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See these guys o. Instead of bringing out players rating from credible sources, they are still pulling out sat of short backward passes.

Lest I forget. There is a third match. Man United vs Liverpool caputal1 cup. Rooney was officially the 2nd best player behind Johnny Evans while the fans gave it to Rooney as the fans best. You guys were quick to defend indomie that he was taken off when he started 'entering the game flow'. Lol. Some said he was match rusty. Someone who played Confed cup and preseason. But Rooney who has had four major injuries within 4 months does not deserved to be excused.

When you guys see Rooney on the field today, switch off you decoder and bench him in your PE14.

chrisley024: Rooney better than Kagawa against W'brom?

My guy, football is different from wrestling.
I know AV n Welbeck would be on ur 1st team list if u were United coach.

Remove Rooney's energy n drive n he's below average.

Wonder hw's gonna be when he turns 30. Would be better he's sold nw b4 then.

Rooney was our best player against West Brom until he got tired at 70th minute. He had many km in previous matches which tired him out. Get the expert match rating of players and you will see Kagawa was nonsense. Kagawa was giving away possession. The only sensible ball he played was when Rooney put him through with a clever pass on the left.

So now free kicks are not goals? Only genius score free kicks. Messi, Juninho, Drogba, Zico, Becham, Zidane, Pirlo, Neyman, Ronaldo.

How many Rooney's goals in the UCL are from free kicks? All his goals against the big teams are from open play.

Ogbeche77: Gollum substituted Kagawa in that West Brom game & they ran us over... Asides Rooney's freekick in that game, he was below par

The same way United became useless once Rooney left the pitch against Southampton. RVP, Carrick and co all became clueless. Aside the Rooney's created goal which RVP capitalised on, RVP was poo all afternoon.

coogar: rooney has 29 goals, 15 assists in 5930 mins in the champions league & someone said he's the deadliest asides messi or ronaldo?

1 goal every 204 mins?

chicharito has 1 goal every 170 mins
van persie has 1 goal every 155 mins.
that's just in man utd, i don't even need to mention other strikers in the other top clubs.

It is easy to have 1 goal in 10 mins when you are priotised to play against weak teams in group stage. SAF kept Rooney far away from cheap group matches once we were close to qualification. The big boys get their time against the likes of Bayern, AC Milan, Barca, Arsenal, Roma, Chelsea etc. Even Ahmed Musa scores EPL goals.

chrisley024: Drop ur facts on y u think he has been better than Kagawa?

Man United Vs West Brom Rooney was thousand miles ahead of Kagawa.

Man Untied vs Leverkusen, Rooney was a Zillion miles ahead of Kagawa.

Which one again have they played together?

I expect a natty gale to tell me indomie played on the left. But Janujaz has played on both left and right, then centre.

coogar: and you are a living proof your whorish mother should have swallowed you with a glass of alomo bitters instead of allowing you flagellate to her ovaries.

your gene pool needs to be chlorinated - you epitomise what every mother should never have as a son. when God was distributing intelligence, you were at the back of queue picking your nose!



this is stupidity at it's sterling quality....
statistics are fact & ozil was the best midfielder on show last night. he created the highest number of chances on the pitch. high passing accuracy & had arsenal taken their chances like dortmund, the result would have been different.



what has this gotta do with anything? welbeck, kagawa, etc when played in the hole for man utd show more ball retention ability than rooney. you said ozil was wack last night, the lie detector said you lied!!!



look at this dunderhead comparing the premier league to nigeria/ethiopia. passing accuracy is a means to an end. if you are not passing accurately then at least win your games. rooney is not passing well & he's not winning games - what the fück is he doing in the team stacking up £1m a month.

SAF said he's a slow learner - i guess that has put the argument to bed that rooney's IQ has a negative integer. he had it at the start of his career but the fat fück veered off!



mikel does not play as an attacking player - stop comparing apples & oranges. we are comparing rooney to his peers that also play behind a striker & he's the worst of the lot! next time, come with the facts instead of shooting your mouth about ozil!

We are talking about passing and pass accuracy. It is very logical to draw argument from all angles.

United might not be doing fine now, but Chelsea went through worse situation in two years with all their technically gifted stars. Last season Chelsea were passing accurately without wining games. Those stats are poo and they tell nothing about a player's ability. I guess stat also told us Valencia is our best dribbler.

dademola: wich records are u talking about?

Rooney has 2 goals and an assist from one UCL game.

Go back to UCL goal scoring form over the years and see for your self.

chrisley024: Cos of his poor form simple. We need guys d@ can help in ball possession n he is d opposite.

How many of our players are in better form? He is still better than Kagawa, Welbeck and co.

chrisley024: I'll go with 433

DGG

Rafa Vidic Evans Evra

Clev Carrick Ando

Nani VP Kagawa

sub: Amos, Janu, AV, Chicha, Rooney, Jones, Smalling.

What is the criteria for dropping Rooney from a UCL game. He is the deadliest in Europe behind Messi and Ronaldo. Go check your records and leave sentiments out. I hardly argue about pre-match team selection made here.

[quote author=SIR cum a lot]Everybody mentioned above aside Torres deserved the salary paid to them.[/quote]The Tevez I knew in the EPL was always a shadow of Rooney. Give Rooney the calibre of players Tevez had at City, you get over 30 goals every season.

RVP this term is living on past glory. He is getting close to being a pensioner.

coogar: ozil created 4 key passes, only one of them was from a setplay(the freekick near the byline when hummels upended giroud near the box).

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you musta watched your football on a 4-legged black & white TV.

The same way stats were showing us Ashley Young was our best midfield/wing player despite the obvious.

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Anyone who plays for Arsenal will surely have a high pass accuracy because of their style of play. Same we anyone who plays for Barca or the Ethopian national team. I guess anyone who plays for AC Milan can't boast of such accuracy in Europe.

Team members do not need high pass accuracy to win matches. Otherwise Ethiopia should have beaten Nigeria in the Nations cup and the last world cup qualify match. Barca should have been UCL champion and Spain Confederation cup champion.

The pattern of team play and the individual risk taking determines the pass accuracy. I am sure Mikel has a higher pass accuracy than those who now bench him, also he has it more than Yaya Toure.

montelik: @ £1m+ per month he better be. Na him ask for longer throat money, so he must deal with longer throat scrutiny.

RVP and Torres receives almost same pay. Tevez was in that category too.


Last season Hazard and Torres with all the pay almost finished below UCL cut off point.

coogar: they don't even slow down....
it's waves after waves of relentless attacks for 90 mins. the fitness level is 110%.



ozil struggled?
what seems like ozil struggling is better than whatever rooney has managed all season.

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the day rooney manages 86% pass completion for us, i would buy a ram for every man utd fan in this section.

I knew this will come up. This is nonsense in comparison to the game I saw tonight. Which one single chance did he create? Where there any through balls? He was playing too safe.

StarBoard: OK we have heard.
Ozil is rubbish, and Rooney is better than him.
Satisfied?

Is that the point?

The point is you people are so unfair to Rooney just because of Kagawa. Daz all.

Rooney is over scrutinized. Despite his form, I like his risk taking.

The way Ozil struggled tonight. If it were Rooney that could only manage a few short passes, Coogar and co will find bullets. No risk taking, no power run or drives. Just play safe.

Football is not always smooth.

Ogbeche77: You joking right? That dude hasn't played active footie since my niece was born

He has been declared fit since a month ago. We need to try him with Carling cup or late subs.

dademola: he was also horrible against westbrom! Hw can u blame januzaj and nani for rooney's poor form? A player looks outta sorts,and gets disposesd easily,and u r blaming nani and januzaj! Smh

He was very okay against West Brom until the 70th minute. At the time he was playing every match for and covering so much KM/H on the pitch. He even played three machetes in a week and obviously needed a rest.

Nani and Janujaz are very skillful but too individualistic in their style of play. With more games, they will begin to play with their team mates.

dademola: I'd rada see rooney as d "linkup" guy btwn MF and attack!! He has neva for once cme accross to me as a trequartista! Just like muller at bayern,He has neva, and wld neva be an "orchestrator", or d "true ball" kinda player. Castigating him for not "supplying through passes" is most unfair, wen it is a knw fact that;even in his best form, he has neva been knwn for such things! However, his present form is a major cause for concern! He doesnt look sharp at all, and d way he loses possession unneccesarily, is just annoying!! For a player who earns so much money, such performances are bound to get fans riled up! He just has to improve!

To me Rooney has only been poor against Sunderland and Southampton. Let someone help get his pass completion rate against Chelsea and Leverkusen.

It looks like he can't fit in with Janujaz and Nani's individualistic style of football. They don't make themselves available for a close unit team work.

coogar: SAF couldn't be aršed about rooney - he said rooney wanted out & he wasn't going to stop him.

See the two reports below:



And Ferguson - who steps down from his role as manager of the Red Devils at the end of the season - revealed after the game that the striker did not want to be involved in the Premier League clash due to having handed in a transfer request.

"I don't think Wayne was keen to play, simply because he has asked for a transfer," Ferguson told Sky Sports 1. "I think he wants to think it through in his mind - I think that's a good idea. We're not going to let him go.

"I think maybe he is a bit frustrated. He has been taken off once or twice in the past couple of weeks.''

http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/206913.html


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Rooney is going nowhere says Manchester United boss Ferguson

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Sir Alex Ferguson insists Wayne Rooney will still be at Manchester United next season.

Ferguson left Rooney out of the United line-up for Tuesday's Champions League defeat by Real Madrid, since when it has been suggested the Red Devils boss would be willing to accept an offer for the striker this summer.

However, speaking ahead of Sunday's FA Cup quarter-final with Chelsea, Ferguson said: "He will be here next year, you have my word on that. There is no issue between myself and Wayne Rooney. To suggest we don't talk is nonsense."

He went on: "He understood the reasons completely. Tactically we got it right. We don't always but we did then.

"There are no issues with the player and he will be involved on Sunday.

"I left out Shinji Kagawa after he scored a hat-trick. I thought I would get more stick for that."

Ferguson refused to say whether Rooney would actually start on Sunday.

And he again repeated his belief that the 27-year-old needed to play matches in order to retain full fitness, an assessment that has raised so much debate over the past few days.

"Why should I help anyone by telling them my team? We don't do that," said Ferguson.

"But Wayne does need a lot of football. He has always been that type. That has always been the case."

http://www.football.co.uk/manchester_united/rooney_is_going_nowhere_says_manchester_united_boss_ferguson_rss3820705.shtml

coogar: isn't that the reason fergie wanted sneijder after the CL final in 2010/11 & then bought kagawa in 11/12? rooney is not good enough as a centre forward & he's worthless as a trequartista



this is why rooney should leave - i am sure that was fergie's concept & the reason he must have bought kagawa. rooney lacks the tact, vision & the incisive passing ability of players like mata, oscar, ozil, coutinho or eriksen.

But remember even SAF told Rooney he won't be released.

I guess Mata and Oscar were less creative than Rooney last season.

dayokanu: Rooney is not a player for the hole but due to his stature he is being forced to play there

The player in the hole needs to have excellent ball holding ability and passing too.

Playing a Rooney as the man in the hole turns the system to 4-4-2

Nowadays a 4-2-3-1 beats a 4-4-2 if the players have similar skillset because it overloads and outnumber the midfield and starve the 2 strikers in the 4-4-2

How do you reconcile the fact that Rooney has played in the same position since he was 16 and the whole world believes he is one of the best to have ever played there?

afrodoc: LOL see to and fro abi na back and forth?
this thread don dey lose focus small small

I think this tactics and formation debate makes sense. It attempts to bring out some of the problems in the team.

GustavoFring: Compare and Contrast Man Utd and Arsenal.

They both play 4231, they both have a striker and a 10.

The difference is, when Ozil has the ball, Giroud is moving towards him to receive the pass and hold up play before passing into space

When Rooney has the ball, RVP is moving away from him to find space for a shot.

RVP's approach makes it harder to retain possesion as he is more interested in the final ball,rather than the build up itself.

The difference? Giroud currently has 4 goals and 4 assists in 8 games while RVP only has 4 goals and no assists in 7 games.

With regards to team performance, it means that the goal scoring burden at utd lies squarely on RVP's shoulders and when he's not scoring, no one is.

No doubt he is a fantastic scorer, but he will not operate well in a 4231. He is more suited to a 433

As a manager, I would prefer to have a free-scoring team instead of a free scoring striker.

This made a lot of sense to me. But RVP cannot be on the bench, you have to look at his goal scoring for Holland.


These debates (proRooney vs antiRooney) is making sense. Both arguments are okay.

Rooney playing close to RVP, whose fault? How are we sure it isn't the coach tactics? In our games against Chlesea, Crystal Palace, WestBrom, Leverkusen, Rooney didn't play so close to RVP or the number 9. Only the last two games. So I don't know if there was a change in tactics. But Nani and Janujaz play more individually than the other flank players, perhaps the reason Rooney and RVP are made to look like fools on the pitch.

Overall, I like a formation where everyone will be involved in the build up, and not a chicharito kind of striking formation.

If Man United can beat Stoke City, we will start closing the gap because the teams above us will start having difficult fixtures starting from meeting between City and Chelsea.
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One thing we can do in the interim is to play as a close unit just as Arsenal does. Arsenal moves enmass with the ball from the defence area or midfield. With plenty exchange of short passes as they move into the opponents area, then they swiftly explore any openings. When the ball is lost, they easily recover because of the close play. Currently United spread so widely on the pitch. The defence is deep. The wingers are on the extreme flanks. The two strikers are isolated in the middle of the attack while there's virtually no support from the two midfielders. This is how Madrid played under Mourinho. It requires lots of running from the whole team to make any sense.

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I think I was satisfy with the defesive line up against Southampton. Next time Moyes will want too play Smalling, Vidic, Ferdinand. The rotation is not really good for us.

They should give Kagawa a start on Wednesday. I would like to see him in that middle position so talked about so that I can assess him over several games (big and small teams).

Rooney is definitely not going to play in the hole all season. Not possible.

What about Man United adopting the Chelsea and City pattern of having their forwards move around freely and zigzagly? We are even too predictable- RVP 9, Rooney 10, Nani/Val 7, Janujav/Kagawa 11.

The difference between City and Chelsea on one hand and United on the other is the fact that unlike the other clubs, United has less number of midfielders and forwards who can beat a man so easily as well as add goals. From our midfield to attack, only Janujaz and Nani can dribble with ease. In City- Silva, Nasri, Aguero, Toure can do that easily. While in Chelsea- Hazard, Ramires, Oscar, and may be Mata can all dribble.

For us to be successful, we need one or two more dribblers with speed. One of such from the midfield and another in the wing or hole. Rooney gave a sign against Leverkusen, after then he went to sleep. Kagawa in Japan vs Italy showed a massive potential but he did it from the left side of the field. We have Zaha, but I am not a fan of playing too many young lads.

By January Moyes should act wisely and fearlessly. By then all the weaknesses should have been exposed.


*** Valencia usually have more dribbles than anyone. But I want to consider most of his own as out pacing opponents.

*** Adnan and Nani currently are the only ones dribbling and retaining the ball thereafter with ease. With three of four of such, we can actually lock the ball for a long while.

SEGAD: @Elampiro, I understand your love for Rooney,but sincerely the guy poor performance is affecting the whole team greatly. The problem is not really Rooney but DM.

With time we can be able to draw that conclusion. The reason:


1. He missed some games and we were still very poor.
2. He played a vital role in our win over Leverkusen, Crystal palace and Liverpool. He gave two assists against Swansea. The win against Sunderland can be credited to Janujaz.
3. How was it his fault that we conceded a late goal on Saturday. One nil was not bad for a team trying to find its rhythm, even in 2007/8 /9 seasons with Ronaldo, Tevez, Scholes and Berba we won many games with 1-0 or 2-1.
4. How was it his fault that Ferdinand, Janujaz and Carrick made us concede two goals in our 1-2 loss at OT to West Brom.
5. Rooney was missing in two key matches, why was Kagawa not picked? Possibly he is not in form.

Last season Chelsea was in a similar position even with Hazard, Mata, Oscar and Moses. With time they find a solution. We talk about the hole role. Can you point to me who plays in the hole in Liverpool? Sturridge, Moses and Suarez are all workaholic. Why is RVP not involved in attacking creativity? The last two games saw a slightly different formation where RVP and Rooney appear to play freely on the 9 and 10, but I don't know why RVP work less among the forward players. He was not like this at Arsenal.

The next couple of games will help me arrive at a conclusion.

Montelik, How does the above change the fact?

Rooney missed some games. How did we fare without him? I guess RVP played those games. I guess both also played in our 5 wins so far (except RVP missed in our win against Liverpool)

Anyone on the number 10 now will suffer until a working formula is sorted out.

elampiro: I am not out for endless argument. My believe is that except things and tactics click for the whole team, anyone on the number 10 will find it hard to deliver. Look at it also that Rooney has missed some games and it was still hard for us. Shaktar and Liverpool.

RVP is also highly paid between 180-220k. This season's United 5 wins in the league, Capital1 cup and UCL, he has not contributed more than Rooney. Even when the goals are not coming, he isolates himself with just a few touching of the ball. Suarez and Sturridge are almost equally involved in team play.

I read somewhere that RVP actually earns between 220-250K.

Now Janujaz is playing better than both guys.

I am not out for endless argument. My believe is that except things and tactics click for the whole team, anyone on the number 10 will find it hard to deliver. Look at it also that Rooney has missed some games and it was still hard for us. Shaktar and Liverpool.

RVP is also highly paid between 180-220k. This season's United 5 wins in the league, Capital1 cup and UCL, he has not contributed more than Rooney. Even when the goals are not coming, he isolates himself with just a few touching of the ball. Suarez and Sturridge are almost equally involved in team play.

coogar: except that if rooney had scored from the chances he had on saturday, the goal conceded would have been an academic point. chelsea & arsenal conceded on saturday & still won by a huge margin.

you sometimes reason like a child.

How many chances did he miss that did not lead to goal eventually? This season alone RVP missed from one yard with the goal keeper beaten. RVP missed from 5 yards in our penultimate league match and we still won 2-1. In the last 10 minutes of that match, Rooney and Valencia kept the ball with short passes. We won many matches that way in 2007/8 and 8/9 seasons with 1-0 nil. Situations can never be the same. Successive victories boost confidence which eventually lead to healthy results.

We can even conclude that if Rooney didn't play, we should have been 2 goals down in the first place. Why do we usually concede when he leaves the pitch?

dademola: bros, frm dis post of urs, it's evident that u hav challenges with deciphering simple texts written in simple english....wich i find appalling and disturbing!! I hav stated it repeatedly dt rooney has been poor for d past 3 games and i shud probably be dropped to d bench, bt dt rooney's poor form isnt d only problem with d team, as most of d players are also struggling, coupled with d apparently incompetent manager we hav!! U say der was no service to RVP at anfield! Was it rooney's fault? Did rooney play dat day?? Arent u d one shooting urself in d foot here?? U come here questioning anoda person's educational background, yet u continue making statements that r bereft of logic and deductive reasoning!!

I tried to reason with them but the problem with Starboard and Coogar is that the write like they have a personal real life issues with Rooney outside football. How can a whole team dismal performance been pinned on one man. It makes nonsense of their argument. Can a number 10 be the reason we conceded at Anfied, or conceded in Ukraine. Rooney had left the field before we conceded on Saturday and even against Leverkusen. The back is not working, wings are not working, midfield is weak and the top 9 is not as prolific as last season. United has conceded more goals than any of the top half teams. Some guys put it on Rooney.

They can still claim to be analysts?