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Fabville: Chicharito's development was stunted because of the team he found himself. If he had half of the playing time Rooney has in Man Utd, he would have surpassed all these your talk of what Rooney have achieved,

If he had found himself playing for Arsenal? Do you think they will be putting him on the bench?

Fabville: I can now see the reason why you always have problems with statistics. You are comparing the pass statistics of a person that played majorly as a main striker with that of a person that played majorly in the midfield. If you expect the forward pass of RVP who played as our main striker to be more than that of Rooney who played as a midfielder to be more then you are wrong. A main striker's successful/forward pass is not supposed to be high unless you want him to be passing to the opposition goalkeeper. Every player in the midfield will always have more successful/forward passes than him because they are working for him from the midfield as the arrow head.

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Fabville: I don't know why you are attaching so much importance to the work Rooney does in the team as if other players do nothing other than running around.

You need to bring out from how many passes throughout the season did Rooney and RVP made the 1026 and 791 successful passes.

Fabville: Also from what you have posted, you will see that RVP made more forward passes as a striker more than Rooney did because the percentage of forward passes made by Rooney and RVP was 26% by RVP to Rooney's 21%. You can now see that Rooney was no doing his job well as a midfielder last season. Despite having more passes, he has less forward passes to RVP. What does that tell you? This make us know that RVP didn't stay in the front all out. He still came into the midfield to help the team in moving the ball forward.

Where is now "Rooney's much talked about "back to help cover for midfielders and defenders and drive the ball for yards before passing it"?

chrisley024: And Moyes 1st goal scorer is Lingard.
Welbeck with a brace depite wasted chances.

RuuDie: As you very well know - not every player develops at the same pace and not every player is also opportune at ages 18-20 to be a part of the "greatest teams in the world".
Some of the greatest strikers that have graced the EPL and even football in general, couldn't hold the football long enough at their feet to save their own lives; so when did "link-up play" become the defining trait of a successful striker!!? Is Rooney a better "link-up" player than Berbatov?



Well now that the so-called "established" striker isn't eager to play for us anymore, what do we do? We can either go out and buy another "established" striker or ride our luck with the "developing" striker - I choose the latter. Was any striker born "established"!?
Who says "developing" players cannot give the desired results - or didn't we win EPL when Butt, Scholes, Beckham, Giggs and the Nevilles were still fledglings!?

RuuDie: If Rooney is half the genius you claim, he wouldn't need you to be blowing his trumpet this hard and loud... CR7, LM10 - now these are examples of "genius" with a capital G!

RuuDie: Nice one Sailor.

People yarn as though strikers come staright out from the womb with the ability to "link play"; how else will Hernandez improve that link-up play aspect of his game if he doesn't have sufficient time to bond with the other regulars in the side!?
From the looks of things, if Rooney eventually leaves, Chicharito should be the next in line to move up the pecking order and fill that vacancy...not just because he happens to be there, but because even in the short span of time, he has earned it!

coogar: how can rooney's presence help win the first half when he contributed nothing in the match? we can as well say evra's presence won us the game..... you spew so much crap you might want to check with your doctor if you have diarrhoea. rafael's red card was the turning point in that game and bayern had already scored before rooney left the pitch. rooney's absence or presence meant nothing to the game - he was very insignificant on the night, he shouldn't have played...




rooney's injury had nothing to do with the game. his assist to gibson was a good 40 yards away from bayern's goal. it was a simple pass in the midfield not more than 2 yards and gibson waltzed in to deliver a good shot. after then, rooney disappeared. nani/valencia took charge from then on. rafael attacked bayern than rooney did all night so stop peddling myths. rooney was below average before he was hauled off by fergie.

SailorXY: All you guys saying Chicharito's link up play can't give him first team football or he is a sitting duck in the box are just like teachers who choose to notice no improvement at all from a student cuz their first meeting with the student was not good enough, even when the improvement is glaring. Chicharito & Rafael are the two currently rapid developing players in Man Utd now. Premier league defences fear Chicharito more than any EPL forward, even SAF said he has done nothing to merit sitting on the bench. For keen observers it was clear from last season displays, that Chicharito is adding a lot of dimension to his game. Add that to the fact he is willing to learn & improve and doesn't shy away from competition, doesn't whine but is very patient for his chance, then we have a real gem on our hands.
Fellaini+Modric can give us the right balance & will be a good choice as it now stands.

coogar: like he did against bayern munich in 2010? united scored 3 goals while rooney was on the pitch, he scored none out of them. you talk loads of rubbish

coogar: if he's not a spare tire, how could he have missed the biggest game at old trafford last season? a player earning £250k per week got benched by welbeck(academy-trained).......how humiliating?

coogar: if he's not a spare tire, why is it being discussed that he might leave? why are we not doing the same with evra, rafael, carrick, chicharito or even rio?

admit it, rooney is a spare tire - your new manager even said so.

RuuDie: Chicharito scored 10 goals in 22 appearances (mostly as a sub)... I don't think there is any need to further elaborate the endless stretch of possibilities if he spent more time on the park!

RuuDie: Here is another dose of reality you're not seeing... today, with his 250k, he is nothing but our SPARE TYRE - live with it!

coogar: it's not important - they are the 2 best strikers in man utd and so the 2 must always start. if rooney is starting, then he is cheating one of RVP or chicharito. it's as simple as that. in the pecking order, rooney is the 3rd best striker @ man utd!



lmao@ wenger/mourinho paying rooney £250k per week. if rooney moves to those clubs, his wages would go under £100k/week. it simply means rooney must have been overpaid for his ability by man utd thus he's now considered a liability!

coogar: RVP washed the toilet floor with rooney. after march 9, rooney scored a total of 1 league goal and 1 goal assist in about 300 mins. van persie scored 7 league goals and 3 assists in the same period.



i dunno why chicha and RVP stats are so important. they are the best 2 strikers we had last season. the 2 of them should be starting with rooney on the bench. so each time rooney started last season, he cheated chicharito.

coogar: chicharito is the most potent finisher in the premier league. if he plays as many minutes as rooney/RVP, he would score 30 league goals easily....

SailorXY: Chicharito is the most potent finisher in Man Utd, should be the first called upon whenever RvP is unable.
If Fabregas' end are not listening to any offers *as they claim* can Moyes move onto the next one please? There's no time to even check time for us now

coogar: as at march 9...

[img]http://cdn.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/03/Rooney-RVP.png?_cfgetx=img.rx:1409;img.ry:1409;[/img]

coogar: why are you comparing rooney to RVP(at arsenal)? i posted that article to destroy the myth that rooney was our best striker before the arrival of RVP. that isn't true - berbatov and chicharito did better than rooney even before RVP joined man utd!



this is a futile exercise - rooney did not come near these 2 players in 12/13.

RuuDie: Very well written article...Rooney has only himself to blame, period!

coogar: i thought it's a no brainer that RVP/chicharito outperformed rooney in 12/13 season. the goal ratio is a testament to that. yes, it could be argued rooney got moved around a lot but when he was the main striker, berbatov and chicharito destroyed him.

coogar: https://cdn.eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/RvP-compared-to-United-strikers.jpg

as you can see, welbeck is the only striker rooney outperformed in the last 3 seasons. berbatov and chicharito destroyed rooney's supposed greatness



scholes/keane are the best 2-man midfield we have ever had. carrick/giggs are way below anderson/cleverley as far as winning games is concerned!

RuuDie: Casillas is an entirely different situation entirely - he had beef with JM and that is mainly why he was dropped - he is justified to feel pained in this regard.

It happens everywhere, when there is a change in guard and Rooney has to live with it or bail out.

Berbatov came to UTD a star and we turned him into a sub. Even in his best season, he was still a "spare tyre"

"The Prince", Raul Gonzalez had to be shipped out to make room for a certain C.Ronaldo - can you imagine? They literally took the No.7 shirt off Raul's back - a shirt that should be in retirement now sef - and handed it to C.Ronaldo.

Fernando Torres nkor'?

Abeg, abeg, abeg, abeg...who the f*ck is Wayne Rooney that he can't be relegated to the background!?

coogar: hernandez has outperformed rooney in every way since he joined in 2010. kagawa has the potential to become even greater if moyes does not stick him to the left like a winger.



the same RVP that has played in a world cup final? he's won the league, won golden boots and won PFA player of the year. rooney is behind RVP, this is why he's running away.