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I think many guys here did not play real football- competitive football. That's why they base their argument on abstracts, how they think it should be. Where as it's not like that at all. When you have played competitive football over a reasonable years, you get to know different qualities and components of players who come and go in the teams you have trained and played for, the opponents, etc. You will be surprised to see an 'achinia' (a thin) player who does push ups, frog jumps, many energetic stuff higher and faster than another team mates who looks herculean. These things usually reflect in the sprints, agility, balance of players, etc.

You will be surprised to see a muscle player who is lazy in virtually everything on the football field. Size and physique has nothing to do with power in the football field.

Look at Ramires physical stats, he has power more than Rooney and Jones. So when we say pace and power, we are looking at a player like Sanchez, Ramires before a player like Rooney. I remember how much I used Oshoala to describe. Pace power doesnt mean absence of skills, like Oshoala who has everything going for her. ....CR7 is another king of pace and power.

I have made my point far enough since three days ago.

* Balance: The ability to maintain balance after a physical challenge. - FIFA definition.

elampiro:

* See Physical according to FIFA 15.
Robben
Physical
91 Balance

Yaya Toure
Physical
59 Balance

Wayne Rooney
Physical
77 Balance

Sanchez
Physical
86 Balance

Jones
Physical
58 Balance

elampiro:
Adebayo Akinfenwa
Physical
70 Balance

Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagayo Did I not say Robben has the most power among footballers? And I said Sanchez is probably the next person that comes close in the EPL. Now we know who really knows football. Yori Yori.

Adebayo Akinfenwa
Physical
45 Acceleration
41 Agility
70 Balance
57 Jumping
59 Reactions
54 Sprint Speed
59 Stamina
97 Strength

My own na be say. Make we finish top 4. Preferably 3rd.

Van Gaal's substitutions were shocking.

liveLongNprospa:
Is it not the same FIFA that rates messi higher than CR7 even though one has been the best player in d world twice in a role

Dont mind him. He has even shot himself in the leg. He has ended the argument conclusively and completely in my favour.

lekkie073:
this should end the argument about robben's pawa.......

The guy didnt even know what he posted. He picked items from skills and he left out bulk of the stats under 'PHYSICAL' as defined in FIFA 15.

homesteady:
Yaya toure's power in FIFA 15
-- Shot power 86
— Jumping 79
— Stamina 93
— Strength 92
— Long Shots 84

Robben's power in FIFA 15
-- Shot power 86
— Jumping 61
— Stamina 78
— Strength 65
— Long Shots 90

Don't start what you cannot finish. Now let me beat you to your game.

* Shot power is under skills not physical.
* Long shot is under skills.

* See Physical according to FIFA 15.
Robben
Physical
93 Acceleration
93 Agility
91 Balance
61 Jumping
89 Reactions
93 Sprint Speed
78 Stamina
65 Strength

Yaya Toure
Physical
73 Acceleration
64 Agility
59 Balance
79 Jumping
85 Reactions
78 Sprint Speed
93 Stamina
92 Strength

Wayne Rooney
Physical
74 Acceleration
77 Agility
77 Balance
80 Jumping
84 Reactions
77 Sprint Speed
89 Stamina
85 Strength

Sanchez
Physical
90 Acceleration
91 Agility
86 Balance
66 Jumping
81 Reactions
86 Sprint Speed
76 Stamina
59 Strength

Jones
Physical
63 Acceleration
43 Agility
58 Balance
84 Jumping
79 Reactions
68 Sprint Speed
79 Stamina
78 Strength

homesteady:
even in physics, speed does not equate to power!! Soo your Olympic sprint point is rubbish! \

If I equated speed to power, I would have said Di Maria has power. That Rooney has power. That Welbeck has power. That Write Phillip has power. That Sterling has power.

If I equated speed to power, I would have also said Pacquiao has no power. That Undertaker, Jackie Chan and Shawn Michaels have no powers. Ukwu!!!

homesteady:
You are so bad in your English and Physics! were you always sleeping in class?

I guess you know English more than those who went to best schools in UK and are sports journalists and commentators.

Good night. We can always continue tomorrow (later today). Bye!

homesteady:
Did that your commentator friend also tell you this?

Besides we watch both of them every week, who always get praised for having a good workrate?

Power is not all about work rate. There are components. Sanchez is yet to record the speed of Robben- Olympic sprint speed.

homesteady:
Are you contradicting the dictionary meaning?

Physical strength and force exerted by
something or someone:
‘the power of the storm’
figurative ‘the lyrical power of his prose ’
MORE EXAMPLE SENTENCES
SYNONYMS
strength , powerfulness , might , force ,
forcefulness , mightiness , weight, vigour,
energy , intensity , potency ;
brawn , brawniness, muscle

.....................................................

The bolded are what I have been saying since. Apply these to game of football where movement is involved. If it were weight lifting, Shittu and Distin would have passed.

Vigor: effort, energy, and enthusiasm.












Yori Yori. Good night!

homesteady:
UkWU!
that means Robben can even better Sanchez work rate? Nigga please!

We saw them in the world cup. Robben, a striker, had the highest work rate at the world cup. He was the reason 3-5-2 worked. He was three players.

SetrakusRa:
Imagine... By that logic, Di Maria, Bale, Jordi Alba are all powerful players...

Bale has power na. Jordi has power even if I dont watch him often.

homesteady:
let me help you sef!




Footballers are not engines, so I'll stick to the 1st definition! If you and your commentator friend have a contrary opinion, go and meet Queen of England!
I rest my case!

You haven't said anything new.

You obviously know English more than the commentators and sports writers who say these guys apply power to out pace their markers.

homesteady:
Is Robben even forceful in movement?
is he as energetic as Sanchez?

This is where it takes a professional to see things. Without Robben's force and energy he wont be different from Robinho or something like that. Robben is more energetic than Sanchez.

PFA Player of the Year nominees: Costa, Coutinho, De Gea, Hazard, Kane, Sánchez

• Coutinho, De Gea, Hazard and Kane also on shortlist for PFA Young Player

Chelsea's Eden Hazard has been nominated for both the PFA Players’ Player of the Year and Young Player of the Year awards.
Thursday 16 April 2015 17.21

Diego Costa, Philippe Coutinho, David De Gea, Eden Hazard, Harry Kane and Alexis Sánchez are the six players nominated for this year’s Professional Footballers’ Association’s Players’ Player of the Year award.

Coutinho, De Gea, Hazard and Kane are also on the shortlist for the Young Player of the Year award, where they are joined by Thibaut Courtois and Raheem Sterling.

Hazard is the only nominee from last year to make the shortlist for the senior award, which was won by Luis Suárez, while the Chelsea forward won the youth award.

Eniola Aluko, Lucy Bronze, Karen Carney, Jess Clarke, Kelly Smith and Ji So-Yun are the nominees for the women’s award, while Freda Ayisi, Hannah Blundell, Aoife Mannion, Nikita Parris, Amy Turner and England Under 19s penalty hero Leah Williamson make the shortlist for the youth award.

The list was voted for by players from 100 clubs from the Premier League, Football League and Women’s Super League.
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/apr/16/pfa-player-year-award-shortlist-costa-hazard-de-gea-kane-sanchez

homesteady:

I ask you and you guys, why is Robben being referred to consistently as a player with pace and power? Same with fragile looking players like oshoala, Neymar. Ronaldo of course.

homesteady:
have you heard of Synonyms? check it up, then you'll see strong is a synonym for power!

Synonyms don't always mean same thing. You can have a strong wall built around your house, and you are referring to solid. You can't say you have a powerful wall.

Strong in reference to a footballer = Physically built.
Powerful in reference to a footballer = Energetically, forcefully in movement.

SetrakusRa:
Who's arguing with you that physical built determines power? You don't know football, you don't know your dictionary.

Arjen Robben is not a powerful player!! QED. If you like quote me with a textbook size epistle, it doesn't make any sense!

You are entitled to your screwed up opinion.

The sports writers and match commentators and those of us who know ball, are aware of the truth. Robben is powerful. He applies his power to beat players with pace.

homesteady:
Na wa for you oh! You've just been spamming this thread with this point! is anybody arguing with you about it?

Who doesn't know that size does not necessarily determine your power?

Now you are talking. And I guess you know Robben, Valencia and Ronaldo can record the speed of an Olympic sprinter. That's the power we are talking about. Sprinting is done with some much power, so much energy and so much force. According to report, these guys do it on the field while ball watching while Sprinters do it on the track with sole purpose of setting a record time.


I rest my case.

I keep seeing where they mention Robben, Ronaldo as some of the footballers with best power and pace.

The only place Wayanma gets mentioned is strongest footballers. Under the strongest footballer I saw Ibrhimovic, Lukaku and many kick boxing looking players.


May be you people are talking about strong men, like Booker T, Mark Henry. This is not weight lifting. ..... Power in football has to do with applying force and energy when you move. I dont see how Robben, Valencia and Ronaldo with speed of Olympic stars would not be said to be powerful. Haba!

SetrakusRa:
This Elamps "power" argument is really annoying. How can Robben be more powerful than Valencia, Arguero, Wayama etc... This' fvcking ridiculous.

Pls, ignore his ignorance. Let's talk tactics.

You think otherwise because you dont know ball. You dont even understand power. As yourself, how can Pacquiao as small as Juan Mata be a world boxing champion?

Do you know how small Jackie is? Do you know what he can lift? Akinfenwa wont lift half what Rey Mysterio or Shawn Michael can lift. Forget forced muscle. Like Welbeck who was bulked up under one year.

At the same time, he has also been an ever-present member in the Netherlands team all these years, with his pace, power and directness a big component of their attacking repertoire.



I keep seeing more and more articles talking about his power. Same as CR7.


Na people like una go see Pacquiao una go say Akinfemwa go kill am. Power is not about physical built. Heavy muscles is not a reflection of what physical strength, force and energy that resides in a person. Chikena.

He has power and skill, he works hard, he scores goals, he sets them up and in this World Cup he has been completely committed to the Oranje cause, a real team player.

His athleticism and power allows him to beat players with pace, but his technical ability gives him the capacity to make space through a drop of the shoulder or a flick of the ball. And his versatility means he is capable of playing on either the right or the left, or coming through the centre from wide areas to link up with Robin van Persie.


Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/fifa-world-cup-2014/world-cup-news-2014/arjen-robben-world-cup-magic-overshadowed-by-diving-reputation-20140708-zszh1.html#ixzz3XVmFkdUI



You guys still can't get it? Na wao! Power used here twice. It's his first attribute. This article was not written by me.

[quote author=lekkie073 post=32802046][/quote]You are an Ekwe Sample.

Many writers and commentators have described Robben as playing with power.

homesteady:
This your explanation of power only exits in physics classes!
In normal terms, power means your physical strength, and I'm sure everyone here is using this same definition except you!

What do you understand when a commentator said Robben has pace and power? Same as Oshoala, Neymar and Ramires?

We are discussing football, not weight lifting.

My people, please when they say playing with pace and power in football, it's not about people like Distin, Akinfenwa, Pepe, Shittu, etc. These are just physically built.

That term has been used for Neymar, Oshoala, Ramires.

Mascherano has power but no pace. Puyol has power but no pace.

Fletcher and Herrera have tenacity.

lekkie073:
bumkum

I meant low energy for Di Maria. lol

Leyqute:
elamps baba na wa o. If Robben clashes with Distin you think he'll remain sstanding after the clash. Robben only has tenacity and pace, not power. You've been muttering power all these while and one'll think you know a lot about it

Distin has no power as Robben. Robben will finish 100m while Distin will be in the 70m mark.

Pacquiao the boxing champion, do you know how many thick guys he has beaten? He is as small as Juan Mata.

If The Undertaker hits Khali, Undertaker will fall. But Khali is just big and thick, no natural power. So when they go to fight, Undertaker sustained energy sees him beat Khali, Kane, Mark Henry, big show etc. He even lift them up like they were babies.

lekkie073:
everything u have typed above relates to speed and skill.....nothing like power there....a beg e don do......

What I have typed is about sustained speed and energy. Power.



A man with low energy, but a bit higher speed (D Maria) would not finish 100 meter race ahead of another with a bit lower speed but high energy (Oxlaide)

Leyqute:
I taya o. If Smalling hits him once, he'll stagger and fall down in seconds!

It's not about built or being a world strongest man like Mark Henry. Smalling hit Balotelli and he fell.

homesteady:
physical force or strength. ----- definition of power!
So where is Elampiro getting his definition from?

Having speed is different from having power, this is not physics biko!

Oxford dictionary talks about energy. When you say force, I could agree too. I know Messi, Ronaldo, Neymar, Robben and Ribery all have force.

Suarez has pace but he is not so powerful or forceful.

In confederation cup, they spoke about Neymar's pace and power.