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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:28pm On Apr 29, 2015
I think we will need a real DM. I still think Carrick even without injury will be having a diminishing return as he plays in successive games.

We need a DM who has speed and can pass fluently with both legs. Eevn Herrera appears to be weak in his left, this is why Carrick has a huge advantage. Blind is one leg.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:13pm On Apr 29, 2015
SailorXY:
I'll first
release Falcao

sell RvP, Evans, Cleverley & maybe Valencia.

loan - Januzaj, Lingard, Blackett, Thorpe

return - Hernandez, Nani

buy - Laporte, Clyne, Khedira (free), Pogba, Gundogan, Lucozade, Depay.
*I wouldn't reject Bale if a real chance presented

based on last season's form, these bunch will improve the team & squad a lot.
RVP scored 2 and hit the woodwork twice for U-21. he has returned fresh. With Rooney's injury, I think RVP has another chance now. So we have to wait till end of season to assess him.

* You did not arrange your players in a formation.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:03pm On Apr 29, 2015
SailorXY:
Valencia had the chance (& pace) to pressure Hazard, but he stopped for reasons best known to him.

he was also unaware of his surroundings for Everton's last goal, stopped playing on a perceived offside with no whistle sound.

he just can't be first choice RB next season.
Valencia was not in position, he had no way of knowing Smalling would pass into that area where he was not there and he had no way of knowing Falcao would be bullied/fouled so easily. Valencia has no fault there. Hazard was standing with Hererra. Herrera saw all the moves, the intention of Oscar and when Hazard came from behind him.

As for next season, we hear every time so so player will not be a regular, after some time they again become important to the team or even indispensable. There are many mistakes in the team. not just from Val's wing. Valencia did not make these mistakes under SAF when he played the number 2. Next season, the team will play more compact.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:42pm On Apr 29, 2015
AdeLaNa1

Which defenders really have assists. I just saw Blind with just 2.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:38pm On Apr 29, 2015
Carrick: I still prefer a mascherano type of number 4 if such could be find. Carrick would never had been able to track that Hazard run enroute to the goal against us, just like Herrera failed to. Herrera was the only one who saw the move but his pace let him down. I remember Mascherano tracking Robben twice in the world cup.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:36pm On Apr 29, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
I see Elamps is back from vacation. Na Coogar remain.... lipsrsealed lipsrsealed undecided

I've had no problem with Valencia's defending his season. He usually owns dat right wing almost everytime he's on the pitch. My problem is in his creativity and chance creations. Like Kemizee said, the guy is probably fitter than C.Ro. He's probably even the fittest player in all of the EPL. But his contribution in attack is as dull as some pple's brain on this thread. For a full back, he is hardly impressive going forward. The last we got an assist from Valencia was probably back in December when he nutmeged...was it Emre Can(cant remember)...and got an Assist on Rooney's opening goal against Liverpool. We need to see more from him going forward as well as in defence if not we really do need a new RB to replace him
Whoscored credited him with two assists. Although he has played the most time for us behind Rooney, I think he is not so bad considering the way the team is set up. Rafael too doesn't even have a good assists record for us. Remember too, Valencia stays back in the defence during set play, allowing Smalling, Rojo and Jones to join in the attack. That affects a players assists and goals stats.

Any way, until a new defender comes next season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:27pm On Apr 29, 2015
Kemizee:
Yea. Falcao has been off he boil for a long time now.I agree with you as regards the tactical flexibility[b].We just seem to have no plan B for teams that sit tight and park the bus[/b].Also I think Van gaal just wants to get to the finishing line(4th Place).When he purchases more technical players in the summer,we will get to these tactical varieties that we all want because the players will be much more adaptable.
Too early to say. We had some missed chances in the last two matches.

* Let's say you were given 150 million to go to market. Can we see your first eleven?

* I think Nani is good at unlocking a tight defence.


Hope to read you post tomorrow. I am off.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:20pm On Apr 29, 2015
ElFenomeno1:
I thought McNair is top bananas?
Dude got found out against Everton and scummies want him farmed out on loan grin
He is good, but he needs to go on loan. He only appeared to have done well against Chelsea because Drogba is old, then Chelsea players are already tired from a long season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Dadehmola, Chelsea is 20th on interception table. They have the least interception this season. How much do you still really value this interception stat?

Per game
1st. Arsenal 20.5
2nd. Leicester 18.9
3rd Man United 18.3
19th Liverpool 11.9
20th Chelsea 9.7
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:08pm On Apr 29, 2015
* After the Chelsea match, I was the only one among my friends who felt strongly that McNair did not do well. If had I written that here, people would have thought I was making a case for Jones. Drogba had several opportunity to pace away with the ball from McNair but he didn’t have the power to do that because he is old. So what happened was Drogba slowing to try and play with his team mates which made us easily disposes them of the ball.

Martinez was smart, he tried using the space between Shaw and McNair for his counters. McNair has to go on loan.

* Fellaini: I am beginning to think this guy cannot play many successive matches. He is not jumping anymore. I will have to see him against West Brom to ascertain if he is tired. With new signings, he will have to settle for a squad role next season. Play some rest and play some again. I wonder how weak he will be if he had to play a full season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
I see nothing wrong with Valencia other than Gaal dishing him one or two instructions. Right from kick off of the Everton match I saw something wrong. We played a high line defence which is now our pattern, this wasn't the problem however, the problem has to do with playing too few men behind the ball. Also of not being conservative in approach.

First we had a defence playing high. Second, we had the two full backs supporting attacks as usual. The third thing was the unusual, Blind playing like he was an AM thereby leaving only Smalling and McNair exposed. From the Chelsea's game, I knew McNair was a weak link. Before the match I told my friends I had a problem with McNair being in that position. I want to believe that Carrick understood how best to position himself to play behind the ball and somewhat behind opposition attacking midfielders.

Now back to Valencia. If Gaal wants Val to play like a traditional right back staying compact with his other defenders, he can easily dish out this instruction. What we see is Gaal being comfortable with our high line defence. This kind of defence is easily split apart mostly from a counter attack as compared to Chelsea's kind of defence where all four or five players sit deep and play very closely. This where many people think our defenders are not up to standard. Not many players can play in a high defence. Most world class defenders will flop in it. Valencia has done well on the right, even better than those who have played on the left- if defending is just to be used as a yardstick.

I want to believe that Phil Jones ability to drift to the left full back to kill threats have been what has covered all the weaknesses from that angle. McNair doesn't have this skill to go and try intercept or kill potential moves in that wing before they get to danger area. Valencia, however is left to do all by himself, particularly, when Smalling didnt have the liberty to roam due to being paired with a novice. This is where a coach dishes out instructions as matches are going on. Or there has to be a leader at the back who could read the game well like Carrick. In all the six straight matches we won, Valencia has gone out of his position to help. We saw him kill moves high up the pitch. We saw him racing to close down Aguero far away from his position on the left side of our defence.

One thing is, a team learns to play as a unit. This is more true of a defence. The calamity was Shaw, Valencia and Blind moving out at same time. Then we had a baby defender. Valencia also seems to be unaware that he is probably fatigued at this time. His recovering time and concentration will be affected. We were up against two Everton wingers who have had little football this season, hence they came out so fresh. Then we made the mistake of going all out to attack with 8 men. Everton had about three to four players lurking around for a chance to break at our defence.

If a new defender will displace Valencia next season is left to be seen. Whoever is coming will be playing in a high defence. When Rafael played in a similar set up against Burnley at Old Trafford, he was caught out twice from counter attack. We cannot really compare until we have another playing games for us to enable us compare. On the pass accuracy, Valencia is 6th in the entire EPL. The highest in Manchester United. He is the only out and out full back who is in the first 40. The next is Zabaleta who is in number 41. This is how he brings stability to our play. He is hardly disposed and has a very low rate of unsuccessful touch. There are some players that you just give the ball to when it becomes hard to keep.

This season Val has done well. Even under SAF he did well playing in the defence in a long spell for about three seasons. He is even playing behind two small players, unlike the other side we have Young and Fellaini.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by elampiro(m): 12:39pm On Apr 28, 2015
wonlasewonimi:
Bro I understand your plight missing your compatriot in sqwaka and gifs.
I am missing no one. I just want to clear the air about the false stats presented some pages back. Someone was using CC per game to calculate when he could have just pulled out the total.

The reason I came here was to see Chelsea's fans opinion about Hazard. Elsewhere, some said Fabregas is better than Hazard, so I wanted to know if Chelsea fans would show ingratitude to Hazard by picking a wrong person as their hero. If Hazard were an English player, they would say he won the PFA award because he is English. Some were promoting Kane because he packed some impressive stats. This is why I have always said that the professionals who know football don't look at computer stats when they are picking the best player in the league, the very best they play against week in week out.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by elampiro(m):
^^^

Let me not just start an argument here. The above is self explanatory enough.

Log out.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Chelsea Fan Thread: Club World Cup Champions 2025-2029 by elampiro(m):
Nihilist:
You are resorting to lies now.

How did Nani create 93 chances in 10/11?

Haba Small small na?

meanwhile Citeh grin grin grin grin Joe Hart is a pipe


It appears you guys were having difficulty extracting some past stats regarding chances created.

Chances Created:
Nani............TOTAL....LONG...SHORT
2009/2010.......51........8.........43
2010/2011.......78........24.......54...(mins played 2674)
2011/2012.......68........17.......51
2012/2013.......11....... 1.........10
2013/2014.......11........1.........10

Hazard
2012/2013.......65........5.........60
2013/2014.......93........3.........90...(mins played 2898)

* You guys know I don't normally come here. Something prompted me here and then I find this gap in statistics need. Hence my first post on the Chelsea thread.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:59am On Apr 22, 2015
AdeLaNa1:
We should easily win the rest of our games this season tho. Crystal Palace(A) and Arsenal(H) are the only real threats. But we should still easily win them
Let's beat Everton first. It's now the most important match. If we don't win, then nervousness will set in again and the confidence of the team will be affected. So let's go and win at Everton this weekend, every thing else will follow.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:44am On Apr 22, 2015
"Obviously [...] Lionel Messi and Cristiano Ronaldo are very spectacular, but I like Eden Hazard. Everything he does on the field like it. I like his behavior, his decisive side and the fact [that he makes] progress every year. [He] still has a good margin of progression, and [he's the biggest reason] Chelsea are leading the championship."

-Zinedine Zidane
http://weaintgotnohistory.sbnation.com/2015/4/22/8464547/zidane-messi-cristiano-ronaldo-hazard-hands-off-buddy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:42am On Apr 22, 2015
PietroRico:
grin this almost killed me
grin Ukwu!!!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:24am On Apr 22, 2015
Nothing like what you watch yourself. I brought this topic because people always think I dont know what I am saying when some players I rate high are put down based on stats. Not all players are stats friendly. like Hazard. But from the amount of work and contribution, you will know they are great. World class.

My point is. What I see in matches tells me Hazard is better than Silva. He is the best player in the EPL. But people use stats to put him down. Chances created don't support him. Assists don't support him. A similar thing happened when I used to be the only one speaking for Robben in 2013. Not all players are so direct to pack stats. This is happening to Ashley Young this season. Di Maria in the opposite. Young's presence in the team has been more beneficial to the team than Di Maria's. But Di Maria's stats portray him as being more productive than Young and Mata. This is how stat can be misleading in players comparison.

We had an argument earlier in the season where Silva and Fabregas were being promoted over Hazard by many here. These people were holding on to chances created and Assist stats. At the end, Mourinho came out to crown Hazard as not only the best in Chelsea but the best in the EPL. The shorlist of players for PFA player of the year is out and Hazard is there, the only guy in the list from last season. Fabregas and Silva are missing. For the third year, Professional footballers and whoscored put Hazard over Silva. Whoscored has rated Hazard as the best in EPL for about 7 months running now. Yet, I was made to look like I didnt know what I was saying when I argued about Hazard. They said Hazard just dribble aimlessly around the field. Even when I said Hazard plays in a defensive minded team and has a unique role, they wouldnt listen.Professional footballers have spoken again, and again, and again.

This is my last argument on this thread for a long time to come. Going forward, I will just state my opinion and leave.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:21am On Apr 22, 2015
Like Mourinho doesnt also manage Fabregas. grin Stats say Young is shyte. Di Maria deserve a starting place before Mata and Young.

I have made my point. Na u kon know. That was my last argument.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:54pm On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
but we aren't even in may yet, why are you twitching? grin
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We were not in May when we compared Hazard, Silva, Fabregas in CHANCES CREATED earlier in the season. Same thing happened last year at this time when we were comparing Rooney and Mata.

coogar:
where did i say young is the best? i said Young has been the most consistent. he's not had a below average performance since LVG took over in the preseason & that is why he's benching di maria.
Okay, Di Maria is better this season? Noted.

coogar:
di maria has had several highs & many lows. you never know the di maria that would turn up. i can't even reminder the last time he scored a league goal for us.
This doesn't matter when looking at things over a period. Berba packed his stats in a few matches and won golden boot.

coogar:
it matters when it bores down to opinion.
the only reason van persie didn't win the POTY in 12/13 was because of his little drought he had when he injured himself - he went dry for about 6-7 games & it coincided with the period professional players were voting for PFA awards. you have to pick the moment when you shine through & that has been di maria's problem this season..
RVP didnt deserve it. Period. If Suarez weren't suspended, he would have won it followed by Bale. The guys were doing solo runs and dribblings enroute scoring their goals, not just give me chop goals RVP scored.

coogar:
he's yet to make FIFA's team of the week this season. fellaini, herrera, mata, rooney, smalling, carrick & de gea have all made it. i think young has even made it twice this season. di maria failed to click when it mattered most but he was so much productive in the first half of the season.
So you can now talk stories where there are stats? Interesting!

Let's just leave. I think I have made my point on why I brought this topic up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:43pm On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
your football intelligence would actually quadruple when you play these games. the game is as close to real life than BBC sports. FIFA15 & FIFPRO are in partnership so all the details shared are as accurate as it can be.

what happens in the real world get computed into the game. if a player does well for club this week, he gets an upgrade. the game is not static. it moves with the time, even players with outstanding performance do get MOTM upgrades.

so save up, buy a console as advised & you won't have to rely on goal.com to form your opinion. grin
Is it not this stuff that made you put Fabregas and Silva over Hazard? It's misleading you people. You now believe these abstract characters than what you watch. Mourinho confirmed my opinion that Hazard is his best player and the best in the EPL.

I don't need it. That FIFA 15 that over gave Kagawa marks? Now, stats telling us Young has been shyte while we have actually been praising him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Tval:
To play Fifa grin
That's for children.

Moreover, I think that is the problem of many in this thread. That is why there is a mismatch between these guys and I. Most of their arguments are from the experience they get about these players in computer games (FIFA 15, playstations) and statistics. So when we discuss football, there is a conflict between they accepting someone telling about reality and what their observation is of these players in their abstract characters as used in computer games, stats, etc.

This is why I have to finally quit arguing with these guys haven understood they decided never to believe things they saw with their eyes, but the ones created in their imagination by playstation characters and matches.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:16pm On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
this means nothing.....
the bulk of di maria's stats are at the start of the season. he has produced very little in recent times.

read my assessment again
i said di maria started so well but he has tailed off since the burglary incident. young & mata have started off where di maria stopped.
* When has period ever being a factor in your previous argument? Season is between August and May. This has always been our basis for assessment.

* No matter the period you use, I dont even see how Young can be the best this season. Di Maria will still beat him.

* Costa scored his goals very early. Harry Kane is scoring late. At the end, no one would ask what time any one of them scored. Whoever scores the highest is the winner. Your point about Di Maria is nil.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:09pm On Apr 21, 2015
Tval:
Oga Elampiro, get yourself a Playstation console.
What is it used for?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
1. Di Maria 48 chances created in 1565 minutes = 32.6 mins per CC

2. Mata 38 chances created 1901 minutes = 50.02 mins per CC

3. Young 25 chances created in 1649 minutes = 65.96 mins per CC.


Coogar, these are the figures. 'Remember stats are facts'. Are you arguing with stats now? Your so much beloved CC?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:08pm On Apr 21, 2015
Wscholar:
seconded. full of off point arguments....no proper mufc analysis for which the thread is created. smh
Is anyone forbidden from making this proper mufc analysis?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:51pm On Apr 21, 2015
Monaco vice-president Vadim Vasilyev has revealed he met with Manchester United officials on Sunday to discuss Radamel Falcao's situation at Old Trafford and was told the Red Devils have not yet reached a decision on keeping the striker.

Despite all the signs pointing to Manchester United passing on their chance to sign Falcao, Vasilyev says the Red Devils have not yet made up their mind.

The Monaco vice-president said: "I saw Manchester United officials last Sunday and they have not yet decided if they will exercise the option.

"It's not his best season, but they've kept their right to comment at the end of the season.

"We are not in any other negotiations, even though big clubs are interested. It's up to Manchester to decide and then we'll talk with the player to find out what he wants."

[Source: nicematin.com]
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:43pm On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
which stat?
if it's whoscored.com, forget it! they factor all sorts of nonsense in their stats including height & skin colour. ashley young has been the most consistent player this season. in terms of who has the most talent, mata is heads & shoulders above everyone in our squad.

di maria has regressed badly since december.
So Coogar can tell stories? The kind of description of players abilities you have refused to listen to all the while. Have you forgotten you major stats? Chances created.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:45pm On Apr 21, 2015
Smalling gets a new contract. Till 2019.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:39pm On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
mata is the best player in our squad. young has been the best performer this season. di maria started so well but tailed off since his house got broken into.
You are a hypocrite. Stats say otherwise. The same stat you used to put Silva over Hazard says Di Maria is the best among the three. Young is the worst this season.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:29am On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
your question makes no sense.
arrange these players in terms of what? strength? speed? aerial ability or what?

are you a villager?
Pay attention to details. See my original post. Players comparison this season in terms of performance.

elampiro:
Who is talking about power. I am talking about how stats can be misleading.
QUESTION? Arrange the following player according to best, better and good based on this season. Who has performed most?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:22am On Apr 21, 2015
coogar:
pushing who?
who did you push? after lying to us balance is what makes robben the most powerful player in the world.



sprint speed is pace. pace is not power!
that's my problem with you. you still haven't learnt the difference between pace & power.



pace is not power!
are you a bush man? what has robben's 300mph gotta do with power?




they are not in the same region.
messi leads robben considerably. it's a land slide victory.



have i ever needed anyone's help to destroy you here? my thumb alone is too much for you, never mind calling another poster. i remain the undefeated spartan in this section.



elampiro, you are a dullard. pace is not power.



there's no little plus here. messi & ronaldo are miles powerful than robben.

robben - 663
ronaldo - 693

30 massive points and you are saying plus or minus?



you are a dullard!
you should compare 2 professional football players, not a professor and an athlete. is that how to do analogy?



valencia did not play as a defender.
he was rated as a striker. the software program of FIFA15 was written before october last year. that was long before LVG started using valencia as a defender. his card says RM, not RB.



never thought i would see the day elampawa would agree azpili is more powerful than jones. just because you want to defend a non-existing concept? hahahaha - i shall bookmark this.



we are talking football power, not fighting power. don't digress! football power is different from fighting power.



akinfenwa is the strongest player in the world. he was officially named by FIFA. strongest is quite different from powerful. don't distort the fact!



they are the most important.



akinfenwa is the strongest player on FIFA.
Good night. Till tomorrow, But know that there can be no pace without power.

The more the energy the more the pace. When you see someone running at a great pace, you just know he is being propelled by power. This is why FIFA put speed sprint and acceleration as physical attributes. Two separate physical attributes relating to speed. This should tell you, among other attributes, how much importance speed is to rating a player's football power.

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