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Thank you madam.

Please tell your friends, I will be here for a while, before I go to mecca for hajj.

Beautful.B:
Pastor ElRazor am in the state of dilemma, I  have a guy that  loves me but we are miles apart and I also love him too, but am falling for some one,  wat do u want me to do?

This one no be wahala at all.

You love the one wey dey far far faraway abi?

And you get one for close by wey love you too?

If so, you no have problem at all. In fact, the only problem be say you no get any problem. Just receive the love from both ends jare. After all, God want us to love our neighbour as we love ourselves. Oya love them both.

God bless you my sister.

Here we go again. Animosity, bad belle, generalisation, hypocrisy, irony, double standards, bickering, sidelining issues at hand are the order of the day. **Insert roll eye smiley here**

Gosh I'm not a religious person, but looking up Matthew 7:3 may help.

This is foreign section. The thread should have been in here all along. But this is nairaland and things do not exactly work the way it is meant to be.

Thanks for providing those links.

No worry, it isn't over yet o. Omo ekiti, wa shi gun Iyan fun mi, pelu obe efo to dun. Shey you know that?

Ahhhh lady of my heart. You are starting to figure me out. I don't like that.

But seriously, dunno why you wont talk to me on YIM. Shey mi o fine to ni?

FL Gators:
Right. . . . I dont know who your NL tigerwoods is or who is been digging you, but you too like wahala.

fimisile o jare.

Okies. Just keep that between you and me. Love you too. But mo still refuse lati tosibe sha.


FG
Why wont you add me on yim? So much to talk about.

Omo mehn, ori mi gba brick wall from the day I was born.

No thanks, I heard Tiger woods of nairaland don piss for their so I go pass. Don't bother asking who be tiger wood of nairaland, but here is a clue. He was the one the missus went jihad on his arse with multi-pages story telling thread.

http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce


Further proof that boarding the ship was not illegal and do not amount to piracy. Take note people.


Once again credit to Marioriy for posting this.

Mariory:
Just to add one thing over legality. i have been informed that the Isreali's had a legal right to board the ships.
http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/385ec082b509e76c41256739003e636d/7694fe2016f347e1c125641f002d49ce

Nice one man.

I have raised this issue in foreign section, and after reading around. I concluded that it is legal. After all, Iran boarded a US boat as they see it as a threat, even though it was in international waters. UK border patrol regularly board ships and what not in international waters too. But I guess a different kind of law applies to Israel. 

Gators,

Ashewo ni e joor. Okunrin melo lohun tosibe fun e?

Shey idi okin taa e ni?

Wa do dudu, wa do pupa, wa do funfun, wa do jamo, I guess Obo o kin yun e rara?

Ashewo agbalagba.

princekevo:
Please must you go any length jst to defend evil. Are you forming your own news or the same news as portrayed buy BBC and CNN. I never read any news that suggested the Civilians were carrying  Grenade,petrol bombs. What other sort of weapons are you talking abt man, they got no names?

I am not defending anything.

I am merely moving away from the news doing rounds so far. Watch the link posted by IDF on youtube. It is clear to see that the civilians were armed.

Nah wah o.


Look read my views in foreign section if you want.

Israel was heavy handed. The ship was wrong in my opinion to try and by pass the right protocols, after all, Charities, ambulances et al have all been used in the past to smuggle weapon.

And for those attacking the IDF who boarded the ship, it is nothing but a stupid thing to do in my opinion.

@texazzpete


The aid will go through, but not until a search or at least EM scan is done.

Ambulances, food aids, charities et al have all been fronts for smuggling arms into Gaza, and it is understandable as to why they tend to use a heavy approach with things coming through.

Also, I stated before that the whole operation is not because of the people of Gaza, more like to make a propaganda coup, which they have managed very well. Heck, in flying colours against Israel in my opinion.

Afam:
Wonderful, so you expect the world to believe the footage showed by Israel?

Why didn't they start filming when they got to the ship?

Why determined what was removed and what was left in the footage.

Every message has a creator and until you understand the creator of that message and the motive behind the message you will never understand the message.

Wonderful what? Oh boy, believe what you want. From the images captured and shown, it is clear to see "unarmed" civilians acting as aggressors. That is the point, which as usual, you will miss.

Filming usually start from the beginning of an operation. The footage are later removed and analysed.

Like I said, the image was shown in quick time - I.e the part needed to highlight their point of how they were attacked by so called "unarmed" civilians was shown.

Like your message do right? Ignoring that the so called civilians were armed? How many civilians goes about with a stun grenade and what not? Yeah I thought so. Gosh. How many ships carrying "aids" have weapons on them? Or better still why fire at Military convoy? It ain't so hard to ask certain question you see.

Once again biasses rears it ugly face among the usual suspect. A link showing "unarmed" civilians attacking the task force who boarded the ship is ignored, while a news link painting the story of humanitarian aid is swiftly posted.


Gosh.

"Unarmed civilians" appears to have stun grenade, Petrol bomb, Guns and other sort of weapon.

Man, you gotta love the forum here. How some folks do it is just amazing.

I guess these are the unarmed civilians right? You know, the one who have been reported to have been going about their business and not attempting any act of violence?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE

I am sure many more alternate view will surface in the coming days.

Credit to Maijory for posting this in politics.

Mariory:
Video from IDF

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bU12KW-XyZE

I can't find any videos from passengers on the ship during the actual boarding which is surprising considering the number of journalists on board.
Lot's of news reports but no footage of the actual confrontation that can actually shed some light on this.

Thanks for providing an alternate view.

Filmed with Infra-red camera I think.

The video have been edited, by the looks of it, but I am guessing so as to show the actions in quick time.

So the activist are very peaceful? Let the people make up their own minds up.

I am guessing as well that the video was silenced so as to protect radio calls, tags, and report.

@Joey Crack.

Thanks for the input.

I have always maintained that both sides need to find a comprehensive solution and be willing to make compromise. As it stand, they are far from it. Dunno how much more will both carry on for.

Pointing fingers and blaming each other have yielded little or nothing over time, perhaps it is time for a different approach?

Ikomi:
I wonder why you always put a smile at the end of your post possibly your view sounds good to you and you alone.

Let me in one sentence tell you what you are saying:

And what is there no to understand? That I do not support any killing of the innocent. That if proper channels have been followed perhaps we won't be here discussing this? Which one eludes you?

I am making it clear to you, background issues or not, the killing is unjustified, and am afraid your just bent on standing on a fence and putting your ear to the ground, which is somewhat an impossible task.

Perhaps you should point out where I have categorically stated that the killings are justified, or where I have made a post suggesting so.

You cannot claim to be un-biased while not totally condemning an act of piracy and murder, as the investigation will soon declare.

Really? I remember saying the following and even put it in bold for you, amongst other things.

"If investigation shows that they fired on unarmed civilians that were going about their business and never initiated any attack, let the fullest extent of international law, condemnation and punishment be thrown at Israel."

Yet you want me to do it your way, while things are still on-going?

Also on the issue of piracy, it is funny how you took my point out of context and keep ignoring the things attached to it. Piracy will most likely not qualify here, Iran, US, UK et al etc have all boarded vessels when needed. Also,It may be murder to you and me, but in the court of law self defence and rules of engagement will probably be the theme. But then, never mind you just refuse to see these things

I am not ready for another fruitless effort of round tripping. Good day.

You mean refusal to take side and do what you want? Nice.

Nice talking to you, at least you avoided name calling abit this time. Catch you around.

Iice soft place is taking her to an "Eat all you can 1.99 buffet"

Or better still shower her down a big bucket of KFC and two tango orange drink.

She will never say no after that.

Ikomi:
Look there are two things I want to make you understand:

1. There is no background issue that justifies killing of innocent citizens on international waters.

2. Isreal imposed an illegal blockade on Gaza, and truly has no right to tell any harmless individual how to get to Gaza. That is the point this convoy is trying to make and somehow they have succeded.

If you agree with those two points, then truly as you said we have no argument here.

This is where we see things different am afraid.

Let me make a few things clear. No where in my post is any form of justification. I cannot be clear enough on that.

Secondly, if you say there is no background issue, but then make a point in the same breathe about the background issues leading to the over all problem, then it shows you are missing the point, and only want to push across your view without being objective or non-biased.

Go back to my post, I have stated the view in which a Palestine see the issue and how an Israeli probably sees the issue too. Yet, you seem hell bent on just seeing one side.

Here is a quote of what I said previously

Palasteine point of view - We are suffering, we are caged in etc.

Israeli point of view - We gave back what we could and now they allow their people to fire on us. etc

I also stated that both sides have a valid point, but they are not doing enough to change my view that one need out-weighs the other. Hence why I stated that background issues must be sorted.

Until the issue of Gaza, land control/ownership is sorted and other complications, it will forever be a springboard for incident like this.

That is not taking sides or welcoming the death or "unarmed" civilians, but being objective, non-bias. That is my point, that you so far have refused to recognise.

Ikomi:
Let me tell you, you and your Isrealis better get ready to kill more innocent citizens cause the move now would be to send all aid in from many nations, lets see how many background issues you can come up with.

Loads of Jew people embrace the Palestine movement and Hamas. This is well known. Same way, many Jews called for moving on and trying to find a lasting solution. Nothing new about that.

Ikomi:
And all am trying to make you undestand is that there is practically no background issue, including those we know and those we dont know that is only known to Mr ElRazur that justifies the killing of innocent citizens on international waters.

What would have been the reaction if it was the other way round lets imagine it was Iran that carried out this atrocity would we be looking at background issues?

Erm, there is nothing that is not there for all to know, if you want to I guess.  

Israel did ask them to go through proper channels, but as to why this was not heeded is something that is there for people to make their own mind on. The vessel setting sail do not just happen in a day, things have to be uploaded, logistics made etc. And in the meantime, talks going on to avert this sort of mess.

Remember the vessel set sail to draw attention to the Gaza issue. So, one can point out that it was perhaps a deliberate move to throw away all proper protocols in order to gain maximum exposure.

We are supposed to be civil this time round and refrain from wild accusations right? Shame it aint gonna last long. I have stated time and time again that I am not in support of killing innocent people. Be it Israeli or Palestine, yet you appear to have accused me of welcoming such development.


As for asking me if about Iran, did not suggest in your post that we should debate for what is on-going and remove sidelining issues? I think I'm gonna take that view and leave Iran out of this.

Ikomi:
Let me tell you, you and your Isrealis better get ready to kill more innocent citizens cause the move now would be to send all aid in from many nations, lets see how many background issues you can come up with.

One again see above. The issue of developing a mentality of "you" v "them" in a debate is not something I am keen on engaging am afraid.  

If investigation shows that they fired on unarmed civilians that were going about their business and never initiated any attack, let the fullest extent of international law, condemnation and punishment be thrown at Israel.

princekevo:
My brother, that is all bullshi.t are these the weapons you are talking abt or was there anyother weapons meantion by any other news?

Three hours ago, on my twitter feed from Breakingnews.com it says this:

"Update:Israel's deputy foreign minister says weapons were found aboard Gaza bound 'amanda of hate and violence' "

I don't know about you, but that is pretty much self explanatory. Also it should be noted that there are still searches still going on and things developing behind the scene.




Please look this up. I have it saved on my twitter, just in case someone wants to challenge that.

Ikomi:
Dont try to make things up, one of the occupants on the ship is just speaking on BBC, she said they were expecting Isreali soldiers to board and do a peaceful check but from the air dropping from there helicopters they opened fire.

ElRazur dont try to make things up.

I did made mention it was something I thought of. I never said it was conclusive, nor did I pushed it across as a fact. And I ended up reinforcing the view that it is something I thought of of.

Not sure that should even be an issue.

Ikomi:
I answered that question above if you were reading and not biased.

Here it is again:

You starting post appeared to have ignored the other bit and just made on point I raised about piracy, whilst ignoring the other things attached to it and I replied to it in such manner.  And yes, I have stated that it is bad and question will be asked. I am not trying to go round or even suggesting so.

I just hope you guys that want to always side with evil dont  allow what you preach descend on you. If you agree its bad there is no argument round it. At what point do we start mending fences, must we always relate to what has passed and that because of this or that then innocent people have to be killed.  

Again, it is bad. I cannot stress that enough. Once again, we need to look at the bigger picture. How do you propose fences can be mend?

For example, these problems goes deeper than the incident reported here, but as it stand focus is mainly on the incident at hand. We have done this before and am not sure it's got us no where. I.e a comprehensive approach is needed as for every reaction, there was something that led to that in the first place.

Once again I have stated that I regret the loss of lives, and the whole situation as it stand looks bad, but one cannot just say that without looking at the various background issue to it.

Another thing I was just thinking is that those known peace protesters on board, may not be aware of the whole situation. For example, they may have been assured no weapons were on board etc. But reports coming out, says other wise.

They may have lend their names and what not in good faith, but like I said the motives of the whole aid convoy looks suspicious from where I stand. Like someone said before, let them do this kind of thing to say Dafur - and perhaps they would not have followed the proper channels?

Just a thought.

You cannot pick a point out of context to aid your views. Not sure saying "period" is the end of it. Try to be objective I think.

Have stated before Piracy may not be applicable to here. I am not legal eagle, however I do share this point. UK patrols board ships and intercept them before the even reach UK waters. Should that be piracy? Russsia do the same is that Piracy too? Iran have boarded suspect boat in international waters [and with very good reason too]. The point is, do not just lift what suite you while ignoring the bigger issue.

There are various side as to why there is a blockade on gaza. One side's argument will not achieve anything but endless bickering. Mind you, not that I am in support of the action of the blockage, neither are both sides giving me a reason to think their argument out-weighs the other.

Palasteine point of view - We are suffering, we are caged in etc.

Israeli point of view - We gave back what we could and now they allow their people to fire on us. etc

You see, both sides in my opinion have a valid argument and to see that the whole aid convoy is trying to ignore these issues while trying to bring in aid when there are proper channels [may not be a channel that is everybody's cup of tea] are being ignored is asking for trouble.

From the way it stands, the use of weapons on "unarmed" civilians is bad. Very bad.  However, one can make a point that if proper channels was followed - i.e not trying to undermine the routine in which aids are let in - it could have possibly prevented this?

The deaths would be investigated, and like I have said before. It is early days and more news will be coming out. So far, it looks very bad for Israel.

By the way, the killing of 20 people, do not in my opinion suggest they do not want aid in. After all, aids was getting in all along, but slowly. I instead, see it as "do not confront us and follow the right channels" but then this is my view and my view only.


By the way, what do you make of the news that Weapons were found on board? No one seem to be saying much in regards to this.

No. It is funny if you can read the wits in it. Gosh, people need to calm down with their obsession with God.

@OP

Good on you, aint nothing about the word of God that can beat Sexxxxxing a woman or having a quickie.  Good luck to you. Come back here when you experience that.