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chukzyfcbb:
Not evrrything is Gods will Mr!

The problem with equating everything to Gods will is that it throws away FREE WILL.
We were made in the IMAGE and LIKENESS of GOD. If you don't understand what an image is, think of it as a computer inage(iso). Where you rip contents of a CD and store into a flash.

Although the medium storing the content is different, but the content is the same. If your God isn't a robot why would you think Man has no free will


In genesis 6, the Bible says God saw the wickedness in mans heart and he was greiveing that he created man.

Now will you say God never knew Man would bring him so much pain? If I decide to go by your analogy of saying everything is his will, then what do you make of that verse of God regretting creating man?

Our God knows everything, he knows the starting and ending point, the summary is he knows the consequences of your actions he just DOESNT IMPOSE them.
In your words, everything is encompassed in his knowledge but not in his will

If everything's is playing according to Gods will, why would God have regretted creating man?
Why would the disciples have gone to preach salvation for man to choose?

Simple, we were born with the power of FREEWILL. some of our life actions is as a result of FREE WILL, QED!

Assuming you're walking on a street, then I come over and stab you in the heart.

Could God have rescued you?

If yes, why didn't he?

If no, does that mean he's powerless to stop me from stabbing you?

ollah2:
I quoted the reason why Jesus died. Or is there another?

Jesus died because it was God's will.

CeeKay17:
How can you tell if that's God's will or not? Maybe I don't know what God's will is, but here what the bible says in Jeremiah 29:11
For I know the thoughts that I think toward you, saith the LORD, thoughts of peace, and not of evil, to give you an expected end.
Note the keyword "expected end". God has an expected end for all of us, it doesn't mean that "expected end" is going to come to pass.
God said "expected end" he didn't say "definite or certain end"

First, how do I know it's God's will? Because nothing happens outside of God's will. That's how I know.

Second, death is not evil. Real life begins after death.

Third, expected end? I guess you're assuming that the phrase expected end means expected death?

Wrong! How many humans who ever die knew exactly how and when and where they would die? Or are they all sinners who die unexpectedly which is majority of all human beings?

Get real and stop misquoting the Bible to fit your own or your pastor's narrative of who or what God should be like.

You'll need greater spiritual clarity to understand what is meant by expected end there.

CeeKay17:
Omniscient means all-knowing, omniscient doesn't mean clairvoyance. People should understand the difference. Are you saying God put the forbidden fruit in the garden knowing fully well that Adam is going to eat it? Are you saying God created Lucifer knowing fully well that he's going to rebel against him thus giving rise to the Satan we all know?
Understand the difference brother, God knew exactly what will happen if Adam ate the apple (that's omniscience). God didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not (that's clairvoyance).
God created Lucifer and the other angels (that omnipotence), God didn't know Lucifer will eventually turn into Satan (that's clairvoyance)

Looooooollllll. I can't laugh abeg. You are very ignorant of the terms you're using.

Clairvoyance is a big word, but it shouldn't be so difficult to find out the meaning even if you're not involved in the occultic.

Go and find out the meaning of clairvoyance ok?

Just a hint, clairvoyance can never be used when you are referring to God.

And Omniscience can never be used when you're referring to any created being, be it man or angel.

You have a long way to go.

jbtobsyn:
So if someone shoots you,it is the will of God in your life. I can make a second decision and kill someone,that is not death from God.

What you are saying is that God is powerless to prevent some deaths from happening, right?

Tripleclick:
I dnt think you understand what temptation is... When you are tempted.. God only knows what will happen if you choose right or left... That's why heaven celebrates if you overcome

So if you overcome the temptation, is it God's will that you overcome that temptation or not?

Tripleclick:
All this are natural phenomenon.. Accident having been happening for years and will continue to happen in every part of the world.. Some are caused by man and some a natural cause... Cancer didn't just appeared from nowhere .. Something caused it

And these natural phenomenon that have been happening for years, are they God's will or not?

CeeKay17:
No he doesn't. God knows the expected outcome of everything, e.g he knows what will happen if I go left, right, front or back, but he doesn't know which way I'm going to go (only me know that)
He knew what will happen if Adam ate the apple, but he didn't know if Adam will eat the apple or not, otherwise he wouldn't have put it there in the first place.
Which means God has a will and plan for everything, but not everything goes according to his plan. There's this post I saw on Facebook in 2016. When I find it I'll post it here

So in other words, what you're saying is that God isn't Omniscient. He doesn't know everything?

Well I'm sorry to tell you that the God you serve is not the Almighty, All-knowing, Everlasting God who created everything that exists.

You serve something else that isn't aware of everything.

herraph:
It is man's responsibility to be killed if he wants to get killed.

God didn't come down from heaven to fight for Israel. He can only assist you if you take action.

God is not powerless, He will assist His children if they take action.

Really? What action do you expect from someone who is going about her daily duty and goes to the market only to be in the same scene where a suicide bomber gets exploded?

What action are you expecting from the woman? Not to go to the market?

SuperWorld:
when u write an exam and .....does that mean the examiner's wills to fail u??
or can't prevent u from passing
That's the justice of God...

I guess you're trying to make an allegory here.

You can't compare God's thinking with an imaginary or real human being.

We may not know why things happen because we can't see into the future, but God who is in the future as we speak allows His will to be done to achieve whatever end He pleases.

Everything that has happened, is happening and will happen in future are all encompassed in God's Knowledge and His Will.

femi4:
I believed. My position is that not every death is God's will and I ve given examples. You can't tell me that Abel's death, lot's wife turning to pillar of salt are God's will

How do you know it's not God's will? How much of the Divinity do you know?

CeeKay17:
He has the power to influence anything that happens here, it doesn't mean he uses his powers all the time. Was it God's plan for Lucifer to rebel against him?
God gave us the power of choice, I can decide to jump into the Lagos lagoon today and there's absolutely nothing anybody can do about it, it doesn't mean that's God's will or plan for my life.

So he doesn't use His powers all the time? So when does he use His power? For example, why doesn't he protect the little girls from being defiled by their dads or uncles?

Why doesn't he protect Christians from being slaughtered by radical Islamists?

Tripleclick:
when you are tempted God does not know if you will fall or resist it... It depends on which one you choose for yrself

So you are saying that God does not know everything. That means he isn't Omniscient.

Is that what you mean? Because that's blasphemy.

SuperWorld:
of course. ....God is sovereign.... omniscient.. and all.
But we have some abilities too and he's aware of them (of course he put them there) ....and that's why he doesn't decide for us or....impose on us ....like Mugabe(just saying).
You go can enter ur room and hang yourself and expect God to break the rope before u die...
and of course God's will for no man to hang himself.

You aren't making much sense here sir. You are contradicting yourself.

It's either God is Omniscient and Omnipotent or he isn't. Pick your choice.

Tripleclick:
God can.. Only if you have his grace... Only his children can be saved... You cannot be a cultist and be killed and tell me it is the will of God... What if Yu repented beforehand? Will you still die?

So all those who die in car accidents too are sinners?

What about those who have cancer or other terminal diseases? Are they all sinners too?

ollah2:
Oh so God is cool with people dying in his religious houses? Why would he let that happen when the bolded already happened ?

You are quoting another human being. Is he an authority on life and death and God's will?

SuperWorld:
M not a pastor but I can answer that as well.
God have set some laws and principles for men to follow.....
and.... he that breaks the hedge shall the serpent bite...
He can prevent any death of course. ...
But .....he shows mercy to whom he wants to show....

So are you saying that it is possible for a strand of hair to fall from your head without God knowing about it or that if he knows about it he is powerless to do anything about it because he has already put a law in place, so God is limited by His own law? And his power over and knowledge of his creatures is limited because of this law?

CeeKay17:
God does not impose his will on mankind. Abi did he intentionally create Lucifer so he can turn him into the devil and unleash evil on the world?
Was it his will to make Adam to eat the forbidden fruit so he can curse mankind and make us suffer?
To suggest that everything that goes on in this world including evil such as ISIS, Boko-Haram, Rape, Murder, Rituals, Adultery, Incest, Homosexuality etc is the will or God?
God does not have a hand in every single thing that happens in this world except you're saying God wishes us evil?
You guys should stop this "will of God" thing. Not everything that happens on this earth is the will of God

I just have a question for you.

I guess you're still quite young right? If God Wills that you sleep tonight and not wake up tomorrow, is that untimely death or not?

Jeezuzpick:
Not a hair on my head can fall to the ground withouts God's say so. That's what the Bible says.

Death is a big deal to us because we don't see things the way God does.

However, the death of a sinner is cause for great sadness and pain to God the same way the death of a saint is celebration time in Heaven because another one made it home.

Pastors should beware if saying stuff to please men and appeal to men's psyche.

God's ways are not same as ours.

Good one.

femi4:
You are wrong, Every death is not the will of God. The "will" we are talking about here represent God's desire. He's aware of every death but not all death are his will

You cannot compare Jesus' death to that of Judas Iscariot

Mt 26:39
Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."

So as a Christian you don't believe that Jesus is actually God and the Will of the Father is the same as the Will of the Son and is the same as the Will of the Holy Spirit?

What kind of a Christian are you then?

tbaby534:
So are you saying the wars and deadly diseases in this generation is God's Will? I dont know the God you serve but Yahweh is not a wicked God

When Yahweh allowed the Egyptian army to perish in the Sea of Reeds was He wicked then?

When he knew that Adam and Eve would fall yet planted that tree in the Garden, was he wicked then?

Barywhyte:
You sound like a Muslim. Are u one? If you are, then there is not much I can say here to manage your orientation.

But watch it! Blasphemy and a graveous accussaion against God like the one u made above may elude forgiveness even if it's made in utter ignorance

Is that what your pastor told you or what you deduced by ACTUALLY thinking for yourself?

sirkingz455:
is a lie if your brother kill you with a gun now you say is God will now please don't deceive yourself please

So whose will is it?

CeeKay17:
Are you saying God intentionally created Adam & Eve and put the forbidden fruit in the garden, then it was his will for Adam to eat the fruit so he can curse mankind and make the world suffer the way it's suffering today
Are you also saying he created Lucifer and it was his will for Lucifer to rebel against him so he can throw him out and turn him to the devil?

Just one question for you. Do you believe that God is already in the future and knows exactly everything that will happen in the future?

If he does why did he create Satan if he knew that Satan will cause havoc?

When you've answered that then your eyes will be opened.

SuperWorld:
Though I didn't watch the video (actually no Mb to YouTube) But I believe Not every death is the will of God, Noah would av disobeyed God n died - That wouldn't be God's will, God gat an escape plan for lot and his folks ....but lots wife looked back n perish- that's not the will of God, ....
Two factors whether you live or not, God's words and ur decisions....

To say that some things are outside God's will is to deny his power over all things.

ollah2:
So when people die in religious places such as Mosques, churches, synagogues et al, it's Gods will? Or when they die on their way or when trhey just finished praying to Him?

If it is not God's will then they won't die. To say that something happens without God willing it is to commit a blasphemy.

Death is not the end of life in case you don't know. It's not even the worst thing that can happen to man.

There are worse things than death.

Don't let your pastor scare you with the idea of death.

herraph:
I'm shocked Even a Muslim knows that not every death is the will of God.

Some death is not the will of God.

No wonder Muslim are gone far than xtian in Nigeria.

Don't let your pastor deceive u. Not every death is the will of God.

So are you saying that God is powerless to prevent the killings of Christians by Boko Haram?

Paradigm777:
Person wey go sleep with olosho Com contact HIV, and smoke sotey Com carry cancer and then finally die na God's will abi?

God is omnipresent I.e He is everywhere but does not manifest Himself everywhere. Omniscient... He knows everything but does not control everything
The will of God is in 3 fold
1.perfect will of God
2.acceptable will of God
3.good will of God
ROMANS 12:2

I'm sure you don't even know the meaning of the Bible verses you've quoted.

How is God's will perfect if it doesn't encompass all of his creation? If something can happen outside of God's will how is his will perfect?

SuperWorld:
Though I didn't watch the video (actually no Mb to YouTube) But I believe Not every death is the will of God, Noah would av disobeyed God n died - That wouldn't be God's will, God gat an escape plan for lot and his folks ....but lots wife looked back n perish- that's not the will of God, ....
Two factors whether you live or not, God's words and ur decisions....

So are you saying that God does not have the power to prevent certain deaths?

Tripleclick:
Some deaths are man made
.. Sin kills easily... And it is not the will of God for a man to sin

Are you saying that God couldn't have prevented the death?

Having fun in church, aren't we? Something to keep people interested and not bored so that they can renew their membership every Sunday. Great.

No wonder churches these days also bring comedians to entertain.

I guess the Worship of God has taken on a new meaning in this faithless generation.

[quote author= post=68130729]Not every death is the will of God....

This is a True man of God.

More of these videos Op.[/quote]Blasphemy.

Every death no matter how gruesome is accommodated in God's will.

Nothing that happens in this life is outside the will of God.

That man is a fake. You better change your church. He doesn't know what he's speaking about.

To suggest that some things can happen outside of God's will is to suggest that God is not Omniscient or Omnipotent. That is blasphemy.