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Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:39pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
You just type the first thing that comes to your mind, irrespective of its relevance to the post you're quoting. Did you answer my question?
You are now confused.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:23pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Hahahaha, You have a spiritual director who is not a parish priest, One who support these lies of yours, and does not use the name of Pope Francis at mass. hahahaha I laugh again. Lies Lies Lies.
You are the liar because you defend falsity. Were you not the ones defending the document proposing welcoming gays and cohabitation? And communion for the divorce. So if the church teaches falsity you welcome it. A chronic liar like you.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Please stop disgracing yourself. What is the church teaching on homosexuality? Quote me the Church teaching on homosexuality or link to it.

You are disgracing yourself. Dont you have a bible or the teaching you want to quote? I have told you what the church teaching is. If you have anything else quote it and let's debate it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:16pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
"God is not afraid of new things. That is why he is continually surprising us, opening our hearts and guiding us in unexpected ways,"

Is this a lie? Is it not true of "no need for circumcision for gentiles", Sunday as the Lord's day, etc. Is God afraid of new things?
God is the same yesterday, today and forever. His teachings are timeless and ageless.

The world 'afraid', should not be used in association with God.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:14pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Are you a bishop? Even though you lie, but Just listen to your parish Priest, Pope Francis is not your chaplain. Look at your accusation...he wants to change...Smh.
You are the liar because you defend lies and outright falsity.

Pope Francis has already invited criticism by his calling bishops and priests not to preach against homosexuality and abortion.

* Parish priest? lol. You don't know anything. I have a spiritual director. Also I read what many Cardinals write and say. I have read many lives of saints and so much of church history.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:07pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Elampiro. What is the Church teaching on homosexuality? My interest is to expose lies and let the truth be known.
The church teaching that homosexuality is a disorder. grin The church condemns homosexuality (gay act). You cannot know more than Cardinal Burke- the custodian of church teachings.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:03pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Pope francis said...., somebody said pope francis said...all grapevine news and hear say. I gave Pope francis Speech at the close of the synod, authentic, official. yet you refuse to see anything there...too blinded to see i fear....but you hold on to he said in one interview, and he said in a telephone conversation....you're long gone.
You want to tell us again that Pope Francis did not grant that interview. I always defend. Last year you were reinterpreting his interviews published even in Vatican website. I thought the Pope words ought to stand on their own. lol

Last Sunday he said 'God is not afraid of new things'. cheesy Are you going to deny this?

Any way let me leave you jor. Next time don't defend falsity. Thanks God for our brave Cardinals.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:55pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Your lies are becoming embarrassing.
You should know that was John Paul II.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:54pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Hahahaha, now he is shifting to the general synod. He has lost all sense of decency to know that the Holy Spirit that ensured the church is marching on mid way, will see it to the end. Oh man of no faith. Now he is claiming synod rule which he cannot prove. Lies Lies Lies.

This is why I said you are an illiterate. Pope Francis said in an interview just before the Synod that the world should not expect any changes in this Synod. That this was an initial push (for his agenda).
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:52pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
bla bla bla... What is the Church teaching on homosexuality?
The church is against homosexuality. The bible is against homosexuality. I don't know which church you attend. Are you an homo? What is you interest in this? grin
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:50pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
I maintain, I will not join you in your ignominious past time.
You have nothing to say.

Pope JP 2 ruled for 25 years, I did not hear any controversial issue on morals. Benedict did not set Cardinals against Cardinals in his 7 years rule, he always clarified any prior ambiguity. Francis has only ruled for 18 months and he is already on record to be the worst Pope in the church's history.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:46pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
At this point I will ask you to quote the Church teaching on homosexuality.
The church did not say people can join the church and keep practicing their gayism. The Cardinals reiterated this, and even Cardinal Burke the head of Canon Law court, said what those manipulating the Synod (Francis, Kasper and cohort) prop0sed are against the church teachings.


Use your brain man. If the church teaching welcomed gay act, why is their a Synod to re welcome it? Mr. Man, the church is against homosexual acts 100%.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:42pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Lies Lies Lies. "As was foretold" false prophets...I said they'll drive you crazy. The synod has ended, the church still standing by her teachings. Shame on MDM and her followers. There isn't anything else to hold on to except lies.

Are you an illiterate? The Synod has not ended. The midterm Synod ended, there will be a larger Synod (ordinary Synod) next year where the Issue of homosexuality, communion for the divorce and cohabitation will be finalized as instructed by Bergoglio. According to Synod rule, the three controversial issues which did not pass super majority ought to have being deleted and the Pope issued his defence on them, but Pope Francis vetoed them into next year Synod. Now the liberals are already boasting for a revolution.

It's a shame to Bergoglio. He is dragging the church in the mud in matters the scripture is clear about.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:34pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
I refrain from joining you in analyzing Popes the way you're going, so I'll rather leave you to your ignorance...or outright lie.
Pope Benedict issued a clear statement defending the church teaching on homosexuality.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:32pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Any person reading this will see how obsessed you've become with condemning Pope francis, this is the effect of your sedes vacantism and MDM worship. Times without number i have given you example with peter in scriptures, but you seem to need his head on a pallet you herodias. Listen to the church!
I can never listen to any Pope (Francis) telling the bishops to stop preaching about homosexuality and abortion. I can't listen to a Pope who clearly wants to change the teachings of the church. I can't listen to a Pope who refused to condemn sin.

Pope Francis in his 18 months rule has never condemned homosexuality. Instead he clearly wants to change the church teaching on it.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:29pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Pharisee! Tell me the truth outside Jesus statement to zachaeus Lk 19:5, tell me the truth outside His statement at those who wanted to stone the woman caught in adultery Jn 8:7, tell me the truth outside He who "eats with sinners and tax collectors" Mk 2:15, and I will tell you how deep in falsehood you swim.

Its about people like you the Pope wrote about those who want "...also to transform the bread into a stone and cast it against the sinners, the weak, and the sick (cf Jn 8:7), that is, to transform it into unbearable burdens (Lk 11:46)".

Poor you.
Did you ever read that Jesus told the adulterous woman to go and sin no more?

Jesus converted the sinners. He didn't accept people living in sinful lifestyle to continue living in sinful lifestyle. Jesus did not condone such.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:26pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
If the Galatians were to behave like you, they will call Peter anti-Christ, for Paul their evangelist, had confronted Peter (Gal 2:11-14). And Paul was right while Peter wasn't right. But they listened to the Church, and the truth set them free, they were not in the bondage that you've put yourself by listening to false prophets and not the church.
Peter always stood on tradition.

Bergoglio 'Who am I to judge' is fighting against the church teachings and tradition. He is dismantling the church as was foretold.

Peter and Paul rebuked sin, Bergoglio told bishops and priests not to preach about sins- abortion and homosexuality.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:23pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Yesoooo, Only the truth will set one free. The truth as revealed by God via His church, "the pillar and foundation of truth", not any false prophet like the one you follow.
You have denied the bible teachings many times. You guys were here defending the controversial mid term report until I arrived here. Even when other posters were correcting you people, you were blindly defending it just because it came from Vatican. When the Cardinals stood by the truth of the scripture, you guys shut your mouths.

As for MDM, I leave you to your discernment. Jesus told us not to defend the messages. That His messages should stand on their own.

Even your locution have told you that the Church of Pope Francis will not be ready for the next world events and the church will not be formed in accordance to the Woman clothed with the Sun. Many other prophets have said same things and the fulfillment is what we witness today.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:16pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
"Taboos fell at the Synod; long forbidden topics were brought up such as Communion for the divorced and remarried, celibacy and the priest shortage. Frank discussions followed. The pope himself seemed uncertain of his point of view. "None of us has a ready-made solution, because each person’s situation is different,” the pope said. “I would say that a particularly painful situation is that of those who were married in the church, but were not really believers and did so just for tradition, and then finding themselves in a new, invalid marriage, they convert, find the faith and feel excluded from the sacrament,” he said. "In response to concerns from some bishops that a section from the first draft of the message concerning divorced and civilly remarried Catholics was potentially ambiguous on the church’s teaching on marriage, the language has been revised in several places."
The Vatican official said that given the ambiguity of the concept of "homosexuality," meaning the difficulty of providing a precise definition of the term, an "absolute policy" is impossible
.

Do you know that the Pope mentioned here by this reporter John Allen, is the emeritus Pope Benedict XVI ? And that the synod in question is the synod of 2005 on the Eucharist? Not everything started with Pope Francis as MDM wants you to believe.
This was another Synod I followed. Everything went well and Pope Benedict did not equivocate. He didn't at any point left anyone in doubt as to his stance on church teachings. He defended the church teachings. Whenever clarification was sought as to any statement he made, he clarified. Cardinals were at home with him.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Cardinal kersper is not the church, he is not even the Pope. He has a right to his opinion, for even in seeking to do good, one may be wrong, I cannot judge his intention. But I trust God to raise up those who will speak the truth. Is it strange for you now that the devil is found where the children of God are gathered? I thought I had told you to read scriptures. It happened in Job and in the Gospels too.
Kapser told us his proposal was instigated buy Pope Francis. Pope Francis also applauded Kapser's speech proposing communion for the divorce. Francis described it as one of best form of Theology. In another interview, Pope Francis admitted being on the side of the liberals calling for reforms (change in doctrines) while stating his opposition with the traditionalists.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:03pm On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Elampiro, do read the Pope's speech at the end of the synod here.

http://en.radiovaticana.va/news/2014/10/18/pope_francis_speech_at_the_conclusion_of_the_synod/1108944

Do not castigate any man by hear say and rumors...yeah, and false prophesy.
I have read this before. It is empty.

The gospel is clear. It's not about striking compromise between truth and falsity. A true Pope defends the truth.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:59am On Oct 23, 2014
It's the Synod making people not to trust the church. People lost trust in the church via the Synod- CNN, Yahoo, BBC, etc all showed to billions of people what Pope Francis, Kasper and cohort were doing.

I have never even seen MDM on NTA Gbagada not to mention NTA International.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:47am On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Are you not the one talking about the "smoke of satan"? How come you don't know the source of that phrase. Both came from same place. However I will oblige you.

http://translate.google.com.ng/translate?hl=en&sl=it&u=http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/paul_vi/homilies/1972/documents/hf_p-vi_hom_19720629_it.html&prev=/search%3Fq%3D%2522Non%2Bci%2Bsi%2Bfida%2Bpi%25C3%25B9%2Bdella%2BChiesa%253B%2Bci%2Bsi%2Bfida%2Bdel%2Bprimo%2Bprofeta%2Bprofano%2Bche%2Bviene%2Ba%2Bparlarci%2Bda%2Bqualche%2Bgiornale%2Bo%2Bda%2Bqualche%2Bmoto%2Bsociale%2Bper%2Brincorrerlo%2Be%2Bchiedere%2Ba%2Blui%2Bse%2Bha%2Bla%2Bformula%2Bdella%2Bvera%2Bvita%2522.%26lr%3Dlang_en%26sa%3DX%26biw%3D1366%26bih%3D653%26tbs%3Dlr:lang_1en
I can't open the link. May be I will try from other device.

* Is it about Akita? Akita is approved under the watchful eyes of Cardinal Ratziger whose office had the authority to guide the local bishop.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:44am On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
I don't listen to "good" cardinals, for our Lord says no one is "good". Lk 18:19. I listen to the church for Christ has promised to be with her till the end of days-- Matt 28:20. And she is the pillar and foundation of truth---1Tim 3:15. Do not forget that it is through the church that the hidden wisdom of God is revealed, yeah, even "to the rulers and authorities in the heavenly realms". Eph 3:10
The choice is yours whether to listen to christian basic truth or falsity.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:42am On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
Lie! Where did the synod propose this and what teaching are you talking about? You had already lost your faith before the synod, you and your MDM champion. Why do you now lie against the synod?
....... And the Cardinals who have been trying to defend Pope Francis controversial interviews now confronting him after the Synod. It's the Synod. People lost trust in the church via the Synod- CNN, Yahoo, etc. Where we never saw MDM.

Listen to Bishops and Priests all around he world since the Synod.

Blame it on MDM.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m):
Syncan, have you paid attention to Cardinal Kasper? The man Pope Francis has chosen to drive his agenda? Did you listen to his address to open the February Consitory in preparation for the Synod and he got applauded by Pope Francis? Did you listen to his pre-Synod interviews, particularly how Pope Francis backed his proposals for change in church teachings? Did you listen to his interviews during the last Synod and his remark about African bishops and the African church? He basically was telling African bishops and church they can 'go away' if they can't take their (Kasper and cohort) proposals. When he got heavily criticized, he denied giving the interview. Then the Zenit staff who interviewed him published the audio to the shame of Walter Kasper.

Have you dug to the past of this Cardinal Walter Kasper and his theology? This man is more of an atheist. If you haven't all these materials, I can publish them for your enlightenment.

No wonder your llocution told you some will be guided by hell in the Synod.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:55am On Oct 23, 2014
Syncan:
"Many are not trusting the Church any longer; people trust the first profane prophet who comes to talk to us from some NEWSPAPER or from some REVOLUTIONARY SOCIAL MOVEMENT so that we may run after him to ask him if he has the formula (the answer) to true life"---Pope Paul VI


Prophetic words...Elampiro take note.
Link pls? It will be nice to read the entire story and the prophet being referred to.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:52am On Oct 23, 2014
Fact: This Synod has been what makes the people not to trust the church. The Synod proposed teachings contradicting Jesus' gospel.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:47am On Oct 23, 2014
^^
If you cannot listen to prophecies, listen to the good Cardinals. They are teaching you the true faith according to doctrines, tradition and canon law.

You have to reject lies and falsity.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 7:19am On Oct 23, 2014
beryl04:
At this juncture I'll tell u to shove ur moral rectitude !
The catholic church going by her history and antecedents does not posses the prerequisites for morality ,let alone d rights to set one.

The bible also teaches that slavery is right,how's that for a moral code?


What we see here is a battle of the mythological vs the reality....open society with equality for all or theocratic repression and control...now which is of the devil.the daiblo,the mefistolesehuh
The Catholic church has never taught me to enslave people. In all the catholic classes I have attended, catholics books I have read, the teachings, I have never be taught anything else but good, love of neighbor, social justice. Above all the call to holiness and sacrifice. The Catholic church have been a great light to the world. Built missionary schools, worked with the poor, sick ad oppressed, raised great leaders almost free of charge. We have great saints as Mother Theresa, Pope John Paul II, St Vincent De Paul, St Miximilian who offered to die in place of a prisoner who had a family to cater for, because he himself had nothing to lose by dying.

In a nutshell, the church has taught me only good. Good also involve telling people the truth of the gospel for the sake of the eternal destination of their souls. This is true charity. Anyone who tells people they have to adopt a sinful life and still be christians is uncharitable to the good of souls. God doesn't want us to choose, adopt and then live a sinful life. Christianity is a decision, Jesus told the adulterous woman to go sin no more. If by mistake or out of temptation a christian falls into a sin, he becomes sober and immediately be remorseful. You see regret. Then he seeks confession with sincere intention never to sin again. So, on can never fight for sinful course and remain a christian. One can not fight for the right of immorality like pedo.phile, homo, adultery, fornication, etc and still boast to be a christian. These are things if you fall into you have to be ashamed before God and man.


I think I have said enough. At the end everyone has a soul and a choice.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:45pm On Oct 22, 2014
beryl04:
At d end of d day,we need to remember that it is d same catholic church that forced Galileo to recant on scientific facts under threat of death that we're talking about!

It took the catholic church 500 yrs to agree that d earth revolves round the sun people,so no one is surprised here.
How is this a moral issue or a doctrine?

The bible is clear on marriage.
Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:43pm On Oct 22, 2014
beryl04:
Oh I think "the Devil" (if you believe there is one) has been running rampant through those gilded halls of d Vatican, for...well...ever. He'd certainly approve of covering up pedophelia, a crooked Vatican bank laundering money and the
hierarchy using Holy Communion as a weapon against people. Too much stomach-churning hypocrisy especially with so many gay seminarians, deacons, priests, Bishops and - oh yes - Cardinals there spouting this hateful, anti-gay BS.

Codename: Lavender mafia. It exists and has done for many years. No, they're most certainly not all gay and absolutely only a fraction of gay clergy are pedophiles.....it's "straight" clergy as well and people should stop equating the two.....it's just not the case.

Francis wants a kinder, gentler more welcoming Church but he'll be fought every step of the way.
If you said all these evil already exist among some members of the church hierarchy, why do we have to increase the evil by approving gay? Mind you, the church did not approve of any of these evils you mentioned. So there are no group of people calling themselves pedophiles, looters, fornicators, and forcing the church to accept their sinful lifestyle. This is a part of the difference.

In any case, most of these atrocities were perpetuated by mostly priests promoting liberal views in order to rubbish the church and push their agenda.

We know their plans.

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