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When you 'bad mouth' a referee, expect the rest of them to treat you harshly, particularly Mark Dean. 2009/2010 season comes to mind.

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This is our best 11, and we have no bench....


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Rafa--------Smalling--Evans--Evra
Val/Adnan---Jones--Cleverley/Fletcher---Young
-------------------Rooney
--------------------RVP

Reserve: Welbeck for RVP, Kagawa for Young

Should we keep this players fit and play this way, we will finish top 4.

RuuDie: SAF win the ligue with this same side...!? Ok.

I guess this means Chelsea will the UCL or Europa Ligue since RDM and Rafa did it with pretty much the same teams or even less!?

The problem is more with the players. They are crap. Moyes has his own fault though.

Was it Moyes that caused the red card?
Couldn't the players had defended with ten against 11 and push for a replay?
Clueless forwards confused in front of goal. Too many passes too many....

Now Ferdinand will be without a career FA cup.

Moyes fault yesterday was to allow too many young players to be on the pitch same time against Swansea. When we went down to 10 men, Carrick or Anderson should have gone in for Chicharito. Then Fletcher goes to right back.

People shouting Mourinho, Mourinho. In my opinion, Mourinho has a better team, yet he went out of Capital1 cup.

Mournho; no
Guadiola: Yes.
Both: out of reach.

dademola: ...to serve as backup for jones, isnt it?

Then we will have three good midfielders.

As Jones is out, they would have been playing while Fletcher acts as the back up.

The only way the season can be saved is bringing in about 5 players now. We can resell later.

1 assistant RB
2 fast playing midfiedlers who are ball winners and bursting yards
bring Lingaard back from loan
1 winger.

We are still going to have injuries. Wenger saved his season this way when they lost 8-2 to Man United.

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Is anyone still doubt. This is not a mere coincidence. Jones has done a zillion times better than all our midfielders. Even Kagawa has no goal or assist from attacking position. Yet they will say Jones offers nothing going forward.

I had an elder brother who knew virtually nothing about skills. I was an attacking skilful player and scoring goals. But I needed him to be behind me in games to have confidence to do whatever I wanted in the field. He was an energetic ball winner. You can't ever dribble him, you have to look for a solution, either you pass you you dribble sideways. He could play full back, right back and midfield. He was most effective as a full back but most useful to the team as a midfielder. If he was not in games, the difference will just be there as everyone worked harder trying to retrieve the ball.

If you run into trouble, just pass the ball to him and leave the rest.

[b]Phil Jones all matches in Midfield.
1. Man United 1 Liverpool 0 ……………(with Giggs.)
2. Man United 4 Norwich 0 …………….(with Cleverley)
3. Fulham 1 Man United 3 ………………(with Cleverley HT 3-0, triple subs at HT)
4. Man United 1 Arsenal 0 ………………(with Carrick)
5. Leverkusen 0 Man United 5………… (with Giggs)
6. Tottenham 2 Man United 2………….(with Cleverley)
7. Man United 0 Necastle 1…………….(with Cleverley)
8. Man United 1 Shakhtar 0 …………..(With Giggs)
9. Aston Villa 0 Man United 3 ………(Cleverley)
10 Stoke 0 Man United 2 ……………….(Cleverley)
11. Man United 3 West Ham 1…………(Cleverley)
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Jones in Midfield
Played 11, won 9, drew 1, lost 1. GF25-GA5

Man United in the midfield without Jones
Played 20 matches: won 9, drew 5, lost 6. GF30 GA24
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From 11 matches Phil Jones has 2 goals from the midfield. He has hit the upright.

Cleverley has had 22 matches in the midfield (not too sure of the accuracy of number of matches, but between 19 and 22) and he has scored only 1 goal.

To the best of my knowledge, the only other midfielder who has scored is Cleverley.
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In eleven matches, Phil Jones midfield has given us 25 goals and only 5 against. He has been in the mix of different midfield pairings and back four behind him.

From 20 matches without Jones we have just 30 goals and 24 against.

Now who is more attack minded?




NB: manual computation.
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montelik: Yeah right, all na format. Stretford has us over a barrel. he knows United will be desperate to hold onto Rooney to avoid the negative impact his departure would cause (loss of sponsor interest, negative reporting e.t.c). hence we will probably put him on CR7 type wages which he likely won't get elsewhere unless he has a barn storming WC.

Woodward and Moyes caused this. had we made a few decent signings in the summer, we wouldn't be so doubtful of being able to make replacement signings. Also had Moyes not decided to make placating and soothing Rooney his top priority, we wouldn't be so reliant on him and strengthened his negotiating hand.

I don't think this is the case. The problem has to do with the quality of players in Man United. Rooney has been calling for quality signing to compete with the likes of Bayern, Barca, Madrid, etc.

Deiok: I totaly agree with them, there is no need for him to remain at club if we dont make it to the champions league, and we shouldnt forget he was on the verge of leaving the club last season but later persuaded by SAF to stay. If stays one more season on the club with those below average players playing around him, and a clueless manager who dont manage players, it will affect his career because clubs will finaly lost interest in him. In as much as i will miss him at the club, i also wish him to flourish in his career.
Even moyes himself made mention of it in one of his press conference, that he dont think rooney will remain at the club if we dont make it to the champions league.

Unconfirmed report states that Rooney condition for staying is quality signings..... quality new players. I guess this was why Moyes was shouting Fabregas, Fabregas, etc.

Capital1 cup Tuesday.

Now, who is still confident?

I didn't like that Young4 injury, he has small thing to offer, experience wise. Valencia needs help, but not always from Janujaz.

coogar: seen who through? abeg speak for yourself. if you are contented with rubbish football, keep praising valencia. he's done nothing in the last 18 months.



one would think valencia has never lost us a game the way you are shouting his name at the rooftop? the present rot started with valencia when he allowed the late winner against everton.

You look at the situation on ground to make judgment. If we had Williams or Moses, then you could make a case for Valencia to be on the bench. But not the current form of our rest wingers.

Everything on Moyes head, really? Moyes Everton was not this bad. You have to sweat blood to beat them. They were the fittest in the EPL and gives oppositions high tempo football. Our players have been over pampered. common training they get injured freely.

No wonder Athletic Bilbao could use them for pepper soup and thy went out from group stage of UCL two years ago. When last did we hear of such from Madrid, Barca, Bayern Munich and an easy group?

Sell sell sell. Keep selling and upgrading until we get to level of Bayern and co.

In the UCL and many difficult games, Valencia despite not been his old self, has seen us through difficult situations even in tough away ties against Shakhtar when he combined with Welbeck to score. Common FA cup home fixtures, he left the pitch and things went dead.

Nobody should tell me shit again. Football is not all about flair. We had too many akamu children on the pitch late on. Cup matches we have been doing well since.

Fussbot: lwkm @ 1-2-1-2

kagawa should be used as a chef is one japanese restaurant in manchester

I wonder how many matches he will play before he gets into the team. He gets bullied off the ball, too many back and safe passes, no risk taking. Till now he doesn't know EPL is energy and pace. No penetration.

I will check later how many assists and goals he has this season. By now he should be a leader when the senior broses are away.

I just tire.

Oghos1: Lol
Yea, and lies taste worse.

Being brainwashed is the worst thing that can happen to a man. A brainwashed man doesn't want to find the truth.

[quote author=Mazi_Omenuko]I said it minutes before he brought in Adnan; I suggested he pull out one of the 2 strikers and play Adnan at the left to pair up with Butner; what did he do? He pulled off Val for Adnan. We knew Val was totally clueless in the team, but we needed him for a cover on the defense, and maybe, a moment brilliance. We needed to be attacking from both flanks since our midfield was just there!

Anyway, I'm not perturbed by the loss. We need fewer games now so we can concentrate and qualify for champs lge.[/quote]You know how to read football.

I said too many young players against Swansea will be a disaster. We were in control but no quality to finish them off. Them we finished ourselves with those sub. At least with Val there activities on the right even though we were clueless there. When he left, that area went dry for a long time. Then Fabio.....

With Chicha and Welbeck on, Adnan coming in meant we lost experience in totally in the attack. Had. Young been fit, I would prefer him.

coogar: don't be ashamed - the earlier we get knocked out from all these competitions, the likelier we would see a change. let the glazers count their losses. all united FA cup games get TV coverage. we would have lost some tens of millions with this result so it's good news.

if you have the time, read this article......

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/10529777/David-Moyes-gambled-with-Robin-van-Persies-fitness-and-is-damaging-Manchester-United-says-Raymond-Verheijen.html




this is idiocy at best.....
valencia isn't finished when he got a red @ hull & now fabio is finished? you have been crying jones jones jones. he played against newcastle at OT as a DM, what happened in the end? cabaye drank his blood with shepherd's pie.

1. Valencia played almost 90mins before his second yellow. Fabio got a red in few minuites.

2. Jones has only lost one match (I think) out of 6 losses despite playing far more matches. Carrick, Cleverley, Fellaini, Anderson have plenty loses in their hands.

Ukwu!!!

dademola: shut up!! Which yeye case for jones?? We offered nothing offensively, u're talking about jones!!

He offers nothing offensively yet he has a winning goal, he has hit the upright. His matches have gotten us the greatest score lines, he has more clean shee.ts, we attacked more in the games he has played.

Stop applying sentiments to your judgments.

montelik: Fabio should pack his bags and say goodbye to his twin, cos you can now be sure Moyes will play Giggs at fullback before him. The only way he gets any playing time, is if he pretends to be Rafael for a few games so as to get a chance to force his way in to the side.

I saw this young man in the preseason against Asia teams. He is not the Fabio we used to know.

We need a certain Lingaard to fight for the number 9 with Welbeck and Chicha. That guy is a better finisher.

Oghos1: Elampiro is one shockingly unbelievable person.
Some of his posts make me wan2 quit nl for good.

Truth is bitter.

Bright De Gea: But it is the average players that kicks the ball, Moyes has no hand in united problems, the players just sucks, go and listen to what Moyes said about the players when he first came to united

Thank you. The players are crap.

Was it Moyes who prevented them from burying Swansea in the 1st half?

Now It's SAF and Moyes that are to blame..... Fabio and clueless fowards are left off the hook.

Nonsense.

chrisley024: Stop lamenting.
Our wastefulness cost us d game.

That's the point. Before the changes, we were comfortable pressing while hoping to get the lead. But our forwards were too immature. But after the changes, things changed.

I saw Fabio in the preseason. He is finished.

Another case for Jones. At Stoke, we restricted them to no shots on target.

He knows how to fill the gaps.

Now the ayagayagayagayo who preached attacking through the middle, where has it gotten us tonight?

BinghiNya: coogar's. fabio costs united

Leave that guy. He never kicked a ball. He learnt about football via PE and stats.

They said:
Remove Valencia
Remove Smalling
Play Fabio

The following players are not good for us/EPL

Fabio
Kagawa.

Chicha and Welbeck are wasteful.



I guess I have to leave this thread. Some ayagayagayagayos lack basic football understanding. Moyes pleased their unending lust for plastic football. Plastic and mediocre football they fot. Kagawa bullied out of the ball several times, playing too safe with simple passes and he can't even shoot.

Nonsense!!!

dademola: u are the one exergerating the importance of jones in mf! Hw can anyone who claims to understand the rudiments of the game, suggest that the presence of jones would have prevented the swansea goal??

I beg make we leave argument first, I dey vex jor.

Play Fabio, play Fabio, play Fabio.

My decoder went off. I checked net, I saw Fabio red card.

See na.

Which wing did Fabio play self?

coogar: na tortoise story....
elampiro has never completed a match at senior level. this is why he's advocating for jones. united are the joint last team with the least attack in the central area this season. when you have deer in the headlights like jones in the midfield & the trust fund baby(rooney) ahead of him, how can we attack through the middle?

We have had better attacks through the middle in the matches Jones have played than other midfielders. Baby Rooney? Ukwu!!! Infact no need.

Did you ever kick a ball? How do you mean I never competed at senior level? I competed at senior level when I was still very young.

dademola: are u insinuating that whenever jones plays in mF, the opposition wont test our defense with through-passes or what??some of the things u post make me doubt d crdibility in ur "i played with karimu shuaibu" claims!

The testing is highly restricted. Stop exaggerating my statements to dilute their credibility. Jones in the midfield has gotten us fewer attacks on our defence and far better results.

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So now what is happening on the right wing?

The game is entering a risky stage. 70th minute....

Mehn! Kagawa done do one evil turning for midfield. Lovely!