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coogar: it was packed with defenders but hernandez is the master of losing his markers. all those tiny movements he does before the ball gets to him confuse defenders.

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i guess this one was cheap too, isn't it?

I can see anything. My phone network is poor at the moment and I am not near my laptop.

coogar: so why didn't rooney head it back into play? if van persie didn't follow-up on the attack, that could have been another wasted chance. scoring from that position is very easy - it's all about technique, direction & power.


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watch from 3.50 and see how hernandez took 2 steps forward & then backwards to lose his marker. he didn't just get to the position to nod. rooney on the other hand stood like a statue expecting the ball.

*** Rooney needed to try his luck from an impossible position. He did excellently well considering the effort and the number of Stoke defenders in the box.

*** Chicha was able to do that because the 18 box was discongested. Rooney was the only player who made a meaningful header or an attempt on Stoke goals when their 18 was congested with tall defenders. Again he scored Stoke from a corner kick. That is like climbing the tallest mountain on earth. You know the name.

elrony: The bolded is not entirely true...watch the direction chicha put on d ball...
I can recall some top strikers heading straight to d direction of d GK,or prolly off-target even at dat position!!

Even Hernadez has missed such chances in the past. Chances have probabilities. Whoever thought RVP will miss an empty net from one yard or Messi missed a clear chance yesterday he is known for scoring 9 out of 10.

To me Chicha's goal was cheap. The 18 box was not packed with defenders and the cross was perfect such that there little effort needed.

coogar: post the match stats - possession, territorial advantage, pass completion for both sides, etc. moyes left giggs on the pitch for 73 mins.....we had conceded since the 4th minute & moyes waited & waited before ringing the changes - any smart manager would have hauled off giggs at half time.....




similar position -
this is why hernandez gets goals - he lost his marker....when an aerial view showing hernandez's goal is posted as a gif, i would post it here. hernandez simply made off the ball movements before evra's cross to lose his marker.......rooney had no such poaching instincts & headed across begovic when he should have planted the header down near post.



hernandez would have scored the chance rooney missed leading to the first goal. hernandez made that chance for himself - he didn't just get there, he lost his marker.....

Scoring from that position has a odd of 1/9. Even CR7 misses from there. Only on a miracle will anyone beat the Sole goalkeeper from there. Many strikers will only manage to head that ball back into play. Rooney did absolutely well.

coogar: hernandez didn't score from the middle of the goal, he scored from the far side but he positioned himself well for the cross.....

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elampiro, stop lying....

You are the one who lied. Where was the position of the ball when Chicha headed, then what was the position of the ball when Rooney headed? What was the position of the marker, how close was the obstruction? What was the position of the goalkeeper. What is the amount of stretching from the player who headed?

Put the above into consideration and you will see that even a pregnant woman will score Chicha's header once she was there. Meanwhile, Rooney's goal was the most difficult yesterday- the equalizer 2-2 .

coogar: we outplayed liverpool @ anfield - they scored from a corner & de gea didn't have a save to make after then. moyes lost us the game as he didn't make the right subs & the timing of his subs were awful.

All these are lame excuses. The games we could have won that Moyes made mistakes were West Brom and Southampton. Add 1hr to the Liverpool game to 150 minutes, hey would still pocket the 3 points.

coogar: he should have scored from that position - he had a free header. hernandez scored the winner from a similar position.

What! How can you compare Hernadez header from the middle of the goal with keeper already wrong footed to Rooney's tightest of angle header when he had to stretch to his limit after the ball beat a tall defender.

You just hate Rooney for nothing.

coogar: the defence need to be played for a run of games to form an understanding. however, moyes would ring 2-3 changes again at the back & the consistency would suffer another set back.



the midfield problem is rooney's problem. rooney wants 4-4-2. all the other 19 teams in the premier league are playing 4-2-3-1. our midfield 2 get swamped by 3 or sometimes 4 central midfielders & we get overpowered.

to get any sort of consistency in that midfield, rooney must either drop back in the hole or leave him out of the game or drop RVP for rooney so another player can play in the hole.

4-4-2 will struggle to win any game in the premier league these days especially when our wingers' form is poor.

I guess too Rooney was the reason Liverpool overpowered our midfield. Rooney left the field against Leverkusen and Southampton and we conceded in both.

A midfield that is bad is bad.

coogar: £70m works at £280k per week. only ronaldo & messi deserve such wages. offload rooney & buy falcao or bring ronaldo back.



RVP was outstanding yesterday - he laid the pass to nani, ran 37 yards into the box and scored from the rebound rooney should have scored from the first time. that's not inzaghi style - you just have an agenda against robin.

There's no agenda. That's my observation for sometime now.

Rooney header was highly commendable. He did absolutely well to have been so well position and his nodding was on target from a tight angle. The keeper has all the credit for the save, and that effort led to RVP's goal.

afrodoc: RVP had a good game yesterday. He had the goal, the assist, the key passes e.t.c
Our forwards i,e RVP,Rooney and Hernandez are not the problems with this team.The problems have been central midfield and wing play and recently the defense has gotten really nervy.
Medium term i have few issues with the defense (young GK and defenders who would only get better) but if we can improve our midfield play and if our wingers regain just a lil form you would see the difference in the team

He may have the goals and assists but it doesn't take away the fact that it easier to mark him out now. I think he might be doing what the coach wants of him. But my opinion is that our best players should all be involved in the creativity. Cleverley pushed forward to try and create but he lacked the skills in that area of the pitch. I was expecting a situation where those who could have done it better all be involved. That's the way it works in Man City and Barca. No 'Inzaghi'.

coogar: he scored a goal yesterday & assisted rooney's goal - how's he a minus one when he goes about his job quietly & effectively?

He should play more.

Moyes should change his tactics such that we shouldn't be having the Inzaghi style of a point man.

coogar: those are shyte teams - leverkusen that should have conceded 6 goals or sociedad that should have conceded 5 goals. abeg, this is the premier league where teams are well organised & defend like somalian militia....

We could have scored more goals against Southampton too. We were only unlucky. Remember too Rooney was absent against Shaktar and Liverpool and we couldn't win.

We also defeated Swansea, Crystal Palace, Sunderland. We could have beaten Southampton, and we drew Chelsea. The problems we have had till now is the midfield.

Every match our midfield had played well, our forward did well. Fellaini's first two matches were great and we won. Giggs did well against Sociedad.

I wanted to watch more matches before I pull this out. Let me just say it. RVP is becoming more and more too static. I think I will prefer a situation where everyone runs at the opponents defense as we had in Ronaldo, Rooney and Tevez. It will make defenders paying against us get confused.

RVP stands and the opponent puts a man on him, he becomes a minus one for like 70 minutes. Against Sociedad, I saw Chicha running and trying to be involved despite that is not is natural style. RVP conserves too much energy for himself this season.

RuuDie: The major problem with Rooney right now is "the position to play him" --- usually when he is not playing as the second striker, the team generally does well. Like yesterday, after the subs, he was in midfield almost sitting beside Carrick and that gave us the option of having more threat with himself Chicha and RvP all in the game.

I don't agree.

Where did he play against Leverkusen and Sociedad?

afrodoc: I agree with you Rio is past it and surely must be pensioned off at the end of this season. He has NO PACE and tends to sit back meaning there is more space for Carrick and the other midfielders to cover and this leads into open runs at the defense from opposing players. Also when isolated one on one with an opponent he is now a liability.
For Vida i am not so sure yet but he seems to be on the steep downward slope but just might be fitness issues.If he can hold the fort until the end of next season that would be good news. By then Jones,Evans should have sorted themselves out plus or minus a world class center back.
Smalling is pretty poor on the ball and never looks confident defending. If Jones can improve his positional play i have more hopes for him than Smalling but the first thing is to stop playing those boys in multiple positions. Play them as center backs only and if they cant make the first 11 they sit on the bench. Playing Jones in 3 positions seems to have confused the boy as to correct positioning and Smalling appears worse every additional day i see him at RB

Concurred.

Imagine when you now combine Vidic and Rio, then play them in successive games. Calamity.

They usually eat up 35 minutes of our time at the back passing to the sides and De Gea, by time they release the ball, the opponent had regroup. Then when the stats are out, our defenders will be having more passes than our midfielders. No big team play that way. Madrid, Barca, City, Chelsea, and the rest teams have defenders who send the ball forward fast.

elrony: Please hope the "Rio" being mentioned on this thread refers to next year's World Cup in Brazil??

Starboard amazed me with the Rio stuff.

Had it been Rio and Vidic yesterday, they would have kept the ball at the back passing between them, also passing slowing to De Gea and Carrick such that the time would have been finished before we get even a goal. They are too slow and play too deep for my liking. Vidic is great but I wish he could add pace. Ferdinand is just enjoying his pension for all the work he did in the past. However, I guess Moyes has put them on some raining programs to get them better and fitter.


*** Another issue. I concur to those who think Nani might never realised his dreams. After I saw him captain Portugal in their last match, I knew from the performance that he has a long way to go. He plays himself into tight corner every time, he likes to isolate himself too much. Some of his qualities that made him unique are not working well for him at the moment. I doubt if we will ever get him back to his best.

I think Jones is far better than Smalling, and even more consistent.
John Evans failed to clear (balloon) the ball which led to the 1st goal. Although the fault started from Cleverley who allowed someone to run in between him and Nani.

Secondly, that early goal meant Cleverly pushed forward and only Carrick in the middle. With Nani little concern about the defence, it meant we had no midfield. Jones came directly under attack from Stoke strikers and midfielders.

montelik: 2-3 years of consistent injuries have not allowed Smalling or Jones to develop the way they should have. Rafael also suffered the same thing before a run of fitness allowed to finally blossom. These days 2011-2012 Smalling looks better than the present one. Meanwhile Jones has stagnated and not improved at the rate envisioned. I hope Vidic can dig deep and turn back the clock, the way Rio has done the last 2 seasons. We will need his experience while Smalling get back to his best and Jones continues improving. Else we will have to open the cheque book for Hummels e.t.c.

I think we should leave Ferdinand out completely while Vidic stays in the bench for now. Give Jones and Evans the experience. Their athleticism is a massive advantage. They are also very hard to beat one on one or with speed. They can hardly be outpaced and they release the ball faster.

elampiro: That means Coogar owes me ......

With this Rooney pass accuracy. I guess his pass accuracy against Sociedad, Lebverkusen and Chelsea shoulld be very high too.

Coogar should buy me a ram.

Madrid just getting so unlucky and ref cheating them badly. Ronaldo won a clear penalty but "play on, play on says the ref". It shud be two penalties sef.

That means Coogar owes me ......

With this Rooney pass accuracy. I guess his pass accuracy against Sociedad, Lebverkusen and Chelsea shoulld be very high too.

I think our greatest undoing today was to approach (start) the match with so much speed. We should have kept it slow, low and close from the start. Second half was better because we approach it with patience, then the substitutions.

My Neyman don score fine goal against my Madrid.

Purist: By the way, is it just me or it's the long sleeve, Januzaj looked kinda slightly beefed up today.

That guys is not as frail as he looks. He is 75kg.

Purist: You're right there. I just feel sorry for DDG, as his defenders keep letting him down. He thoroughly deserves to have had a couple of clean sheets by now.

This is why you guys should know statistics can be deceptive. As it is now, stat will tell us DDG is one of the worst keepers in Europe.

Thank God.

The early goal unsettled us. Why did they not bring down that guy? After the goal, Cleverly left the midfield and join the attack. That allowed so many counter against us.

After the equalizer, we needed to be careful, tighten the midfield and the full back, then be patient. Unfortunately we conceded a soft free kick in a dangerous position.

Cleverlery should seat in the midfield while Kagawa and Rooney should work out something from the creative position. Nani doesn't know the meaning of protecting the back.

What SAF has always done against Stoke is to keep the ball on the ground and play slowly.

Let's hope we win this one and carry on.

De Gea; Smalling, Jones, Evans, Evra; Nani, Carrick, Cleverley, Kagawa; Rooney, Van Persie. Subs: Lindegaard, Rafael, Fellaini, Young, Valencia, Januzaj, Hernandez.

There is no need changing our defence.

De Gea
Rafael Jones Evans Evra


Till injury or loss of form separate them.

If we play tall opposition, Smalling can play for Rafeal. Vidic should be on the bench. No need to put Buttner on the bench, Evans can play left back should anything happen to Evra in a match. So, only two defenders (Vidic and Smaling) should make the bench in UCL and EPL games.

[quote author=A-40]Elampiro knows little! If his belief is Great Britain is on the brink of dominance because of a good show in the tournament they HOSTED then ninja is in la-la land

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IAAF_World_Championships_in_Athletics

So much for Britain is the best in track and field! If you add East Germany's total that expands the gap even more embarrassingly between both countries[/quote]Hope u didn't bash your car? You that were typing inside traffic. I wish say na manual car, I for see how u go dey drive and do argument. This thread is truly very addictive, I guess your argument here during the day contributed to the reason you close late at work. Hope u no carry files go house?

Just joking.

[quote author=kay_pumpin]Elampiro,

Do you do "bags"??[/quote]* What is bags?

* Why have I not seen you before on this thread?