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 European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:22am On Oct 25, 2014*. Modified: 10:42am On Oct 25, 2014 |
SailorXY:* I like the possession part. We are already being a possessive side and it's best to keep playing that way to be excellent at it. However, to beat Chelsea as a possessive side, you have to be above average in doing that. You have to be able to maintain possession as Barca does or they way City does with a mixture of ruggedity. The teams that cause Chelsea problem in EPL are usually teams that play with power, like Palace, Wigan those days. * Having said the above, I am not ruling out a chance for us. With our quality we can win. If RVP and Mata adjusted their games, we could win. JS Park and Fletcher used to be a big game players even though they might not shine in small games. Oshea was an average player for us, but his extra work made him look like a big player in tough days he was called. * Shoud we come out from our next two games undefeated (against Chelsea and Ciy) the rest of the teams will begin to fear us. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:14pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
beryl04:Thanks bro. But he started it. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:29pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan: Yet this man called me a liar. Syncan come and see your shame. You have been found out. Here you implied a Pope cannot be heretic because his name is used in a Mass. Later, you denied saying a Pope cannot be heretic. I brought out the church law that a Pope can be a heretic, then you change your stand. Now I burst your lies upon lies. Hahahaha. You were trying to put words into my mouth in your above quote and you ended up committing yourself ahead of a future argument.  * I reiterate to you that the fact that a Pope's or Bishop's name is used in a Mass doesn't mean he is a good Pope or Bishop and he cannot be criticized. I ask you again, Syncan were you born to lie? Yet you say you are a good catholic. You are a disgrace. You are a catholic who looks for laws that appears to favour your sexual escapade.  |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:08pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:Lol. It's taking a Pope 18 months to condemn homosexuality? You did not read that Jesus said if your hand causes you to sin you cut it out? This is weekend, so we have plenty of time now for this debate. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:59pm On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:When someone resort to attacking the person instead of the subject it shows he has lost all sense of logic and has admitted defeat. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:10am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:You have lost it man. Shame on you for trying to change your position. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:08am On Oct 24, 2014*. Modified: 10:25am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:The bible told us a time when the False Prophet, the second beast of revelation, will rule from the church. So you can't say you run no risk when you can sense the spirit of confusion starting. This is why Jesus had to warn us ahead because it will be too late when the wicked deceit has been whipped on the 'naive minds'. You could see from the first page of this thread that some Catholics brethren were defending that evil midterm document. That's blind obedience to the Vatican. At this point, I will say I want to leave everyone to discern based on events starting and what is to come. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:57am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:So what have you been saying since? So now you want to admit that there could be a false Pope that will lead many faithful astray? Is this not what I told you the bible said and I gave your verses, yet you wound't agree? Arguing with you is waste of time because you are not steady. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:50am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:LOL. You are redefining my questions. You have lost it completely. Shame on you. It's your choice to defend gospel truth or falsity. We all have souls that will have to answer to God in accordance to His commandments. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:44am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:Are you now speaking for the readers? What is a lie in what is written in black and white? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:39am On Oct 24, 2014 |
How could it happen that a validly-elected Pope could become the false prophet (an invalid pope or an anti-pope)? Pope Paul IV’s Papal Bull Cum ex Apostolatus Officio teaches that if anyone was a heretic before the Papal election, he could not be a valid Pope, even if he is (validly) elected unanimously by the Cardinals. As well, Canon 188.4 (1917 Code of Canon Law) states that if a cleric (pope, bishop, etc.) becomes a heretic, he loses his office, without any declaration, by operation of law. St. Robert Bellarmine, St. Antonius, St. Francis de Sales, St. Alphonsus Liguori, and many other theologians all taught that a heretic cannot be a valid pope. “If however, God were to permit a pope to become a notoriously and contumacious heretic, he would by such fact cease to be pope, and the apostolic chair would be vacant.” St. Alphonsus Liguori, Church Doctor ........................... And the ITK Syncan told us lies that it is not possible for a Pope to be heretic. That whatever a Pope says is scripture even if it deviates from bible. Syncan appalling appetite to defend Pope has made him to be blinded to the basic gospel truth. Syncan telling lies since time immemorial. Sycan, are you a born liar? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:26am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan: Your likes thought so about Fatima children and Divine Mercy which Vatican banned and later realized they made a grave mistake The False Prophet the bible said will cause the most wicked deceit is the one that will take over the church as stated in Mathew 24 and other scripture passages. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:23am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:I dismantled you position everywhere. Your position is nothing but defence of Pope Francis who is dismantling the Catholic church layer by layer. The whole world know him for the Pope who wants to change the church teachings. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:20am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:Number 2 as explained by the CCC said it's a disorder. But Francis said it's not a problem. The church is talking about treating the tendencies, but Bergoglio is saying it's fine. You are yet to answer why Pope Francis open a Synod to try and change the number 1. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 9:09am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:You are blinded by blind obedience to anything from the Vatican. Syncan:You avoided the questions because you know the answers will expose your falsity and Pope Francis desire to change the church teachings on communion for the divorce, cohabitation and homosexuality. Syncan:The Pope did not address the confusion of the Synod. He allowed the the confusion and bad proposals to be carried on for a year unto next next Synod even though they were voted down. Did he not suppose to clarify and defend the faith as well as deleting the immoral issues. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:59am On Oct 24, 2014 |
NCR’s Allen claims Bergoglio proposed civil unions for homosexuals as alternative to ‘marriage’ Matthew Hoffman, Latin America Correspondent April 12, 2013 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Lieberal Catholic Vatican reporter John Allen, alleges that Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio, now Pope Francis, did propose "civil union" legislation as a "compromise solution" on the issue of homosexual "marriage" in 2010. Allen is the Vatican correspondent for the National Catholic Reporter, a newspaper that frequently publishes attacks on Catholic doctrine. Allen personally traveled to Buenos Aires, where he says that three different unnamed sources confirmed to him the claim, which was made by several newspapers following the election of Bergoglio in March, including the New York Times. Two of the sources, according to Allen, were senior officials of the Argentina Episcopal Conference, of which Bergoglio was the head until his recent election. Both officials "worked with Bergoglio and took part in the behind-the-scenes discussions as the conference tried to shape its position," Allen claims. Allen also cites two other sources in the Argentinean press who publicly confirm the story: Mariano de Vedia of the La Nación newspaper, and Guillermo Villarreal, whom Allen simply calls a "Catholic journalist." According to Allen's sources, Bergoglio privately debated with fellow bishops over the issue, advocating the endorsement of civil union legislation, apparently as an alternative to homosexual "marriage" in 2010. A majority of bishops rejected his stance and Bergoglio accepted their decision, remaining silent about civil unions during the debate over homosexual "marriage" that year. Ultimately homosexual "marriage" was approved by the National Congress. However, Allen clarifies, Bergoglio never supported homosexual "marriage" itself. Allen's account also tends to confirm reports by the Catholic traditionalist website Rorate Caeli indicating that Bergoglio provided only a weak public response to the drive for homosexual "marriage." Allen reports that Bergoglio personally called one individual to urge him not to have a public rosary outside the legislature while the debate was occurring, but rather to "pray at home." Conflicting signals Although Bergoglio is accused of having been soft on homosexual "marriage," what the cardinal did say at the time was undeniably strong. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:58am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Syncan:Now let me expose Pope 'Who am I to judge'. Behind closed doors, pope supported civil unions in Argentina, activist says By Rafael Romo, Jose Manuel Rodriguez and Catherine E. Shoichet, March 21, 2013 -- Updated 1822 GMT (0222 HKT) Buenos Aires (CNN) -- Less than an hour after he fired off an angry letter to Catholic Church leaders about their handling of Argentina's same-sex marriage debate, Marcelo Marquez says his phone rang. He was surprised to hear the voice on the other end of the line. It was Jorge Mario Bergoglio, then the archbishop of Buenos Aires, and now the pope. What Bergoglio said to him at a meeting soon afterward that year, 2010, was even more surprising, Marquez said. For months, church officials had made sharp, public criticisms of the push to legalize same-sex marriage in the South American country. But privately, Bergoglio seemed to be more open to discussion, according to Marquez. "He told me. ... 'I'm in favor of gay rights and in any case, I also favor civil unions for homosexuals, but I believe that Argentina is not yet ready for a gay marriage law,'" said Marquez, a gay rights activist, a self-described devout Catholic and a former theology professor at a Catholic seminary. The pope's reported willingness behind-the-scenes to accept civil unions as a compromise may offer new insight into how he will lead the world's 1.2 billion Catholics. A public battle As archbishop of Buenos Aires, Bergoglio was one of the leaders of the Catholic Church's public charge against legalizing same-sex marriage in Argentina. He engaged in a notorious war of words with the government of President Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner, who supported the measure. Bergoglio put himself in the middle of the fight, calling the proposed legislation "a destructive attack on God's plan." With a front-page counterpunch, the president said the church possessed "attitudes reminiscent of medieval times and the Inquisition." Some point to the public battle as evidence of Bergoglio's traditionalist views. But behind closed doors, Marquez said, the man who would become pope appeared to be more open to discussion of the issue. In another meeting, Bergoglio told him he had always treated gay people with respect and dignity. "I have accompanied many homosexual people during my career to tend to their spiritual needs," Bergoglio said at the time, according to Marquez. Pope was 'very open, very frank' Bergoglio, who chose the name Pope Francis after he was elected pontiff last week, may have voiced his support for civil unions in other circles. Andres Albertsen, a former pastor of the Danish Church in Buenos Aires, said Bergoglio made similar comments about civil unions to him in a private meeting. "In this conversation that we had, he showed himself to be very open, very frank with me," Albertsen told CNN en Español on Wednesday. "He told me that he would have accepted a civil union." According to a story published by The New York Times on Wednesday, Bergoglio also told bishops at a 2010 meeting that the church should support civil unions for gay couples. CNN could not independently confirm the details of the Argentine bishops' meeting, which was also described[b] in a July 2010 article published by Argentina's Clarin newspaper. "Bergoglio -- faithful to his moderate position -- proposed continuing measured actions. ... He would suggest, also, that the church discreetly accept the intermediate alternative of the civil union -- authorizing a series of rights (inheritance, social work) -- that would not equate to marriage nor permit adoption," wrote journalist Sergio Rubin -- now Bergoglio's biographer.[/b] But that proposal was rejected by bishops, who voted instead to begin a high-profile, public battle against same-sex marriage, Rubin wrote. Pushing for dialogue A senior Vatican official said he could neither confirm nor deny The New York Times report at this point, adding that while Pope Francis might have expressed such a view while he was a cardinal, he should be given time to develop his policy position as pontiff. Alejandro Russo, the rector of the Metropolitan Cathedral in Buenos Aires, said it was unlikely the pope had ever expressed such a view, even in private. In 2007, Bergoglio publicly criticized Buenos Aires' government for allowing civil unions, Russo said. His relationship with the mayor of Buenos Aires soured over the matter. Gay rights advocates in Argentina later argued that civil unions, allowed in a several states, were a positive step that conferred some benefits to same-sex couples, but didn't go far enough. The same-sex marriage measure, they said, would treat homosexual and heterosexual relationships equally before the law. It would permit gay couples to adopt, and also allow the inheritance of property. Argentina approved a law legalizing same-sex marriage nationwide in July 2010. Even though Bergoglio was one of the law's most well known opponents, Marquez said on Wednesday that he hopes the pontiff will remain open to discussion, just as he appeared to be several years ago in Buenos Aires. "We are going to try to have a dialogue with the pope," said Marquez, who works for Argentina's National Institute Against Discrimination. "It's frightening, but I think it must be done." 'He's really moderate on this issue' Word of the pope's reported support for civil unions in Argentina sparked debate, with some praising his stance and saying it was a hopeful sign of possible reforms. "He wanted to respect human rights. That's the real surprise here, that people say, well he's anti-gay. You can be anti-gay marriage and not be anti-gay, and I think there's a distinction here," said the Rev. Edward Beck, a CNN contributor and host of "The Sunday Mass" on ABC Family. "He's really moderate on this issue, it seems." Others, though, were more skeptical. One Argentine journalist said Wednesday that he wasn't quite ready to celebrate. In an article titled, "Francis, the pope that declares war on us and later calls us on the phone," journalist Bruno Bimbi said it wasn't clear how the pope will handle the issue of same-sex unions. "Maybe the lion has become a lamb. Maybe, as a priest told me the day his election was announced, maybe he is worried about his biography and wants to go down in history. I do not know," Bimbi wrote. "Whatever he does, this time he won't be able to blame others for the pressures. Now he's in charge." http://edition.cnn.com/2013/03/20/world/americas/argentina-pope-civil-unions/ ....................................... Mr Syncan will still come and defend Bergolio even though the whole world knows his support for gay union. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 1:53am On Oct 24, 2014 |
^ The above might be useful to some. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 1:52am On Oct 24, 2014 |
Thursday, December 22, 2011: Prayer Group: Jesus said: “My people, a while back I gave you some messages that those, who developed other viruses, will develop a new flu virus that will be both deadly and contagious. I even saw these evil ones making large amounts of this virus that they intended to spread by means of the chemtrails. Now these scientists have leaked out the information that they have produced such a virus. This could be another excuse to provide a new vaccine to protect the people. In actuality they want to force people into mandatory flu shots that will reduce your immune system, and make you more vulnerable to this new virus. Get some masks, refuse to take any mandatory flu shots. But take Hawthorn, herbs, and vitamins to build up your immune system. Before they spray this virus in the chemtrails, I will warn you to go to My refuges where you can look on My luminous cross and be healed of any virus.” Tuesday, December 8, 2009: (Immaculate Conception) Jesus said: “My people, you are living in the end times and you are seeing many events leading up to the Antichrist’s takeover. You have been enduring wars and soon you will see famine spreading over parts of the earth. This latest vision shows an appearance of a pestilence disease as a pandemic virus spreading all over the earth indicated by a spreading yellow color. This next disease will be much more deadly than the Swine Flu. I have told you in past messages that these diseases are mostly man-made. When many people start dying in large numbers, this will be the time to leave for My refuges so you will be healed of any illness by looking on My luminous cross or drinking the healing spring water. The evil ones are trying to reduce the population so they have fewer people to control. Trust in My protection and My victory over these evil ones.” http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/2009/12/09/tuesday-december-8-2009-immaculate-conception/ Monday, April 28, 2008: (St. Louis de Montford) Jesus said: “My people, you are about to see man’s inhumanity to man by a flagrant mass killing by putting virulent viruses in the chem trails. So many will die and the disease will be very contagious. Hospital workers will be given vaccines so they can work with the sick, but they will be so overwhelmed by the numbers that are sick. Those, who escape the disease, will not want to bury the dead for fear of catching the disease. That is why you will see so many decaying bodies left where they died. The one world people will be behind this gruesome deed just to lower the earth’s population. They also will have a vaccine to make them immune, but their plan will compound an unintended destruction of many plants and animals that will add to the coming world famine. My faithful should call on Me to have your guardian angels lead you to My refuges where you would be healed of this pandemic disease by drinking miraculous healing spring water, or looking on the luminous cross. I will protect My little ones from all of the evil one’s attempts to kill you. Rejoice in My mercy of protection, and pray for those being asked to set up My refuges of protection.” Jesus said: “My people, you see many beautiful flowers and trees in the spring that are all a part of My perfect creation. Man in his pride has tried to improve on My perfection, but he only makes things that look good, and they have bad side effects or they do not fit into the balance of nature. Some have proposed other means of creation as the big bang theory, or evolution theory, but none of these can explain nature totally or could be proven by scientific methods. No specie has ever been seen to mutate to a higher chromosome specie. There even has been some links of people believing in evolution to being atheists. Man can rationalize theories as much as he wants, but in the end it was My hand in creation that has brought everything into being that you see before you, whether people want to believe it or not. Trust in My Word of Scripture as giving you the truth of this life because I would never deceive you as Satan and man does. Everything that I do is based on love and harmony, and mankind should base his actions on love as well.” http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/2008/04/28/monday-april-28-2008-st-louis-de-montford/ http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/2008/04/28/monday-april-28-2008-st-louis-de-montford/ http://www.johnleary.com/index.php/2009/12/09/tuesday-december-8-2009-immaculate-conception/ |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 11:20pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:Stop asking me useless questions. Go and read the CCC. The number 2 are not in contention at the Synod. The church have never rejected them, so they arent the ones Pope Francis want to welcome. It's the number 1 being talked about. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 11:18pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:Do you realize that you are the one who cant do anything right? You asks question s and I have answered all your questions and now you cant answer my own questions. How do you mean that I lied about Pope Francis? If he didn't want to change the teachings why did he call the Synod where there are already catechism on the subjects? Why did he appoint radical Cardinal Kapser to propose the way forward at the February consistory? Why did he praised Kapser proposal? The whole world knows Pope Francis is in support of changing the church teachings in communion for divorce, cohabitation and welcoming people who are active homosexually. I need to log out now. I should be back in 4 hours to respond to anything thing your write about. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:50pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
MissMeiya: That CCC is talking about two issues relating to gays. 1. People who are gays and are active. 2. People who have the tendencies but are not active. The number one above is forbidden by the church. The Cardinals are not contesting the number two because the act is not committed. Pope Francis also want to allow divorce and fornication and number 1 above. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:46pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:Let me also ask you a question. 1. What is the essence of the Synod? 2. Why can't the Pope just refer the bishops to these sections if they (the sections) are in favour of welcoming gay? 3. What is the church teaching on divorce? Now to answer your question, the part the Pope wants to change is the one that has to do with welcoming people who are active in gay acts. This is what the church forbids. He also want to change the divorce and forication laws. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:43pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
beryl04:I can give you the ,link, they have been there forever. The whole world knows they were prophesied since 2008. Go to www.johnleary.com |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:37pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
MissMeiya:How pls? Did you understand it at all? |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:36pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:Let the readers discern that. It's not for you. Maria Faustina was thought to be a false seer by the church, also the children of Fatima. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:25pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:On the ACT. 2357 Homosexuality refers to relations between men or between women who experience an exclusive or predominant sexual attraction toward persons of the same sex. It has taken a great variety of forms through the centuries and in different cultures. Its psychological genesis remains largely unexplained. Basing itself on Sacred Scripture, which presents homosexual acts as acts of grave depravity,141 tradition has always declared that "homosexual acts are intrinsically disordered."142 They are contrary to the natural law. They close the sexual act to the gift of life. They do not proceed from a genuine affective and sexual complementarity. Under no circumstances can they be approved. ON THE TENDENCIES/URGE: 2358 The number of men and women who have deep-seated homosexual tendencies is not negligible. This[b] inclination[/b], which is objectively disordered, constitutes for most of them a trial. They must be accepted with respect, compassion, and sensitivity. Every sign of unjust discrimination in their regard should be avoided. These persons are called to fulfill God's will in their lives and, if they are Christians, to unite to the sacrifice of the Lord's Cross the difficulties they may encounter from their condition. 2359 Homosexual persons are called to chastity. By the virtues of self-mastery that teach them inner freedom, at times by the support of disinterested friendship, by prayer and sacramental grace, they can and should gradually and resolutely approach Christian perfection. .............................. REF 141 above: Cf. Gen 19: 1-29; Rom 1:24-27; 1 Cor 6:10; 1 Tim 1:10. Genesis 19:1-29 Genesis 18Genesis 20 Genesis 19:1-29New International Version (NIV) Sodom and Gomorrah Destroyed 19 The two angels arrived at Sodom in the evening, and Lot was sitting in the gateway of the city. When he saw them, he got up to meet them and bowed down with his face to the ground. 2 “My lords,” he said, “please turn aside to your servant’s house. You can wash your feet and spend the night and then go on your way early in the morning.” “No,” they answered, “we will spend the night in the square.” 3 But he insisted so strongly that they did go with him and entered his house. He prepared a meal for them, baking bread without yeast, and they ate. 4 Before they had gone to bed, all the men from every part of the city of Sodom—both young and old—surrounded the house. 5 They called to Lot, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us so that we can have sex with them.” 6 Lot went outside to meet them and shut the door behind him 7 and said, “No, my friends. Don’t do this wicked thing. 8 Look, I have two daughters who have never slept with a man. Let me bring them out to you, and you can do what you like with them. But don’t do anything to these men, for they have come under the protection of my roof.” 9 “Get out of our way,” they replied. “This fellow came here as a foreigner, and now he wants to play the judge! We’ll treat you worse than them.” They kept bringing pressure on Lot and moved forward to break down the door. 10 But the men inside reached out and pulled Lot back into the house and shut the door. 11 Then they struck the men who were at the door of the house, young and old, with blindness so that they could not find the door. 12 The two men said to Lot, “Do you have anyone else here—sons-in-law, sons or daughters, or anyone else in the city who belongs to you? Get them out of here, 13 because we are going to destroy this place. The outcry to the Lord against its people is so great that he has sent us to destroy it.” 14 So Lot went out and spoke to his sons-in-law, who were pledged to marry[a] his daughters. He said, “Hurry and get out of this place, because the Lord is about to destroy the city!” But his sons-in-law thought he was joking. 15 With the coming of dawn, the angels urged Lot, saying, “Hurry! Take your wife and your two daughters who are here, or you will be swept away when the city is punished.” 16 When he hesitated, the men grasped his hand and the hands of his wife and of his two daughters and led them safely out of the city, for the Lord was merciful to them. 17 As soon as they had brought them out, one of them said, “Flee for your lives! Don’t look back, and don’t stop anywhere in the plain! Flee to the mountains or you will be swept away!” 18 But Lot said to them, “No, my lords,[b] please! 19 Your[c] servant has found favor in your[d] eyes, and you[e] have shown great kindness to me in sparing my life. But I can’t flee to the mountains; this disaster will overtake me, and I’ll die. 20 Look, here is a town near enough to run to, and it is small. Let me flee to it—it is very small, isn’t it? Then my life will be spared.” 21 He said to him, “Very well, I will grant this request too; I will not overthrow the town you speak of. 22 But flee there quickly, because I cannot do anything until you reach it.” (That is why the town was called Zoar.[f]) 23 By the time Lot reached Zoar, the sun had risen over the land. 24 Then the Lord rained down burning sulfur on Sodom and Gomorrah—from the Lord out of the heavens. 25 Thus he overthrew those cities and the entire plain, destroying all those living in the cities—and also the vegetation in the land. 26 But Lot’s wife looked back, and she became a pillar of salt. 27 Early the next morning Abraham got up and returned to the place where he had stood before the Lord. 28 He looked down toward Sodom and Gomorrah, toward all the land of the plain, and he saw dense smoke rising from the land, like smoke from a furnace. 29 So when God destroyed the cities of the plain, he remembered Abraham, and he brought Lot out of the catastrophe that overthrew the cities where Lot had lived. (Romans 1:24-27 "Therefore God gave them up in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, to the degrading of their bodies among themselves, because they exchanged the truth about God for a lie and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever! Amen. For this reason God gave them up to dishonorable passions. Their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural, and the men likewise gave up natural relations with women and were consumed with passion for one another, men committing shameless acts with men and receiving in their own persons the due penalty for their error" . |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 10:07pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
[b]Monday, July 30, 2012: (St. Peter Chrysologus) Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing in the news some outbreaks of various diseases in Africa. They have had various diseases as sleeping sickness, a nodding disease, ebola, malaria, AIDS, and dengue fever. Many of these diseases occur with tropical climates and various parasites. Some of these diseases are man-made viruses as ebola and AIDS. There are many innocent people dying from these diseases, as they are planned diseases of the one world people to reduce the population of the world. You may see the beginnings of this plan more in tribal societies as in Africa. Be aware that similar diseases can be transferred to other countries to reduce their populations as well. Abortion has been spread to all countries, as well as birth control devices to cut down the population. Killing My babies is the direct work of the demons, so work and pray to stop abortions.” January 6, 2009 Jesus said: “My people, you have heard from various sources how AIDS and Ebola were man-made viruses intended to decrease the population. This is an ongoing part of the devil’s death culture to kill man by abortions and wars. It is still part of the one world people’s intentions to reduce the population further with a manufactured pandemic virus just as they made AIDS. This vision of virus preparations is what is being made right now. Once this is introduced into the population, many will die and the evil ones plan to have a vaccine to protect themselves. This again is why I am preparing My refuges of protection against such diseases. When you look upon the luminous crosses, or drink from the miraculous springs, My people will be healed of any illnesses. Give thanks and praise to Me for your protection from these evil ones. This death from diseases, and problems from financial losses will be the excuses to call martial law to restore law and order from the riots that will occur. Both because of these diseases and not taking chips in the body, My people will need to come to My refuges to keep from being killed. Pray much to be strong and endure these coming trials.” April 25, 2008 Jesus said: “My people, I have shown you before about the evil ones’ plan to eliminate a good share of the people on the earth by using a very virulent virus that would be spread by using chem trails. Many unknowingly are taking flu vaccine shots that will make them more susceptible to die from this killer virus. The evil ones have a special vaccine that will make them immune to this new virus. Those remaining alive will be the evil ones who are immune, those who have built up their immune systems with Hawthorn, herbs, and vitamins, and those protected at My refuges by looking on My luminous cross and by drinking from My healing spring. After the Warning it would be better that you do not take any flu vaccine shots because it could cause your death later. Even now it would be better not to take any flu shots unless there are some who are really vulnerable and need them. The evil ones will try to force mandatory chips on the remaining people, but you are to have your guardian angels lead you to the safety of a refuge that would have angel protection. The Antichrist will rise to power for a short time before I will vanquish him and all of his evil helpers. Have no fear of this time because I will always be at your side to protect you. The evil ones think that their plan will defeat My faithful, but they are so misled that they do not see My coming victory which can be read in the Scriptures.” [/b] ................................... The above is for individual readers discernment too. God bless. |
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Syncan:Your two colleagues did. I have three of you arguing with me. The fourth person has a different argument. |
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Tuesday, October 14, 2014: Jesus said: “My people, you are seeing the tablets of My Ten Commandments in front of you, but you are a also seeing a black veil being placed over them as the devil’s attempts to hide the truth of My Law. I told you that I came on the earth to fulfill the Law, and not to change it. It is true that I love everyone, and I want everyone to come to church. You all know the Ten Commandments, and if you commit a mortal sin, then you need to confess any serious sin in Confession before you can receive Me in Holy Communion. All those who have mortal sin on their souls, commit a sin of sacrilege if they receive Holy Communion. You are hearing about discussions about the sexual sins that are under My Church’s understanding of the Sixth Commandment. Let there be no doubt that fornication in living together, adultery of relations with other men or women, and homosexual acts between two men or two women, are all mortal sins in My eyes. Any people who claim that these acts are not mortal sins, are committing heresy in My eyes. I always accept sinners to come to Me for forgiveness. Same sex marriage is an abomination in My eyes, and I am the judge of this, and it should not be accepted in My Church. My faithful remnant need to stand up for their true beliefs in My Law, and even defend My Church from any heresies. I have given My laws to be obeyed, and not to be rationalized or glossed over by a make-believe love. If you truly love Me, and do not want to offend Me, you will obey My laws, and have your mortal sins confessed in Confession.” Jesus said: “My people, in your previous cold war with Russia, you had a clock that moved closer to twelve o’clock when there was a threat for nuclear war. Now, your clock is moving closer to twelve o’clock because you are moving closer to the Warning, and the coming of the Antichrist into power. I keep telling you to prepare for My Warning by coming to Confession at least once a month, to keep your soul pure so you do not see your mini-judgment to hell. Not only is My Warning coming soon, but you are also seeing the other signs that I warned you about before the Antichrist declares himself. You are seeing farmers finding it hard to grow crops with bad weather conditions that are leading up to a world famine. You are seeing potential signs of a division in My Church between a schismatic church and My faithful remnant. The schismatic church will teach New Age teachings and that the sexual sins are no longer mortal sins. You are also seeing signs for a coming martial law in a potential crash of your dollar, a pandemic virus like ebola that could be transmitted through the air, and potential ISIS terrorists that could kill people in America. Another sign is the coming mandatory microchip in the body that will be demanded by your new health care law. With all of these signs at the door, you can easily see that your country is about to be taken over, and the Antichrist will soon come into power. Trust in Me because I will protect you from the evil ones, and I will provide for your needs.” Thursday, October 16,2014: (St. Margaret Mary Alacoque-Sacred Heart) God the Father said: “I AM WHO AM, and I am happy to greet My pilgrims on their journey of life to follow Me and My Ten Commandments. I want to address My prophets and messengers, so they will go forward and proclaim My Word. You are living in an age of confusion that is caused by the devil. I gave Moses My Ten Commandments of love of God and love of neighbor. You know that it is against My Fifth Commandment to kill the unborn or others. You also know in My Sixth Commandment that it is a mortal sin to commit fornication, adultery, or homosexual acts. Some people are implying doubt in My laws, but they are not to be changed or modified for a better hearing. My prophets need to speak out in defense of My laws, because those, who want to change My laws, are heretics, and they should not be followed. Give glory and praise to Me as I watch over My people. I will forgive all repentant sinners, but woe to those who try to mislead My faithful, because they are walking on a path to My judgment to hell. I love all of you, but you need to love Me, and obey My Commandments in order to enter heaven.” ............................... The the reader discern. This is message given by heaven to visionary John Leary. John Leary has a Catholic bishop as his spiritual director who reviews his messages before they are published. Many of John Leary messages have come to pass. |
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Syncan: You are an illiterate and an ignoramus. Canon law enables one to believe the Pope is the False Prophet. If a Pope was heretic before he was elected, he is an antiPope. And there are evidenxces that Francis was heretic in his support for civil gay union in Argentina. You don't need a priest to tell you this. In case you don't know, my spiritual director is a priest of high standing. I also have other priests friends. Many priests world over are criticizing Pope Francis in published articles in their pages and papers. |
| Christianity Etc › Re: Vatican Proposes Dramatic Shift In Attitude Towards Gays, Same Sex Couples by elampiro(m): 8:41pm On Oct 23, 2014 |
Syncan:You are now confused and disillusioned. I have told you the church teaching, yet you keep asking useless and senseless questions. |
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