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Different length fasts accomplish different thingsNote, we are not talking about church fasting here)

1- three day fast - aids in eliminating toxins and cleanses the blood
2- five day fast - begins "healing and rebuilding the immune system"
3- ten day fast - heads off problems in the making and helps to prevent illness, including degenerative diseases

http://www.allaboutfasting.com/how-long-should-you-fast.html

More stringent guidelines recommend you have supervision by a fasting professional whenever attempting a fast longer than 3-5 days.

@ Op, Is worship the singing of songs? If yes, please provide me with some scriptural backing. I will be very grateful.

Also try blending fresh moringa leaves and giving her to drink, she might just be lacking some minerals or nutrients in the body.
She should also eat natural sea or Himalayan salt, it contents lots of minerals to. Some people apply moringa on their bodies for skin diseases, i have never try that one

Truelove4orphan: If you check through my earlier replies, you will find out I stated I have a good job and I am very content with were the Lord has placed me.
The truth is I use to be worse than most of you attacking me now. I never wanted to here any preaching or even think of talking about God. The me of then actually would have even condemned this kind of topic so much. But since I encountered Christ Jesus back in 2010, my life never remained thesame. Now look at me doing this and I am not even worried of being condemned.
I will not say am a pastor or prophet, I am just an instrument of Gods light and glory. My passion is caring for the orphans and I will never deviate from that calling.
The one thing I am confident about is that God is with me and through me, so many lives will be touched.

I and they that the Lord has given me are made for signs an wonders

Okay

I will also add, do a sea salt water solution and you will see the tummy go! note: It should be sea salt or Himalayan salt: A big NO to iodize or table salt.
http://www.spiritportal.org/salt-water-purge.html
http://www.yogitrition.com/salt-water-flush-for-colon-cleansing/
http://realfoodswitch.com/detox/perform-salt-water-flush-cleanse-colon/

nora544: I have every week one day when I still make it, I didnot lose weight again but I keep it and that is okay and it is good for the body.
I have girlfriend she lose more than 90 pounds with this, in two years.

The fasting what is preached in Nigeria is not good for the body because it will slow down the metabolism and after the 100 days people will get more weight faster.

I know a woman she wrote on a wedding homepage our praying and fasting give us a good daughter in law but when I see her she looks like the first lady in nigeria and I was asking me what fasting did she make until I found it out.

Amazing for that your friend! I have been looking for ways to maintain my weight but you know ""fooooooddddd'' so as from today i am going back to my intermittent fast! I want a long term life style.

The religious kind of fast is a great danger in our society and we should not encourage people to undertake it.

Truelove4orphan: Some of the post I can see here show more of how little your faith are.
If you sow a seed, and you request that which you desire from God, why would you imagine you request wont be met? This simply means there isnt any faith in you.
When God told Abraham to sacrifies his only son which took him so many years to have, Abraham never questioned God and did as he was asked. What does this tell? Abraham had absolute faith in God. He knew that the God who gave him and his wife a child at that age when they naturally thought they couldnt have a child, had a reason for asking him to sacrifies his son. He believed in his heart that God who called him the father of nations and wanted to take his only son had a greater plan for him, and that was why he never challenged Gods instructions.
Faith is a key to so many doors in our lives. With faith we can receive the unexpected of all desires.
I am not moved by all who has been attacking me here because God already knows the outcome of the message I gave.

Please do not misinterpret what faith is; don't you know that God took Abraham and asked him to count the stars? You think Abraham believed/had faith in God from no where? Why don't you have faith for a better job OP than to go around begging. Did apostle paul burdened people the way you guys do nowadays?

Truelove4orphan: This is what the Holy Bible says in James 2vs.14-18:
What good is it if you say you have faith but do not show it by your actions? Can that kind of faith save anyone? Suppose you see a brother or sister who has no food or clothings, and you say "goodbye and have a good day, stay warm and eat well" but then you dont give that person any food or clothing. What good does that do? So you see, faith by itself isnt enough. Unless it produces good deeds, it is dead and useless.
Now some may argue, "some people have faith and others have good deeds." But I say, "How can you show me your faith if you dont have good deeds? I will show you my faith by my good deeds."

My beloved brothers and sisters, whatever you do, God knows your good deeds and knows how to reward you for it.
Like I said earlier, dont think you are giving me gifts, put the orphans in your heart which is where God Almighty sees through.

Even Apostle Paul never burden the churches with asking for money! Please i advice you, don't become a career pastor or prophet or whatsoever. Kindly look for a job for your self, sow a seed to any other ministry and God will give you your desired job.

nora544: I know what you mean we call this Intermittent fasting, we have it in my country also, you eat one day and the next day you drink only water and tea and one or two cup black coffee, that is realy very good for the health and you can lose weight also with this. You should not eat for 24 hours. When you didnot eat the body first eat the cell who are not okay so peole who make this stay healthy and the cancer risk is lower.

I know what nigerians understand on fasting it is the same than the muslim make, I learn about this when Adeboye told his followers to fast for 100 days and I was asking me how a normal person can make this until I found it out, this fasting has no health efect and makes more harm to the body.

I know from what I speak because I lose weight with this and I make this together with a doctor from the University of medicine in Vienna and I can say it works realy realy very good but we learn also to eat healthy that is also very important.

Thank you Nora544 for clarifying. I forgot that here in Naija when people hear the word "'fast'', they misconceive it to mean the kind of fasting going on in churches today!(i will not advice people to undergo that kind). Even me i did the intermittent fasting also and the results were amazing on my overall health including my weight loss goals.

Truelove4orphan: I do not have control over how God works. One thing I know for sure is that God is faithful and true in everything He says.
This is not a business venture where I would be saying the gift you gave to an orphan will be refunded because you didnt get your expectations.
Would it be fair to give out a gift with good faith and then turn back to collect it because your expectations didnt come to pass immediately? Then it means you never gave it with love in the first place and why then do you even expect to receive from the father who already knows what you have in mind. Do not ever put the Lord God to test, always remember that.
If you expectations are not immediately met doesnt mean it will never be met, keep the faith burning and always remember you are not mere doing it just because I have given you this message and you just want a miracle. The basis for doing this is for LOVE from your heart.
Do it for the love for orphans and not miracles. God sees everything and has His own reward.

You said here

I keep hearing his voice say "just sow a seed with love and ask of me whatsoever you desire". Dont take this as a joke, I speak in spirit and in truth just the way the message has come to me

This is a covenant, meaning i should do my part and God will do His part abi? So if i do my part and God doesn't do His part why will i not come back for my money?

Truelove4orphan: James
1vs.7 says "Pure and genuine religion in the sight of God means caring
for orphans and widows in their distress and refusing to let the world
corrupt you".
If you take this seriously and do as instructed below, I promise you
will have a testimony before this very hour by month end.
Just bring out N1,000 note, pray on it with psalms 91 and ask whatsoever
you having been seeking. Sacrifies your time by going into any Zenith
Bank and sow this N1,000 to:
True Love Foundation, Acc No: 2006684741.
Immediately to leave the bank, bless God in your heart and ask that the
seed you have sown in the life of an orphan today shall bring forth you
testimony.
Take this very seriously and you will testify for yourself that which
the Lord has done for you before this very hour by month end.
Please also share this message with others around you, and you will see
the manifestation of the Almighty God in your life.

God bless and protect you; Amen.

Since you call it religion good! that is what religion does, scam people of their hard earned money.

The Thief (Religion" cometh not but to steal, kill and destroy. I have come that you may have life and have it to the fullest.

chinedu202000: @Elijah78.The challenge/problem you have is lack of understanding. mountains here means obstacles, challenges etc confronting you. God won't help you talk to them, He will only confirm/perform what you speak. why? Numbers 14:28 Say unto them, As truly as I live, saith the LORD, as ye have spoken in mine ears, so will I do to you: so what are you speaking?

okay i hear you.

nora544: Please stop this bull s h i t and fasting will help

That is a problem from the body and it need a doctor!

please read this on wiki it is realy good and in europa and america they know more about it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uterine_fibroid

Please forget this 30 day fasting it will make nothing.

Sorry nora544, if i mention the word fasting, it does not mean spiritual praying. I am talking about a cure which people have experienced around me, and that is what was practiced when there were no ''doctors''. It didn't necessarily mean it most be 30 days dear. You have to know that human beings were program to stay without food for quite some time before their muscle can be destroy for energy. but for shorter periods the fats and strange growths/tumors are consumed for energy. Anyway excuse me for my suggestion.

I suggest the OP looks at these webpages:

''We recently had a guest at our fasting clinic who was startled to find that on day 7 of her water-only fast, she could no longer feel a uterine fibroid in her lower abdomen that she had been carrying around for years''.

http://drbenkim.com/articles-uterine-fibroids.html
http://www.naturalfibroids.com/water-fasting-prevent-and-shrink-uterine-fibroids/#.U_iHvlCw3mc
http://www.collective-evolution.com/2014/06/22/scientists-discover-that-fasting-triggers-stem-cell-regeneration-fights-cancer/

Water fasting forces the body to burn fat for energy, but you need to monitor this carefully and with supervision, because it is a difficult type of fasting. Many health specialists, alternative or not, state that the benefits by doing this are extraordinary.

wakes: use Moringa seeds They are the best natural detox you can trust.

Yeah this true it works perfectly well. At times i also just chew much like 200 grams of fresh moringa leaves.

spicyhoney: Hello house,

Pls apart from the use of water, are there other natural and healthy ways to detoxification? someone told me to take bitter leaf but I don't know how effective it would be and I hate bitter things. Another told me to use 'Yoyo Bitters'.

Suggestions of what i can use would be welcomed, thank you.

I have been doing the Salt water Purge for the past one year and it has helped me all round including my weight loss goals. The purge cleans the entire alimentary canal from mouth to anus. Additionally, this salt water cleanser, after it has cleaned the alimentary canal, begins to clean at the cellular level, removing toxins and wastes that may have accumulated in and around the cells. Thus, the body can absorb nutrition from the food, and the cells can absorb the nutrition from the body. Note here we are talking about natural sea salt or Himalayan salt. Please never use table salt or iodized as it is poisonous to your system.

“Isn’t salt bad for you?”

The salt water solution is the same specific gravity (the same salt content) as the rest of the saline based fluids of the body. It therefore passes out of the alimentary canal without being absorbed or retained. Furthermore, once the system is clean and balanced, using a little salt to flavor your food will do no harm because the body is functioning properly, eliminating wastes, and absorbing nutrition as it should. As a result, the body can easily process salt along with other minerals and vitamins.

how i do it.
Every weekend first thing in the morning, i take a 1 litre bottle fill with warm water and put two teaspoons of sea salt to it. I drink and lo, it works always. It you can't handle the taste of the salt, you can add a lime/lemon kill the taste. It works perfectly well. Some advice to do it every day for the first 7 days, which i equally did.

for more infos:
http://www.spiritportal.org/salt-water-purge.html
How to perform it:
http://realfoodswitch.com/detox/perform-salt-water-flush-cleanse-colon/

N/B sea salt has a lot of minerals that are good for your body, and like i said above, never use iodized or table salt.

Birds of a feather flocked together. Obama vs Pastor Chris.

Cutekemitola: ok thanks a lot,u ve made me understand it more...personally,I ll devout myself to listening to gospel music,cos it brings me steps closer to God...thanks once again

You are welcome.

Yes, but we don't chose when and when not to speak in tongues. God can decide to impart the gift on you now for a particular purpose and when the purpose is achieved it will depart. no monopoly of gifts in the house of God. Not what we see in churches today.

nora544: That is not the first time I hear this. A good friend just told me realy the same last year, also he told me of a RCCG Pastor who told one pregnat woman who awsk him what she should do because the doctor told her that she will need a cesarean because two kids and not the right position, the pastor told her that she should come in the church and with prayer and Gods help all will went well, after 3 days in the church they brought her to the hospital, but it was to late the woman and the kids die.

Daddy go want only to be together with very big nigerians and since the biggest nigeria kneel bevor him he know about his power ,why he has to fly to UK to the wedding of a son from a pastor from nigeria (he is also one of the super rich pastors), that has nothing to to with preaching the gospel.

Quiet revealing. Hope those who have patronized these so called pastors are reading this.

Cutekemitola: Mr Elijah,is dere a particular music we shouldn't be listening to? I wanna find out,cos I had missed music on ma fone(gospel and secular) which I always enjoyed listening to,but since my phone formatted,I ve been more drawn to want to knw God more..and am thinking maybe d kind of music I listened to drawed me away frm God..

Sorry for comming back to you late @Cutekemitola.


If i understand you very well brethren, it means you are actually talking about worship or praise songs. If that is the case tarry with me a little longer here in this post.

Okay let us start:

1: Background
The worship experience in the traditional church today is man-made and specifically designed to appeal to the flesh. It’s a deception that allows its participants to feel good about themselves and about their standing with God. It allows them to feel like they’ve been close to God, have His approval, and are free to leave His presence unchanged because no change is required. A worshiper can stand in a service, sing a song about God’s love or His wonderful promises, close his eyes, raise his hands, get an ecstatic look on his face, and "feel" like he’s in the presence of God. It’s a deception perpetrated by so-called pastors and worship leaders who claim to have the ability to lead people into the presence of God.

2: Introduction
Of course The presence of God is characterized by just the opposite feelings and actions portrayed by those who actually found themselves in the presence of God in Scripture(you can read for yourself instances where Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses, David etc worshiped God). There, they were confronted by their weak, sinful condition and were constrained to prostrate themselves in reverence and repentance before an Omnipotent, Holy God.

The presence of God is determined by the condition of your heart, not by the location of your body (in church, Sunday morning, and 10:00 AM sharp) or the songs we sing to make us feel good. Remember God looks on the heart and He knows when we’re serious and really want to be with Him and when we’re just playing a religious game.

3: What happens when we get alone with God in His presence to have a conversation with Him and what happens when we engage in religious ritual.
When we get alone with God, realize that we are, in fact, in His presence, and submit ourselves to Him, the game playing ends. The religious pretense goes away. We either get real or we get out! You cannot remain in the true presence of God without submitting to Him. You cannot remain in the true presence of God without realizing your rebellious, sinful condition. You cannot remain in the true presence of God unless you repent and determine to make changes. This alone is enough to expose the worship experience and public prayer rituals for what they really are – religious deception that falls into the category of the doctrines of demons. How do we believers know it’s false? There’s no evidence of any real response to God. Where are the confession, the repentance, and the forgiveness? What is changing? Remember what worship is

Jesus illustrates the difference in Luke 18:9-14. This is the parable about the tax collector and the Pharisee who went into the temple to pray. It’s important to see what Jesus says about the Pharisee in verse 11, "the Pharisee stood proudly and prayed this way to himself…" God wasn’t interested in anything he had to say. The Pharisee was talking to himself. This is exactly what goes on in the churches around us today.
On the other hand, the tax collector went over to a corner of the Temple enclosure by himself to pray. He was so ashamed he wouldn’t so much as raise his eyes towards God. He was truly repentant and God knew it. Jesus says the tax collector left that place in right standing before God. What was the difference between the Pharisee and the tax collector? It was the condition of their hearts. And this is what determines the presence of God. And this is what all of this journey should be doing to all of us who have embarked on it.

Now public prayers and worship are terrible things. See what Jesus had to say Matthew 6:Verse 6. If you’re going to talk to God, go to a quiet, private place and just talk to Him. And even though you can’t see Him, He sees you. And He’ll honor your personal, heart-felt conversation by responding to you in ways that confirm that He heard you. Here If you follow the example of religious leaders today, you could draw that conclusion. They talk to God in public. Tell Him what to do or what they want. Okay we know for ourselves what happens when you are asked to pray in public, we craft words, say sweet things etc just to please our listeners!!!!!!!!. Jesus said if you are praying in public, wh are you really praying too? The Father cannot honor such prayer. Matt 5:Verse 5. When you pray, don’t be religious about it. Don’t recite long, flowery prayers in public, where everyone can hear. When you do that, who are you really talking to? Sorry i am just jumping up and down.

Now, if you want to talk about praise, that’s a different subject. Praise can definitely be a public, group activity, as well as a private, personal one. But can people really praise a God they don’t know and understand?

He wants to change us and that is our salvation! And if we’re not changing, then all we’re really doing is going through the motions of being religious. Scripture has revealed to us the general, over-all will and purpose of God for Mankind which is that God wants to deliver us from who we are to who He is (Romans 8:28-29).We can only get our own individual Will and purpose for our lives when we seek him in a personal relationship which is what we are doing here(just me and God, in His presence).

Now when we know that God wants to change us to the image of His Son, we are more apt to recognize the opportunities He is giving us to change. If you submit yourself to God and to His purpose (which is why we have all engage in this journey) He will confront you with your faults and give you the opportunities you need to correct them. e.g, if you are someone who easily gets angry, God can just send people to annoyed and anger you, you need to prove that you really want to submit to God and to His will and be CHANGED, by not getting angry. When you are in His presence you can talk it out with Him, how you felt about it, discuss just everything with Him, He wants to hear that, He loves it when you are sincere, that also shows that you are determined in your journey of seeking Him.

The Father not only responds to our sincere, heart-felt conversations with Him, He knows so much about us and our situation and our lives that He already knows what we need before we even ask. What He desires is a relationship of such intimacy that we’re able to tap into this knowledge that He has concerning us.

4: Conclusion
Salvation is a long, slow, painful, glorious, exciting, fearful, joyful process that requires courage, determination and perseverance. Why? Jesus says so, that’s why.

We are also asked to make melody in our hearts unto God.

If you listen to any music and your conscience doesn't judge you then okay, if it does, then you can stop it. Note, if only you have not seared your conscience.

Romans 2:14-15. This is what he says: "When the Gentiles, who have not the Law, instinctively do the things required by the Law, they show that they have a law for themselves, even though they don’t have the Law. In this, they prove the essential requirements of the Law are written in their hearts (fixed and operating there), their consciences witnessing with them, so that their thoughts between them (and their conscience) either continually accuse or excuse them."

You can read about the Good Conscience here: http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/good_conscience.htm

Sorry for the lengthy posts.

N/B The ability to recognise God's silent, indistinguishable voice is not gained quickly or easily, neither is it acquired (through the laying of hands by powerful anointed prophets and pastors etc). apart for a general understanding of the will and purpose og God for manking which is to change us from who we are to who He is.

Jesus never took authority over demons by yelling at them and the scripture says Jesus is our example. He took authority over them by submitting Himself to the Father. There’s a good passage in I Peter 5:6-11 that tells us how to deal with evil and the snares of the Devil.

Okay lets get more real, please can you talk to the mountains and ask them to be cast into the sea? I am not talking here of the uzziahs, because we cannot be able to verify that, but for the mountains you will be sure that your faith is working, i me to my faith will be lifted up. Thank you.

The church is a group of people living with Jesus, sharing their experiences with one another, as they live with Him; nothing more; but certainly, nothing less!

A community of believers undergoing change together, submitting to His will and purpose, being conformed to the image of Christ, as they are being saved (yes, salvation is a continuing process that has a starting point, but no ending point, read Luke 9:23-24; I Corinthians 1:18; Philippians. 2:12-13; Hebrews 3:14 and I Peter 2:2-3 in the NIV, a translation that actually gets it right).

A church is not a group of people who have designed the rituals to undergo when they meet together e.g, worship and praise, offerings, message, intercessory prayers, etc. This one is a religious institution. What the religious institutions we see around us do is ''entertainment''

When scripture say ""the devil cometh not but to steal, to kill, and to destroy"" it was actually referring to RELIGION, not satan.

Cutekemitola: Elijah tanx for the encouragement..God bless you...and bluish,good evening...I did try fasting today,but I had a busy day...I ll read my bible tonite.....i appreciate wat yuh doing...God bless you

Concerning the issue of fasting if you read carefully across, you will see i have asked a question about fasting and torchwave''s response inspired me.

Elijah78: At what point do i need to fast brethren?

Torchwave: I am no authority on fasting but I will suggest you fast when you are led to do it.

In my case, since I began searching for God, I make sure I never eat much during the day and nothing, or very little at most, at night so as not to be weighed down whenever I wake to pray. I always go to bed hungry or partly satisfied because then my flesh is subdued and my spirit becomes alive to receive from God. That is how I go about taming my flesh which is akin to fasting.

It is real difficult, more difficult than fasting because it is now my way of life and it works wonderfully.

However, if the fasting you have in mind is for another purpose, then embark on it if your heart tells you to do so.

Note: Fasting does not change God; it makes your spirit rise above your flesh so that you can pray effectively and be able to receive fresh revelation from God for your life since your spirit is in the driver's seat and God communicates with the spirit.

Note if you seek God and finally inter into His rest, He Himself will tell you what to do. However congratulations on your fasting.

Cutekemitola: Elijah tanx for the encouragement..God bless you...and bluish,good evening...I did try fasting today,but I had a busy day...I ll read my bible tonite.....i appreciate wat yuh doing...God bless you

You are welcome brethren, remember we are here to share our experiences in our journey of seeking God so as to encourage one another. We are here in fellowship.

bluish: @elijah78
thanks a lot for ur insightful post, GOD bless u

You are welcome brethren! We should note that seeking God is like building a house, we have to count the cost else we will abandon in and people will laugh at us.

Matt 6:13
And finally, ask Him to protect you from yourself and from all the evil that surrounds you in the world.

I didn't actually mean i am an uzziah etc in someone's life, The issue is this, just as we see other's to be uzziahs etc in our lives, thatz who people see us to be uzziahs in their lives. It is that simple.

But Jesus taught us how to pray, that God should protect us from the uzziahs if there be any. We say that God is the one to avenge our enemies, then while go further to do the vengeance by passing a decree, is God that helpless?

churches were meant to be what we called house fellowships. no pulpits were involve in early churches. the evention of man to make religion palatable is really amazing.

That is what religion does so don't be supprise.

this is real serious, though i could not read the whole stuff, the one of evoking angels got me laughing seriously. The creator of the universe cannot be the author of your experience and check out maybe you are still in possession of those your past life powers that makes you to think you have been called. read you bible very well apostle!

You can not talk to your Father that way. You talk to Him just the way you can do to your earthly father.
Simply ask Him to protect you first from the evil that is in us and the one that is in the world. As a matter of fact, every living being is a Herod, uzziah, pharaoh etc in each and every one's live. how many will give way?