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Boss13:
Please share your experience for our overall benefit

PastorKun:
I am not sure if Tb joshua has an acting school but I am almost certain that his partner in crime(oyakhilome) has one.

vooks:
Has Pastor Joe Agbaje paid up?

sonOfLucifer:
You are a fool. Stop this blasphemy you motherfucker. Satan has never promised any one healing or material blessings. Fucking Chrestards. Stop spreading lies. Animals...

Joagbaje:
Salvation is complete Prosperity spirit soul and
Body.

Joagbaje:
MY FULL RESPONSE

torchwave: Elijah78, Mbaemeka, and Benjibabs, please let's quit the argument. It has not only taken the thread a completely different route from the one originally intended but has also succeeded in killing the spirit and interest of participation in that regard.

Seeking God is the primary purpose of the thread. Every other thing should be related to that by way of advice, helpful tips in seeking God, challenges in seeking God, sharing as well as documenting experiences in seeking God and the likes so that those who read them will be strengthened and blessed, thus they will be encouraged to persevere in seeking God.

Remain blessed as you do this.

manmustwac: She was a prayer warrior [s]or what I prefer to call a talking to yourself warrior[/s] She didn't even listen to the advice from her people about Ebola.

You see what religion dose to people.

Joagbaje: All these small minded people. Small minds gossip about others. Hope you guys won't have heart attack one day.

And concerning the photo why not tell us the story behind it. That it's a government function in a university . That the state governor and other officials were there at the opening of the ultral modern lecture theater donated by pastor chris to his former university. The place was flooded with security . Why not tell us the whole truth of your pictorial scandal . Instead of giving an impression it's a church service.

mbaemeka: You don't seem to read posts well or maybe you don't understand what you read.

You are not a Christian. You are not Saved. You do not have the Holy Spirit of God in you. You WILL NEVER hear the voice of God.

You didn't leave anywhere to come here. You were never part of where you were. Demas saw all the miracles Paul did and heard all the teachings yet he still abandoned Paul because of his fear of persecution. Judas betrayed Jesus.

There's nothing hidden under the sun. The only way has been revealed to men over 2000 years ago. Any other way without the Holy Spirit is from thieves and Robbers. But God's sheep will know his voice and will refuse the one's from strangers. But those who do not have God's Spirit will be misled and we be 'being' misled till God has mercy on them.

Keep striving bro. When you have entered let me know.

Olusanya333: Jesus Christ make everyone who believe in him a Man of God. So if someone tell u i'm a Man of God ask him "Am I a man of Devil?"

mbaemeka: Elijah78,

Before I made a post directed at you I could already discern that all was not right and you have confirmed it. No wonder you are so confused about the basic teachings concerning the gospel- the one you want to have us believe that you are so grounded in.

I put it to you today that you are not saved and as such have no part in the gospel of Jesus Christ. Which explains why you are striving to enter; trying to go to God's presence; and wanting to hear from God's voice both still and audible. Or how do I explain the situation were a supposed Christian impetuously asserts that he doesn't have the Holy Spirit in him. That is not just hapless, it is actually worrisome how you would then expect to drink daily from that fresh anointing that comes from on high.

I have made it a personal mission of mine to intensify my efforts towards praying for you as yours may not be a case of sheer ignorance (which I once suspected), it might just be that you are pandering to the whims of seducing spirits from the darkness that surrounds this present world that you and I still live in.

As per exposing the unfruitful works of darkness as taught by Paul, we thank God he said exposing 1) Unfruitful works; meaning they produce no results and 2) that the works and not the person's teaching the works were to be exposed. The question we would now ask you is what are those unfruitful works of darkness?

Do you mean that a woman who got her femur smashed to virtual pieces during an accident yet was able to walk out after the anointing was administered by the word of God is an unfruitful work of darkness?

Do you mean that unstopping deaf ears, blind eyes, making the lame to walk and dematerializing tumours by the name of Jesus are unfruitful works of darkness?

Then what are the fruitful works of light as stipulated in the scriptures and what were Paul and all the other apostles known for? How could you also corroborate their testimonies and yet deny the one's that happen before your very eyes?

The answer is already clear to me. You do not have the Holy one of God resident in you and as such you have believed in vain. Christ is not lord of your life and your sins are still in tact. And as such you are sin conscious and dead in your sins and will never hear the 'still' voice of God.

You also called me a novice and that should be the funniest thing I have heard all year. Your Pastor (if you had one) cannot call me that let alone you who is still rambling between ignorance and Agnostism. You are still waiting to be delivered when Paul has already told us by the Holy Spirit that we have already been delivered from the power of darkness and have been made to sit in the Kingdom of God's dear son in light.

Keep waiting to be delivered and striving to come into zion. When you get there let us know. But while at it keep your new revelations of Paul being sick and God testing Abrahams faith as possible signs of affliction to yourself. Because someone who hasn't entered the kingdom will not be able to bring others in (and I pray to God that this statement doesn't pass you by).

This might be my last post to you on this regard.

if a Man of God is married, it does not automatically mean the wife of the Man of God is therefore a Women of God! That's not how it is in the Bible. That's why you don't really find wives of Men of God listed in the bible. How many of them? Who was Peter's wife? Did you ever know her name?

SirJohn: They were equally the things I believed for a long time too; until of course I decided to answer some of the questions about these doctrines that bugged me. To clearly understand how very unscriptural these doctrines are, I think it is necessary for you to know its origin. I do not know if the 'Word of Faith Movement' has been treated on this forum otherwise I will endeavour to talk about it in different post. There, I will address all the issues I highlighted and many others.

I discovered that all wheelchair cases taken to the healing line for ministration were people whose conditions were not such that they couldn't stand or walk. in other words, the people you see popping out of wheelchairs in those videos can both previously stand and walk. They are carefully selected through a process I will discuss later.

Secondly, to my utter amazement, I also discovered that several other people whom I had seen on different occasions walking around the hall unaided and without any sign of pain or disability during the two weeks session were put on wheelchairs or made to lie on stretchers during this healing service.

I remember a particular man who came for that session; he had been involved in a motor accident which left him with a spinal injury. He had difficulty walking normally because he couldn’t bend both knees while walking (I had seen him walking) he came with a neck guard and two crutches to support himself properly while walking. I observed that two days after coming to the healing school, he started exercising his faith by moving around without the neck guard and crutches, that was how he moved around for two weeks. During the healing service, I was shocked to see the same man with his neck guard and crutches which he hadn't used for two weeks. Pastor Chris prayed for him and took the neck guard off as though it was a big deal, the congregation applauded and stood to their feet as he went on to take the crutches from the man; he then asked the man to walk.

It was a challenge reading through your post because you made alot of pleonastic references not pertaining to me or the subject matter in discuss.

I asked you that question to prove to you that your beliefs were inconsistent. You cannot in one breath say you are waiting on God to speak to you[b] audibly[/b] and in another breath say that someone who healed a sick person by the power of God is a false prophet or whatnot and I told you why: because the Holy Spirit, who makes the voice of God manifest to you is the same person who causes miracles of healings to happen. So if you tell him his miracles are wrought by evil spirits and then kneel from now till eternity asking him to speak to you, you will be waiting in futility because you would not hear him.

Another point you made which is laughable really is the one about saying you don't want any manifestations of his person and yet you are on this thread talking about seeking him. Brother, hearing from him is one of the ways he manifests himself to those who have a relationship. So quit the contradictions and understand my points well.

Moreso, you talked about defending what you call sinful acts by Christians. I should ask you to add unsubstantiated media-inspired sinful acts when you talk and then I will ask you how you could confirm it before you passed judgment. You see, because you cannot confirm anything and by so doing pass wrong judgment you are advised to shut up and let God be the real judge. He didn't send you to do it.

Have you studied Jesus' response to John the Baptists disciples when they came to ask him if he was the Messiah that was expected? What did Jesus do? Did he not direct them to his works and then whisper to them to tell John not to be offended by him.

Jesus secretly scolded John but when he Praised John, he did so openly and I take my cue from Jesus. I know I am a member of his body; flesh and bones and I don't take it for granted. I don't glory in the 'purported' shortcomings of others, instead I go on my knees making prayerful intercessions for them because of our union in Christ.

The people we ought to be circumspect of are those who take joy in trying to bring other christians down for that is against the Spirit of Christ. We ought to have natural love for anyone who calls upon the name of the lord. That was my own Christian upbringing. Maybe yours was different and I can tell you plainly that I do not envy you.

If you understood a whiff of the salvation you say you are "striving" on to get then you would throw away the striving part and just rest in the rest that God has already provided through christ. You talked about going to God's presence everyday and I heard the Spirit say "that's why many of my children live like I don't exist. They think they come and go away from my presence but they don't, for I am in them and they are in me always".

We don't go and come into the presence of God- No, we live there. We aren't matching into Zion, we are already there. That gospel of trying to enter through the narrow way is not from God. Many have already entered into God and are living there presently. If you could understand this it would revolutionize your walk with God.

I saw what you said about if God wills it I will defeat the devil and if he doesn't I will be tormented by the devil and again the Spirit spoke "it's a lie, it's a lie, it's a lie". God has already defeated the devil on our behalf and then he gave us his name to enforce his victory over the devil. That teaching about being tormented by the devil is a lie from the very one who was cast down from heaven who would like to make himself appear powerful-Not to those who know who they are in Christ.

Of course, Christian maturity is about surrendering your personal ambitions and letting God's take preeminence but we are not ignorant of Satan's devices. He will attack you with sickness and have you believe that God is "humbling" you and that is a big lie! For God has already taken away sicknesses from us by Jesus' death on the Cross. So we cannot lump all of them together. We must learn to hear from God himself in all situations which is what I agree with.

As for the rest of your drivelling about seeking and what not, again I say to you that I am not against desiring to hear from God and waiting on him. I only told you some of the things that can hinder you and blasphemy is a major one. Ignorance is another and inability to pray in the Spirit is another.

Ignorance, for example someone says God's ways are not our ways, his thoughts and not our thoughts etc. Ok. Jesus said he is THE way. If you know Jesus you know God's way. Paul said let this mind be in you which was also in Christ. If you know Christs thoughts you can know God's too. Afterall the essence of relationship is so that we can get to know whoever it is we desire a relationship with and the person who we are taught by scripture to have a relationship with is the Holy Spirit.

It is when we learn to understand him through fellowship that we can distinguish his voice from that of our minds or the devil's as the case may be.

torchwave: Elijah78, that was inspiring. It also spoke to me as I believe it will speak to others. God bless.

“It’s a heartbreaking development because now we know that that directive was introduced to justify why Pastor Chris has to be in Lagos and his wife in London but beyond that, it is encouraging immorality while the church believes that we have an unusual grace that covers our human failings, including adultery”.

[quote author=mbaemeka]Elijah78,

First off this is not a response to my question neither is it in anyway related to anything I know or stand for. I never said I didn't believe in hearing from God. I said you won't hear from God and I told you why: the Person of the Godhead who makes it possible for someone to hear the voice of God is the Holy Spirit and you cannot blaspheme him and expect him to speak.

mbaemeka:

When you hear from God I will respond to your question even if you avoided mine. While at it ask shdemidemi if it is possible to hear from God. I will like to see his "accurate" response to that question.

mbaemeka: How can you prove the message you believe is right and what others believe is wrong??

The Person of the Godhead who makes it possible for someone to hear the voice of God is the Holy Spirit and you cannot blaspheme him and expect him to speak He is a gentle person- if he is grieved he would not abandon you but he would not manifest himself to you till you repent from your actions and ask him for forgiveness. So you might as well add that to your programme on hearing from or seeking the face of God.

On another note, please study indepth and with the help of God's Spirit. He never told you that Salvation was difficult or requiring much effort for it doesn't depend on anything you have to do or achieve for him. He already came in the flesh to make salvation possible without your even asking for his help- indeed when you were still very dead in sin.

So don't miss it. You get saved first (you receive his salvation) then you develop your relationship with him. You receive eternal life and then you use it to suppress the flesh. You don't follow Christ so he can defeat the devil for you; You are in him already and therefore above Satan and his cohorts because he has already defeated them. That's the gospel I know and yes I have a personal relationship with God that I continue to foster as I await his appearing.

mbaemeka:
When you hear from God I will respond to your question even if you avoided mine. While at it ask shdemidemi if it is possible to hear from God. I will like to see his "accurate" response to that question

That's the gospel I know and yes I have a personal relationship with God that I continue to foster as I await his appearing.

mbaemeka: I can prove the message I believe is right because I can (first of all) show you the scripture that teaches it and then I can demonstrate to you that it works. My style is different from those who talk, talk and. . .talk more. Those who can quote logos (albeit misappropriated) but then will shy away from showing us that what they believe works or will altogether say it is not supposed to work. No No No!

Paul said: "my preaching wasn't done with just mere persuasive words of man's wisdom. It was backed up with demonstration of the Spirit's power in what I believe. I did this so that your faith will not rely on the wisdom of men but in the power of God" (Paraphrasing 1 Corinthians 2:4-5)

If Paul needed to brother, then it is good for every Christian. Do you think I would like to believe in something that doesn't work? I am just like you too- I never want to put my trust in something that doesn't work and God's word works!!

As per me calling some people demon-infested, brother it is because they are. If you are full of the Spirit and can discern spiritually this will not be new to you. Many times I don't even write of my own volition, he gives me the words and I type it down. Sometimes I use the word to judge and the word is a wise judge- He judges rightly.

Don't get me wrong I know the difference between sheer ignorance and when someone is possessed. For the former just show them the word and they will refrain from doing what they have been doing (The entrance of God's word brings light and understanding the Psalmist says), while for the latter, no amount of clear scriptures will convince them because they are controlled by a spirit whose soul aim is to destroy them. Don't be mistaken.

The urge to bring another Christian down (for example) can never be from God no matter how we try to dress it. So when I see "supposed" Christians writing lies about a fellow or even bearing false witness I know it cannot be from God. Jesus told the Jews (who thought they were Children of God) that they were of their father the devil and his acts they must do. He was a murderer from the beginning and when he talks he speaks only lies because he is the father of lies (not the father of liars).

So when people believe lies and start reposting it everywhere they are unwittingly taking in seeds of Satan. That type of thing will only grow into full time demons and that's what I am addressing.

Hope you understand.

mbaemeka: As per me calling some people demon-infested, brother it is because they are. If you are full of the Spirit and can discern spiritually this will not be new to you. Many times I don't even write of my own volition, he gives me the words and I type it down. Sometimes I use the word to judge and the word is a wise judge- He judges rightly.

mbaemeke: I can prove the message I believe is right because I can (first of all) show you the scripture that teaches it and then I can demonstrate to you that it works. My style is different from those who talk, talk and. . .talk more. Those who can quote logos (albeit misappropriated) but then will shy away from showing us that what they believe works or will altogether say it is not supposed to work. No No No!

mbaemeka: Don't get your hopes up, I don't follow you on any thread. Just as I read through someone's post on a thread many times I go back to other threads to see some consistency in his beliefs. If I see inconsistencies in his beliefs it helps me understand his person and the quality of information he listens to and believes as truth.

In your case, you believe you will hear God's voice. So you are waiting patiently on him but you disbelieve he will heal people or you endorse the posts of those who say that healings have stopped. You try. The same miracle that makes you listen to and hear God's audible voice is the same one responsible for healing people because they are achieved by the same Holy Spirit. So if you disbelieve his ability to heal you might as well disbelieve his ability to speak to you.

This reminds me of some Pentecostal pastors in Nigeria years back who criticised miracles in their country but then went to invite Benny Hinn and Reinhard Bonnke to come to Nigeria to administer the anointing of God on the sick. (These men are real men of God, I have no doubts) but the meetings didn't produce as much healings as was anticipated and I will tell you why. The Nigerian Pastors that invited them had insulted the Holy Spirit yet expected him to perform mighty miracles. It doesn't work that way. You cannot insult the Holy Spirit in Nigeria and then expect the 'one' in America to come and do mighty works-as if they are different.

So you can keep waiting on God. I can assure you, you would not hear from him until you go on your knees and ask him to forgive you for blaspheming his works and disbelieving his words. When you do this he will make the grey areas in your studies clearer for you and then some of your questions will be answered.

If you are of the Spirit, you will be able to tell that I don't discuss religion with men that's why I back what I say from the scriptures with the power that should follow. There are many Atheists I would never be able to convince with mere words but just a simple demonstration and they will cower under God's power. That's what Paul said.

For instance, if I tell you the name of Jesus is the only name given amongst men by which anyone can be saved and you are calling Buddha or any other name I will walk up to a sick person or one afflicted of the devil and command that devil to check out In Jesus' name and then I will ask you to do so in the name of whatever deity you say you believe in. I have no doubts that your deity will be put to shame afterall Jesus told us that Satan cannot cast out satan and I believe Jesus.

So instead of arguing nonsense and shielding it with misappropriated scriptures you better meditate on God's word and believe it. Then go on to apply it and see with your very eyes that the word works.

I do love you in the right way, that's why I am advising you.

Cheers.

mbaemeka: When you hear from God I will respond to your question even if you avoided mine. While at it ask shdemidemi if it is possible to hear from God. I will like to see his "accurate" response to that question.