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Xionez: Boku Boku. . . Eyah.
Okay, i promise never to jump the fence but to remain everly in this class thread!

all I wan hear before

Hehe oshare I suppose ask u before...I no be Urhobo nau

bukatyne: hello, ow did ur day go?

My day was fine, thanks...and you?

re u a christian?

No but I was nurtured under a Christian household.

The bible is often claimed to be the divine word of god yet that same book is a cultural manual for the Jews (at least the OT).
Religion is an extension of culture (note those that are patriarchal often favour men)...and the bible is a continuation from the Torah (OT aka Jewish laws).

From genesis - we first discover how women were made supposedly subordinate to men as a punishment...thus our so called god-given gender roles was as a result of a punishment!...?
Women generally played the supporting role in the bible and were mostly elected as the lead when our femininity was thus needed aka Mary’s womb.

The bible certainly does not promote equality and many are led to believe that this is supposedly God's command so such roles should be unreservedly accepted when religion being a by-product of culture most likely contained bias that stood to serve a particular demographic.

@LagosShia + tbaba

First of all my emphasis was not even on sex it was on the role of the houris.

When a list is drawn up of some of the pleasures to be found or experienced in Paradise, Houris will definitely feature.

Thus my question follows: what is the purpose of their existence? Or maybe I should say...Are the Houris just one of the many pleasurable provisions to be made in Paradise?

The way I look at it...the Houris existence (at the very least part of their existence) is largely for the purpose of satisfying another – their companion.
They form part of the rewards to be found in Paradise. They are thus “prizes” - at least they are presented as such.
Hence my questions - Are these female characters objectified?....Afterall they exist for what? To gratify another or to add to another’s pleasure?

LagosShia: now the importance of having companionship could turn out to be your spouse in this world if both the husband and wife make it into paradise.if not,then there must be provision for companionship for either of the two.

Oh so they are also the [i]consolation [/i]prize?

maclatunji: @bolded, that would be wrong. It would be right to say Houris are an integral part of the heavenly(paradise) experience. Do I read you correctly if I say you find it belittling to you as a woman that Houris are meant to perform that function?

Yes admittedly there is a part of me as a female that finds the primary function of these houris to be quite belittling because I deem them as mere provision or as if their existence is largely to gratify another...but I would have still raised the question if there are any male characters that are provided for the pleasure of women and I wouldn’t find their role any less demeaning or objectifying because they are male.

Add to the fact that some of these men to be promised a houris most likely have wives who may qualify for Paradise but are granted these houris as a bonus?

To be honest I guess my thoughts regarding this subject is influenced by my convictions and own interpretation and understanding of Paradise from another’s description but I know I wouldn’t want to be a prize or for my existence (wholly or partly) to largely be for another man’s satisfaction and vice versa .

Sorry, I accidentally modified your post. Slip of mind and hands.

That’s ok...it makes a difference for a mod to emphasis another’s post as opposed to erasing it completely hehe.

maclatunji: However, you have to understand that sexual pleasure can only be maximized if both parties are willing to give as much pleasure as they receive. In order words Houris will enjoy the act as much as men will. I may then ask if the Houris have been honoured with a life of perpetual bliss? So rather than being objects to be used. They are honoured companions of men who derive pleasure from men as much as men derive pleasure from them.

I do understand that and I take that into consideration...however the houris’s companions are not the ones presented as a reward stapled to the heavenly experience.
The houris main function appears to be to heighten or add to the pleasure of their companions in paradise irrespective of them being in receipt of any pleasure because that was not even the objective (add to the fact that heaven is supposed to be a place pleasurable to all inhabitants anyway)...the difference is that they were created or provided to satisfy another even within other aforementioned roles i.e. "seeking blessings for their would-be husbands" and even allegedly being perpetual virgins – (at least to my own understanding).
Is it wrong to say that the Houris are mainly offering a service - aiding their companion's heavenly experience?

Hhmm..I appreciate your response but I thus wonder...what is the primary function of these Houris?

maclatunji: it is not everything that we humans will be able to explain as we do have limits to what we can understand about the hereafter.

Indeed and I try to factor this in as much as possible.

Ploy.

Watch Boxing.

o X where u dey vanish to b4? u neva sabi all this while I don dey miss u boku

Does the presence of Houris in Paradise as a heavenly reward cater to the objectification of females?

Is the sole purpose of the creation of the Houris to pleasure the men who’ll inhabit heaven?

If so then doesn’t this serve to objectify females?

And if there are male characters that are reserved for the women who’ll inhabit heaven (as I’ve been told) my questions still stands as vice versa.

[quote author=D.pinaku]Crop [/quote]Prop.

mruknaijaboy: me hope say sun go con dey appear soon

No be only you...today I no wan carry jacket on top of cloth

e be like say u nor dey enter nairaland for afternoon again, na so so morning u dey enter, wetin happen? u dey for abroad or abi na wetin?

Lol I never travel...but no be effri time pesin feel e wan enter NL sha ...mavo?

Humour him

mcnepow!

K/O...then complete her sex reassignment surgery

Crap.

Guy u kno before London weather na bipolar...yesterday rain wan share spotlight but sha sun come do overtake again...werin I for wia again under this unstable weather naim be my problem o...only in London pipo fit combine umbrella and shades

I don't particularly have favourites...just those I'm quite intrigued by. I find Revelations to be an interesting book...another mention would be Daniel.

From.

^^^
I don't eat it frequently but only when I have assignments and I may have to stay up late - that's where the bitter taste helps me

I wouldn't actually mind trying out that combination with spiced peanut butter and garden egg...sounds slightly appetizing lol.

Ptolomeus: Ahhhhhhh (relief) Thanks for the reply dear friend! Thank god I read wrongly!
My confusion is that many elements of traditional religion began to be used by Christians ... even the name "Olorun" ...
I thought that was also used cola nut.
I know the kola nut ... I had the honor to try it.
But in our country is not cultivated, possibly as a matter of climate.
As usual, you're a sweet woman.
Thank you dear friend!

Did you like the taste?

Flog.

Long time o...UK bobo how nau?

@OP Writing.

[quote author=Lord_Reed]Your home state?[/quote]No but it's the state where I was born

^^^
not anybody....somebody

Next in no particular order:

emöfine², 2emöfine, emöfine2

Maltina

I'd give her a bear hug and tell her to fill me in also

ckkris: Emofine,
Please I want you to refute and disprove these facts as lies. tbh, I'm willing to learn, because I don't know everything.

What are you talking about? The onus is on you to back up your biased statement with facts.
Meanwhile I still maintain...human decency, moral conduct and even that in which ones calls “God” predates religion.

The partiality of facts displayed by frosbel who is apparently a recipient of the “truth” conveys a dishonesty.
If one claims that what they have is the “truth” why then convey only half-truths when unfolding details as pertaining to the supposed “richness” of Africa’s various traditional system[b]s[/b] in order to negatively contrast them to that of Christianity?

Highlighting the negative practises that occurred in various African cultures as a summary and template of African traditional beliefs is disingenuous most especially as one can quite easily underline the negatives in the Christian faith including the nations the missionaries came from.

But it’s truly sad when some Africans still seem to invest in the belief that we must remain grateful for the “invasion” of the missionaries that arrived on the once savage continent because without these intruders we would have forever been a lost people...despite the largely unkind carriage in which our so called pending civilization and salvation came.

However this exposé of the supposed singular African culture can be negated by other cultures on the continent one by one.
Not all cultures in Africa practised female circumcision, killed twins or even polytheism etc but that is not to say some of the things in those other African cultures were not guilty of other atrocities. But it goes to show that all cultures worldwide at one time held unto to some deplorable belief. The medieval English for example discriminated against ginger haired and left handed people and this was whilst they were aware of the apparently crude-curing faith of Christianity.

Many great empires in Africa predated the birth of Christ let alone Christianity and that is what emphasizes the “'richness' of Africa prior to the invasion by the English man”. The irony is that those nations who generously gave Africa the gift of salvation and an added bonus of civilization largely view Africa as uncivilized for adhering so tightly to the so called civilized belief. Africans(Nigerians) for the most part may have discarded their former practises (both the good and bad) but their conduct and approach to the adopted imported beleifs still largely remains superstitious as was conveyed with the former systems.

Finally what is the difference between such downgrade attitude shown by frosbel et al and the negative rhetoric some non-Christians (including the “English man”) use to demote Christianity?
Respect is reciprocal and this is the reason why many ardent religious adherents do not attain much respect for their belief system when they see fit to hypocritically disrespect the sacred beliefs of another.