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coogar: 2 lone league goals all season? lololol....RVP scored 2 hatricks where he was the only goalscorer and a lone goal against the hammers at old trafford. no comparison, RVP whitewashed rooney.



rooney is the most careless with the ball. he cannot keep the ball. opponents take ball from him, his passes are more likely to be intercepted and his dribbling is worse. stop lying to us, biko!

1. The argument was not about lone goal or whatever. I was trying to let you know RVP scoring winners against City and Liverpool are nothing new. You ought not to have used that as a point.

2. Rooney is strong on the ball. The professionals have all said it. Period. Rooney passes are the most precise. Go and look at his exchanges Young, Giggs, Evra, Scholes, Carrick, Valencia, Rafael, Cleverly and Kagawa. He provided long trunks for RVP three time. It is mostly when Rooney and Danny Welbeck do one two touch it sometimes doesn't work out, 'cos Welbeck is more of a ball keeper than a passer. Rooney is the strongest in the ball and the hub of the team. He is in every single attacking built. I saw a clip the other day. Scholes and Rooney are in 90 percent in the built towards the goals scored in the matches they played in.

dademola: and y is he not even saying anyfn on d whole issue?? Atleast d club has sed dt he aint for sale(lets even assume its true). Y isnt rooney even saying he wants to stay? Y is he keeping mute?? Wot exactly is he feeling like?? Does he feel we shud be d ones striving to keep him or wot?? Even a ronaldo who's future is uncertain ATM still pledges his loyalty to madrid.(weda it is true or not is anoda issue entirely).

It will be wrong for Rooney to come and counter SAF. Its better to avoid unguided statements out of anger. If he pledges his loyalty, won't that mean SAF was telling lies?

Let's wait, the saga is not over yet.

An example of Rooney scoring a lone goal was in February against Fulman. He sped past the defence and finished with a well crafted goal. One nil 78 minute.

coogar: he's better than rooney in the hole and as a centre forward. his control of the ball is better than rooney's. rooney is a street footballer, he was poorly trained as far as keeping the ball is concerned.



27 EPL goals with no golden boot to show for it. RVP has won back to back golden boots. rooney would have to match that before he can play as the arrow head.



he can never be finished as a player. he's got amazing technique to weave his way around his markers. he's got more football intelligence than rooney.



no one squanders more chances than rooney. he's too hot-headed to calmly place the ball where the goalkeeper couldn't reach. he just blasts the ball - one of the reasons he was demoted from taking penalties for the team.



some lone goals? lololol - how come these loan goals failed to get rooney 15 league goals in the season? rooney's goals were far and few between. the deep role is a silly excuse, michu scored plenty of goals from the same position.

Lone goal. I meant he scored the only goal in the match and it ended up the match winner.

Secondly, Rooney is the strongest man on the ball in United. That is his primary quality which world experts have acknowledge. Rooney is the only United player who can keep ball even when crowded or tightly marked. The other persons closed to him are Welbeck, Giggs and Carrick. RVP that loses balance once trying to control ball in the middle, always trying to shift it to his left. He and Chicha are the same.

coogar: the info is dodgy as it didn't tell the whole story.... he did not play more than 30 mins in any of the FA cup ties. he was a 2nd half substitute in all the matches contrary to your claim that he was left on the pitch throughout....

that is a white lie....



it's not poor - up until then, he had scored countless goals that had dug us out of trouble. winning goals against liverpool(anfield), city(etihad), etc. he won the golden boot in his debut season for us - rooney was the main striker in 09/10 and 11/12, what did he win?




the difference is rooney was unfit and didn't look like scoring. when RVP wasn't scoring, he was providing key passes with an excellent link-up play.

So it is no longer assist but key passes and excellent link up? OMG!!!!!! RVP is the worst striker in EPL when dropped behind.

RVP will have to chase Rooney's 27 EPL goals. But this is even off the point of argument.
The day RVP goals will dry up, he will be finished as a footballer. Unlike Rooney whose versatility allows him to boss a lot of positions from midfield to attack.

RVP squandered many goals in FA cup against Chelsea and also a principal culprit of same offence in the two legs against Madrid. One on one with the goalkeeper he couldn't score in Madrid and at the Bridge.

You mentioned he scored winners against City and Liverpool. Who scored the first two against City? Rooney. Rooney also scored some lone goals which won us matches even from his deep role.

SailorXY: this guy/man funny sha, you are now into aggregation of molecules...
Ohk just for clarity sake, we are talking of what the current government has to offer, and not what the previous regimes achieved collectively

At a certain (current) period last season, RVP could not score or assist yet he kept playing till the end while goal scorers were substituted. But Fabville felt it was ok for Rooney to be benched after only one match against Everton. Relate both.

SailorXY: You have already been answered... Refer to Fabville's post above

You guys too should refer to my counter response.

dademola: @Elampiro. D rooney u're supporting sef, has he even sed anyfn to suggest he wants to stay?? His silence is kinda arrogant

Has Rooney ever said he wants to leave?

Everything is mere speculation. According to a 'speculator' or side talk, they said what Rooney told SAF was that he will like to go to a place he can play regular football and in attack incase SAF was indirectly meant he was no longer a regular starter. That wasn't bad a talk between a son and a father or a player and a coach. It was a private thing.

Fabville: I don't know whether to call you a Man United fan or a Wayne Rooney fan because you have proved here that you are more of a Wayne Rooney fan than a Man Utd fan.

Wayne Rooney have had two worst goals drought run in Man Utd shirt compared to the one RVP had last season. Moreso, RVP was scoring for his country during this period.

In 2005/06 season, Rooney went on a 12-game run - 1002 minutes in terms of match time – from December 2005 to February 2006, ending when he scored twice in the Carling Cup final against Wigan Athletic. Why wasn't he benched during this period? SAF, the whole team and the fans stood by him.

Again, in 2010 he went on a run of 1,114 minutes play time (Five months) without scoring for Utd and also during this period he didn't score for England. This was on the back of scoring 34 goals for the club in the previous season. Why wasn't he benched during this period? SAF, the whole team and the fans stood by him. Do you know what SAF said during the time? He said "I say it time and time again; strikers live by their goals," Sir Alex Ferguson said today. "When they are not scoring, they think it is never going to come. Then when they [goals] come, they think they are never going to finish. They are straightforward people, you know. And Wayne is no different from any other striker."

Once again, i see this as a challenge to him. He only need to work on his fitness and prove to everybody that he's still got it. Everybody faces challenges in life and we all brace ourselves up to face it. We don't run away from them. That is all what David Moyes is telling him.

RVP earned his top man position in Man Utd team. He has been the top scorer in the league for the past two seasons. What does that tell you? "Consistent" How else should he earn his position? Rooney has always play a second fiddle to RVP even in the last season RVP spent at Arsenal. Who was the highest goals scorer in the league then? Are you now telling me that the coach should bench a hardworking RVP for a lazy Rooney? We are talking of present not some kind of past glory.

I don't just get it. Somebody is trying to help him regain his fitness and position in the team and they are saying he is "angry and confused". Give me a break!

5 seasons goals aggregate prior to RVP arrival at Old Trafford, Rooney was the highest scorer, followed by RVP and Drogba third. What does that tell you?

Rooney going on goal's drought in his early days was as a result of his supporting role. Nistelrooy was the lead man. Just like Welbeck scoring one goal all season but his contribution from various roles are immeasurable. But RVP is a lead man.

coogar: this is another lie from the pits of hell, RVP did not start in those 3 FA cup-ties against reading and both legs against chelsea.

How is it a lie? 5 league matches, 2 champions league matches and the FA cup is that not 10 matches. I got that from an official EPL site and I verified the info.

Even if you were to remove the FA cups matches he didn't start as usual, is it not poor for a lead striker to have 1 assist and 0 goal in seven matches? Yet he was kept on the field all through without substitution.

coogar: this is a lie......the longest rooney went without a goal in the league was 3 games(villa, norwich and qpr) and he produced one assist. the other barren run was for 3 league games(reading, sunderland and man city) and he produced another assist too.

I guess you meant RVP. RVP 5 league games without a goal, then 1 assist.
Check here for the matches of 2nd March to 8th April and let me know who is telling the truth.
http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=17658

Overall RVP went 10 matches, 0 goal, 1 assist and he was left on the pitch all through while goal scorers were substituted.

Some United fans keep saying Rooney is fat or not fit. Has anyone noticed that his goal scoring form for England national team is at its peak? He is scoring for the three lions as he has never done before. He scores in virtually every match for England.

So the problem with United is midfield, Rooney is the one 'midfielding' RVP, but when Rooney goes to strike no one 'midfied' him.

coogar: what period was this? RVP went 10 league matches without a goal? that's a big lie...



he should take his anger with him and fück off to swansea fc.

5 league matches, 2 champions league and three FA cup. Only 1 assist, 0 goal.

RVP, 0 goal and 1 assist in ten matches and he was not substituted at all. Haba! Even guys who scored the goals that period were substituted.

RVP = New wife treatment.

Infact if truly Rooney is angry, it is justified. Someone who had done so much for the club used as a rag?

coogar: 2 + 1 = 3
so how have you countered my claim? the ones you mentioned were the only 3 assists rooney had from the 1st of january till may. 3 assists from a player drawing £250k per week, it's quite pathetic.....

Did Rooney not score that period? And remember he played deeply too and even played defensive midfield n few matches. 12 goals plus 10 assists in 26 matches is almost a goal per match.

RVP on top striking role had only one assist from the period he went dry. 5 league games, 2 champions league and three FA cup matches. So how do you mean he was assisting during his drought period? Overall he had 9 assists from his top position.

coogar: this is a lie....
rooney only had 3 league assists in the 2nd half of the season, van persie had twice as many in the same period.

Are you kidding me? In just two matches he had three assist. ...Vs Norwich, he gave Kagawa two assists, against Villa he gave RVP a telling pass. So does it mean these were all his assists? And he had his goals too.

SailorXY: ...& rightly so because he has earned it! Are you kidding me? If you are made the manager of Man Utd today, who'll lead your line? Tell me. Next up is Javier Hernandez cuz he has earned it as well. When van Persie was signed, Chicharito said he relishes the competition and he will stay on and fight for his spot! Kagawa had a not too impressive first season, he openly admitted, while reiterating his desire to do much better in his second season. Welbeck openly admitted that he needs to work on his end product to be more relevant in the thick of the competition as far as playing the striking role is concerned.
Now these are professionals, not some over-grown baby crying cuz he no longer merits his favorite toy

I hear you. Earn my foot. Before his arrival how many goals did Rooney score? 34 goals. If that was the basis, Rooney should have led last season. Coaches only play Rooney in different positions because of his vasatility, just like playing Valencia in right back where need arises or playing Carrick in centre back. Rooney can play very well in many places, so it was right to make RVP stay up, 'cos aside that RVP is off. So it's tactical. But Moyes should not have used words such as 'when RVP is injured then Rooney will be needed'. If it were on merit, RVP should have been on bench in the period he was squandering our chances.

coogar: when RVP wasn't scoring, he was assisting.....rooney did neither when his form went to shyte. rooney's bottom level is the worst i have seen in the premier league. when rooney is having a bad day, it's awful to watch.

rooney is a liability, time to cut our losses.

Rooney had more of his assists and goals in the 2nd half of the season. And he had the lone goals in some difficult matches we won 1-0 in the second half.

Fabville: I don't know why you are defending the indefensible. There is nothing "Unguided" about the statement made by David Moyes. He stated the obvious. Accepted that British Press twisted and blew the statement made by DM out of proportion but he spoke in English language that Rooney himself understands. What he (Rooney) should have simply done is to go out to the press and stress his loyalty to the club and the manager and also accept that he has fitness issue and that he's going to work hard on it so as to regain his fitness. He didn't do that, he'll rather listen to the British press that doesn't even care about him. He's giving them the opportunity to dot his Is and cross his Ts which is selling their news.

As far as i am concerned that statement should have challengeg him to work harder on his fitness, get rid of the excess fat, eating habit and drinking habit. DM said "he’s (Rooney) got a major role to play", "I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in", "Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key", "It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on". These are pure English language which should ordinarily challenge and encourage him to gain his fitness back. Everybody knows that he has lost his form because of his fitness issues.

Robin Van Persie is our best striker as of now. Does he expect to be our main striker with his present fitness level? All i know is that he is lazy and not ready to work hard to bring back his form. Despite getting fat pay, he doesn't want to work hard for it. Top 9 is not his birth right. That was why SAF bought RVP last season. No player is bigger than Man Utd. Player goes player comes.

He sold his position to RVP because at the beginning of last season he started against Everton and we lost that match because of his fitness issue. He played nothing in that game despite playing full ninety minutes RVP started the next game, he scored in his first start despite the fact that he didn't go for pre-season and we won that game.

If he wants to get his position back, he's got to prove that he's still got somthing in his tank. He should be sold out of England now because he is not worthy of a player that should break the goals record set by Sir Bobby Charlton. He does not deserve to be seen in the same light as SBC who is a true Uniyed.

So in your opinion, Rooney was pushed backward from the striking role because he didn't score against Everton? So what about those 10 matches RVP had goals drought and Rooney scored some crucial goals even from a supporting role?

ocephraim: hia s a full script of Moyes' statement as regards d above...

“I think he’s got a major role to play because we
need to try and get as many goals as we possibly
can. I think Wayne can play up-top he can play
dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll
be key. If for any reason we had an injury to
Robin. Robin, we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able
to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well. The first
year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the
players) and how best to use them. It’s a chance
for me to get Wayne right back to where he was.
That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just
him and we don’t concentrate on him.
Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney.”

Me still doesnt see what infuriated Rooney hia o... Plus d media s jst overflogging d whole issue...

Which should have been better for the team? Moyes making above statement or Moyes keeping quiet?

If he wanted to assure RVP, he could have told him in private that his position was secured, ie that he will remain the lead striker.
Last season RVP had some lows but he was left on till end of matches, it was always Rooney or Welbeck who went out for Chicha. Now RVP has just been assured publicly again he is the sacred cow among the four strikers.

I thought they said Sahara reporters were telling lies.

chrisley024: This isn't what I saw on skysports, or did they make it up?

What did you see? That's the full version.

Fabville: Rooney hates competition. I believe that is his problem.

He was the one that said in the first time he handed in a transfer request that the club lacks ambition. Now, the club bought Robin Van Persie to show him that they still have ambition, he is now sulking over that.

David Moyes have said nothing bad about him to have caused him being angry and confused. He should come out and say the real problem
This is exactly what David Moyes said “I think he’s got a major role to play because we need to try and get as many goals as we possibly can. I think Wayne can play up-top he can play dropped in. Overall my thought on Wayne is he’ll be key. If for any reason we had an injury to Robin. Robin, we are going to need him. I want to be able to play the two of them, I want to be able to use Danny Welbeck, Chicarito as well. The first year I think I have to get a chance to see (all the players) and how best to use them. It’s a chance for me to get Wayne right back to where he was. That’s the challenge and a challenge I want to take on. I’ve also got to make sure it’s not just him and we don’t concentrate on him. Manchester United isn’t about Wayne Rooney.”

For clarity sake, Chelsea did not include any player in the bid they made.

I don't believe Utd will sell him to its direct opponent. He will be sold abroad

I have a problem with the media. SAF we have heard and seen his quotes. Moyes we have heard and seen his quotes. But when it comes to Rooney, no quotes. It is usually they believe. The media will even say Rooney's advisor want him to move without any quote of the alleged advisor. It's just speculation. Rooney and his wife might probably be laughing over these things.

One thing the media has succeeded in doing is to make the fans to begin to dislike him, this might end up fueling his urge to leave to Chelsea where he will be treated as a new bride just as RVP is to us now.

Moyes statement was a bit unguided, he appears to want to suggest there will be no automatic shirt for Rooney or trying to reassure RVP, but the media were always going to capitalized. Moyes, welcome to a massive club where every bit of your statement means a lot.

Overall, I am yet to see what will make United allow Rooney to leave.

dademola: lol. Rvp's shirt sales hit d ceiling around december, wen he had already established himsef as our main man. Go n check d records for d most shirt sales as at d very beginning of last season.

Have you checked the history of the club shirt sale? It's normal. Even for Kagawa.

dopeJemi: den wetin go kan happen 2 young, nani, valencia and zaha.. And let's say we get fabregas and not fellani, what will be ur formation?

The house is too overloaded. Hope there won't be need for unnecessarily team rotation. It kills morale of the best players.

dademola: tevez?? go back to my previous post and see d clubs i listed.i dnt nid to be in OT b4 i can decipher simple football administration. Ok lets even agree dt his salary is cos of his shirt sales(rvp has overtaken him FYI). Isnt it common knowledge dt rooney shirt was selling cos he was popular?? Wot made him popular?? Wasnt it cos of his good performances back den??if rooney goes to chelsea and scores 12goals, and he is still as sluggish as he was last season, dnt u fink turnbull wld even sell more shirts dan him in d long run?? His performances aint like b4 again, and d iediot is even asking for a transfer, wen he shud even be d one begging to stay, so as to prove himself, and justify his high salary.

It is not the first time his shirt sale went down temporarily. With RVP arriving it was always going to happen whether he plays well or not. If Bale come for instance, RVP shirt sale will crash for at least one season irrespective of what he plays.

dopeJemi: kagawa is an attacking midfieLder who pLays behind d main striker, don't 4get dat it was rooney who was used behind RVP, don't aLso 4get dat he was pLayed outta position(in d left and rite wing) mainLy because rooney was there.. And if we don't sell him, he'd probabLy be used in dat same position again which wud Limit kagawa's chances unLess moyes decides 2 av 2 strikers upfront

Kagawa played many matches without Rooney being on the pitch. He also played ahead of Rooney in some matches, so I don't see how Rooney hinders him.

Why is it that when some people can't hit form, it is either someone hinders them or the coach didn't utilised them well? When Rafael came it was obvious we didn't need Neville, Brown and Oshea. When Evra came he proved himself over Sylvestre and Heinze, and now still over Fabio and Butner. A player has to prove himself and be consistent about it.

So let these guys prove themselves well and consistently. What works in club A might not work in club B, also in different leagues. Take Torres from Liverpool to Chelsea and Modric from Totteham to Madric as your case study. Whoever thought Torres would struggle. Drogba was thought to be the obstacle.

dopeJemi: kagawa is an attacking midfieLder who pLays behind d main striker, don't 4get dat it was rooney who was used behind RVP, don't aLso 4get dat he was pLayed outta position(in d left and rite wing) mainLy because rooney was there.. And if we don't sell him, he'd probabLy be used in dat same position again which wud Limit kagawa's chances unLess moyes decides 2 av 2 strikers upfront

Kagawa played many matches without Rooney being on the pitch. He also played ahead of Rooney in some matches, so I don't see how Rooney hinders him.

Why is it that when some people can't hit form, it is either someone hinders them or the coach didn't utilised them well? When Rafael came it was obvious we didn't need Neville, Brown and Oshea. When Evra came he proved himself over Sylvestre and Heinze, and now still over Fabio and Butner. A player has to prove himself and be consistent about it.

So let these guys prove themselves well and consistently. What works in club A might not work in club B, also in different leagues. Take Torres from Liverpool to Chelsea and Modric from Totteham to Madric as your case study. Whoever thought Torres would struggle. Drogba was thought to be the obstacle.

dopeJemi: kagawa is an attacking midfieLder who pLays behind d main striker, don't 4get dat it was rooney who was used behind RVP, don't aLso 4get dat he was pLayed outta position(in d left and rite wing) mainLy because rooney was there.. And if we don't sell him, he'd probabLy be used in dat same position again which wud Limit kagawa's chances unLess moyes decides 2 av 2 strikers upfront

Kagawa played many matches without Rooney being on the pitch. He also played ahead of Rooney in some matches, so I don't see how Rooney hinders him.

Why is it that when some people can't hit form, it is either someone hinders them or the coach didn't utilised them well? When Rafael came it was obvious we didn't need Neville, Brown and Oshea. When Evra came he proved himself over Sylvestre and Heinze, and now still over Fabio and Butner. A player has to prove himself and be consistent about it.

So let these guys prove themselves well and consistently. What works in club A might not work in club B, also in different leagues. Take Torres from Liverpool to Chelsea and Modric from Totteham to Madric as your case study. Whoever thought Torres will struggle. Drogba was thought to be the obstacle.

The agent of AS Roma defender Marquinhos says his client has attracted offers from three massive clubs.

Roberto Calenda has suggested that Manchester United, Barcelona and Paris Saint-Germain have all lodged bids with the Giallorossi for the 19-year old Brazilian centre-back.

"There are offers from PSG, Manchester United and Barcelona - and Roma could accept one of them," (Source: Mundo Deportivo)

coogar: connect the dots yourself - rooney hates gym work. since 2010, he turns up fat and unfit for preseason games. piqué told us about rooney's diet few years ago. he eats like an elephant, drinks like a sailor and he's the stereotypical british lad with the british drinking culture......

he's finished!



there has never been a time rooney has not struggled to be fit. just before he signed for us, he broke his metatarsal in 2004. he broke it again in 2006 against chelsea. yet, he broke his metatarsal again in 2007(opening game of the season). when has rooney ever been fit? he's the same age as ronaldo and ronaldo hardly ever misses games.



how come ronaldo at 28 is waxing stronger and rooney is depreciating? if rooney can no longer push like he did at 25 then he should simply retire or get his wages slashed to £90k. there's no way he should be getting £250k per week when the comparison is with nani. nani does not cop £250k per week.

to whom much is given, so much is expected!

If Rooney has never been fit how manage he has so much high match appearances season after season? One good thing about his injuries is that they don't keep him out for too long unlike other players with same problems. Most times he misses the first three or four games of the season and then comes back. But his best time for fitness has always been from December to May. People have different bodies. Even our blood are not the same.

Now you use Ronaldo to compare. Ronaldo is a different being from so many players. Take Giggs and Schole. Giggs is always fit while Scholes is prone to injuries, but both are great.

Many great players suffer injuries and it doesn't mean they aren't fit. Drogba, Vidic, Xavi, etc.

People keep saying Rooney is fat, when has he ever been slim? I saw his video clip when he was 10 years old. It's just his built just as Hulk of Brazil.

dademola: u don start again. R we paying rooney 250k per week to cme as score 12 goals?? Weda u like it or not, rooney's recent performances aint comensurate wif his fat salary. Dis is manchester united, and not psg, monaco or mancity, rememba?? Pls stop playing dt card of " his worst is berra dan most playr's best". Ts very annoying. And u're alws dodging d transfer request issue. I'm sure u even feel fergie lied about it. Bros, ur stand on d rooney issue makes u d most sentimental person in dis forum jur

How much is City paying Tevez? How many goals did he score?

How can you use one season to judge him. He did not even lead the strike force, he was mostly played in various positions to help remedy some situations.

In terms of salary, you are not in Old Trafford to know the parameter used to reach his wages. Someone whose revenue from Jersey sale has probably earned the club money huge enough to pay the entire team over the years. Look at what the club gets from kits sale, and when you consider Rooney accounted for half of the club Jersey sale for a long period then you will understand. That is a whole lot of corporate and financial decision. No one goes to the market to make loses.

Even if Chelsea buys him for 50 million, they will recoup all of that in no time. I can bet it.