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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:14pm On Oct 07, 2013
afrodoc: Does your reply make any sense to you?
I don't know. Tell me na.

Had Pogba been so relevant, he's should have sent Scholes and Giggs away since, just as Rafael sent Neville and Brown away since.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:09pm On Oct 07, 2013
Janujaz is getting set to be given a contract between 30-60k pounds from 1k. Even Rooney and Kagawa have to fear for their position.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:05pm On Oct 07, 2013
afrodoc: Pray tell how was Pogba one of the reasons Scholes came back?
Ask Rafael and Janujaz who refused to be pushed to the background.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:00pm On Oct 07, 2013
From the preseason, Anderson+ Cleverly in the midfieldn then Rafael, Smalling/evans, Jones and Evra in defence had demolished everything on their path with their athleticism until the the setting collapsed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:53pm On Oct 07, 2013
Fletcher was the only midfielder who gave us stability after Anderson and Cleverly partnership bowed to injury. But sickness took him away.

From the preseason, Anderson+ Cleverly in the midfieldn then Rafael, Smalling/evans, Jones and Evra in defence had demolished everything on their path with their athleticism until the the setting collapsed.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:44pm On Oct 07, 2013
afrodoc: nice post by Purist.

Like i said i would never blame Sir Alex for the Morrison issue.SAF is a manager not a magician and if he along with senior team mates, magistrates and experienced professionals like psychologists,youth counselors etc failed to rid the boy of his demons who are we to castigate them.
The best thing that could have been done to save him as a human being never mind a footballer was to separate him from those local influences that had dominated his decision making since childhood.

Pogba is another issue, i don't think there is any justification for losing the boy.
Elampiro is it the midfield that was so dire that Fergie had to recall Scholes from retirement that you say looked like dominating Europe?
You must have been looking through rose tinted glasses cheesy


Luckily it seems they have learnt their lesson, heard they are offering Januzaj a very good deal now.Hope the boy stays grounded
Was Pogba not part of the reasons Scholes returned?

After Anderson and Cleverly, SAF tried a lot of things and we were sinking until Scholes returned to pair Carrick in January.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:41pm On Oct 07, 2013
chamotex: Na wa o
Pogba was not capable of breaking into the team at the end of 11/12 but was capable at the start of 12/13.
How much of Pogba did you watch in those days?

We had the midfield to rule Europe that was why Scholes was recalled from retirement. Do you even re-read stuffs you type?

No one expected him to be starting but a few substitute appearances here and there would have been sufficient enough.
For that Blackburn game, Fergie played Rafael and Park in CM...how degrading was that?
That was the day he should have been unleashed.
If I was him I wouldn't even want to train any longer after that day
Where did I mention at the end of 11/12?

Secondly I watched Pogba very well. His talent was nothing more than latent at the time. He was just turning, turning without maturity. Someone should tell me where exactly we should have played Progba in the hot title race of 2011/12?

Lastly, his agent did not give United any chance.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:10pm On Oct 07, 2013
StarBoard: And I'm guessing you don't see Juventus to realise that the boy would have given us an extra dimension in midfield.
But then you don't see other things (apart from Rooney), so we will let it pass.
And by the way, the manager is paid to get decisions right. That the manager in question was SAF doesn't excuse him from being held accountable for petty and sloppy gaffes such as the Pogba issue.
Has Juventus won a UCL that their midfield should be our benchmark?

Pogba was bent on leaving and there was little United could have done. I repeat, we had a midfield which appeared to have the potential of ruling Europe (Anderson+Cleverly, then Carrick, Fletcher and Park). Pogba couldn' have broken into the team at that point and SAF didn't know things would get bad with some players.

Also, SAF has always said that he was inspired more by players who declared interest for the club. Everyone is principled and his principles made him.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:02pm On Oct 07, 2013
chrisley024: Pogba didn't have d capability of breaking into our 1st team?!
How many games did he even play? If u keep judging young players this way, then, none will be promoted.

So we have a better mid than Juve where he walked straight into?
Pogba was not capable of breaking into our 1st team of 2011/12. Had he waited for 12/13 he could have gotten a chance.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:05pm On Oct 07, 2013
Fellaini is out till December.

Anderson having another chance to prove himself.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m):
Syncan: I have told you severally to stop saying what is not. Is this not what you posted?

"Rosica noted that Eugenio Scalfari, 89, “did not tape his interview with Pope Francis, nor did he take notes, so the text was an after-the-fact reconstruction.” He pointed out that “such texts run the risk of either missing some key details or conflating various moments or events recounted during the oral interview.” He acknowledged, however, that Scalfari “has stated that he showed the text to Francis for his approval” but, he said, “it’s not clear how closely the Pope read it.”"
You obviously did not read the original interview where it was stated categorically that the Pope read the report before it was published.

If this paper had at any time previously misquoted Pope Francis in the previous controversial interview, would he had granted another to them?

Let's not embellish the obvious.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:56am On Oct 07, 2013
This Pogba saga is now over flogged and sometimes it is like you guys don't credit SAF with a common sense. If Barca could lose Thiago to Bayern who said we should be able to retain every quality young lad. Pogba's agent must have advised him to set straight for where he would be guaranteed a first team football. When Pogba played for us at the beginning of 2011/12 season, he didn't have the capability of breaking into our first team. I think that was when Anderson and Cleverly gave a formidable partnership while we had Fletcher, Carrick, Park, Rooney, Young as senior players who were well balanced.

SAF must not always get things 100% right. Same SAF scouted Jones, Smalling, Janujaz and Zaha. He bought Kagawa and RVP despite the availability of Welbeck and Chicharito.

Let's let it pass.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:35am On Oct 07, 2013
I heard you very well.

I guess you read in that interview published that the Pope personally proof read the report before it was published.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:31pm On Oct 06, 2013
[quote author=Ubenedictus][/quote]A pope who criticizes Jesus' church of teaching uncoordinated doctrines deserves to be scrutinized and criticized.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:26pm On Oct 06, 2013
Ubenedictus: what does this prove?
I can sense some cracking in loyalty. .
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 12:41pm On Oct 06, 2013
10/ 5/2013 

Cardinals deny that Bergoglio hesitated in accepting his election as Pope



Cardinals at the conclave deny that Bergoglio hesitated and left the Sistine Chapel to reflect before accepting his election”, as reported in the Scalfari interview



Gerard O’Connell
Rome

Cardinals have categorically denied that Cardinal Jorge Mario Bergoglio hesitated in accepting his election as Pope, according to Father Thomas Rosica, who was assistant to the Director of the Holy See’s Press Office, Fr Federico Lombardi, for the Anglophone media during the Conclave and has continued informally in that role since.

In a briefing note to English speaking media, October 5,  Rosica sought to respond to concerns expressed by journalists regarding “the ‘conflation’ of  facts, details, and sequence of events” in  Eugenio Scalfari “interview” with Pope Francis which was published in the Italian daily,  La Repubblica, on October 1. He did so after contacting reliable sources.

He recalled that while Fr. Lombardi, “has attested to the overall ‘trustworthiness’ of the Scalfari interview”, questions continued to be raised by journalists about “some minor, imprecise details” in that interview, and in particular regarding Pope Francis’s “hesitation in accepting the election to the papacy” and his “so-called ‘mystical experience’, on the night of his election to the Papacy, March 13, 2013.

Rosica noted that Eugenio Scalfari, 89, “did not tape his interview with Pope Francis, nor did he take notes, so the text was an after-the-fact reconstruction.”  He pointed out that “such texts run the risk of either missing some key details or conflating various moments or events recounted during the oral interview.”  He acknowledged, however, that Scalfari “has stated that he showed the text to Francis for his approval” but, he said, “it’s not clear how closely the Pope read it.”

In any case, Rosica said, “Cardinals who witnessed the events have categorically stated that the newly elected Pope never left the Sistine chapel for a period of reflection before finally accepting the papacy other than his entering the “Room of tears” for vesting. There was never any indication of hesitation, a need for serious reflection on the election that had taken place, or rethinking what had befallen him! ”

It is significant that Rosica speaks of “cardinals” in the plural, meaning more than one had been consulted.  In a separate report also published on October 5 on the US Catholic weekly, the National Catholic Reporter,  John L. Allen reports that Cardinal Timothy Dolan, in an interview, also denied the story that Cardinal Bergoglio hesitated in accepting his election as Pope.   Dolan said Francis accepted immediately and then left the Sistine Chapel to vest in ‘the room of tears’

As for the so-called “mystical moment” of Pope Francis which Scalfari presents in the interview, Father Rosica believes “this is most probably referring to the moment of prayer in the Pauline Chapel.”

He revealed how “that moment is clearly explained in an exclusive interview” given by Monsignor Dario Viganò, the Director of the Vatican Television Centre, to Canada’s ‘Salt and Light TV’ in June 2013. The interview will be broadcast in Canada this Sunday evening, October 6, and in it Mgr. Vigano “tells what transpired in the Pauline Chapel as Pope Francis prayed before walking with his brother Cardinals to the loggia for his first appearance to the world.”

http://vaticaninsider.lastampa.it/en/the-vatican/detail/articolo/francesco-francis-francisco-28373/
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:23pm On Oct 06, 2013
elampiro: Andnan Januzaj. This was how CR7, Neymar and Giggs started. This guy will rule Old Trafford. When I watched him today I told myself he will be great. He was every where trying out great things.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYc_BwbtY4E
The above was my reaction after I saw Januzaj in his first game for the 1st team in the preseason.

Montenlik said then that we should not kill the boy with hype.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:33am On Oct 06, 2013
Sometimes it is hard typing from a mobile phone. I am not using my laptop now.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:31am On Oct 06, 2013
chamotex: grin grin grin grin
There was a mistake there. I meant Janujaz did NOT have to rely on Rooney.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:29am On Oct 06, 2013
@nitrogen, that is how that young man has always played. Left, right and centre. I praised him during the preseason, but the poor results made us lose confidence about the young guys. But as I have always said- one or two young guys at a time.

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Fellaini has a wrist injury and the manager said there is a cause to worry. The scan will be done tomorrow.


.....

Man United has conceded less goals only than Newcastle, Sunderland and Palace.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:24am On Oct 06, 2013
David Moyes:
"I thought we played well with the exception of the opening five or 10 minutes. I am pleased we have won, I am not going to get too excited. At the moment we scored, we needed it but I wasn't getting too low. I thought it was exciting and I enjoyed it today."

On Adnan Januzaj: "He is a wonderful player, he is someone who we think a lot of. I have tried to get him in the team over the last few weeks but for various reasons it did not happen.

"He is a really good player, he can do most things and play in lots of different positions. He is a real talent. I gave Wayne Rooney and Ross Barkley their debuts at Everton and he is certainly in their category too."

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1.Adnan Januzaj is eligible to play for 6 countries: Belgium, Albania, Turkey, Serbia, Kosovo and England. The first ever player with such status.
2.A left-footed floater in the midfield, the 18-year-old was scouted by Man United from Anderlechts academy in 2011. United beat Barcelona in the race to sign this youngster for just £297,000.

3. Born on Feb 5, Adnan shares his birthday with Carlos Tevez, Neymar and former United No.7 Cristiano Ronaldo.

4. Adnan Januzaj was also awarded with Reserves Player of the Season at the end of last season.

5. “Adnan is a beautifully balanced player. He’s only 18 and still to grow into his frame. But he has good balance, good acceleration and he’s a very good technical player.” – Sir Alex, on the Belgian’s promising attributes.

6. Sir Alex recently rewarded him a first team jersey (No.44) as he made an appearance on the bench for the manager’s last ever EPL game against West Brom. Moyes on the other hand has already hinted the Belgian’s inclusion in the plans for the upcoming season.

7. He played a stellar role in the final against Tottenham Hotspur helping them come from 2 goals behind to seal the Reserves Premier League title 2012-13.

8. His free-kick remains to be one of his best assets on the football field. Although, he wants to be known as a creative spark that can change a game single-handedly.

9. Moyes is rumoured to have tabled a new long-term deal for Adnan that could avoid another Pogba-esque exit.

10. Januzaj was trending worldwide on twitter for the 90 minutes during United’s first pre-season game against Singha All-Stars XI. That’s some evidence of his impact on the game!

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Januzaj for England! Moyes confirms FA have been in contact over United star playing for the Three Lions

David Moyes has confirmed teenage match-winner Adnan Januzaj is wanted by England.

The Belgium-born 18-year-old marked his full debut for the club with a decisive double as United came from behind to beat Sunderland 2-1 at the Stadium of Light.

His performance prompted former England international Gary Lineker, who was watching the game at the BBC studios with England manager Roy Hodgson, to tweet that he could qualify for England in 2015.

.........
Michael Carrick, speaking about Adnan Januzaj:
"He is at the right place and he is going to learn an awful lot here. He has a great chance, he has really gone up a level over pre-season."
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m): 10:27am On Oct 06, 2013
Ubenedictus: my traditional latin mass tomorrow starts by 8am.
Goodnite
It looks like you are a priest?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:21am On Oct 06, 2013
@Coogar, I don't think it is right to blame RVP failure to score on Rooney.

RVP will come back scoring as Moyes help the players to work out winning ways.

Janujaz did have to rely on Rooney. RVP also missed from the clearest assist provided by Valencia.

Above all, after two successive seasons of goals spree, RVP will be the most marked player this season. Himself and Rooney should work out something. But their presence yesterday took away three defenders from Sunderaland and Evra had a chance to run in freely.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:13am On Oct 06, 2013
I am back. I thought when I returned this thread would have turned 5 pages. It looks like it runs more when we lose. I took a break last night.

1. Coogar, when did I say Hart has been better than De Gea this season?

2. Demola, what do you mean Rooney was 100% rubbish? Is that how to analyze a match?

3. Someone said Rooney was 74% while Januzaj was 80%. It is normal in soccer. The presence of Rooney and RVP helped Janujaz to explore as those two locked themselves in the box while drawing 3 defenders away from the rest players. I need to see the match again to properly analyze what they were trying to do. Both of them covered very little kilometers and they were supposed to be our best players. Even when Rooney had off days he had never been short of work rate as we had yesterday. But I don't know all details from the dressing room because RVP is carrying a toe injury while Rooney managed to recover from a sheen injury. Perhaps Moyes wanted them in at all cost to get a result. The season is long so let's see how everyone fares. Even Kagawa will return from his behind the scene work out to add his own.

- De Gea made a super save that should have ended the match for us.

- Cleverly did many direct tackles and played very well. If only that last minute clearance from the 18 had fallen on Valencia or Welbeck to outpace every Sunderland player for an empty goal.

-Rafael is always a spark while going forward.

- Nani's presence means we can retain the ball better and he can beat a man. Nani and Janujaz performance meant we were always going to dislodge the opponents. However, both contributed to the reason we came under pressure at times.

- Evra had one of his better performance as compared to some other games, but even though he provided the first goal and looked dangerous going forward, his crosses were weak while his defence techniques caused panic at the back in the first half.

- Rooney had his worst game this season. He usually sat around the box in most part of the first half. He gave the ball away often. However, he can be credited for blocking a shot that could have earn Sunderland a draw, his free kick in the first half was good such that a little touch could have sent it in. To me, he was useful when we needed to hold possession towards the end of the match. I give my guy benefit of doubt because I know his ability.

- RVP. Everyone knows what he can do in goal scoring, perhaps things have not been right yet as Moyes tries to get a working formula.

- Jones was good. Although he gave a ball away that could have led to us chasing 0-2 he did well to recover with so much speed and strength. Outside that he was very okay.
- Vidic may have given goal away again. But in Vidic I trust. His lack of speed can be compensated with Jones speed in chasing strikers.

Valencia and Welbeck introduction mean that Moyes wanted to ensure there wouldn't be defensive lapses. Valencia ended up creating the best chance all evening. Welbeck's strength meant he will run and drive the ball to the opponents area while helping to defend in the midfield.

- Now, where will Fellaini be useful? I think Anderson is history (I may be wrong).

There was a way RVP and Rooney played in the first half. It was confusing to me. RVP appeared to have dropped behind Rooney for the greater part. Sometimes the leveled and waited both for crosses from Nani, Evra and Janujaz. Januzaj went to the middle and the left side became empty except when Evra ran forward. If our two big men lock themselves in the box I don't know what tactics that was. The future will tell.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:28pm On Oct 05, 2013
StarBoard: He was just living up to his rep as a gifted mis-yarner.
coded guy says Belgium and England have been merged.
That seems a more logical explanation though I'm wondering who could have done that:FIFA President or UN Secretary General.
Say what you wanna say.

People got what I meant.

They said Man United favour English players. So I was indirectly asking if Janujaz was an English player to have been favoured today. But an English player in Zaha was left out.

Same way with Everton loss today with Martinez in charge. Yet it was Moyes team he has been using to win and everyone had forgotten about that. Season has not gone far and Moyes was already seen as the problem of Everton, even though he had finished 4th in the past.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:22pm On Oct 05, 2013
dademola: bros, rooney was our worst playa today. Admit it and move on. If twas kagawa dt played d way rooney did 2day, he wld hav been criticized too
I already criticised Rooney. But you guys should know I have never criticized Kagawa after match. Just look back. I have never done that immediately after match because I am still studying him. Although I have argued against him when I see antiRooney comments.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Oct 05, 2013
Kagawa wouldn't have produced such performance?

I have seen such before from Kagawa.

However, why do we always mention Kagawa as if Rooney was his problem.

An 18 years old came started from the left and was not in the game. He used his initiative to move to the middle to displace Rooney and RVP from the hole. A Kagawa would just be on the left and unable to get past his man.

Janujaz and Nani went out, Kagawa was still not considered. Moyes has said clearly that he is working with Kagawa to gain the required fitness.


chamotex: People have mentioned it...go and sit down abeg



You can not be redeemed any longer. I wash my hands off you sad sad
Did he not do those stuff towards the end? I rightly criticized him. I am not a supporter of poor performers. So I criticized his performance already, but he also did a few good things as I have mentioned while also put into consideration he barely pass match fitness for this encounter.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:09pm On Oct 05, 2013
Thank God for three points.

Thanks to De Gea and Janujaz for the victory.

Agreed Rooney was unimpressive today. I would have loved Kagawa to come in at half time.

No one has mentioned RVP miss on face me I face you with the goalkeeper (if na Rooney this thread for don close). RVP also played behind Rooney in most part of first half, what did he do from the hole?

Rooney helped us kept the ball (possession)at the tail end while saving an obvious direct shot from the box straight at the goal. Who knows what should have happened had Rooney not block it.

I can have a sweet two weeks now before next fixtures.
Christianity Etc › Re: An Exclusive Interview With Pope Francis by elampiro(m):
[b]]Pope Francis has not taught in line with CCC and tradition.

The CCC never said people should not constantly preach against homosexuality, abortion and contraceptives. How can anyone say preaching is too much?

The CCC never said we should tell that pagans are fine without Jesus.

The CCC never said this: "It is not possible to interfere spiritually in the life of a person (unbelievers)"- Pope Francis.

The CCC never said we should go to confession and not ask of forgiveness of our sins but to hand over our sins to Jesus while promising Him to sin again. This statement by Pope Francis is just directly opposite to the confession fomular, act of contrition and the I confess to 'Almighty God'. The confession is through our most grievous fault and a promise never to sin again.

The CCC did not rubbish the previous Popes and members of the curia.


I have given up on you people for your notorious ways of defending the obvious anticatholic and antichristian teachings of Pope Francis. You people are used to "this is what the Pope really said". Helping the Pope to be Pope. You people love the Pope more than the Church and the gospel of Jesus. I will rather defend the gospel of Jesus than follow lies.
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:35pm On Oct 05, 2013
If Janujaz seem better operating from the middle. But his lack of experience is showing. May be Rooney should drift to the left to relieve Evra while allowing RVP to stay in the box alone. The problem has to do with getting quality ball into the box, but in terms of creativity, we have been fine.

Nani has been very good, but he doesn't do well when dropped to help Rafael at the back.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:29pm On Oct 05, 2013
I don't know what to say.

The early goal unsettled us, and we are already nervous. I don't understand the arrangement of Rooney and RVP. The playmaker is left for Janujaz, Although Janujaz has done very well, his final decision are not right in half of the time.

Rooney and RVP are locked in the box looking for the pass from either Janujaz or Evra or Nani.

Kagawa should be brought in the second half.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:28pm On Oct 05, 2013
SailorXY: @Elampiro, how many chances has the No. 10 managed to create with all our possession?
Rooney did not start from the number 10. RVP did. RVPplayed behind Rooney for most part of first half.

Although Rooney has not been impressive.

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