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It is easier to fake those so call miracles crusades etc and make false testimonies than faking an Ebola healing crusade, the Ebola carriers might die on stage.

It is high time we denounce these charlatans

mumumugu: Why should u fear God?
D u fear ur father?
Is God a scary monster that wants to be feared?

Thank You, you make me understand the fact that God is our Father and we should relate to Him as we do with our earthly father.

From the scriptures quoted i think it is right for the preacher to say ''God give sis/bros this... to Jesus, Jesus receive bro/sis this....''. The issue here is not that they should not preach, the issue is the falseness of the message, i grow up to know this ''give your life to christ'' which automatically translated to good health, prosperity, dominion, authority etc

The scripture is clear that God gives us to Jesus and Jesus receive us: John 6:44.

"No one is able to come to Me unless the Father draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me. Then I will raise him up from the dead on the last day."

I might by tempted to ask, at what point those God draws us to Jesus and Gives us to Him?

Religion talks about us receiving Jesus. Jesus talks about Him receiving us! What an Irony??

Look at John 6:37. It goes something like this:

"All those My Father gives to Me will come to Me. And I will never reject anyone who comes to Me."

And John 6:44.

"No one is able to come to Me unless the Father draws him and gives him the desire to come to Me. Then I will raise him up from the dead on the last day."

And also see this John 6:45, This is what it says.

"As it is written in the book of the Prophets, And they shall all be taught of God and have Him for their own, personal Teacher. Everyone who has listened to the Father and learned from Him will come to Me."

Men want to think they can draw people to God and they want the people to think they can lead them to God. According to what Jesus says here, neither can be true.

When the religious evangelist come around you, they oblige you to say a prayer of salvation (scripture never said anything about a prayer of salvation so note that it is man's doctrine), they make you to understand that you are now completely saved, that God those not speak to men any more, that you can command God and have what you want, that it is about time you enjoy the goodies of this world etc.

Brethren, It is our responsibility to begin spending time alone with God so He could talk to us, teach us and draw us to Jesus.

John 6:63-66,

"It is the Holy Spirit who gives you life. You can’t get real, everlasting life through the religious efforts of your flesh. The things that I have been teaching you are of the Spirit and show you how to get this kind of life. But some of you still will not listen to me and do what I say. Now, Jesus said this because He knew from the beginning who would not follow Him and who would betray Him. Then He said, This is why I told you that no one could come to Me unless the Father allows him to come. And after this, many of them no longer followed Him."

When you look at what Jesus says in these verses in the light of everything else this is what you should conclude. We must be willing to pursue God by getting alone with Him and allowing Him the opportunity to teach us so we can learn from Him. When we do this, He sees the desire and sincerity of our hearts and sends the Holy Spirit to show us Jesus. He then gives us to Jesus and Jesus receives us. Isn’t it ironic? Religion talks about us receiving Jesus. Jesus talks about Him receiving us!

emmyskies: Are you among the fearful? Are you among them that don't believe in JESUS CHRIST? Don't ye know that: "But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death." (Revelation 21;
Believe in JESUS CHRIST this day and you will be saved, not only from "ebola", but also from the damnation of hell for eternity.

"He that dwelleth in the secret place of the most High shall abide under the shadow of the Almighty." (Psalm 91:1)

What about those who Fear God?, Why did Jesus teach us to pray against the temptations and deliverance from evil? If i pray that God should not lead me into the temptation that will cause me to contact Ebola, does it mean i am fearful? If i express sincerely that i am really scared of Ebola, will God punish me? Why should i pretend that Ebola has no part in me? I think God will be angry with those who pretend that Ebola cannot do them any harm.

AtheistD: From the comfort of your home you tell others not to be afraid of a very dangerous outbreak?

Why don't you head to Liberia and try out your faith and healing powers on the ebola sufferers?

Well said!

Have you ever wondered what Jesus mean when He said in Matthew 7:21-23, This is verse 23 from my own paraphrase. "Then I’ll tell them, and this will be the first time they have ever really heard My voice, you have to leave now, I don’t know you (we were never intimate). All those things you did that you’re so anxious to talk about had nothing to do with Me. You were just using My name to make yourselves look good."

I highlight ''first time they have ever really heard My voice'', Could it be that all those who call on God and tell us they heard from him never really heard from Him? Do we need to hear His voice in our daily walk with Him?

I also highlight the word ""Know"" because that is where the issue is. We call on Jesus, involve ourselves in religious activities yet at the end He tells us He didn't know us, so what is the issue here?

Ginosko is used by Jesus to indicate the absence of an[i] intimate relationship[/i] with those who only involved themselves in public, religious activity.


You can continue here.....
http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/intimacy_with_god_and_eternal_li.htm

I hope the blind followers eyes are opening now.

Hypocrisy!!!!!!

Tallesty1: And how many heaven-candidates??

I was about to ask this question. Thanks for helping

Non so far has really owned up to have prophesied about Ebola.
They are instead advising to stop the laying on hands, banning
those from infected countries from attending their crusades! This
goes to show that the God they save is not the God all of us know.
The Lord God Almighty ''With Him all things are possible"".
Their own God only somethings are possible e,g miracles babies etc

Ebola is deadly and they know it!

Me too i use to have the same questions in my mind but now from scripture i understand the true church is
where believers gather together to share their experience with God, and in that gathering God can impart gifts
to heal, prophesy, teach etc, There is no monopoly of spiritual gifts, The gifts are not to be permanent or to become ''careers'' etc,
The shepherd of the fellowship is an Elder (some one who has experienced God and can guide and direct others) The Elder could
also play the rule of a teacher etc

For you to share your experience with God means you most have been having an intimate relationship with God
(You and God only, not in a gathering). The fellowship with the brethren is where you share your experience.

The churches we have today does not reflect the churches that were shepherded by Paul, Peter, etc. These are
religious institutions who's business is to turn us away form ""knowing"" the true God. Here they monopolize spiritual gifts,
set up entertainment programs and watch if they are exciting enough to bring more crowd and hence more money.

@OP, I think the issue here is that any one can call himself a christian, believer etc. But they do not have a real relationship with God.
They do not have faith (hear a spoken word from God, submit to the word and obey it). They believe instead in the written word which
does not work (And they know very well it doesn't work the way our pastors have made us to believe), So they are not also sure they will go to
heaven when they die.

e.g, The bible says ""you will be the head and not the tail"",''I am a king, kings do not beg"", ""I am a god, i have the live of God in me"" etc.
You confess this daily as requested by your pastor (the power of life and death is in the tongue) and you find out that it is not working, which you will certainly not tell your brethren or pastor for fear they will accuse you for lack of faith. Then how sure are you that heaven will be your home at the end, when the most basic things have not worked as your pastors thought you and as you have read in scripture?

My Short Story: I was in church one day, to be precise CEC and we were doing mass prayer when suddenly i had an excruciating tooth ache. There was no way to hint any body because the mentality we all had was that if a bro/sis is sick etc it means he/she lacked faith, so i continued to pray, spoke in tongues, confess the word, speak faith words etc to no avail, when service was over i went home pretending all was okay ""no one in Zion shall say i am sick"", but for how long will the false pretense last? I had to sneak my self to the hospital for medical attention. So @OP i can assure you that from my experience with ""religion"" i would be in the same shoe with those who fear to die.

Man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart!

The Blood was shed on the cross so that we can have direct fellowship with God just like it was in the garden of Eden.

If it were a church member, they will say go and see the pastor.
If the church member hard reported to the police as the pastor did, the brethren/pastor etc would have accuse him/her of lack of faith

I like this simple translation and wish to share for edification. It is about the ''Lords Prayer"". It enlightens my understanding. To know about this translation visit: http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/Personal.htm

Matthew 6:5-15

Verse 5. When you pray, don’t be religious about it. Don’t recite long, flowery prayers in public, where everyone can hear. When you do that, who are you really talking to?

Verse 6. If you’re going to talk to God, go to a quiet, private place and just talk to Him. And even though you can’t see Him, He sees you. And He’ll honor your personal, heart-felt conversation by responding to you in ways that confirm that He heard you.

Verse 7. Just try to be yourself. There’s something false and impersonal about reciting the same, old, tired, worn-out formulas. Remember, the Father responds to sincerity, not the length of the prayer.

Verse 8. So don’t be like those who have no relationship with a real God, Who lives and sees and hears. They repeat the same words over and over again to lifeless images that can’t respond. Your Father is much different than that. He knows what you need, even before you ask.

How to Have a Private Personal Conversation with The Father and What to Talk About When You are in His Presence

Verse 9. So, when you talk to God, this is how you should talk to Him and what you should talk about. Talk to your Father in Heaven like you would talk to your earthly father, with affection and respect. Only acknowledge that He deserves an honor and respect greater than any man.

Verse 10. Then affirm to Him again that you want His Kingdom revealed in your life. And tell Him that you only want what He wants, so His will can be seen here on the earth just like it is in His Heavenly domain.

Verse 11. Ask Him to give you just what you need for today.

Verse 12. And ask Him to forgive you of your faults and mistakes and the offenses they’ve caused. Then tell Him you understand that His forgiveness is determined by your own willingness to forgive those who have offended you.

Verse 13. And finally, ask Him to protect you from yourself and from all the evil that surrounds you in the world.

Verses 14, 15. And remember if you’re willing to forgive others, then your Heavenly Father will forgive you. But, if you’re not willing to forgive others, neither will your Heavenly Father be willing to forgive you.

http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/model_prayer%201.htm

FrancisTony: Biblically, it's by baptising in the name of father, son and holyspirit not the one some protestant churches form today.

Ok, thank you. Yep i was actually confuse between what i see these days in some protestant churches.

Sow a seed to connect to the anointing. ""when a man of God say you are rich and you want to truly be rich then you just walk up to the alter and ""connect"""etc, they use a lot of exciting words and ask you to connect,

FrancisTony: Speaking in tongue is a gift from holyspirit which is received after you've become a born again.

It's not necessary that you recieve and it doesn't mean you ain't righteous. It's a gift given to some people like gift to sing, dance, heal etc.

So, no pastor should tell anyone to learn it or he/she must know how to speak it.

P.S- I attend a Protestant Church. So, I know what I am saying.

How does one become born again? Please kindly help me out.

FrancisTony: Frosbel isn't lieing.

Rather, you and your cohort is deceiving yourself.

If we go by biblical anology or explanation, the tongue is supposed to be understood by people around you.

So, y'all are speaking bullcrap.

I support the fact that frosbel might not be lieing. In CEC after we recieved lessons about tongues, every one present was forced to speak tongues. Some people boldly complained that they were unable to speak and they were ask to just open their mouth and say something! I remember i had forced my sister and her friend to the meeting in CEC and they refused to speak it. Till today she always reminds and laugh at it.

torchwave: I am no authority on fasting but I will suggest you fast when you are led to do it.

In my case, since I began searching for God, I make sure I never eat much during the day and nothing, or very little at most, at night so as not to be weighed down whenever I wake to pray. I always go to bed hungry or partly satisfied because then my flesh is subdued and my spirit becomes alive to receive from God. That is how I go about taming my flesh which is akin to fasting.

It is real difficult, more difficult than fasting because it is now my way of life and it works wonderfully.

However, if the fasting you have in mind is for another purpose, then embark on it if your heart tells you to do so.

Note: Fasting does not change God; it makes your spirit rise above your flesh so that you can pray effectively and be able to receive fresh revelation from God for your life since your spirit is in the driver's seat and God communicates with the spirit.

Thank you very much. Not fasting for a particular purpose, Just my seeking Him. But now i get the idea from your experience.
The truth is when i eat, i really feel my flesh subdues my spirit. I will try the eating light because i am some one who really loves food.

misreal: hmmmm..I really want more of God but don't knew we're to start frm

Dear, i was in the same shoe like you until i came across some articles in the net the encouraged me to start the journey and how to start it. God being so faithful, i came across torchwave's thread that made me to know i was not the only one in pursuit for God. i was encouraged by the experiences shared on this thread, that is why i have not given up despite the seeming quietness of God. I know that one day He will response in a way that will prove He has been listening to me all these 4 months of seeking Him.

I advice you to read these short articles, and others on that website. Thanks

http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/intimacy_with_god_and_eternal_li.htm

http://www.voiceofonecrying.com/The_Desert_Experience.htm

ayoku777: I understand you too well, brother. I know what it means to have an insatiable hunger for an uncommon intimacy with God. It makes you tarry and tarry and beseech and beseech.

You feel tired but you've reached a point where giving up is now worse than death.

Other christians look at you like a fanatic, or even call you proud and presumptuous to ever think that kind of intimacy can be possible.

It gets to a point where your only encouragement is the word of God and the inner witness of the Spirit nudging you on. But you know what God has shown you and you are ready to contend till you possess.

Be encouraged!

What will be rewarding must first be demanding.

Pain is the test of passion, and perseverance is the proof.

Endurance is the proof of esteem, what you esteem you endure for.

Discipline is training your soul to tolerate travail. It is doing something hard until its not.

Thank you! ''You feel tired but you've reached a point where giving up is now worse than death''. You encourage me.
I thought i was out of my mind to think so.

At what point do i need to fast brethren?

Busybody2: When the Potter comes a-calling, what can the clay do ehn, lol.


What simplified things for me was in the old testament God has hundreds of names, but in the new testament He was known by only one name Abba Father...so as with my earthly Father i don't book any appointment to see my Heavenly Father, God, i don't need facebook, whatsapp, i don't need to book appointment with his PA ...same way i can saunter into my earthly Father's presence to ask what newspaper he is reading/ask if he heard such and such in the new... This is the same relationship i have with my heavenly Father God. I pull God's legs, I remind Him to expect the same naughtiness i show my Dad, my ascerbic tongue, try to bribe Him, try to run rings round Him, try to bargain or negotiate with Him...tease Him that shebi He is still my Heavenly Father who knows all my quirks and weakness, so He should chastise me gently if He has to...that i am human who likes to err on the side of caution occasionally so He should not expect 100% perfection from me, that punishment exists cos of foreknowledge of sin...etc


I guess this approach works because i wasn't born into a Christian home so didn't have to follow any protocol or toe any rigid line of fellowshipping with God...so i could just be my brash, blunt self There are times i get woken up and have realised that once i go back to sleep, na dream/vision sure pass, so i would start doing stronghead with God that i am going to stay awake cos i don't want any...but God can be so patient...even if i succumb to just one minute sleep, that dream/vision will come by fire by force...


The irony though is that with stuffs pertaining to the Holy Spirit, I see him as a no-nonsense person, elewon mi l'oga, so if he asks me to jump, I quickly ask how high...i might later start mumbling under my breath how rigid he is and how if one vexes him now, he fit vex no show face again for 20 years So for me God, Jesus Christ, Holy Spirit, Angels are like family and i love being the little Sister

Thank you for sharing! this is very encouraging!

torchwave: Then keep seeking till you hear it. It may not come easily, and it may take time to hear it but you must be willing to pay the price of keeping your daily appointment with Him until you begin to dialogue or converse with Him.

Do you know this is my eight month of seeking His voice? So don't be discouraged if you don't hear anything at first or for a long time. God is very happy you're seeking Him and He will reward you in due time if you don't give up.

You can assume any posture that is comfortable with you. You could decide to sit or stand or lie or kneel if it is what works for you. There is no rules and regulations in listening to God. However, I've discovered that sitting seems to be the more acceptable posture. It makes you relax inwardly and outwardly so that you will be able to give your full concentration to the listening process. Standing is also good. In fact, in my opinion, it doubles your concentration and attention to the inward voice of God.

As regards worship music. I should let you know first that the idea of listening to God entails or requires the medium of silence. There are many Scripture verses on the essence of silence before God. Psalm 46:10 says, Be still and know that I am God. It is in that stillness, the silence of your heart and environment that God is able to talk to you.

Music should not be a way of passing time waiting for God to speak. It defeats the purpose of being silent before God.

However, there is a place for worship music in listening prayer. When you use it to achieve stillness before God and it helps you stay your mind on meditation, then by all means incorporate it into your quiet time with God. I have done it once or twice and found it really helpful in maintaining my awareness of God and listening to Him.

In the end do what works for you. That is the most important aspect of your listening prayer - experimenting and choosing the listening aids that work for you.

I have also updated the steps in listening prayer with a very important aspect of listening prayer I omitted. It is about Distractions and how to overcome them in your listening prayer.

Hope it helps. If you have any more questions concerning seeking God, do let me know. We are here to help each other grow in the Christian Faith.

This is my 5th month and i am still seeking. Your tips are really helpful to me.

Matthew 7

28.Now, when Jesus was finished, the people were confused, not only because of what He said, but how He said it.

29.They were used to listening to the public teachers. They liked to quote religious scholars and recite their traditional teachings. But Jesus spoke of Himself and of God as His Father. And He had an unfamiliar boldness and confidence when He spoke.

DrummaBoy: Thank you for understanding my position. I also get your position. In fact I also believe in "live and let's live" attitude. While studying on tithes, I believe God opened my heart to understand Romans 4 one night. Since then I push the idea: "he that tithed to the Lord he does so... he that doesn't to God he does so", God has not rejected him either bc tithing is a small issue in God's kingdom.

This is actually the position I advocated on the advocated on the tract too. But...

I needed you to read my response to Gombs to comprehend why this tract must be made. In brief, tithing is actually threatening the gospel. Its the reason Paul contended the Circumcisions in his days.

If there anyone who advocates liberty in the use of finances it is anti tithers. if there any group that advocate compulsion, it is tithers. This is from my experience and its the overwhelming testimony of most people on this thread. And our plea with tithers and their pastors is to allow people to use their money for whatever they wish and stop these lies called compulsory monetary tithes.

Now i understand your reason.

frosbel: How many people are going to hell? Specifically, the 'Christian' Hell. 'Christianity' is the most important religion, and the only one, other than Islam, that claims non-adherents will go to Hell. So let's take a look, because it's going to be crowded down there.

Muslims: 1.4 billion
Non-religious and atheists: 960 million to 1 billion
Hindus: 900 million
Buddhists: 400 million to 600 million
Other religions (Chinese traditional, animism, deism, Shinto, etc): 800 million
Sikhs, Jews, Baha'is: 48 million

So that's a total of about 4.5 billion to 4.7 billion people. But wait, there's more. Because the total "Christian" population of 2.1 billion includes many millions of people who do not actually live a Christian life (and are therefore going to Hell). The population of Hell should rise. Consider the following:

Only roughly 30% of Christians globally attend church regularly. In Brazil, for example, 80% of the population is "Catholic" but only 36% attend church regularly! Similarly, in the US, 78% call themselves Christian, but only around 40% attend church regularly--at best (Religious Tolerance, Nation Master).

In many supposedly "Christian" countries, female use of contraceptives exceeds 60, 70 or 80%. This includes many countries in Latin America. In the US, studies have indicated that almost all Americans have had sex outside of marriage.

Most Christian sects think they are the "true" religion and other denominations are heresy. They can't all be right, which means that somebody is going to hell!

In many countries, petty theft, tax evasion and money laundering are a way of life--in direct violation of the 8th and 9th Commandments. To say nothing of the countless millions who work on the weekend, violating the 4th Commandment (to keep the "Sabbath" ).

These offenses are not necessarily punishable by eternal damnation (that depends on particular beliefs). But they speak to an overall lack of adherence to 'Christian' doctrine. There are millions of people who call themselves 'Christian', but who nonetheless do very un-Christian things, including borrowing spiritual guidance from Buddhism, new age religions, Taoism or other non-Christian sources. It seems reasonable to add another billion or so to the damned total.

So out of 6.8 billion human beings, a staggering 5.6 billion are going to Hell. That is 82% of all humanity! If we factor in the many hundreds of millions of people who have lived before our time, we can easily get up to 90 or 95% of the entire human species that has ever lived.

'Christianity' would seem to be an extraordinarily dark belief system, to claim that almost all of our fellow humans who have ever lived are destined for an eternity of suffering because they don't happen to agree with their "Lord." Is that the work of a just and loving "God"?

Personally, ( edited ) if there is a God, it sure as hell isn't the 'Christian' god. That guy's a psycho.

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Disclaimer : At this stage of my finite understanding, I am not referring to ETERNAL DEATH but ETERNAL TORMENT. So please take note of this when reviewing and discussing the article - show some integrity by abiding to this statement.

Also the 'Christian' god being referred to is not Yahweh but the god of the 'Christians'.
'Christianity' is also put in invited comas as it is not the real Christianity based on biblical Truths .

Matthew 7:
27.When you follow the wisdom of the world, your life will be full of insecurity and confusion. ....................................................

22.On that final day, there will be many that will want to talk about all the religious things they did that impressed so many people.

;DLike counting the number of people that will go to hell, saying there is no hell, campaigning against tithing etc. LOL

23.Then I’ll tell them, and this will be the first time they have ever really heard My voice, You have to leave now, I don’t know you. We were never intimate. All those things you did that you’re so anxious to talk about had nothing to do with Me. You were just using My name to make yourselves look good.

24.Now, everything I’ve told you today is very important. And if you’re wise, you’ll build your lives on it. The wisdom of God is the firm foundation everyone needs.

God, the righteous judge.

Matthew 5:
23.Let me tell you how to deal with anger. When you come into the presence of God to commune with Him, and then remember that you’ve hurt someone with your anger;

24.Stop right there! Go to that person and ask for their forgiveness. After all, how can you ask God to cleanse you when you know you’re holding on to your own sin by refusing to be reconciled to your brother? God can’t honor that.

Verses 16 and 17 go something like this. "But to the wicked God says, What right do you have to recite in detail what is due Me or talk about My covenant? You disregard My instruction and treat My words like trash."

tdcministry: Kindly use your dictionary to get that

Well you are the one who wanted to tell me there is a difference. mu dictionary doesn't show any difference pastor