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adebayo201: Chai! evil kagawa, u no go kill person with these ur tweets oh

EvilKagawa is wicked o

Lewandowsky off to Bayern Munich?

RuuDie: I don't really think we will make any "high-profile" buys now. Maybe at the off-season but certainly not now.

Everything that has an advantage has a disadvantage.

If we don't buy, we should resign minds to finishing below top 4. But it will enable us know precisely the players that should be sold.

It is somewhat ridiculous that we have:
Carrick
Fletcher
Fellaini
Cleverley
Anderson

And we are in need of centre midfielders.

However, Man United is a big club, we should do things as such. Many big players have passed through Man City before they got to where they are.

Should Mourinho make a high profile buy of a player who is UCL tied this January, then I will say he is desperate and definitely an over rated coach. If he cannot finish 1st or at least 2nd with this current squad how is he better than Rafa Benitez?

chrisley024: The argument has been on Val's performances with and without Rafa in comparism to Nani, so u r d only person trying to make sth out of d fact we all know. He has not played any better than Nani to warrant his place in d 1st team.

Pls tell me Val's special contributions in Arsenal and Swansea games in terms of our attack?. Unless u want to give d credit to Val for every game we won where he played without Rafa or u r trying to compare a player with 19 starts with one d@ has got only 6 starts?

What do you mean by special contribution?

I watch overall play and not just who scored or assisted. There was even a match, I think against Sunderland, Valencia came in late and provided the first through ball through the middle which resulted in a clear cut chance for RVP. But RVP missed it on one on one with the goalkeeper. That could have been as assist from a Valencia's dribble through the middle. He has few of such moments which we easily forget because we are all angry with the situation.

Valencia has also been in the build up to goals.

If I may state this, Valencia's post match ratings by major rating websites have been higher than Nani's for virtually every single match and cumulatively for the season. For instance goal.com and whoscored.com. I haven't opta rating.

chrisley024: Very obvious Val performs better ahead of Rafa and clueless when ahead of Jones or Smalling, and don't even bring up Bayer game cos Bebe would look like CR7 against them.

In most of the other games he played without Rafa which we won, he did notin special which was germane to our victory.

You have changed the argument so much.

Despite that, what about Valencia in the Arsenal game? What about Val vs Swansea? It is true he performed better with Rafael, that is something we have known for ages. In comparison, Valenica has been better than Nani playing in front of Rafael. He has also be better than Nani playing in front of Jones, Smalling and co.

De Rossi : “Thankfully, I didn’t go to Manchester. In hindsight, I would’ve killed myself by now at missing out on playing with Roma.” he told Corriere dello Sport.

..............

Not about Manchester but about where his heart and love is - Roma.

I will like to know what EvilKagawa has said recently, particular about Koke (abi na Coke)

chrisley024: What's even your point? We're talking about performances and u r here showing number of games.

Performances of Val with and without Rafa!

Did you read the trail of argument?

We exhausted our argument on performance, then JayKayMaybachz said Val had some good games because he was playing in front of Rafael. Then I had to prove that Valencia has been playing more in front of mediocres number 2. He has also posted what could be termed some MOTM performance in front of mediocre number 2.

elampiro: Valencia
1. Jones vs Swamsea
2. Jones vs Chelsea
3. Fabio vs Palace
4. Smalling vs Liverkusen
5. Smalling vs Man City
6. Rafael vs Shakhtar
7. Rafael vs Fulham
8. Smalling vs Sociedad
9. Smalling vs Arsenal
10. Samlling vs Cardiff
11. Smalling vs Leverkusen
12. Samlling vs Tottenham
13. Rafael vs Everton up to 58 minutes, then Rafael went out for Nani due to inhury
14. Rafael vs Shakhtar
15. Rafael vs Aston Villa
16. Rafael vs Stoke
17. Rafael vs West Ham
18. Rafael vs Hull. Then we went two nil down. Rafael went out. Val went to RB Back and we won 3-2 in Hull.
19. Smalling vs Tottenham.

Nani
1. Rafael vs Liverpool
2. Jones vs West Brom
3. Rafael vs Sunderland
4. Rafael vs Southampton.
5. Smalling vs Stoke
6. Rafael vs Necastle.

See for your self. I did it manually, but I doubt if there is any error.

Good night.

Valencia has only started with Rafael 8 times out of 19.
Nani has started with Rafael 4 times out of 6.

Who has benefited more from Rafael?

Ukwu!!!

JayKayMaybachz: if u wannna spell it that val game aqainst those were so outstandinq den u make me laugh ... aiight ... geh rafael outta the rb den see that j ninja play shyte .... rafeal is the niggaz backbone .... yeah u got some there ... nani hasn't been otstanding dis season buh val has alotta games dis season dan nani ... u don judge with few games ... what did val do last season buh he was still played often ....

Valencia
1. Jones vs Swamsea
2. Jones vs Chelsea
3. Fabio vs Palace
4. Smalling vs Liverkusen
5. Smalling vs Man City
6. Rafael vs Shakhtar
7. Rafael vs Fulham
8. Smalling vs Sociedad
9. Smalling vs Arsenal
10. Samlling vs Cardiff
11. Smalling vs Leverkusen
12. Samlling vs Tottenham
13. Rafael vs Everton up to 58 minutes, then Rafael went out for Nani due to inhury
14. Rafael vs Shakhtar
15. Rafael vs Aston Villa
16. Rafael vs Stoke
17. Rafael vs West Ham
18. Rafael vs Hull. Then we went two nil down. Rafael went out. Val went to RB Back and we won 3-2 in Hull.
19. Smalling vs Tottenham.

Nani
1. Rafael vs Liverpool
2. Jones vs West Brom
3. Rafael vs Sunderland
4. Rafael vs Southampton.
5. Smalling vs Stoke
6. Rafael vs Necastle.

See for your self. I did it manually, but I doubt if there is any error.

Good night.

JayKayMaybachz: if u wannna spell it that val game aqainst those were so outstandinq den u make me laugh ... aiight ... geh rafael outta the rb den see that j ninja play shyte .... rafeal is the niggaz backbone .... yeah u got some there ... nani hasn't been otstanding dis season buh val has alotta games dis season dan nani ... u don judge with few games ... what did val do last season buh he was still played often ....

Wait, I will list some games Valecia has played without Rafael.

JayKayMaybachz: tell me something elamps ... how many times and how many games has nani played for us did season ?? yeah ... val did some ... buh that cant be compared to nani's bru ... you gotta admit that nani is better than val ... the only advantage val has got over nani is....been defence minded .... nani doesnt defend as val ... val was defended, den converted to a winger ... likewise bale ... so can u compare bale and val? nope, u cant cuz bale is beta dan him ... val aint productive bru ... epl defenders now know the ninjas movement ... he is so predictable ... i am not biased here ... just stating the obvious

Valenica good games:

1. Fulham
2. Leverkusen, home and away.
3. Aston Villa
4. Stoke....league cup
5. Swansea
6. Arsenal

You could add all the UCL games he has played.

Nani:
Do you realise this man has started 6 matches already? Which one can you say he has been outstanding? Perhaps, against Leverkusen. Valencia was also outstanding.

JayKayMaybachz: Tell it bru ... valencia is a dumb-fuvck .... clueless .. makes late decisions ... den punishing our forwards who may at will be on a good position to take a candid step to scoring ... i have really watched dis dude ... he is no where near nani ... talk of more of bale, di maria and hazard ..... it sickening we still have him around ... the only good about him, is the strength and resiliance

The question is, what has Nani done for us lately with all his skills? He did well immediately Ronaldo left. Since them, we have been drinking water on those performances. Nobody doubts his skills but when is he going to make his potentials count. He is still like a latent talent.

It looks to me that Nani is the one who is guilty of delaying passes and balls. Someone who could piratically stand for some seconds and be thinking what next to do. Nani performance against Madrid was great, but we only get such once in a blue moon.

JayKayMaybachz: I prefer nani to valencia .... valencia is a poor dung which cant fertilize ... nani's bad shape is better dan valencia's full form .... hugs touchline like his life depended on it ... no skills, no tactics, cant dribble ... damn !!! ah learnt dat wingers were one of the best tacticians cux of their ability to penetrate opponents defence and aid to goal scoring ... try and check out nani's clip for utd about 08,09 and 010 seasons ... that dude was a beast ... always punishing chelsea, arsenal and city ... valencia copes with mediocre teams ... he cant deal with superior teams like nani does ... rewind to 2010 ucl match aqainst bayern munchen .... nani bleeped lahm bare ... am so sure val mumu cant do that ... nani is mile ahead young and valencia ... adnan is a good prospect ... he is goon develop into a world class if he stays put and do the needful .... as for fabio, ermmmm he is a talented lad...he wasnt given playing time in order for him to harness his talent

Your post is clearly biased in many areas.

1. 08,09,10 seasons....... mehn, we are talking of current form. Valencia had good past. SAF clearly said he was the preferred winger.
2. Valencia has also had good time against big teams. In 2011, Valencia was instrumental to our journey to the UCL final. He has also made Ashley Cole to look like Scholes boy in a number of fixtures.

I have no real favourite between the two players, I switch in between them depending on who is giving us better result. At the moment, it's Valencia. Nani has been awful this season. He shows potential of what he is capable of, but he never really hit the nail on the head. Just try and reflect on matches Nani has started for us.

afrodoc: 4 now Valencia is more productiv than Nani HOWEVER Nani has more variety in his play.until Valencia learns 2 move d ball wit his left leg and adds a lil bit of stepovers 2 d game he will b too onesided 2 b truly gr8



Chamotex accordin 2 Espnsoccernet Giggs has one assist more than Valencia in d EPL.Dts not d issue howeva,d issue is Valencia isnt d finishd product yet.he has 2 b proactive in his game 2 work on his game and lift it 2 d nxt level.he would b more deadly if he added a left foot and thru passes 2 his game NOT tryin 2 go outside all d tym.i tell u sooner or later he wuld b found especially against quick,smart FBs lyk A.Cole.even George Best(d 5th Beatle workd on his weaker foot!


I made these 2 posts above in Feb 2010.
Valencia had his initial gra gra success before people sat down to watch his game. He is one of the easiest people to mark out of the game for any quality full back

I am not ready to write him off so easily. How come he has done well in matches we played young defence?

I also want you to rate his UCL performance this term.

chrisley024: Valencia has been found out and it's end of story for him especially in d league.
He can't play well as a RB as we've seen his numerous errors. He has been played there when we're in control of d game n pressing for a win. But his errors show whenever we're under attack.

Send him back to Wigan!

List these numerous errors.

Secondly, don't you think it is more difficult to play in the RB when we are pressing for a win and we throw men forward?

He started numerous games in the right back last season and previous seasons, he did marvellously well. This season, our midfield is shyte and Vidic is slow. With a solid midfield and a young CDs pairing, Valencia will perform almost as Rafael in the right back, particularly when started from first minute.

Manchester United are waiting eagerly on the results of Wayne Rooney's groin scan after the striker was spotted leaving Bridgewater hospital in Manchester on Friday.

Rooney is almost certain to miss the FA Cup clash with Swansea after playing through the pain barrier in the 2-1 defeat by Tottenham at Old Trafford. [Source: Daily Mail]

afrodoc: play people in their rightful positions first.

he played just one EPL game. we had a clean sheet in that game and he had a 6.96 rating (better than evra), so he was not exactly woeful

his other match was in the capital one cup where he came on in the 90th minute and still grabbed a goal, he was not woeful there either.

play RBs in the RB position first and lets see if they are good enough. if a certain one leg wonder cant make it at RW ship him out!

and there is a very simple reason why valencia is equally useless as an overlapping RB , i will tell you if u ask nicely

My summary of this: We have too many players.

It looks like the house is too full and in the process some players are forgotten or just scarcely played in order to make them happy. The bad thing is that it is not good for their career. Buttner, Fabio, Anderson and Chicharito.

RVP, Kagawa and Rooney...... are we suppose to have more than two of them? ...and there is Welbeck.
Valencia, Young, Nani........... are we suppose to have more than two of them? .... we have adnan and Zaha

A large squad is good but I am looking at some disadvantages. Forceful rotation causes some rustiness and lack of confidence. There could also be unhealthy competition.

afrodoc: I agree with you the jury is still out on fabio. I am not sure about his form and fitness but i believe he should get a chance at RB ahead of valencia who is defensively clueless.

I said the jury was out on fabio, well for Valencia the verdict is in.......GUILTY by virtue of one-leggedness and predictability!
If u check back on these pages u will see that i predicted this about 2-3yrs ago, you can't be this predictable and one legged at the top level.

As per Nani i would prefer him going forward to valencia especially if we get a couple of dynamic and intelligent midfielders like vidal, strootman, gundogan etc.
our wide men would then be chosen for there ability to beat their man and create chances e.g adnan,nani rather than their willingness to track back e.g valencia

1. It is unfortunate that injury has prevented him from climbing higher like Rafael. He was the one who had more ptentials because he could play both full back comfortably as well as midfield. But Rafael got his debut in a UCL group match and has never looked back. In my opinion, Rafael sent Neville to early retirement (although some would disagree). Haven said that, Valencia has not done badly defensively except one and half error I have seen him committed in all his years as an emergency deputy in the right back. This season, he has helped us there and we all came here to commend him.

2. Valencia in the right wing vs Nani: Both have been very good in times we had good midfield and both had been bad in times we had bad central midfield. Remember, Valencia's depute season was marvellous until he broke his leg. Then in 2011/2012 he was Man United player of the season. This year, he has been one of our top players in the UCL. Perhaps the second best.

I appreciate Nani's skills, but it is wrong to suggest Valencia offers nothing going forward. Nani botto.m level is also a shame, even this season.

afrodoc: when did fabio not do well?

I can't say specifically. But all the time I have seen him the the RB from preseason to date, he was like a school player. I think he had one or two games at the start of the season.

afrodoc: THIS JANUARY
Buy Vidal and Strootman. We need 2 central midfielders not 1.

Cleverley,Carrick and Fletcher to the bench. Powell and maybe Tunnicliffe to come back as 3rd choice pairing.

At the end of the season
offload Vidic, Evra, Rio and Carrick. We need legs and these 4 dont have it.

Smalling,Evans,Jones to play ONLY as CBs. Fabio to be Rafael's sub and buy Shaw from Southampton as LB.

Adnan,Zaha and Nani to stay as wingers. Valencia and Young should both go, buy one new winger.

Kagawa and Rooney battle for no 10 role.

1. Not sure of Fabio. It appears you guys didnt pay attention to his game in the playing time he has had. Also, he was so bad in th preseason.

2. So Nani is left off the hook because he has been idle? Now there is a price for being idle.

chrisley024: I don't think we need an assistant RB. It just logical to play Fabio when Rafa is injured.
Sell Ando(cos of his fitness)
Sell Valencia
Sell Young
Relegate Cleverly to d bench.
Find Carrick replacement n a CMF.
Never extend Rooney's contract(will be a bit hard for us now but will pay in near future).

Fabio didn't do well at the start of the season. He was our weak link in the defence. Rafael is thousand miles ahead of him. I will still pick Valencia over Fabio.

Ukwu!!!


Ashley Young to miss Sunday's clash with Swansea after picking up shoulder injury during clash with Hugo Lloris

That's yet another injury..

When Arsenal lost 8-2 to Man United, Wenger bought players and saved himself from embarrassment of UCL exit.

It's not too late to do something for an interim plan.

Apart from midfield we need:
An assistant right back. A very good left full back. A good winger.

No need to allow Giggs and Ferdi to train with the rest lads. They should stay on the side line during trainings. Vidic should be a sub CD. Evra should be given a good competition on the LB.

Sell Butner
Sell Anderson
Sell Fabio
By Summer we should sell one or two of Young, Valencia and Nani.

My opinion now, it could change tomorrow again.

dademola: still waiting for ur response....

I no get response until I get an evidence. No need for long stories.....

Meanwhile, see my energetic ball winner dealing with Lampard.

Winning tackles on the ground and in the air.

Mourinho's 50 million pounds bid for Higuain rejected.

coogar: so this is your proof hargreaves was a defensive midfielder in moscow? if you heatmap every outfield player, they would show a similar image.

I never said Hargreaves was a defensive midifleder.

This is also not a proof to anything. But I think it can be a clue to my argument.

However, these images are not the same. The difference in them is the guide to my argument. We know your ingenuity in things like this. Why don't you help us with the charts that should help?

dademola: jargons of the highest order!! I saw it coming!! U still havnt answered my question; who was detailed to pickup ash cole's overlapping runs in moscow that night??

Study this chart very well. You will notice that Ronaldo made passes from Evra's wing. Then You will notice no activities on that end from Tevez and Rooney. Lastly and most importantly, you will notice Rooney and Tevez made passes from Brown's wing. Does this not suggest that Hargreaves drifted inward while we defended? I see no other reason why Rooney and Tevez should be making passes from those positions when we had Hagreaves.

Chart 1. Ronaldo
Chart 2 Tevez
Chart 3 Rooney

Oleg is now Cardiff coach.

dademola: why are u finding it so difficult to answer the simple question i asked??

In a 4-3-3 who helps the right back?

Let's leave the argument. We will revisit it when we have more facts. No need for pages.

dademola: jargons of the highest order!! I saw it coming!! U still havnt answered my question; who was detailed to pickup ash cole's overlapping runs in moscow that night??

I guess you know Hagreaves didn't play high.

Perhaps you will need to see the the game again to appreciate what I am saying. But are you saying Rooney wasn't moving right. You might be surprised he pulled more crosses than Hagreaves (unverified).