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There was a recount isnt? And the media DID focus on the story. In fact, it became a running gag up till today.

Are you suggesting the media is responsible for the events in Iran?

Me and whitelexi must be brothers. I get "toasted" by ladies all the time! You know why? I am that cute and lovable. Aint that right whitelexi?

Interesting turn of events

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/northern_ireland/8114234.stm

I would be interesting to see what the OP says as per your claim. [@Alabiyemmy]

Nice one Iran.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article6557858.ece

Her name was Neda Salehi Agha Soltan and she was a philosophy student. But the manner of her death has turned her into an instant, global symbol of the Iranian regime’s brutality.

This innocent woman aged 26 was shot in the chest during running battles between opposition protesters and Iranian security forces in Tehran on Saturday. Since then, a grainy, 40-second video showing her final moments, blood streaming from her nose and mouth as a man implores her not to die, has ricocheted around the world on YouTube, blogs and social networking sites.

Miss Soltan, whose first name means “voice”, has become a martyr for freedom, Iran’s equivalent of the student who defied China’s tanks in Tiananmen Square. Pictures of the “Angel of Iran” are being held aloft at demonstrations outside Iranian embassies around the world. Tribute sites have been set up on Facebook, and Twitter has been inundated with heart-rending messages.

How many more?

I see your point. I think a few issues or obstacles though. I really do not know how you can convince the courts that the maps are yours. If these Hack.ers have access to the source code. they can change the USER INTERFACE so that it looks similar to yours, but still different. Something that would make your case even more difficult in courts.

Going by what you are telling me, there appears to be little or no proper protection - be it copy right or physical protection - on the maps you are selling. Something I would look into and try to address if I was you.

To fight these people you believe are stealing your work, then you need to prepare the grounds. So far it would appear you have a weak ground.

@labiyemmy:
ElRazur


The maps are protected, locked to each unit, but the hackers developed means of further unlocking the maps and making it workable on any device- this exactly is the point.

It should be expected am afraid. Copy protection can be easily by passed these days. Even companies at the fore-front of technology - Microsoft et al can have their stuff by passed.

This may sound wrong, but have you consider trying a more complex algorithms for the protection? For example, a sort of protection that renders hack.ing that unit would render it not working properly etc. These are ways you can safe guard your investment.

@labiyemmy:
Now it is obvious you dont understand what I am saying! Making a map is like writting a book, or an artist making a sketch and writting his name on it, now, another artist picks up the same drawing, erases the other persons name off it, writes his name on it and start selling it as his own, this is what we are talking about, noone is saying anyone shouldnt make the maps, off course everyone is free to make the same maps we made, this is the point, make your own from the strt, dont take our own and start calling it yours.

How else can I explain this to you, is someone else more knowledgable here?

Dude. I am trying to level with you and all you do is try to throw insults at me and patronize me. Nice. Please quit it.

Surely all maps are copyright protected hence why they come with a "(C)". Tomtom, nokia, telewest, navteq are all copy right protected. Why is it that yours is not protected?

I'm sorry if what you are saying is that your maps have no protection whatsoever, then there is nothing stopping someone from copying it.

For the record, I have a navman device and I put another copy righted map into it, but it wont even work because mine works only with "tele atlas".

@labiyemmy:
I will provide you an ll expence paid trip to our London office if you want a proof. You said a screen shot is not enough proof that what is displayed it mine? Well, I will not give that away, that screen shot is enough proof to me, I have copied it, it will be very evidential, as minor as you think it is, but dont worry, it is enoguh singular proof for me and I thank her so much for making the mistake of posting them.

Thanks. I can pay my own way if needed.

If you have protection, rights and possible patents then you may have a case in your hand. It would be hard for your to actually get this company to court though.

I suggest you perhaps focus on securing your maps so that it is wont be easy to hack? It may also be worth selling units with embedded memory so that it makes it even harder to hack without have connected wires and plug into it.

What protection and patents do you have on your maps? How long for etc? Is any of your patents stopping anyone else from doing the same thing as you in getting the maps digitized et al?

@labiyemmy:
ElRazur

You p[robably havent been reading my posts:

How can someone in his right senses ask for a proof online of something so magnificient as a map making process, if you want a proof, copy one of the screen shots she provided, of the maps and the city names, and lists, visit any of our three offices, they will put you thru the process of map making, from purchase of satellite imagery, to our digitizing equipments, our GPS field devices, our GPS data collecting devices, field books, and the enitre map making process, only one thing pertinent will i point to for you, and you will understand what I am saying.

I have been reading your post. Are you reading mine?

See this is how you keep insulting people. Allow me to turn the same logic on you! How can someone in his right sense lay claim to having his stuff pirated based on a screen shot?

Dude I am a keen outdoor person and am aware of Geo tagging, process of map making etc.


You can defend your stuff all you want. You have the right to do so. However, if you keep saying people are pirating your stuff, then you would have to provide proof at some point. Or people would have to keep asking.

@labiyemmy:
I dont have to proove to you, dont you get this important statement? Just wait until the company in question gets what they wished for themselve, that will be my proof, not here on nairaLand, where people take themselve more important than what they are all about.

You have nothing to prove to me. However do you keep bickering? The conclusive proof was asked so as to cut down on the bickering, but it appear you would rather bicker and just make lengthy unnecessary post instead of providing a proper proof. No one here is taking themselves more important that you. Just have a read at your own post.

I am not acting up in arms over any competitive product, get it once and for all, the point i am making is, the maps on the product are copyrighted maps, maps made by ourselves, intellectual property right, are you not litterate enough to understand what copyrights are? Its like you write a book, begin to sell it, and tomorrow, someone changes the cover of the book and writes his or her name there, and begin to sell, if that happens to you, I am sure you will come here on NairaLand and tell everyone to buy the books because you dont care if you have copyrights to the book or not.

And here is the proof that you feel you are one big shot sir!
For the record, I have made mention of "intellectual rights" in my post before, I do not think you are the one to lecture me on what it is etc. Like I said before, Nigeria's law are not that comprehensive when it comes to Intellectual rights and as such you may be standing on a weak leg on that one.

Anyone arguing against what I am saying about our copyrights to the maps definitely is an [b]illetrate [/b]who needs to go back to secondary school to learn the rules of IPR.

So anyone disgreeing with you is an illiterate? Only that you can't even spell illiterate yourself. Gosh the irony. Either provide the proof, sue him/her or shut up and take it like a man. This is Nairaland, a place where piracy is actively encourage - Just look up the games section - so it is ironic you talk about Intellectual rights around here.

At the end of the day, it is not about which system is the best, it is about which system lasts the test of time, our systme have been sold for the past two years in Nigeria, we welcome new entrants, our belief is that, it will open up the market, but for thieves to hack into our maps and sell as their own is what we will never allow, no matter what anyone says, or denies that those are not our maps, we will fight the thieves to the end.

Your system appears to be more expensive. Why should consumers pay more? Why buy a Mercedes Benz ML, when a Kia Sportage would do? NTA have been around longer than most tv stations, in fact it is the first in Africa, yet it does not offer the best in tv programming. YOu see the point is this, simply because you are on the market for two years do not mean new people can't come in and take over.

Here you go again making claim of theft etc. Either provide the proof or shut up. In fact, provide the proof to any of the moderators and ask them to shut this down, I am sure they are reasonable enough to act that way. Or may be you are just barking and cant bite simply because you do not have the proof like you have claimed?

It is also sad that someone trying to promote her devices calls our business scamming because of the price we put on them, to say the least, calling a genuine business scamming is nothing but arrant nonsense, that fellow may have to repeat that statement when necessary.

It may not be scamming but your prices ain't exactly competitive, and your device are of less specification by the looks of it. Tell me, why should consumer pay more?

Lets all join hands to fight thieves, thieves of ideas, thieves of copyrights, thieves of intellect, that way, our country will move on, every technology is hacked into, Microsoft spends millions fighting software pirates and hackers, same goes for everyone who has copyrights to anything they make, this is what we are going to do, while they hack into the maps, we will be out there waiting to destroy them, because you are trying to destroy a man when you take his handwork and begin to sell it as yours when you havent been authorised to do so, we will not be kind to this, as they havent been kind to us, we will find them and mow them down, no matter what anyone here says, implicates or think.

Yeah I agree with you. But like I said before, you are on a wrong forum.l  There is piracy going on in the games section. I have raised the issue and spoken out against it. I wonder if you would have said anything if you do not feel your stuff is being pirated.

biina:
which text from the quran. You quoted an hadith. There is a difference.
The birth of islam was violent? you have no idea what you are talking about. The first armed conflicts diud not occur until muhammed was in medina, being driven from mecca by the resident tribes, who had issues with his teachings on slavery.
Your claim was not that muhammed fought a war, but that violence is the bedrock of Islam.
Muhammed actions as a political leader in medina are now the bedrock of a religion that existed before he became a political leader in medina?
The fact that muhammed fought wars for the safety of his people, does not mean that violence is the bedrock of Islam as you claim.
Read the up on Islam and the life and actions of muhammed before making statements that you cannot back up.
You have not substantiated your claims, and have only given excuses to why you shouldn't.

Last night it was getting tiresome arguing with you. It appears you are an expert on moving the goal post. Thank heaven their is an english quran availabe within my reach.

Here is how you have been moving the post. You wanted something to back up my statement right? I provided one. Only that you asked for something else. No surprise there at all. You said I quoted an Hadith. Please explain to me as to why it isnt good enough for you? Below is a definition of Hadith:

"Hadith are oral traditions relating to the words and deeds of the Islamic prophet Muhammad. Hadith collections are regarded by all traditional schools of jurisprudence as important tools for determining the Muslim way of life"

It also goes further to say "In Islamic terminology, the term hadith refers to reports about the statements or actions of Muhammad, or about his tacit approval of something said or done in his presence"


Or in your ever-moving goal post logic, do you disagree with the explanation above? If Islamic scholars can agree to above I think I would side with them for one minute on this one. So, tell me. How can you now turn around and tell me that my original "hadith" I quoted is not proof enough to support my statement? I am starting to think you have little or no clue of what you are talking about. Or at least, starting to lose the plot.

You then move the Goal post again by asking me for Quranic verses! Oh cool I got some for you alright - Here: "Quran 3v56 - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help." See Binna the Quran do not teach violence.

Ever wonder why muslims like chopping head off? I have a feeling it is from here "Quran 8v12 - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"  How very nice.


Oh if you ever wonder why Islam do not mix or not tolerant of other religion and some race, here is a potential reasons: "
Quran 9v30 - "And the Jews say: Ezra is the son of Allah; and the Christians say: The Messiah is the son of Allah; these are the words of their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved before; may Allah destroy them; how they are turned away!" Allahu flipping akbar.

Binna. I wonder how you would move the goal post this time around. I believe we have all your moves blocked. But then you can always try. And trust me, I would be waiting. To claim islam do not support, incite and uses violence is just plain silly.


It appears you keep missing and mixing up word usage when it comes to my statement of "Violence forms the bed rock of Islam" like I told you before, I am talking about the whole concept of Islam, you cant just neat pick your way to where you feel there wasnt violence. You need to see the over all picture am afraid. Muhammed was the founder of Islam and as such his actions on what he did, what he preached, how he spread islam etc would have been/is and forms part and parcel of the basis of Islam and Islam as we know it today

The basis of Islam I am talking about, is the not same as the five pillars of Islam, mind you.  You can not look at a bunch of principles [pillars] and not look at the history surrounding what brings Islam to that point upon and beyond in/on which the principles are founded. Surely this is not rocket science.


If at this point you still keep coming back that I haven't backed up my claim then you really do not know what your are talking about and you have lost the plot. In a nut shell, I have made a statement backed up by Hadith and quranic verses. It would be interesting to see your next move, but am guessing already it would be another goal post moving. How awesome.


PS
It is a common misconception that he fought war to protect his people. Nope he fought war to kill, intimidate, cause fear and spread his agenda. [Reference back to the war events I posted already]
Do you even have an english quran?  Or may be you can read and understand arabic, and not just relying on what some mullah was telling you.

Muhammed's action when he is alive help forms and shape islam as to what it is today, you cannot seperate his life as a political leader from a religion creator. It is like talking about the life and times of Obasanjo and then you ignoring that he was a military leader once. Where is the logic? You are good.

For those in the UK, please watch this. It is relevant to the religion angle on this thread.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/b00l967g/Panorama_The_Battle_of_Swat_Valley/

The battle of swat valley.

biina:
So I take it this is your point and we can ignore all earlier references?

If the above is true, I would like to have some clarifications

1. When you say during its early days, do you refer to during the life of Muhammed or after?
2. Please repost the quranic verses you refer to (and not the hadith)
3. That you are asserting that if violence is used to spread a religion, then said violence forms the basis of that religion?

Again please note, that your concluding statement makes no reference to it being in your humble opinion, and thus can be interpreted as stating something as a fact, as there is no provision to accommodate the alternative.

You can ignore it if you want, I wasn't the one moving the goal post.

All of it. The birth, the concept, the whole quran is what I am talking about.

It is right here in this thread.

I think you should read my post again and make your own conclusion. My points have been clear enough for some to see.

It is tiring. No offence, but am watching Panorama on BBC Iplayer.


Post by Biina

Where is the extrapolation. Muhammed fought wars and could be termed as acts of violence.

Reply to Binna's post.

Tayo-D:
Gbam! So why take up issues with ElRzur when you have virtually confirmed what he said. Mohammed was a violent person and every violent muslim, including AlQuaeda network could claim they are only emulating Muhammed's violence.  Finally, you've seen the light.

I rest my case.  It is good to see how very simple points are misconstrued, even after several explanations was made. Instead we see more and more moving of goal post. I really do not know how people keep it up. My job here is done.


@Binna only you would claim I am yet to back up my claim. Please give me a break. What about the text from the quran? What about the war I mentioned? Look my case here is done.

Lagosboy.

One of the terrorist that attacked in the UK escaped wearing a Burqa from head to toe. I believe he fled to somalia or something.

biina:
you made an unqualified declarative statement (see below), i.e. stating it as fact, and I questioned your authority to do so

I am sure you read my post [previous]. A statement based on observation and text is not the same as fact. It is your perception not mine. To avoid further argument, I even supported my statement later with text from the Quran. I am still missing as to where this was presented as a fact like you are claiming.

What makes my post unqualified? I suppose one have ot have authority on everything then before making a statement right? Awesome.

The pillars are what supports a structure, hence without the pillars the structure would collapse.

Let's not dwell on this shall we? Refer back to my previous post if you do not get it. I do not like the idea of sounding like a broken record, or going round in circles.

If Islam is based on the life of muhammed, how did it exist when Muhammed himself was alive. Muhammed was the first muslim, how then was his new religion based on his life?

You are missing the point. It get tiring that you keep moving the goal post. My last comment on this is this - "Muhammed life's and text in the quran form part of the basis of Islam as we know it today"

You canont over look that and keep banging about pillars. Muhammed's life and text in the quran lend a hand to the point I was making all along. Why now, move the goal post to pillar?

SO please explain how are the pillars of Islam not the bedrock, but rather the life of muhammed is your chosen foundation.

See above.

Can you be a muslim without believing and practicing the five pillars of Islam? No
Can you be a muslim without knowing about the entire life of Muhammed? Yes.

While your assumption is wrong. I cannot be bothered dwelling on it. Please take some time to study the text in the quran. It is more or less a case of "word play" from here and we are moving away from the main focus of the original issue.

The thread is not the same as the thread title. There was an ongoing exchange in which you joined by making a declarative statement, that is yet to be substantiated. Attacking the man is to discredit an argument by discrediting the person, it is different from questioning the authority of someone to make a declarative statement. You didnot present an argument, you made a statement.

Irrelevant post am afraid and another moving of the goal post. Nice.

Attacking the man is a show of weakness. It shows your cannot deal with the point at hand. It is called "Attacking the messenger and not the message" for a good reason you see. Attacking the man is not dealing with the message at hand, instead calling the "character or motives" of the person in to question. These you have done by asking "how knowledgeable I am and what not" but hey, let's not digress.

I do not know how you are viewing this, but here is how I see it. I made a statement, you called on it. I explained it further, you then still refuse to see a very simple point and then keep dragging it on. Oh let us not forget how you move the goal post to.


My point is this and I am still making it. Islam and violence goes hand in hand. Violence was used in spreading islam during it early days. Hence Violence forms the basis of what makes Islam what it is today. Also Quran and mohammed advocates violence [ go get an english quran and read the text I quoted you] And nope. I am not talking about the five pillars. If after this you do not understand. Then sorry man, you wont understand anything I say any more.

so where/when did I accept that violence is the bedrock of Islam?

Go back and read your own post.

Transformers 2

[b]The film started of with a big bang, the opening sequence is very good. It reminds me of what I envisaged what "The Voltron" would look like in real life. The special effects are well integrated with the actual environment and through out the entire length of the movie, I was totally blown away.

The special effects are well polished and it is something "up there" with the matrix. To simply put, the visuals are stunning.

Megan Fox and the wikiki guy did a fair job with the acting, they aint clearly no Denzel or Freeman, however they did an okay job. The music score blends well with the movie and keeps your heart thumbing. Who ever mixed the sound on this movie got it bang on target. The effect, music score and other audio effect blends seamlessly.

The story line carried on from where the last one finished - obviously- and this one sees the addition of new characters and other voices act. Which overall give the movie an edge to it. The story line is okay, however people who have not followed the series may have a bit of hard time actually understanding what the whole movie is about.

It should be noted that the movie is 2.5hours or so long, and that may cause a few people to lose track of what it is all about. However it is something I would highly recommend. Believe it or not, I am going back to watch it again at some point.

8.5/10[/b]

@labiyemmy:
No no no, I should have the courage to talk to you directly? You make yourself into someone important?

I dont care if my story is laughable to you or not, you are not in the league of people whose comments about what i say will remove any hair from my head, honestly speaking.

It is indeed laughable to think that I lack the courage to speak directly to someone who is faceless on cyber space, how do people think?

How un relevant these words in bold prints are to the comments i made?

No I am not in anyway important more than anyone around here. I am merely saying feel free to refer to me or quote my post.

You don't have to care if your story is laughable, however acting up in arms over a competitive product is unnecessary. Especially when you have no proof apart from what you are telling us here that the map in question are yours.

Alabiyemi posted:

To ELRAZUR who said this is our first taste of capitalism, we should enjoy it, how sorry and sad for that statement to be made by someone who is a professional and whose profession has ethics, rules and guidances, or do you think map making folks dont have rules guiding their operations as well?

Dude. I am sure you do not understand me. Capitalism have good side and bad side. I am asking you to enjoy both sides, just not the success.

Alabiyemmy.

Have the courage to talk to me directly. 

A screen shot is not a proof that the map is yours. You would lose your case in court if that is your argument. Period.


I stand by my point. For the purpose of this discussion, a map is a drawing and representation of a place. A map by Telewest or nokia of a place would look roughly the same - I have at least three navigation system. One for my bike, one on my phone and one in the car. The process or doing this map/digitization of it would be similar in most ways, the end program and language it is written in for the navigation system may be different.


Look the rest of your post just comes off as you are now bickering yourself. Deal with it, there will be competition in the market and people would offer more innovative and better product that you. Unless of course you move with times. So far, you arent showing that you are.

As for the rest of your story. It is just best I say nothing to it.

PS
Your story is laughable to be honest. So let me get this straight, you keep your blueprints of maps online? And you think an IP address is the only way? Even I know how to use a proxy server. Dude. Like I said, I don't wanna comment on your story.

biina:
You made a declaration, I questioned your authority on the issue. How is that a dispute of the statement made. Yet you have not proven thatyour statement that violence is a bed rock of Islam  i.e. foundations on which Islam was built. The bedrock of Islam are the 5 pillars of Islam. Please state which ones support your claims.

Let me get this straight, you question my authority over a post I made based on what I read and what I have observed?  Ideally, you would only question someone's authority if they are presenting a statement as fact.
Knowing how sensitive debate about religion can be at time, I presented my view and later supported with text from the quran/writing from the quran. What more do you want?

The life of Muhammed forms the basis of what Islam is today, the text in the quran forms the basis of what Islam is. To focus on the five pillar of Islam is a bit short-sighted and missing the point. Besides, the basis of Islam and 5 pillars are two different things from where I stand. If the life and time of Muhammed/the text in the quran do not form the basis of Islam as we know it today, then I do not know what it is.

You posted in a thread and your post should be interpreted in the context of the thread. Don't try to cop out and want your post processed in isolation.

Strangely enough, the thread title have little or nothing to do with Islam and conduct of Islam, or Islam and violence. I guess you are trying to restrict what people can say, or cannot say since you are running out of steam now right? First you "attacked the man" and now you seem to be telling me what I should or should not post in a thread.
May be you should stick to your own logic and realise that my post all along have been specifically about Islam, but hey! keep moving the goal post.

If by muhammed fighting wars, that you conclude that violence is the bedrock of Islam, then I can conclude that by Abraham, Moses and co fighting and/or killing others, that same violence is a bedrock of Christianity.

Equal measure should be applied to both religions.

[b]My focus is on Islam. My point was on Islam. All I have said so far surrounds Islam. [/b]That is my point, that is my focus and that is what I am still talking about.

You have accepted my point [refer back to your reply]. What exactly is your problem?

If I have compared Islam with Christianity, then your point would stand. But I haven't, I posted on Islam alone. This is something that appears you just do not get.

Hi everyone. I am sitting right here at the Greenwich cinema and guess what movie am about to watch? That's right it is the Transformers 2.

The advert is still on at this point in time and am munching on my popcorn, while sipping it down with a nice cold drink. The cinema is not that packed, which is good thing as it feels more private and makes for better viewing in my opinion.

The sound system is real nice and it appears to be either a digital sound set up of some kind, or one of those Dolby series. What ever it is, the cinema is booming and it feels like I am in the movie screen. Speaking of screen, that screen is massive. . . .

Guys I have to go now, the trailers are on

Anyway, await my review once the movie is over. To say I am dying with excitement is an understatement.

Face.

If my car was stolen, I would go through the proper channel. I won't be making accussations on the net.



@whoever though I was insulting them
I asked which one was cheaper to highlight how capitalism and competition may favour the consumer.

Binna. You are weird. Let me keep it simple.

1. I read the thread.

2. I made a point based on something I know and see - I am talking entirely about Islam.

3.YOu disputed, but later accepted.

Gosh.

Afam.
Glad to see that you are still "looking for allies" across thread. Good to see my post have such effect on you. Plus points for me. Here is a little tip, you can learn to ignore me completely without side talking to me. Simple common sense.

biina:
and the bible too condemned judaism and homosexuality. So what is your point?

You are free to give your opinion on issues, but knowing your level of knowledge of the matter lets one know either to take your opinions serios or treat as comments from someone who is ignorant of the issue being discussed. If you do not know anything concrete about Islam, then your opinion should simply be ignored.

There is no lengthy debate to be had.
Does Islam preach violence? No. Can I find verses in the Quran to support violent acts? Yes.
Same applies to Christianity.

Dude it sucks when people keep missing the point. I was making a point and a point solely on Islam. A point which you denied, then came back to acknowledge as a correct one later. I never raised any point about Christianity. In case you are missing the point, I am repeating it again. My point is focused on Islam and that is precisely what am doing.

Seeing that you are more or less trying to "attack the man" instead of the message at hand, it speaks a lot about you isn't?

Islam do not promote violence, yet the Battle of Badr as recorded in the quran looks nothing more than violence to me.  Quran never preached violence yet Muhammed gave a mandate of "Kill any jews that falls into your power" Now as I understand it, the  Quran is the ultimate book of how muslims should live their life etc.  Yeah you are so right, it never preached violence.

In Ibn Ishaq 992, he killed children. Yet this in your eyes is not violence? In fact, here is what muhammed says "“Fight everyone in the way of Allah and kill those who disbelieve in Allah.  Do not be deceitful with the spoils; do not be treacherous, nor mutilate nor kill children"  Yeah what a peaceful loving son of a woman he is. Allahu akbar.


Dude I can go on and on. But Next time, let us stick to the point at hand. Islam promotes violence and damn well preaches it. That is my point and you have already accepted that. What is your problem?

Are you cheaper than alabiyemmy?

biina:
Was Islam ever spread by war? Yes, but then so was Christianity.
Were all muslims converted by force? No, but then same applies to christians.

So the point of your question was?

Dude it crack me up every time you use this simley --> I always have this image of you in my head with a bendy neck.

Look you are admitting Islam was spread by war. In fact it was spread via war, fear, intimidation etc All of these fall under the umbrella of violence. That is my point and what I am talking about.

I never made mention of Christianity, thanks for moving the goal post though. Oh wait allow me to bend my neck like I imagine you do yours ---> lmao.

The device? Anyone can buy the device in bulk, pre loaded or loaded and flog them off. IN fact loads of companies do it. Or am I missing something.

biina:
and what do you know about the bedrock of Islam, about its history or the religion in general, that makes you an authority?

Do I have to be an authority to give my opinions based on what I have read and seen over the years?

Quran condemns the jews and homosexuals. I suppose this I made up as well?

I am not trying to get in to a lengthy debate here, but to claim Islam do not condone violence is just lies.

If anyone here can give me conclusive evidence that Islam wasnt spread via war etc then I would listen. Anyone?

So let me get this straight.

A man comes in here to sell his product, then some guy claiming to have "rights" is making fuss and throwing insult. Without producing proofs?

This is all ironic in the sense that piracy is widely promoted on this forum - Just have a look at the games section.

Alabiyemmy, this is your first taste of capitalism. Enjoy it. Just because you have something in Nigeria do not mean it is yours, we do not have comprehensive laws that protects rights like you are claiming. Besides, it is hard to judge that these maps are yours on the basis of what you see on the internet. I have read the entire thread, and personally I think you are barking up the wrong tree and wrong in your approach with the whole matter at hand.

Maps do look similar, after all they are just drawing of the lay out of a place.