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makydebbie:
I don't know or care lol. This is just some childish shiit.

Really childish. He's just seeking attention. Maybe he wants me to send his gf a pm.

victorian:
I wonder o


She's gf. Not even wife sef

Na so babe hard am to get ?

We wey get our own boo, should we announce it on TV?

He's just trolling for attention.

makydebbie:
Same here, like two kids are playing here or something.

I suspect the op is using two monikers to troll. Otherwise what's the big deal if your wife joins Nairaland. Or is Seun dashing Nairalanders money ni?

Makarous:
your argument is lopsided.. Ok?? Think objectively and rationally on this issue, then, you would get it. Cheers.

You are hilarious.

sunnywinter:
Lol that won't be possible. I don't speak Hausa well myself.

Awwww... Ok, no probs. Maybe i'll teach you the little i know. Lol.

Have a great week ahead though.

Olabenjamen22:
1. I hope you believe that both angel and human have a free will.

And about Satan issue, the ultimate will of God for Satan is not to fall, it is will that Satan choose that fall him.
What am trying to say is that in the GOD design for Satan, Their is a point where God allow Satan to choose either To rebel against him or to work with him. God know the outcomes of the two will he gave Satan but he did not know which one Satan will follow.

That's what is called free will, God know all the possible outcomes of Your will but he did not choose your will for you. Peace

You've made very good points especially the bolded.

But it still doesn't solve the issue of the perfect will of God and the perfect knowledge of God.

If God's knowledge is perfect then that means he knows everything. And if his will is perfect then that means everything that happens is contained in his will.

This opens up another sphere of theory. The theory of the parallel universes.

benodic:
@ ElsonMorali



You are welcome.
Remain blessed

You too

sunnywinter:
Just once in a blue moon oh. And as for this Christmas, I'm not even sure I'll go. Lol

Lol. I understand. That means you don't go home often. And here I was hoping you'd brush up my Hausa for me. Lol.

herraph:
Rubbish. You have been deceived by your Pastor

Lol. I am my own pastor. I don't give my eternal destiny to the care of some hapless individual whose sole interest is leaching off of me.

Awaken your mind and you'll be shown the Truth.

ollah2:
You can give your appropriate answer regardless of the question.

No I can't.

GRACEGLORY:
Then, you mean the scripture is contradicting sir, because, these are what it says, and not my own words.

You mean your own interpretation of the Scriptures. There's no guarantee that your interpretation of the Scriptures is correct.

Tripleclick:
All this things are from mother nature.. God does not own this world... He owns the people in it.. One thing he did was that he gives every man the freedom to choose any path he likes

Oh Lawd!!!

God does not own this world?

Wow. When you get to church next week Sunday just help me tell your pastor say e no dey try at all.

Tripleclick:
Dnt say "his will" we overcome temptation through our own willingness and Gods grace.

Are you aware that you are subjected to temptations because He wills it?

Paradigm777:
Someone's death might be an acceptable will but not perfect will of God....
Was d birth of Ismael a perfect will of God for Abraham or acceptable /permissive will of God?

I see that you/your pastor has divided God's will into two, acceptable and perfect.

I want you to meditate on this:

God's will is always perfect. Everything about God, all His attributes are always perfect and that includes His will.

To say God's will is not perfect at times is to say God is not perfect.

That's blasphemy.

jbtobsyn:
That is not what I meant.

So what did you mean?

herraph:
It's the driver's and the passenger fault, because accident are caused mostly by high speeding driver. If your driver over speed , you tell him to calm down.

If God himself promised you his is not going to let you die, no one can kill you, even if there is death about to be caused on the road, He will do everything possible for you not to get their either by u not getting a driver to take u there or using someone else to distract from getting there. But how many people are close enough to God to be promised such things. God help the children he is close to.

God does not want his children to die, it's the devil . Don't associate God with bad things please.

Lol.

So death is a bad thing? How do you intend to enjoy heaven if you don't die first?

So Jesus Christ that was put to death on the Cross is also a bad person.

What about his apostles that were all killed?

Wow. You guys have a long way to go yet, but unfortunately all of you only think about these things only on Sunday when you go to Church.

It's obvious that the next great philosopher isn't coming out of this generation. That's for sure.

ollah2:
That doesn't answer the question

It does. Answer that and I'll give you an appropriate answer.

CeeKay17:
It's hard to believe you're not trolling, but I'll reply you anyways

Deuteronomy 30:19 - I call heaven and earth to record this day against you, [that] I have set before you life and death, blessing and cursing: therefore choose life, that both thou and thy seed may live

Deuteronomy 30:15 "Now listen! Today I am giving you a choice between life and death, between prosperity and disaster.

Lol and how do those verses show that God's will is not done in all things?

UbiPetrus:
Not every death is God's will. However, nothing escapes His notice.
He is indeed Omniscient and Omnipotent.
He is God.

Contradiction.

He knows everything but he is powerless do anything about it.

That's the meaning of your statement.

chukzyfcbb:
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You are just replying everyone with nothing tangible to show for.

FREEWILL was given to MAN and his life actions sometimes will be as a result of his actions. you either accept it or keep being ignorant.

I understand where you guys are coming from, that's why I'm trying to kick start your Independence thinking to see if you can think outside of the box constructed for you by the man/woman you call pastor.

The God that most people who call themselves Christians worship today is actually a god that they've created in their own image and likeness.

They impose upon God their own limitations and worldview and can't think outside of their personal experiences.

Yet, the human experience is supposed to move us closer to the Truth.


Someone's asking me if I'm an atheist. Lol.

Atheists don't believe in the existence of a Supreme being. I do.

And He won't be Supreme if His Will is not Supreme.

Most so-called Christians don't believe in God. They believe in the God they or their pastors have fashioned and created in their minds.

CeeKay17:
Are you an atheist? Because I think I'm starting to understand where you're driving at. A quote I heard in a movie just came to my mind

“If God is all-powerful He cannot be good, if God is good He cannot be all-powerful!”

– Lex Luthor in Batman v. Superman: Dawn of Justice

Is that the point you're trying to make?

The point I'm trying to make is that NOTHING and I mean absolutely NOTHING happens outside if God's will.

To claim that it does is to say that God isn't Omnipotent or Omniscient.

That's the point I'm trying to make.

CeeKay17:
You've been dodging my questions all day. Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside God's will?
With your last 2 questions, I don't even know the point you are driving at honestly

And where in the Bible does it say that something can be done outside the will of God?

benodic:
@ ElsonMorali



Thanks for your question. I will contribute my little quota of knowledge

Hell according to the Christian faith is a place of torment with Devil in charge where sinners will be thrown into, to burn and suffer for eternity. this definition gives no room for reincarnation as there is a finality to it and there are no second chances once you end up in hell.

From ECKANKAR point of view based on my understanding and experiences, Hell is not just a place. It is a state of consciousness. When a soul's state of consciousness is anchored on negativity like anger, lust, hatred and with no iota of love, that soul is virtually in hell no matter his or her physical or spiritual location.

Souls whose state of consciousness are imbued with negativity will naturally gravitate to places in the inner worlds that are hellish and devoid of love when they die in the physical plane. Like always attract like. The difference is that sojourn in such hellish places in the inner worlds are temporary and not permanent.

After a time , such souls are released from those places and sent back to earth to continue their schooling and correct the mistakes that got them there in the first place. That is where reincarnation comes in.

In Christian faith Demons are seen as evil spirits that work with the Devil to torment Man and lure him to Hell.

From what I know, they are what is known as elemental spirits.
In the spiritual hierarchy, they are at the bottom of the ladder below the level of man and they are involved in ensuring that forces of nature work normally.
So you have elemental spirits in charge of water, fire, plants, animals, rocks, wind, etc. For example mermaids are elemental spirits in charge of water.
These spirits are immature souls that are also on the journey of self and God-realization and will someday attain the level of humans from where their journey starts more consciously and they also go through the circle of reincarnation.

But man in his quest for materiality and power often abuses these spirits and use them to do a lot of negative things.

Another source of demon spirits are from earth bound souls. These are souls that were involved in a lot of negativity while alive on earth and on dropping the physical body in death found themselves bound to the earth environment unable to enter the next spiritual plane. They are the source of ghost phenomenon and at times they can possess another human being's body.

This condition too is not permanent and they can be helped by Spiritual Masters who can free them from this trap and take them to another spiritual plane from where they are prepared to reincarnate again and continue their schooling

So in summary, Reincarnation is an opportunity that God in It's infinite love and mercy has given all souls to enable them to go through several rounds of schooling in other for them to mature and become God-realized and eventually become co-workers with God.

Always Feel free to ask any question.
Thanks and remain blessed

Thank you so much for your response. Even though I do have a different view of things I do agree with some aspects. But we are all in search of Truth. May we find it.

GRACEGLORY:
NO need to argue you two BROTHERS, let's win souls, they're here. LET'S EXPLAIN ETERNAL LIFE TO THEM, SO THAT GOD WILL ENLIGHTEN THEM.

We can only enlighten them if we ourselves know the truth otherwise we'll mislead them, right?

GRACEGLORY:
We don't die, we exit this world to the another place I mentioned above, as this place is corrupt.

The Apostle Paul spoke of this in 2 Corinthians 5:1-8:

For we know that when this earthly tent we live in is taken down (that is, when we die and leave this earthly body), we will have a house in heaven, an eternal body made for us by God himself and not by human hands. We grow weary in our present bodies, and we long to put on our heavenly bodies like new clothing ... we want to put on our new bodies so that these dying bodies will be swallowed up by life ... we know that as long as we live in these bodies we are not at home with the Lord. For we live by believing and not by seeing. Yes, we are fully confident, and we would rather be away from these earthly bodies, for then we will be at home with the Lord. (NLT)

Like I said you're contradicting yourself and this is straying from the topic.

All things that happen are contained in God's will.

ollah2:
But Jesus is supposed to be God according to Christendom

Are you a Christian?

GRACEGLORY:
John 9:31 We know that God does not listen to sinners, but He does listen to the one who worships Him and does His will.

Good. And I guess you can tell who a sinner is?

How did you come about that faculty if I may ask?

Also, are you saying that there are some few people on this earth who are thousands of years old, people like Peter and Paul. Because they did God's will and you'd expect them not to die. Right?

I heard Peter was crucified upside down. That's quite a revelation considering the fact that only sinners are billed to die painful deaths, don't you think?

chukzyfcbb:
Your question is out of line. rephrase it to align with the subject topic. thank you.

Obviously you don't understand the question.

Read it in light of your last response that I quoted before this one. Thank you.

CeeKay17:
Where in my post did I imply that evil means death? Where in my post did I impy that expected end means death? How can you take my statement and turn it into whatever you feel like just to suit your argument?

I remember saying evil things such ISIS, Boko-haram, homosexuality, incest, rape, genocide, murder, fornication etc. You can't tell me when these things happen, it is the will of God even when God clearly told us in the bible that such things are evil
God clearly spelled out what is good and what is evil and you're telling me when evil happens, it it the will of God?

Where in the bible did it say nothing can be done outside the will of God? Even Jesus said "thy will be done on earth, as it is in heaven" what does that tell you?
God clearly instructed Adam not to eat the apple, lest he dies, and you're still saying it was God's will for him to eat the apple? Does that even make any sense to you?
You need to stop being so close minded, you won't gain anything from it.

You are the close minded one who believe absolutely whatever his pastor says.

Open your mind and free your mind. okay?

To suggest that anything can happen outside the will of God is to say that God's knowledge is deficient or his might is deficient.

If God is all knowing (and He is) didn't he know that Adam and Eve will eat of the fruit of the garden?

If God is all powerful why can't he kill the devil now and stop him from tempting people to sin and causing hardship for mankind?

Go figure.

Princewell2012:
Hmmm I beg to disagree. So you all this plane crashing here and there is the will of God

Do you know that the numbers of recorded in Africa yearly is higher than the once been recorded in the west.Eg. America? Do you know how many people who by mosquitoes alone? Yet this was easily cotailed by the Europeans. Does it means that God love them more than he love Africans.?

If these aren't God's will are you saying that God is powerless to stop these deaths?

GRACEGLORY:
We condemn what we don't understand. Best way to prove a point is to understand it first.
And the understanding of true knowledge can't be hidden, even when you're mute, the fruits are obvious.
Such is the case of men of GOD.

If you were a scientist, that has the ability to make life, would you like to take it back... I doubt it, except if you love to destroy the work
Of your own hands. Even a wicked man doesn't want his works destroyed.
Take for instance, you buy an electronic gadget, and you're buoyant so that even if you destroy this newly acquired set, you can afford another, would you destroy the newly acquired because of that. No!
Another angle to it: dog lovers, will comprehend these... We cry, and get worried over our pets, we tend to them, we nurse them, we desire for them to flourish.
When they're in labor we hang between heaven and earth, when they thrive and are healthy, we show them off, and we're happy.
We never had the cause to pick one up and smash its life against the wall because we're GOD over them.

If you won't, why would GOD play dice with Human LIVES.?




Sin brought death, man was created to live forever, so GOD took advantage of death to make it an exit for man into
Another place where he would live forever without having to die nor disconnect from him GOD.
BUT HE SAID BEFORE THIS TIME: Genesis 6:3 So the LORD said, "My Spirit will not contend with man forever, for he is mortal; his days shall be 120 years."

If man dies before this specified period, it's either he's behind the fence of the Kingdom, or ignorant of this fact, whichever way, man is the course of his own death even if killed by a witch, because it takes the ignorance and the lack of the application of the word of GOD to get killed by a mere witch, and even one reading this, and a wizard too if one happens to be reading this.


HENCE, WE HAVE OVERCOME DEATH, BECAUSE, DEATH HAS BEEN DESTROYED, IT'S DEEP THAN THE SURFACE.

You are contradicting yourself.

Point to who is not going to die in this world.

Do you pray to live till you're 300 years old on this earth?

Sometimes I just wonder if people think deep about what they claim they believe in.

If death has been destroyed why do Christina die then?

herraph:
What she should do is to pray sincerely to God, if she doesn't pray Sincerely to God she will die.

Stop putting my God's name in vain. God does not kill

Lol. You're being emotional. This has got nothing to do with emotions.

Now picture a group of travelers who board a bus at the motor park.

As the bus leaves the park someone in the bus starts a prayer and they all say amen.

The bus midway in its journey has an accident and they all die.

What do you say to that in light of your response that anybody who dies is because they did not pray sincerely to God.

As for the statement that God does not kill, you are very ignorant.

If God does not take your life do you think it's possible for someone else to take your life?

If God says you're not going to die, who can kill you?

Smh