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afrodoc: You obviously have a narrow knowledge base and not quite deep either.
the 60M is an indoor event and not run at the World Athlete Championships, the only times it was run at a major international outdoor competition was actually at the olympics

I stopped paying serious attention to the world athletics and indoor games many years now. But I know that's where naija people can manage to pick medals. Lol

2008 Olympics Britain 19 golds, Germany 16 golds.


2012 Olympics Britain 29 golds, Germany 11golds.

The gap is widening. We are going to see this in football soon.

What is my business with those years they appropriated plenty medals to those sports that have now been extinct or had few nations followership. It is more balanced now.

afrodoc: at the athletic championships before that in 2011 Germany was also above Britain.
where are these your british athletes?
Germany was above them also in 2009

Who takes this serious? The only place Nigeria sprinters win medals. I guess too this is where they use to run 60m instead of 100m.

afrodoc: Elampiro your assignment is to find the world athletic championships where Britain did better than Germany

This is a novelty meeting when you compare it with Olympics games. How many games are involved?

[quote author=A-40]This guy go just dey give us zobo! The British dominated which games? Where did you throw US and China?


That means China and India should have won about 10 World Cups between them if its all about population[/quote]We are comparing European countries that can play football and their involvement in other sports.

dayokanu: Any English tennis player can match boris becker and steffi graff or any basketballer can match Dirk Nowitzki

Any footballer can compare to Beckenbauer Gerd Muller or Rummenigge

What about:

Boxing?
Sprint? Remember Linford Christie
Rugby?
Cricket?
Track and Field?
Golf?
Etc

Britain won almost time 3 of the medals you guys won in the last olympic. (Let me check sef).

afrodoc: [/b]

Now they are too big and powerful?
Just a few posts ago you implied that they were weak and had used table soccer to win most of their medals.
make up your mind

Population and economy might na.

For sports Britain bench them.

dayokanu: If England is adding Scotland Wales and Ireland.

Should we also add France Holland and Austria to Germany.

Add what? When your population far outstrip the whole of GBP.
They should divide your country into two.



Population:

The whole of Britain is 60m

Germany is 80m

Yet most of the athletes are from England which is 50m.

Germany should be shred into smaller countries. Too big and powerful in Europe.

afrodoc: U dont even need to do that.
From 1960 to 1988 WEST Germany beat United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland in every olympic games table.
After unification Germany continued to beat them in every olympic game until the 2008 olympics.
That is 48 straight years of domination but as elampiro says it was all because of table soccer

Exactly, table soccer, temo and shooting.

Population:

The whole of Britain is 60m

Germany is 80m

Yet most of the athletes are from England which is 50m.

Germany should be shred into smaller countries. Too big and powerful in Europe.

dademola: Abeg wich kind of table soccer?? Shey na d one wey dem dey use bottle tops of coke, fanta etc as players??

Exactly. You use copper wire to arrange the goal post and sew a net round it to get the beauty. Then use a pencil and ruler o measure the field while you paste labeled coloured paper on the bottle covers as jersey.

afrodoc: [/b]


hahaha . are you for real?

Hahaha.

Those days there were plenty medals in shooting. Any one who worked for Hitler would definitely be a sharp shooter. Things like that that are no longer relevant.

afrodoc: LOL to judge the best in sports you use the olympics but to judge the best in football you dump the world cup and use the confederations cup
Can you see the anomaly in your reasoning?

Brazil is the best primarily on number of world cups won. But again the confederation kings. Champion of Champions.

In olympics, some useless games have been dropped. Now the real sports games played by many countries have been given priority. Table soccer and temo kind of sports which boosted weak countries in the past are gone forever. Now the real sports men are making statements.

afrodoc: LOL if you are talking about the last olypmics how can you then say Brazil is the best country in football?
How many world cups have been held since Brazil last won?
Your criterion is not consistent.

Brazil also is the holder of the last FIFA organized cup for champions of champions- Confederation cup. They beat Spain 3-0.

Moreover, football is a one game and it is easy to tell the best country. Unlike Sports generally, some games have been phased out while more medals given to some sports than others based on contemporary interests.

Those days it was easy to win many medals via shooting or playing temo.

afrodoc: LOL if you are talking about the last olypmics how can you then say Brazil is the best country in football?
How many world cups have been held since Brazil last won?
Your criterion is not consistent.

Brazil also is the holder of the last FIFA organized cup for champions of champions- Confederation cup. They beat Spain 3-0.

Moreover, football is a one game and it is easy to tell the best country. Unlike Sports generally, some games have been phased out while more medals given to some sports than others based on contemporary interests.

afrodoc: Since u mentioned Brazil as the best in football i assume when you are comparing these countries you are talking about overall performance in the olympics not performance in just the last one.
I believe you did not start watching the olympics 5yrs ago.

Olympic is a combination of many games, not just one. The British are gain complete dominance in some of the games. Now they triumphed twice. I guess they even beat Russia the last time.

It is not a one off victory in 2008. Two consecutive run meant they are here to stay. They are now a better Sports people than Germans.

On the other head, Brazil holds the confederation cup at the expense of Spain, the European champion.

afrodoc: Actually remove Germany from that list.
And if u take the time and effort to add olympic medals you will see just how wrong you are.
historically the Germans are the 3rd most successful in the last 3 to 4 decades after the Russians and Americans.
UK is not even close, their resurgence just started in 2008.

I was talking about last olympics. The British have taken over since 2008 and they are widening the gap.

dayokanu: Spain won the Euro cup in those 70yrs and recently won all the tournaments avalable. England has only won 1 trophy 45yrs ago




Seems you have a problem with English

Weah's career would not be rated based on his performance with Chelsea but for what he did with other clubs, Ronaldinho's career would not be rated based on his performance for Atletico Mineiro but what he did at earlier clubs

Same with Ballack and Shevchenko

I am talking about the world cup. Who cares about the Eufa which can sometimes fall into the hands of weaklers such as Greece.

afrodoc: not sure about that one bro.

How many gold medals did Germany win in last olympics? Compare with Britain. The British are stronger in the track and Swimming. May be even Basket ball and Golf.

[quote author=A-40]They are not the best at Cricket (SA) not the best at Rugby (NZ) so what really is your point?[/quote]You want us to go into details or elaborate? The British are better sports people than Spanish, Germans and Italians put together. Go and add all the gold medals of all the three whether they got close to what Britain won at the olympics. The British command some sports/games.

Italy, Germany, Spain are not the best in football. It's Brazil. So also England is the 2nd best in Cricket and one of the best in Rugby. In the tracks, the British are better too. I stop here for now.

What does Dayokanu & co enjoy in Bindesliga sef? Over 90% of their matches are not only boring but annoying. See Stuttgart vs Nurberg is like punishment to me. Every five minutes I saw was like I took 6 stroke of the cane. Now I ended with a body pain. It is tantamount to watching Kuwait U21 vs Venezuela U21.

I will rather see QPR vs Wigan.

[quote author=A-40]Loool his mate Djokovic is on 6 grand slams Nadal is on 13

We are waiting for England to make that statement[/quote]Same way England is waiting for the likes of Spain, Germany, Italy, etc to make any statements in Cricket, Rugby and other sports.

*** Don't Sound like they are so dull in Sports.

[quote author=A-40]Loool his mate Djokovic is on 6 grand slams Nadal is on 13

We are waiting for England to make that statement[/quote]Same way England is waiting for the likes of Spain, Germany, Italy, etc to make any statements in Cricket, Rugby and other sports.

dayokanu: Is that an admittance that you were schooled badly on how England is mediocre compared to other nations? Everyone knows this I am sure you even know this but just bought into the English hype machine. A country that hasnt played a major final in 45yrs shouldnt be rated higher than Hungary.



If thats what you understood it to be then you need to go back to school.

The point is Ballack, Torres, Shevchenko etc all had the best football of their life outside Chelsea and if you are talking of their career the Chelsea part would take the back burner

WHo would rate George Weah or Etoo based on what he played in Chelsea or rate Fernando Hierro based on his days at Bolton

Lampard would be rated by his time at Chelsea but those other players(except Drogba) cant

* 45 years for England. Spain were like over 70 years without a world cup yet they were never rated below Hungary or their players called over hype.

* I don get your point. Someone who didn't play in two teams is not gifted? Franco Baresi, Paolo Maldini, Messi are all a one team players.

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In the lawn tennis threads I saw people arguing that Andy Murray was overhyped by British media and that he would never win a grand slam or any major tourney. They said he had no skills etc and that they will drink poison if Murray won a grand slam.

In 2012 Summer I stayed up late to saw it all when he won USA open with such a flair. I quickly opened a thread about it and behold Murkina moved it to front page within minutes, if not seconds, even though it was about 2 am a night. On the thread haters said it was a fluke. Now he has shut them with a Wimbledon open.

We are going to have such soon in football. It look Spain 80 years to even make a statement.

Dayokanu, the snake had passed before you looked for the stick. I was already done with the argument and I won't waste time on it again.

You have succeeded in putting Lampard and Messi together. They only achieved in one club- Chelsea and Barca respectively. Thz ur logic.

I just saw on the EUFA website now. Rooney was named the official man of the match.

Also, goal.com, the guardian UK name him man of the match.

Goal.com did not even rate Kagawa any close to Rooney. It also blasted Kagawa's waste of two clear chances.

***** @starboard, I went into this investigation because of your statement.


**** Honesty, I don't know what some guys here have against Rooney. What do you want him to do again? He has played two UCL and he has given his all. I think I will stop reading you guys comments when I sense it's anti-Rooney.

Ibime: Every Chelsea fan knows the monumental achievements of the nigga.

From bitchslapping teams willy nilly in the noughties, decimating grounds like Nou Camp and Allianz to setting up two goals against Barca last year in UCL semifinal at the age of 34, Lampard is not to be messed with.

He set the standards that others aspire to. Even Fabregas had to copy his runs before he started scoringregularly. A ninja with 27 goals and 20 assists in 2010.

My point exactly. If Lampard is an over hyped, them Ballack, Drogba, Torres are overhyped times 100. Lampard outshone them all. Imagine what he did from a midfield position as compared to Drogba. Infact Lampard is under hype.

coogar: when all hopes seem lost in munich, who dug chelsea out from the grave muller placed them in? it was drogba



that 82 team were underachievers - they had what it takes to win that world cup but they chose a wrong match to drop form & paolo rossi made them pay. they played italy off the park but individual errors in the defence destroyed brazil.



portugal actually punch above their weights. you can only name 4-5 decent players in their team. same as argentina - they have not been producing top players lately. however, on paper, the english team looks promising but when push comes to a shove, they fail at the big stage.

Argentina has had the best team for some years now.

Tevez, Di Maria, Aguero, Mascherano, Messi, Zableta, Higuain, etc.

They have been having a better team and players than England for many years.

Porugal has no excuse to losing to Greece in the final of eufa 2006.

Every team has its time, England will come good in the future. You can never tell.

coogar: if almost all of them won champions league & they cannot transfer that form into the national team then they are underachievers. they should be doing better for the 3 lions - english league had the champions league competition in their pocket between 2005 & 2011. what did the players win for england in this period? nothing!!! they even failed to make euro 2008....



they don't deserve their ratings - in that period of champions league dominance, the foreign players were really the drivers of the success of english clubs. ronaldo for united, drogba for chelsea, henry for arsenal, hamann, alonso, garcia, etc for liverpool.

Drogba for Chelsea? What about Lampard and Cole?

Liverpool was had Gerald and Caragher. You did not mention them.

*** one of Brazil best squad ever did not win the world cup in 1982. Does it mean the players were not gifted technically? I am almost sure Ronaldo will never win anything in the national team. Messi may manage to go into retirement with just Copa America cup should Argentina win soon. Now these two are under achievers?