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coogar: you are a disgrace to mathematics - did you not tell us rooney has only scored 14 penalties or 13 penalities, how did you arrive at 17?

coogar: you embarrass yourself when you act this way, which site carried 13/14 league penalties? you have consistently lied through your teeth rooney scored via four pens in 09/10 including the liverpool game. faced with the facts and you are quoting a stüpid site instead of using your own common sense to seek the truth....

09/10
rooney took 5 penalties n scored all 5

10/11
rooney took 5 penalties and scored 4, he missed against arsenal.

11/12
rooney took 12 penalties and scored 10, he missed against chelsea and bolton.

12/13
rooney took 2 penalties and scored one - he missed against arsenal and scored against braga in europe.

in all competitions, rooney has scored 20 goals via penalties for man utd and he's missed 6!

coogar: argue objectively, every animal with 2 eyes knows scoring from open play is more difficult than scoring from 12 yards with a goalie to beat. for chicharito to score from tap-ins, he needs movement, positioning and the intelligence to beat the offside trap! just about anybody can whack a ball from 12 yards and score!!!



you lie a lot - rooney wins nothing, except for few times he managed to dive and fool the match official!



what are you sharing? chicharito does not to score 10 penalties in a season to rack up his stats. seriously, who scores 10 goals from the penalty spot in a season?



not only 3 goals, it's 0 goals!!!! rooney is a liability, without his role of a penalty-taker, his stats come nowhere near hernandez.



stop embarrassing yourself - chicharito was not a man utd player in 09/10 season. do you really support man utd or you just come to this thread to troll? why should chicharito win a penalty for united when he's plying his trade in chiva(mexico) in the season rooney won penalties against portsmouth?

you have been disgraced enough, if you have any decorum left, you won't come back here.....

coogar: you embarrass yourself when you act this way, which site carried 13/14 league penalties? you have consistently lied through your teeth rooney scored via four pens in 09/10 including the liverpool game. faced with the facts and you are quoting a stüpid site instead of using your own common sense to seek the truth....

coogar: so if the above is true then it means you are claiming rooney scored 4 goals via penalty kicks in 09/10.

man utd 2-1 arsenal(rooney scored one pen)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8223417.stm

portsmouth 1-4 man utd(rooney scored 2 goals via pen)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8377193.stm

man utd 3-0 wolves(rooney scored one via pen)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/eng_prem/8408337.stm

add to the liverpool game - and the total is 5 goals via pen. elampiro, you cannot count - shame on you!!!

coogar: then you are a disgrace to the red shirt.....so you mean rooney scored only 4 goals via penalty in 2009/10? christ!!!



you are still beating about the bush - rooney was moved around a lot cos he wasn't really good at anything last season. jack of all trade - master of none!



stop this show of shame.....you are confused because you think passes can either be backwards or forward. dude, passes to sideways count too. rooney wastes majority of his passes going sideways and backwards than forward passes...you need to start analysing with an open mind!



RVP is not a natural out n out striker like chicharito....he's converted at arsenal! most of his passes he receives had him backing the goal. he lays off(backward pass) to advancing midfielders and runs into the box to collect the pass. he functioned mostly as a lone striker last season so rooney was the one with a poor forward pass return, not RVP!!!

coogar: then you are a disgrace to the red shirt.....so you mean rooney scored only 4 goals via penalty in 2009/10? christ!!!



you are still beating about the bush - rooney was moved around a lot cos he wasn't really good at anything last season. jack of all trade - master of none!



stop this show of shame.....you are confused because you think passes can either be backwards or forward. dude, passes to sideways count too. rooney wastes majority of his passes going sideways and backwards than forward passes...you need to start analysing with an open mind!



RVP is not a natural out n out striker like chicharito....he's converted at arsenal! most of his passes he receives had him backing the goal. he lays off(backward pass) to advancing midfielders and runs into the box to collect the pass. he functioned mostly as a lone striker last season so rooney was the one with a poor forward pass return, not RVP!!!

Fabville: Rooney played mostly from the midfield last season, then if he is working so hard like you said he's supposed to have more forward passes than RVP. A midfielder would have more forward passes than a main striker not the other way round.
It is taking Roonet more passes to create a forward passes. Meaning that his forward passes as a midfielder is not as efficient as that of RVP who is the main striker.

If RVP is capitalising on ready made food as you have said, then he would not have more accurate forward passes than Rooney. He is always involve in the overall forward play of the team as a striker.

coogar: you use links - i use my memory.
if rooney's penalty that was saved was later scored by rooney from a rebound, is that not rooney scoring his penalty? if rooney wasn't the penalty taker, would he have been in the position to score a rebound unmarked? like i said, you are a novice!



rooney has scored from 20 penalty situations - he had that kind of reina scenario against city in jan 2012 when we beat city 3-2 at the etihad. the penalty was first saved but the rebound was scored by rooney's head. still, if he wasn't in the box alone taking the pen, he wouldn't have had the opportunity to tap in the rebound with his head.




rooney played more in zones where he's not heavily marked like RVP......common sense dictates a midfield player would see more of the ball to pass than a striker that is expected to shoot on target & score!



another daft statistics if the area where both players operate are not put into consideration. centre forwards like RVP are arrowheads - they shoot on target! take the wonder goal against villa or west ham equaliser(FA cup) for instance, a long raking pass from the deep found RVP, who could he have passed to with only him against the goalkeeper? pass back to a team-mate?!



your mathematics need UNICEF.....
26% of RVP's passes go forward, only 22% of rooney's passes go forward. it then means RVP is more likely to make a forward pass than rooney in spite of the fact that RVP played ahead of rooney in most games......

as you can see, rooney played in 7 different positions last season to RVP's 2. rooney was a provider in 6 different positions to RVP's 1. common sense should tell you rooney would have more passes than RVP just like common sense would tell you defenders make more passes accurately than midfielders cos defenders play these passes mostly in a no-pressure zone!

Fabville: What about when Adebayor was there?

2. The more you twist this stats there more it makes me understand statistics and simple arithmetic (not mathematics). With the playing time you are adding it still doesn't add up. What you are simply saying with the playing time added is that Rooney will need more playing time to be able to have more forward passes than RVP.

This is a very simple analysis.
RVP could have 820 accurate passes from a main striker role and had 213 accurate forward passes from the 820.

Rooney had 1026 accurate passes from a midfielder role and 215 accurate forward passes out of the 1026.

Let's also see how efficient these two are in terms of their respective accurate passes.
RVP - Accurate passes + Accurate forward passes (820 + 213 = 3.85)
This means that out of every 3.85 accurate passes made by RVP, he will make one (1) accurate forward pass.

Rooney - Accurate passes + Accurate forward passes (1026 + 215 = 4.77)
This means that out of every 4.77 accurate passes made by Rooney, he will make one (1) accurate forward pass.
This simply means with the playing time you brought in by you, Rooney will need more playing time to be able to increase his accurate passes in other to match and surpass RVP's percentage accurate forward passes.

Nobody is disputing the fact that Rooney had or will have more accurate passes than RVP but the efficiency of those accurate passes in terms of accurate forward passes in lesser that RVP's.

This also implies that if these two players switch positions RVP will have more accurate passes and more accurate forward passes than Rooney.

Fabville: So also RVP didn't play as the lead striker for Arsenal in all the past four seasons.



This calculation wasn't based on percentage. It was purely based on the figures provided by your statistics.

coogar: you are a joke....
in 09/10, rooney scored twice via penalties against portsmouth, one against liverpool, one against wolves and another one against arsenal. ask your junior sister to count them for you....



you are a fish!
so xavi successfully makes 990 passes out of 1000 and gerrard makes 2000 passes out of 10,000 passes, in your own little world, gerrard is a better passer because 2000 is more than 990? biko, you need adult education...

coogar: christ - even if you were born brain-dead, some things are not hard to discern. your table said rvp had 26% forward passes to rooney's 22% forward passes and you still stupïdly claim rooney has more forward passes??

it's no longer an insult to say you are demented, it's a fact!!!! the only tool who thinks 22% is more than 26%.

coogar: wait for someone else to work for me? you mean simple things like waiting without being caught offside?? you want to compare that with having a free shot on target with the keeper to beat? you are a disgrace!!!




you are a disgrace to english language - even after the stats told you they did not keep records pre-2007, you still foolishly posted the stats in trying to win an argument? where's the penalty rooney scored against liverpool in 2010?

coogar: how do you deduct tap-in goals? you are such a numbskull....the intelligence to get into a position to tap into the net is not a skill? hernandez's sharp movement to evade his markers is no skill? you want to compare that to having a free run to strike the ball from 12 yards with a keeper to beat? you are a disgrace to this sports section!



you are a pathological liar....
rooney has scored 20 penalties for man utd. rooney scored from 5 penalties in 09/10. the stat might not count the one against liverpool cos he missed the shot but reina parried the ball to rooney's path again and he scored from the rebound - only the penalty taker could have had such chance to score!

coogar: i cannot believe elampiro expects rooney to have less passes than van persie. van persie is a centre forward, his job is to receive the final ball(key pass) and shoot into the net. rooney played many games as a midfielder, so his passes would be more because he must feed the players ahead of him with passes - that RVP even had more forward passes than rooney goes to show how poor rooney was in a midfield role!

coogar: add the 8 penalties rooney took that season to hernandez's stats. rooney took 8 league penalties and scored 6. hernandez has 100% penalty success in the league so it means hernandez would have scored 18 goals in 16 league games in 2011/12.

even if we assume he is as poor as rooney in taking penalties, hernandez would still have scored 16 league goals in 16 league games - it still falls within his 1 goal per game stat!




rooney scored 5 penalties in 09/10 season. 2 against pompey, 1 against wolves, 1 against arsenal and 1 against liverpool(he missed it but scored from the rebound)



rooney scores more league goals from penalties than any other striker in the premier league. it's his trade mark. once there's a penalty, rooney quickly grabs the ball like a scavenger scrapping for food!

coogar: don't mind that dude called elampiro.....rooney practically wanted to use penalty kicks to steal the golden boot in 11/12 season

2011/12
MU- Aston Villa 4-0, scored
MU-Queens Park Rangers 2-0, scored
MU-West Bromwich Albion 2-0, scored

Chelsea-MU 3-3, two penalties scored
MU-Arsenal 8-2, scored

that's 6 awoof league goals credited to rooney. 25% of rooney's league goals in 11/12 season were penalties.

coogar: if he starts in 38 league games, hernandez would score 38 league goals. the 2011/12 you were talking about is pure drivel. how many penalties did rooney score that season in the league to boost his stats....

nani gets brought down in the penalty, rooney takes the penalty and then scores and you are shouting he scored 27 league goals, why won't he? give hernandez the same role of taking penalties and he would surely be scoring 40 league goals per season easily!

1. Hernadez played 28 league games in 2011/12, 1476 minutes (16 and half matches cumulatively) and only came up with 10 goals 2 assist. How on earth will that ever transform into 38 goals in 38 league games? He only got one goal against the top 6 teams which is against Chelsea.

2. In 2009/2010 when penalties are deducted Rooney still scored about 23 or 24 league goals minus penalty. In 2011/12 he scored over 21 or thereabout. But I don't know where in football penalties are discarded. Rooney was also fowled in many of the penalties, ie he won them too.

3. No one has ever deducted the goals RVP scored from penalty or free kick. So why always Rooney?

Fabville: I am talking of number of passes generally whether successful or not.

Fabville: What happened in 2011/2012 season when they were both main strikers for their respective clubs? That proved to us that RVP is better than Rooney.

Rooney have never reached 30 premier league goals in a season while RVP have done that. Don't forget that RVP did this as a converted striker.

Last season, he wasn't tracking back to help anybody in the midfield because he himself was used as a midfielder and not as a striker. He is only doing the job assigned to him.

Yes he did lost possession anyhow and that was why SAF wasn't using him regularly even in the midfield. I thought you read what one of Man Utd's former coaches said about his attitude to training.


You need to bring out the number of total passes made by both to put it in proper perspective and you also have to know that one made those passes as a midfielder who will see more of the ball while the other made his as a striker. So there is a difference.

The statistics showed that it was RVP who did mor of tracking back considering his percentage forward passes. Rooney who saw more of the passes as a midfielder had less percentage of forward passes compared to RVP's.

Fabville: You need to bring out the number of total passes made by both to put it in proper perspective and you also have to know that one made those passes as a midfielder who will see more of the ball while the other made his as a striker. So there is a difference.

The statistics showed that it was RVP who did mor of tracking back considering his percentage forward passes. Rooney who saw more of the passes as a midfielder had less percentage of forward passes compared to RVP's.

SailorXY: & u better not bet anything valuable

SailorXY: Are you kidding me?? So Ryan Giggs is still starting games or what