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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:08pm On Oct 10, 2014
Most times we don't have the whole picture. We don't know which clubs are making inquiries already. My submission is that if Gaal sanctioned it, then it's good.

The only problem is the number of players we have in that left side of the defence. Evans, Shaw, Rojo, Blackett competing for 1 or 2 spots considering Smalling and Jones can suddenly form a formidable partnership.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:34am On Oct 10, 2014
Monaco said they were on a top English player, and that they are still confident o land him. All the papers said it's Rooney.

Now, what's the essence of selling Falcao and wanting to sign a player who wouldn't take a pay of less than £250k, even if he were to take a pay cut by next summer? Is Monaco not confused? ... D thing dey confusion me fa.

* One of Mata, Rooney, RVP will not be at United next season except if one of them is indifferent to taking a squad role, or Mata just hang around knowing that the other two are already aging.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:25pm On Oct 09, 2014
Casillas' latest error, which saw him allow Kucka's long-range strike to beat him straight down the middle, is likely to increase the pressure on Spain boss Vicente del Bosque to drop the Real Madrid man in favour of in-form Manchester United stopper David de Gea. 

http://www.goal.com/en/match/slovakia-vs-spain/1653171/report?=CMPID=FBINT_141009_SlovakiaSpainReport
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:23pm On Oct 09, 2014
There are many ways of counting. Counting down is one.

Surely surely Starboard started his counting from the rare.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:07pm On Oct 09, 2014
tonididdy:
same mata who was a hero@cfc

...manutd can kill playerz career from pogba to park to ferdinad to evra to felani..the list is endlex
You forgot to add CR7, Beckham, Giggs, Rafael, Blackett, Kean, ..... The list is endless.

In Chelsea, where is Torres, Crespo, Deco, Malouda, Kalou, Mikel, Alex, Bosigwa, Joe Cole, Ashley Cole, Meireles, Cech
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Chances created is the most screwed and useless stat in football. The real attacking stats should stop at goals, assists, clear cut chances conversion and clear cut chances created.

1. What is the essence of the stat when a player creates 115 chances and only 5 led to a goal? And he got applauded? Or one creates 100 and only 7 led to a goal.


2. Who is more useful? One who creates 100 chances with 5 leading to a goal or one who creates 50 chances with 10 leading to a goal?

3. or between a player who created 100 (useless) chances with only 5 being big chances (CCC) or another who has only 50 chances with 10 big chances (clear cut chances)?

4. The analysts of chances created stats even get confused. In 2012/13 as of January Steve Pienaar was said to be the best in chances creation. At the end Pienaar was not mentioned again, instead we were told in one article it was Baines, in another it was Mata.

5. The worst of this stat is the fact that the stat is highly screwed in terms of the teams the players feature in. For instance:

* Mata is no where near Jesus Navas. Navas is more creative than Mata. Despite Navas being a winger.

* Mata is no longer among the top 5. Man City now has 3 players among the top 5.



In my opinion, I see nothing important in chances created/key pass.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:11am On Oct 09, 2014
afrodoc2:
Elampiro please compare and contrast Collins Ebitimi and Bright Omokaro cheesy
We were told that chances created is so important. They showed us Silva created every 25 mins while Hazard created every 31 mins.

* I wanted to know why Ozil a number 10 was behind Nasri a winger.

That post was just a trol and a trap for other things.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
And so....

Please defend nasri

For the records in his last season in madrid ozil had


According to statistics ozils key passing is very strong.

Even his short passes are very accurate.

Forget the fact that he's out of form that's the consequence of reccurent injury issues.

Try and watch videos of ozils best moment you will be amazed.


Ozil and nasri are not even on the same wavelenght.

If ozil was a knight,nasri would be a lowly peasant!.
Just forget it. Let's leave.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:55pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
In qualifiers for the world cup ozil topscored for germany with 11 goals explain that.
Lol. You are not armed.

Ozil is easily defendable but you don't just know how to go about it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
* At Madrid, Ozil created massive 24 CCC in 2012/13. Last season he created only 4. Club and league influence.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:32pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
In what way did nasri perform better than ozil?
How did ' passer' Ozil compared to Nasril in chances created? Ukwu!!!



Leave world cup out of this. He was dropped due to indiscipline.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:32pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
Ozil naturally has the advantage of playing from the middle(forget wengers buffonery)

He decided some matches when he was at madrid and the earlier parts of last season.

Forget the fact that ozil tends to get tired easily the guy is a better player overall cmpared to nasri!
Last season, Ozil was Arsenal number 10 for the greater part while Nasril is a winger. So Ozil ought to have performed better if you want to use position as an excuse.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 4:29pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
@elampiro never underestimate the prowess of mesut ozil.

He top scored for germany in worldcup qualifying campaign....

The guy had the highest number of assists in europe before his move to arsenal...

He came in good when his team needed him the most...crunch games like the 2_2 draw against borussia dortmund while he was at madrid...he scored a freekick at the very end of the game....

he actually rallied arsenal and raised the team performance with his individual displays in last seasons title challenge before they fizzled out.
* I am talking about EPL.

* Nasril has not played in Laliga before. The German team and Madrid are a different set up.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:47pm On Oct 08, 2014
Arsenal midfielder Mesut Özil has been ruled out for up to 12 weeks with a knee injury, the Germany national team medical staff have confirmed.
.....

Arsenal don suffer. Walcott, Ramsey and now Ozil.

* Chelsea is the lucky team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:42pm On Oct 08, 2014
mcfarlin:
Sir elampawa there is nothing close about that comparison.

Ozil despite his dwindling fortunes is the better player!

But they no dey play the same position now!!!
Why do you think Ozil is better? The fact that they don't play same position made Ozil's case terrible.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:39pm On Oct 08, 2014
Dadehmola:
Which of the ozils? The one that took the epl by storm during the early stages of last season or the one that has been lethargic for the past 6months?
Lol. No let SailorXY and Mazi hear dis. They are fans of players who just do the simple pass.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:20pm On Oct 08, 2014
Who is a better player between Ozil and Nasril?

This is a very close call.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:49am On Oct 08, 2014
Eden 'Messi' Hazard.

Fabregas has spoken. cheesy He has paid his homage. Let everyone else shut up now and pay their homage. grin

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In another news- Ronaldo endorses Benzema. Calls him best striker in Laliga. What hope for Chicha now?



Good night people. cool smiley

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:39am On Oct 08, 2014
Coogar, I hear you. You always want the last word. Now you have it.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:38am On Oct 08, 2014
Fabregas: Hazard is Chelsea's Messi

Oct 7, 2014 15:35:00
The Spain international also says he had "three options in England" but felt that the Blues were the best club for him after deciding to leave Barcelona in the summer
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2014/10/07/5164667/fabregas-hazard-is-chelseas-messi?ICID=HP_BN_1

Even Fabregas paid homage. cheesy



cheesy cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:24am On Oct 08, 2014
Robin van Persie is the latest injury concern for Manchester United.
Voetbal International say that Van Persie didn't take part in the training session after the Dutch squad had warmed up. Instead he returned inside the training facility complex.
There is no claim on any specific injury to either Van Persie.
Holland face Kazakhstan on Friday and then Iceland three days later. Should there be a problem with Van Persie then Van Gaal will hope his replacement as Dutch coach Guus Hiddink will keep the striker out.
However, there's still the worry hanging over the long term fitness of Van Persie.
[Source: Voetbal Internation]




Plssssss ooooo. Let it just be a rumour. Now guys will 'kill' Rooney.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:17am On Oct 08, 2014
Shirley must have read from her source or complete sports or DSTV analysts that Suarez was used as false 9 for Liverpool. Then she concluded that Suarez operated as a second striker. grin

Shirley, good night o. Weare already into another day. I gat to freshen myself well with some sleep.

Coogar, I am done.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:10am On Oct 08, 2014
coogar:
you said van persie was the lead striker - so what is falcao's role? grin cheesy



rooney also took setplays - perhaps more than the wingers. this excuse is watery. did valencia take setplays? how did he manage to create more chances than rooney?

so if all the creativity is happening from the flanks, why then would you think rooney was in the hole to the point of posting less key passes than young & valencia?

stop disgracing yourself, the newbies are reading. grin
You are putting words in my mouth. The perfect example I gave was RVP and Robben. As for assists, they came from the wingers because we relied from supply from the wings. I know Rooney didnt take much set plays as compared to 2012/13 to 2013/14 where he took almost half of them when he played.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:06am On Oct 08, 2014
Shirley07:
You know what? I would have let you be, if you had said in the beginning that Suarez played a false 9 role for Liverpool but you said Suarez was the lead striker.

When you say a player is a False 9, it means he doesn't occupy a no 9 position but he's still required to do a no 9 job. For example, amoeba has a psuedo/false feet which means it doesn't have a true feet but that psuedo feet is still required to do the job of a true feet. The truth is Suarez was a forward for Liverpool, not a lead striker. And I repeat, false 9 is synonymous to SS because they offers the same thing.
As for Rooney, no amount of spraying long ball to the wing and sprinting like an headless chicken to receive the return pass will make him like a false 9/SS.
To be fair to him, he's been okay the few time he was deployed behind Rvp and Falcao but his display is still nothing like an SS.
If you agreed Suarez was a false 9, then why do you still argue? Good you have long dropped your submission he played from the wing.

I think you are confusing yourself with your use of false 9 and SS. They are two different things. See below:
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The False 9, in some ways, similar to a more advanced attacking midfielder/playmaker role, is an unconventional lone striker or centre-forward, who drops deep into midfield. The purpose of this is that it creates a problem for opposing centre-backs who can either follow him, leaving space behind them for onrushing midfielders, forwards or wingers to exploit, or leaving him to have time and space to dribble or pick out a pass.

Key attributes for a False 9 are similar to those of a deep-lying striker; dribbling ability to take advantage of space between the lines, good short passing ability to link up with the midfield and vision to play through team-mates making runs from deep to goal.

Matthias Sindelar was arguably the first False 9, playing in the Austrian national team in the 1930s.[7] A False 9 was also utilized by the Hungarian national team during the beginning of the 1950s, with striker Nándor Hidegkuti acting in the role.

Roma under manager Luciano Spalletti used Francesco Totti, nominally a trequartista, up-front in an innovative "4–6–0" formation;[8][9] this was met with a run of 11 consecutive victories.

Arsenal under Arsène Wenger utilised Robin van Persie as a False 9, often partnering with Theo Walcott who would move into the box from the flanks, in a false 4–2–3–1.

At Euro 2012, Spain manager Vicente del Bosque, although sometimes using a typical striker in Fernando Torres, used a false 9 in Cesc Fabregas in several matches, including the final
. By the end of 2012, the False 9 had gone 'mainstream' with many clubs employing a version of the system. Barcelona's Lionel Messi has been an exponent of the false 9 position to much success in recent years, first under coach Pep Guardiola and later under Tito Vilanova.[10]
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* In the example above, would you say Walcott was the lead striker and RVP a winger/SS? NOW PROBLEM IS SOLVED.
cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:54pm On Oct 07, 2014
coogar:
nihilist dumped you
sircumalot abandoned you

the only reason you are still arguing is because tsunami took your decorum almost 10 years ago.

van persie is the lead striker & falcao is in the hole?? grin cheesy our play was in the wing & rooney was in the hole hunting? grin cheesy

it's a bodybag season & i am dishing out caskets. this will teach you a lesson. the next time you bring up an idiötic opinion on this platform, your torture would be worse.

come & explain to us how all our wingers managed to create more chances than rooney(in the hole) in 2011/12? what happened to rooney that season? creeping neurosis? grin
* I never said Falcao is in the hole.

* In 2011/12 we had Valencia, Nani, Young, Giggs playing very actively all season. Our operation was from the wings. We had Young and Giggs taking set plays. Even Cleverley took set plays.

* The argument has been between you and I. Even some guys who started with you stopped posting since.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:45pm On Oct 07, 2014
chrisley024:
elampiro you've been betrayed amidst the battle. smiley
I don't rely on people to back me. I hardly get backing here. So chill.

He couldn't get stat because he was looking at a narrow angle. This is why those who look at the overall situation know who is who.

Madrid are ready to break the bank. grin
EPL players voted Hazard.
whoscored rated Hazard higher,




chances created are shits. cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:41pm On Oct 07, 2014
coogar:
they cannot stand the facts i have reeled out in leaps & bounds. elampawa has been completely annihilated. grin
Console yourself. cheesy
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:39pm On Oct 07, 2014
1. Players voted Hazard twice.
2. whoscored rated Hazard more 2/3
3. Hazard scores more goals.
4. Hazard is a better dribbler.
5. Hazard doesnt get played in the hole as much as Silva.
6. Hazard converts more of his CCC.
7. Hazard is valued more in the market.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:24pm On Oct 07, 2014
coogar:
rooney is also better than messi.
it's the set up at barcelona that is helping messi. messi have xavi & neymar to help him out while rooney has valencia & young. grin

elampiro's logic is peerless.

Rooney doesnt have the players award over Messi. He doesnt have whoscored rating over Messi. He doesnt have the dribbles more than Messi. He doesnt have the goals more than Messi. He is not valued more than Messi.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:22pm On Oct 07, 2014
chrisley024:
Well, I've seen you have nothing else to say except set up, vote and move to Madrid.
What about goals?
What about the fact that Silva played some matches as the number 10?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:20pm On Oct 07, 2014
coogar:
this is the most stûpid excuse ever....
so chelsea aren't chelsea if hazard is absent? man utd aren't man utd if rooney is absent?

hazard missed 3 games last season & chelsea took plenty of shots, created plenty of chances & even took 3 points at anfield. your excuses are very lame.

nihilist - your spokesman even abandoned you cos he musta realised you are just talking out of your arsë anyways. if chelsea system doesn't benefit hazard, he should go to stoke fc.



so is falcao our number 10 or RVP our number 10 now? where did you learn that 2 strikers can't play alongside each other? who was in the hole in city's last game? aguero or dzeko. united played 4-4-2 in 11/12 season



so if we attacked through the wings, what was rooney doing in the hole(like you suggested) or are you too daft to comprehend your written? if we relied on wing play it then means the wingers were the creators & rooney was a strike partner with one of chicha & welbeck. fergie wouldn't put rooney in the hole & let the play bypass him. he was our best player as at then.

end of duscussion!
* nihilist was never my spokesman. We have been on this for the third day now and nihilist only posted twice.

The moment I showed that Silva played the number 10, your argument was ended. I also showed that Hazard won on goals and assists and you refused to produce your similar chart of 2012/13.


* RVP and Falcao are both centre forwards just as RVP and Robben. But RVP is the lead striker.

Just as between RVP and Robben, it was evident that Chicha was the box striker while Rooney was the hunter who played behind.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:14pm On Oct 07, 2014
Shirley07:
That's why I said Mata is more of a SS than AM. Mata moving forward doesn't change the fact that Rooney is a forward with Mata behind him.
No doubt, Mata starts his move from a withdrawn role, same way Suarez started his move behind Sterling and Sturridge who were more of inside forwards.

And what brought the argument is you saying Rooney is the best SS in the history of Epl. That aside, only Rooney and Aguero were mentioned by you not until I asked about Suarez.
Let me also repeat it to you that SS is more of a glorified False 9 because they offers the same thing. For example, Ibra plays as a false 9 for Psg but in a withdrawn role behind Cavani and co who are inside forwards. Infact, in the match Cavani had a stinker, the coach said he shouldn't be blamed because there was no Ibra to supply him passes, same way Messi has been playing in a withdrawn role behind Neymar and Munir or even Rooney behind Falcao and Rvp. Don't get it twisted, they are all forwards not midfielders!
This is getting too long. I will soon log out to go do other things. I watched many Liverpool matches last season and I know what I am talking about. Suarez operated as Rooney would do when he plays top 9. If you play Rooney as top 9, he would start his move behind JS Park and Giggs or behind Mata and Young.

Now sef, I don't know if your argument is that Suarez played as an SS or as a winger.

But don't you use whoscored.com? They have post match formation. You can compare the result with zonal marking to know which player was used as the number 9. There are ways to verify these things.

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