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BinghiNya: The goals rvp missed cost united qualification, what a wasteful player

After Rooney had an excellent game against Leverkusen, some guys almost crucified him for not making a pass for a RVP tap in. Everything else he did that night, even though excellent, was rarely mentioned despite the fact we won.

On same day RVP missed from 1 yard. Last night Chicha missed a tap in. RVP missed a penalty and another clear chance when the keeper was already beaten. Had any of the above been from Rooney, we would have had pages upon pages of how he is a waste fat flesh. Instead what do we have, praises upon praises on how we became more creative in the attack when fresh legs were introduced. As if we were not even more creative when there was a change in pattern against Sociedad in Old Trafford. Remember the Rooney and Kagawa dying minutes combo.

In Ukraine, Welbeck took a half chance. In Spain, Chicha missed a full chance. I have no favourite between the two players, but some players errors are more forgivable. Then when they show occasional flashes from their conserved energy from been rested over many games on the bench, they must be the hero and the sacred cows. Has anyone not noticed that about 70% of the time Chicha struggle when started?

I still maintain, had Rooney been on the pitch till the end, we should have got the goal when RVP came in. Afterall, Roney's most goals in his career have come in the last quarter of matches. Our play would have also been more stable with less chances to Sociedad.

coogar: it was a clear penalty....
the defender clearly tugged at ashley young's hand

https://i.minus.com/invBsd7MXPhhg.gif

besides, the chance i was talking about was the cross young made & van persie crashed against the post.

I can't see it now, I will look at it later when I settle. Using phone.

[quote author=A-40]Ashley Young the diving disgrace! He's going to Rio alright in
















2016[/quote]...And people applauding the diving as a created chance, whereas it was a lost possession.

... I give RVP 20/10 for missing two clear chances.

... Chicharito 30/10 for being clueless and missing a tap in.

If you have been watching Man City since Aguero arrived, you will see that there are some matches he looks unAguero or tired or average. Yet he is so much regarded in the City team for what he does.

But in United, any day Rooney doesn't give a superb performance, all the blame for the team woes go to him. There is a reason you bring on sub in a match, they come in with fresher energy. That's what Chicha had always done and people felt he was a super man. Rest and rest then come in with lots of freshness.

I have always said, a run of games has its own toll. Play Kagawa in the 10 position, after 5 EPL matches I will come and get an assessment from this thread.

dademola: wich kagawa lost for pitch? Bros.... Wen rooney left, our attack gathered more momentum....courtesy kagawa! He and young kinda opened d game up for us. Rooney was very poor today!

Is it to gather momentum? RVP off the ball movement confused the defenders and Kagawa, Young and Giggs capitalised for only 10 minutes. After which it looked more like Sociedad would score. We were conceding corners and free kicks. Just their inexperience saved us.

leggo: i'm sorry but was i the only one who saw the way shinji was isolated at the closing stages of the game?? he kept getting in good positions yet young and co ignored him

He was not ignored. Sociedad settled the initial gragra. Dats all.

coogar: very boring group -
we should have won tonight - van persie shoulda at least scored one of those chances....these boys should better shape up for the arsenal game.



which wayne rooney? the 62% pass completion rooney or the rooney at everton? hauling him off was the best decision david moyes has made all season.



sociedad never adjusted to any introduction, we shoulda scored 2 good goals with him in the centre. the hernandez chance too was created by kagawa. the question is - what did rooney create all night? one hour to justify his £1m per month wages and he fücked it up!!!!



tony valencia?
he was an embarrassment throughout - ashley young did more in his cameo than valencia did all night. another liability that needs to be sold quickly before depreciation sets in his market value.

It doesn't matter who created a chance or not. When Rooney won us two matches where were the other guys? Making 50% pass accuracy doesn't mean a thing. That's was going to happen when you play with Chicha on this occasion.

Had it been Rooney who wasted those chances today, heaven would have fallen now. So if Rooney doesn't score or create we won't win a UCL match? In Ukraine, RVP did not play one single reasonable ball. Rooney's performance today far outstripped what RVP offered in Ukraine.

Why did Moyes not start RVP?

Now we regret the late goal conceded in Ukraine, then three chances missed today. Unlike Chicha.

I also think Chachiarito was on for too long. We should have had RVP and Rooney on the pitch for considerable minutes.

Why did Moyes not start RVP?

Now we regret the late goal conceded in Ukraine, then three chances missed today. Unlike Chicha.

I also think Chachiarito was on for too long. We should have had RVP and Rooney on the pitch for a considerable minutes.

chamotex: How will a draw put us through?

Oh! It's a win. I thought Shaktat was on 4 points. And it's head to head.

Wahala dey o.

Purist: Well, luckily, the other teams in the group also played a bore draw.

Yes, a draw against Shakhtar will put us through. But we should aim for a win, then a draw.

coogar: or else what?
rooney had 60 mins & the goalie never saved one shot throughout.

see the idiotic valencia assisting the spaniards with a useless pass. how is this guy still stealing a living at our club?

Had Rooney been on the pitch with RVP, we should have won easily and those chances of Sociedad would never have been.

When Sociedad adjusted to RVP's introduction, Kagawa was lost on the pitch.

Valencia was the saving grace today as he easily recovered to stop Sociedad when United piled pressure.

The 10 minutes initial gragra was just what it was. Initial gragra.

These guys better win this match else we walk tight rope.

coogar: of course, as usual - chicharito gets the blame when rooney stinks up the whole joint. hernandez gets the blame rooney completed only 62% of his passes.

Yes, it was Chicha who was a minus one, and he missed a very clear chance.

coogar: incredible number of chances within 10 minutes & we have one bloated, overrated & overhyped piece of rubbish slowing down our progress in the first 65 mins.

Incredible number of chances too for Sociedad.
Chicharito cost us, we should be one nil.

coogar: he's shyte.....
one minute after rooney got hauled off, fireworks went off. unlucky van persie didn't score.

that's another pass from kagawa to van persie....the cutback didn't work.

ashley young has won another penalty!
these are the players we need on the pitch not an overrated rooney stinking up the whole place.

It's not so easy pairing with Chicharito, particularly in an away UCL fixture.

I don't understand the problem Coogar has with Rooney and certain other players.

Man Utd Sub : Lindegaard, Jones,
Anderson, Nani, Young, Van Persie,
Buttner

coogar: our boys are overaged....
none of them is less than 25 years of age. it's a shame really that we have resorted to this kind of fraud. where's chrisantus today? when his trajectory was expected to peak, it declined because he was in his peak during the under-17 he won. it then means he couldn't have been less than 26 when he won the golden boot in 2007.

How do you know they are averaged? Leave Crisantus out of this one.

I know someone (Ebiaku Sylvanus) who used his real age for Keshi U-21 team of year 2000/2001. I think he was even the captain. He later became Insurance captain. If you saw him them you will think he was 25 or so. Built like a boxer and very energetic. But he was just a kid.

It is only our own that has to been criticized.

Congrat Eaglets.

If they said our boys could be over aged, I wonder what they will say about Sweden boys.

On defensive help to our back, Valencia is a Zillion miles ahead of Nani. Even team play.

But Nani knows how to punish Arsenal. I think it was only last season he could not deal with them.

Oghos1: Nani cannot be trusted to give our right full back d required assistance o. He doesn't defend with enuff commitment. Av25 is d safest bet. Starting nani would be a risky gamble. If he must play, den he should come in d 2nd half as an impact sub.

Well said. Valencia protects our central midfielders and the right back.

However, Nani has always been Arsenal's torment.

coogar: i am even more convinced that ashley young was taken out of the firing line because of the diving incident. your articles have strengthened my beliefs even further that he was kept in ice to protect him from the media scapegoating.

nothing in that article remotely suggested he was left out because of poor performance. young was the sole reason we were able to destroy crystal palace & in the city game, he was as bad as every other player on the pitch. why is he the only one being punished for the poor general performance of the team?

Na wai! Infact no need to even argue this with you sef. After Palace he played before he was relegated to the reserve team.


Infact no need sef.

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Did you see this part?




Assistant manager Steve Round said: 'I was really pleased for Wilf Zaha to get a start and play as well as he did.


'One of the other players I was really pleased for was Ashley Young. I thought he had a terrific game.

'He has worked really hard in training to regain his form and put himself back on the line for Manchester United. His performance was excellent.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2480359/Ashley-Young-aiming-Manchester-United-place-starring-Capital-One-Cup-rout-Norwich.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines

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Assistant manager Steve Round said: 'I was really pleased for Wilf Zaha to get a start and play as well as he did.

'Tom Cleverley was excellent, Adnan is getting stronger and stronger as each game goes by.

'One of the other players I was really pleased for was Ashley Young. I thought he had a terrific game.

'He has worked really hard in training to regain his form and put himself back on the line for Manchester United. His performance was excellent.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2480359/Ashley-Young-aiming-Manchester-United-place-starring-Capital-One-Cup-rout-Norwich.html?ico=sport%5Eheadlines



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Ashley Young glad to impress

October 30, 2013

By Richard Jolly



ESPN

Ashley Young savoured his return to the Manchester United team for the first time since his disappointing derby performance and believes he has staked his case to appear more often.

• Jolly: Three Things

The winger played the full 90 minutes in United’s 4-0 Capital One Cup win over Norwich on Tuesday and hopes he can keep his place when the Premier League champions visit Fulham on Saturday.

But apart from a ten-minute cameo against Real Sociedad six days earlier, it was Young’s first appearance since September’s 4-1 defeat to Manchester City, when he was substituted six minutes after half-time and widely criticised for his performance.

Since then, manager David Moyes has preferred to pick Adnan Januzaj and Shinji Kagawa on the left flank but the England international reckons he did well against Norwich.

He told MUTV: “I have not played since the City game. I have been waiting my time and I wanted to get out there and impress. I felt I did well. I enjoyed the game. We will have to wait and see what the manager thinks come the weekend.”

United recorded their third successive victory -- and their biggest win under Moyes -- and after a series of close games, Young felt it was only a matter of time before they thrashed someone.

He added: “I think it has [been coming]. You see the way we have been playing. We created many chances and could have got a few more. We were delighted to get four [goals]. We wanted to be in the next round and we have done that, so we are delighted.”
http://espnfc.com/news/story/_/id/1599613/ashley-young-glad-impress-return-manchester-united

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Coogar, after reading the above do you still think Ashley Young was dropped from first because he dived against Crystal Palace? I didn't want to bring up this, but I think you should just know that diving has no connection with his being dropped.

SailorXY: He may be thriving here cuz we still play a flat midfield where 'wingers' do a 100m-dash to the by-line, then cross into the box.
In the evolved/modern 4-3-2-1 or 4-3-3-like attcking format, I don't see how he can displace Nani except he plays the wing back position

The future will tell. Let's open our eyes as we watch more matches.

SailorXY: Do you think Januzaj is the best option for the No. 10 role @ Man United on current standings?
Yes or No

No.

SailorXY: Nani is a better attacker/winger than Valencia. Homeboi just gat British weather syndrome #end of
I still think Young is the worst

Valencia is more result oriented than Nani. Nani spends so much time on his own while in the process alienating team play from his game. He also does not offer any help to the central midfielders and defenders. Valencia has by far the more dangerous and matured winger.

tapout1: for a logically reta.rded mompara like cooger who is knwn to hav a penchant for posting stup.id and irrelevant stats, wot do u expect? For someone to insinuate dt toress is betta dan messi/CR7 by virtue of stats... Doesnt he reek of astute f00lishness??

That guy's arguments are really ridiculous. These days I have come to the realisation that he should not be taken serious half of the time. He takes delight in dispute things that are so obvious.

So a certain imbe.cile here has not learnt from the Ashley Young's stat vs real match performance that stat are mostly misleading?

This is the reason some guys loyalty is usually for bench warmers. Instead of them to watch match, they rely majorly on stat, highlights and clips of one off expression of skills.

montelik: Yes but he also the main reason for our composure in midfield on and off the ball. Also the main man responsible for our ability to retain possession and build consistent attacks.

The above is only true when we play weak teams. Carrick is like a fowl when we play against City and Chelsea. This season, it's like some teams like West Brom, Southampton and even Sunderland have become big to Carrick.

I didn't see those retention of possession and consistent attack against the above teams.

Instead, it's like we did those stuff more against Fulham in the 1st half.

montelik: The irony of this statement reeks considering some of the things you have regularly posted regarding Tom C reeks. I won't dig up your previous post and comments on Tom C and others to show your inconsistency, because I don't want this to become a long Coogar vs Elampiro argument. But agreed no more unnecessary rubbishing of playing staff. lol

Did you see how Jones was totally ineffective in the 2nd half when it was Fellaini who played alongside him. Where was his dynamism then? in the 1st half Jones had a partner who was able to receive the ball in difficult positions, still retain possession and one who was actual able play an accurate one touch pass, thereby moving the ball quicker, avoiding the press of the position and making the space and time for Jones to look good, the same thing he did against Norwich. It is easy to not see positives Tom C brings because he doesn't play in the exact way we may sometimes want, but that doesn't mean they aren't positive attributes which are useful and not easily available in others.

No need for long argument. We are agreement that we need dynamism for our central midfield and yes Tom C needs to improve and play with a bit more adventure. But that will be difficult with Carrick as our midfield maestro. Did you see the greater urgency we played with against Norwich and even for the opening 30 mins yesterday. With Carrick as the base it will be difficult to do that on a consistent basis.

Shalom

Carrick is part of the reason our midfield play is slow and we allow opponents too much time on the ball.