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Syncan:
Syncan is not saying same thing, why don't you believe mine? When it talks of Rome losing faith, who told you it was the church?

Syncan:
That is for you, truth is that every one is sitting up now, bishops, priests, lay are all reading the CCC now to understand more, things that were taken for granted are re-examined, before his Papacy, I didn't know the CCC treated on homosexuals...even in a kind language.

Syncan:
Again I tell you, separate from those apparitions this your invisible hand behind the keyboard called maria divine mercy. You will be filled with fear, the devil can foretell what he has planned for the future, yet he needs God to allow or twart that plan of his.

Syncan:
Aha. Now you mean the message has passed its relevance?

Syncan:
He defends the scripture, the scripture says the church is the pillar and foundation of truth. You disrespect the pope in a way, calling him Begoglio, That is Pope Francis, the reigning pontiff. To him the lord had said, "feed my sheep".

Syncan:
Beloved brother, that is why they are all there, remember it took paul to straighten up peter in the first council. Pls separate fatima, la salette,...well akita...from maria divine mercy and the likes, don't muddle up things, fear is a weapon of the devil, pray, pray, pray.

Syncan:
Hahahaha, bros me sef tire for this our brother o, Our Lady according to him said we should pray for the pope, but the guyman wan eliminate am instead, I tire o.

italo:
I don't know why you guys are worrying excessively over this issue.

It is not a doctrine.

There are always these kinds of debate during every Church council...from the 1st in Jerusalem to the last in Vatican II.

Why don't you just trust in the Holy Spirit?

*not you, Francis hater. I know only the Pope's head on a plate will satisgy you.

italo:
So?

italo:
Elampiro will not rest until Pope Francis is dead.

I don't know what Pope Francis did to him.

I don't even know the essential message he's trying to pass.

I guess he just wants the man dead.

beryl04:
Religious fanatics like you want to believe that if I am willing to live a LIE and pretend to be straight that God will accept me into "HEAVEN" but if I insist on living the TRUTH and do good for my fellow men as an openly gay man I will be condemned to "HELL." Christians - don't you see how silly this all is Lie=good, Truth=bad.

beryl04:
There are some very very powerful influential people within the hierarchy of the catholic church and those people are determined it seems to resist adopting or giving their validation to any positive change in church attitudes towards gay people and homosexuality in general.

These same people seem to be determined to resist any attempt to encourage the church to adopt a more understanding, tolerant and compassionate attitude towards Queers. "It's not right" they wail ( as if they and they alone have the monopoly on rightness or that they and they alone are in a position to judge and decide what is " right" for others?

Or " we' re traditionalists" they say... " we believe in a " traditional" interpretation of scripture when it comes to the issue of homosexuality and homosexual relationships"... but perhaps in this case the word " traditional" could be replaced with the word outdated? It could be replaced with the words outdated, irrelevent, outmoded, archaic etc etc. The thing is that the catholic church really isn't doing itself any favours in the eyes of many by clinging to outdated attitudes and beliefs about gay folk. All it really does is make itself look a bit of a fool. When many smart rational intelligent folks look at the catholic church and the christian religion in generals attitude towards gay people many of them decide that they simply don't want anything to do with such an organisation or it's parent religion. That surely has to be worrying for the church especially when many of those people are young and energetic but because of its teachings and attitudes they choose to invest their time and energy elsewhere......

beryl04:
Don't burst a blood vessel dear,wake up this is not 1102AD .

Ubenedictus:
what is happening is that bishops are inside a chapel praying and discussing about thorny topic. We do not yet have any final word.

Ubenedictus:
there are positive aspects to everything, even if they are sins. Unless the person is totally mad.

Have you ever asked homosexuals why they are in a relationship?

italo:
You have said a lot of things about Pope Francis.

Why not wait until he says that fornication is no longer a mortal sin...

or that sex is no longer for married couples...

or that communion can be received by someone in mortal sin...

Then you can kill him...or you want to kill him now?

beryl04:
"Without denying the moral problems connected to homosexual unions it has to be noted that there are cases in which mutual aid to the point of sacrifice constitutes a precious support in the life of the partners," the document said.

elampiro:
Breaking: Cardinal Burke says statement from Pope Francis defending Catholic teaching is ‘long overdue’

Tue Oct 14, 2014 - 5:37 am EST

In a candid interview Monday, Cardinal Raymond Burke voiced the concerns of many of his brothers in the Synod hall and lay Catholic activists throughout the world that the public presentation of the Synod has been manipulated by the organizers in the General Secretariat.

He strongly criticized yesterday’s Relatio post disceptationem, or “report after the debate,” which the Catholic lay group Voice of the Family had called a “betrayal,” saying[b] it proposes views that "faithful shepherds ... cannot accept[/b]," and betrays an approach that is "not of the Church." He called on Pope Francis to issue a statement defending Catholic teaching.

“In my judgment, such a statement is long overdue,” he told Catholic World Report’s Carl Olsen. “The debate on these questions has been going forward now for almost nine months, especially in the secular media but also through the speeches and interviews of Cardinal Walter Kasper and others who support his position.”

“The faithful and their good shepherds are looking to the Vicar of Christ for the confirmation of the Catholic faith and practice regarding marriage which is the first cell of the life of the Church,” he added.

The relatio, he said, proposes views that many Synod fathers “cannot accept,” and that they “as faithful shepherds of the flock cannot accept.”

The document, among its most controversial propositions, asks whether “accepting and valuing [homosexuals’] sexual orientation” could align with Catholic doctrine; proposes allowing Communion for divorced-and-remarried Catholics on a “case-by-case basis”; and says pastors should emphasize the “positive aspects” of lifestyles the Church considers gravely sinful, including civil remarriage after divorce and premarital cohabitation.

“Clearly, the response to the document in the discussion which immediately followed its presentation manifested that a great number of the Synod Fathers found it objectionable,” Burke told Olsen.

“The document lacks a solid foundation in the Sacred Scriptures and the Magisterium. In a matter on which the Church has a very rich and clear teaching, it gives the impression of inventing a totally new, what one Synod Father called ‘revolutionary’, teaching on marriage and the family. It invokes repeatedly and in a confused manner principles which are not defined, for example, the law of graduality.”

Burke lamented that the bishops’ interventions are not published, while the General Secretariat chose to publish the controversial relatio, which was intended as a merely provisional summary of the first week that is under review by the fathers this week.

“All of the information regarding the Synod is controlled by the General Secretariat of the Synod which clearly has favored from the beginning the positions expressed in the Relatio post disceptationem of yesterday morning,” he said.

“While the individual interventions of the Synod Fathers are not published, yesterday’s Relatio, which is merely a discussion document, was published immediately and, I am told, even broadcast live. You do not have to be a rocket scientist to see the approach at work, which is certainly not of the Church.”

While critics of Burke's public interventions in the Synod debates have portrayed him as representing a fringe, he was elected by his brother bishops to moderate one of the three English-speaking small groups discussing the relatio this week.

https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/breaking-cardinal-burke-says-statement-from-pope-francis-defending-catholic

italo:
^^^

This man is still after Pope Francis.

Did Pope Francis steal your wife?

Are you saying homosexuals are not welcome and they dont have gifts and qualities to offer?

That they're totally useless and should be cast out?

What about liars, fornicators, thieves, corrupt officials...other sinners? Are we all totally useless without gifts and qualities to offer?

Should we all be cast out?

Who then will remain in the Church?

Jesus and Mary alone?

Dbryan:
Is the church accepting them in other to change their orientation,to inculcate in them that God made it to be male and female or are they being welcome cux they have some 'qualities'to offer the church thereby polluting the body of Christ...some persons need to be reminded about sodom and gomorah

thegoodjoehunt3:
I am down with new players being invited regularly. The problem I have today is strategy.

Coach Keshi has coached some exceptional games and played some attractive football. I knew the return of Echiejile would worry the team. I was so happy he injured and did not go to the World Cup, if not Di Maria would have used Echiejile to win golden ball.

I feel Echiejile should be dropped first. Then Coach Keshi should return back to his possessive football. Finally, the team is too bulky. Oboabona and Omeruo are okay. Ambrose puts in his work.

Coach Keshi needs to bring in more skillful players and promote more wing play. This should be the end of long balls in our game.