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GracieX3:
Keep quiet.

Terrorist supporter.

Normal people are alarmed that a terrorist sympathiser is heading our digital space in Nigeria.

But you are here keeping quiet.


When MURIC was attacking Christians and fighting for hijab, you were posting happily.

Now that MURIC is supporting a terrorist sympathiser, you are keeping quiet.


Cc lanre.xlan, udat.so, s.ino, stalw.ert

GracieX3:
I see you prefer to play games like Ramadan quiz.

#dishonesty

flames01:
Christians are peaceful people and will never attack people for converting to Islam. If it is the other way round, you Muslims would have sent death threats to Muslims who convert to Christianity.

Islam is a religion of intolerance and violence.

Ykc2:
Igbo people will never accept Muslim in igbo land but we won't stop any igbo person from claiming to be Muslim so long he or she used it to make more customers from North Muslim

BafanaBafana:
Mosque that they will destroy soon

secretkiller:
This Mosque will be demolished, write todays date down.

Enugu state is not Kano.

GracieX3:
Empi.ree,

It seems that you don't want to address the issue.⁶is

GracieX3:
[s]Empi.ree, instead of posting rubbish, why not post relevant issues that affect muslims in the real world.

Today, your beloved MURIC is standing behind a terrorist supporter called Isa Pantami. A terrorist supporter is a terrorist too.

Now, the whole country is watching in anger in disbelief. The country is being divided and muslims, especially northerners are on one side.

Please, stop dodging issues. It makes you look dishonest.[/s]

TheClown:
Why would any right reasoning Nigerian Christian say he doesn't believe this? Is it not happening already? Please don't be foolish! Even you can't predict future, can't atleast observe the past and the present? Nonsense!

I'm a northerner and a Christian, if we disregard this revelation, we are not worthy to be called sensible human beings. What have we not suffered? Is there any reason not to believe it? Don't be foolish!!!!!!!

PrecisionFx:
Keep quiet u professional ignorant man.

U are a lost soul and ur brain is filled with useless Asian religion.

Koran and bible are one and the same book & u have demonstrated that u have never read dem both, this is not even being contested anywhere.

Mohammed came into existence less than 100a years ago and wrote the koran, Bible events took place written over 2000 years ago

GreatThings:
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All of the bible is inspired by the holy spirit, so it is a book from God, the extra books you brought up (which is what we are debating)are not inspired you can find this information with basic Wikipedia, and I have read and confirmed this myself, you can ask any other Christian that you know has read it since you have no way of telling.

You literally proved all of my points and even gave supporting verses. Ese o. Read through it again, this time with the sovereignty of God in mind.

Well for the last time we don't have a Christian curriculum any Christian can study the bible for themselves, individual interpretation is encouraged that is why we have bible study, you say what you think, other people, hopefully more mature jump in and answer your questions.

GreatThings:
I will go back to what I said in the very beginning of this talk, there is no Christian curriculum anywhere. Yes as a christian you work out your salvation given to you with fear and trembling, All of this philosophy, I have read some of these books literally. we are arguing about will not save anyone's heart, so in Christianity it is not a priority sorry. I literally mentioned some of them go against sola christus, they are not all inspired, It literally doesn't matter except to people who are looking to pick a bone. Back to the matter at hand.

Do you have faith in Jesus Christ?

That is the koko of the oro. Jesus death, Cruxfiction and Resurrection is told in those 66 books and that is enough for you. If your are focusing on religion dos and donts by all means please make sure you read those books.

Nobody is adding anything to God. We have something in Christianity, called the Character of God. Because we understand we are made in Gods likeness, like how we try to make robots after us. God made us like him, we get angry because God gets angry, we laugh because he laughs, we get these attributes from him. He is the perfection of these attributes. So in the bible, we also study the character of God not add to God. This is a lot all at once. This is why people have bible study every week and sermons and discipleship classes etc.

PrecisionFx:
And yet u still do not know that bible and Koran are same.

UnabashedIPOB:
I take offence to that. I have no hand in making that place a ZOO. Nothing that I have ever done contributed to the condition that's prevailing there. You might have contributed albeit tacitly because of your support for bad governance and those who try to keep the statusquo ante! You can play the ostrich all you want by lying to your self about not just ONE NIGERIA but UNITED STATES OF AFRICA nonsense. You forget that you're a black person and you reason like an animal. Good luck with that.

GreatThings:
Yep I have read some of these extra books, they are book of good morals but they dont add to the gospel of salvation. So I agree with it being optional, some Christians will just say Catholics are not Christians, again its about testing all spirits which I did for myself.

There are also the Gnostic books which preach salvation by knowledge, hence not in the bible. The Ethiopian Orthodox Church even has more books, they are literally online, and not hidden or destroyed. They go against sola Christus, salvation is through Christ alone, so that's that.

Do you know a broad way to test scripture?
It must not contradict with the Old Testament or as you said the Old Covenant
It must not contradict existing scripture

It must add something new about the Character of God.

God said he will punish people who add maybe you should ask him if he did that. Any born again believer can talk to God.

GreatThings:
Lool there is no way a man -one man that came 600 years after Jesus, that is not related to him in anyway will say oh they abandoned the covenant , you don't even know the covenant.

Jesus spoke about the covenant in detail, of adultery, of divorce, Abraham and others. MY QUESTION If you do know What is this covenant? You don't have the Tanakh to know what this covenant is. In Christianity, we have the old testament attached to the new testament over 40 books, in fact Paul's letters (a good amount )is about explaining the old covenant and how it relates to the new covenant. Paul said "I was circumcised when I was eight days old. I am a pure-blooded citizen of Israel and a member of the tribe of Benjamin—a real Hebrew if there ever was one! I was a member of the Pharisees, who demand the strictest obedience to the Jewish law." If anyone knew the law it was him. Fam lets be calming down.

My God is a God of Justice, he seats in Justice and Righteousness. 1 Cori 15:19: "If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable" Well there is justice in this life and the next, you cannot tell God what to do. End of story.

Nope so sorry but there is no way that you understand more reading from any book than Christians who have the living holy spirit giving them fresh instruction. "The Letter Killeth(just reading or knowledge for the sake of knowledge), the Spirit (communion with the Holy Spirit) brings Life" -2Cori 3:6.

Nope I will say its the other way around. We serve a God that is alive, moving and speaking today. God brought the old testament, the Jews accepted it. God manifested himself as God the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit and fulfilled the old testament, thoughts higher than human thoughts. Wow, What God cannot do literally does not exist!!

UnabashedIPOB:
When the British came they could not overpower Hausa/Fulani way of life. But igbo and Yorùbá were ran over by Whites.

I hope you don't take any umbrage but you have a false sense of history and a white washed one at that. I m not sure where you get your history lessons from but do not say them publicly because people would start to wonder about your sanity. Go read how the Igbos, Arochukwu precisely, fought the British for over 40 years before they were defeated in 1902. The British knew it and know that Igbos are very stubborn and non conformists that's why they don't' like us, They throw their support behind the Fulani. So, please go read the history and not make believe one that you're espousing.

UnabashedIPOB:
The problem we have in the ZOO is because we are ONE NIGERIA. Let us go and worry about our issues and you worry about yours. You cant force one to remain in a marriage that's broken. I am not surprised that you could not give me ONE GOOD reason you're proud to be a NIGERIAN. Are you not ashamed?

GreatThings:
Lool Muslims also don't know about Christianity, if they did they will all be Christians. Even Christians gon are still learning, seminary school everywhere,

the bible is a big book with 66 individual books, thousands of chapters. Imagine learning about God's overwhelming love and sacrifice, imagine reading about miracles, signs and wonders, speaking in tongues, where God says yes you can raise the dead, reading about faith, God's provision, God's character. So yeah you don't know about Christianity, and if you do and then rejected it. Then that's on you.

UnabashedIPOB:
Yes the governors are crooked I can't agree with you more on that but guess what? The government that suppose to prosecute them would not do it. It wants people that would cater to the interest of the FULANI. The same failed government installed a governor of its choice in IMO STATE through the Supreme Court against the will of the people and you claim you're a democracy. Nigeria is a failed state right from inception and NOTHING would ever UNITE the country. Give me one good reason that makes you proud to be a NIGERIAN! I bet you can't!!

UnabashedIPOB:
I have to assume you are a Yoruba Muslim. I have no issues with anyone's religion but when you use religion as a means to destroy and subjugate another or commit atrocities in the name of religion, then I have a problem with that. Fulanis have always believed in feudalism and their main goal is to conquer and subjugate the indigenous people of the land. I just have to sound a note of caution incase you do not remember how the FULANIS used Afonja as a willing tool to take ILORIN from your people. So, you better not let being a Muslim cloud your sense of right and wrong. Being a Yoruba Muslim would not save you if and when they take over your ancestral land with your help.

UnabashedIPOB:
It's funny you said these words:

You want to chase fulanis away but at the same time seeking help from western world to get it done. I live in diaspora and you people just don't
get it including clowns here in diaspora. You think western world do anything for free?. Can you Black people open your eyes and see?. Didn't
you see what western world did to other countries especially Muslim countries with their fake promises of democracy and freedom?

The same FULANI that you are defending although you have nothing in common with them other than religion are the same black people selling the ZOO to the British and now you're telling me about the reasoning of black people. Common man, the problem with black people including you is that you hate to hear the truth and you are always clouded by religious bigotry. Truth be told, you did not watch the video because you could not handle the truth. You could not dispute any of what he said in that video

PrecisionFx:
Have u ever read the bible?

PrecisionFx:
U are a totally brainwashed individual.

Islam was copied from christianity and yet Islam is d true religion

PrecisionFx:
""CHRISTIANITY can never have universal way of worship.""

But Islam is abi?

UnabashedIPOB:
Watch this video and then you can answer your own questions whether your mentor, Terrorist Pantami, deserves to be in government.

https://www.youtu..be.com/watch?v=GtNGj_Fgy4o

GreatThings:
Wow, this has been really enlightening for me. So your Quran teaches you that Christians hate you. That's where all that rhetoric is coming from.

Yep I agree with you, Europe has put morality "being a good person" over the word of God. I can only pray for them that God will raise people like Esther to just convert all of them together back to him. But make no mistake the fruits of what they enjoy refugee and germans alike now are from their Godly parents. End of Story.

Nobody said Christianity will be a universal way of worship, again you are PROJECTING ISLAMS DOCTRINE. In the bible some people are sent to heaven others to the lake of fire, so of course not everyone will be a Christian. In fact the bible mentions Ishmael's descendants - I am sure I dont need to go into that for you.

The bible also says in Romans 1 not to Judge because ye yourself do worse things, and God has given these people up to their selfish desires. Meaning he is like do what you want. Love is not forcing someone to worship you, If you love a girl you dont force her to love you. But we might even have different concepts of love.

Christian state is in name alone, nothing has changed since Gov Wike made that announcement?

The hope is as people become Christians their hearts are changed so they automatically produce righteous laws, its not by declaring state upandan at least most Christians understand that.

I know you don't from your perspective because you guys have a different concept of an Islamic state so it is what it is, maybe try to understand the other perspective too once in a while.

Personal Anecdote here: One of my favorite hymn is O great God of highest heaven, and it says "help me to know heaven Joys." Sometimes we have never experienced ice cream before and we keep wanting sand. My prayer for myself when I first heard the hymn was sometimes I cant know what is better for me, God help me.

GreatThings:
Just seeing this, thanks for sharing. Correction this was one church not CAN. You had the church name there not CAN. Are you misleading people?

Already on the thread people have gone against it. I am sure it is not in circulation anymore

No lives were lost and except you bringing it up, no ideology was spreading.

So I am asking you, what is the way foward?

GreatThings:
In summary, we are all working out our salvation with fear and trembling, hence we don't have a unified code of teachings. Christians don't even want a Christian state but we do want people to be christian hence soul winning because you dont see you neighbour dying and ignore them. Because it doesn't matter if you say you are Christian and your heart is wrong, all after money.

Christians have denominations, ever heard of that word, when you meet a christian check the state of his heart The bible says to "Test all Spirits" "The berean Christians went through the bible to see if what they heard was true". I pray Nigeria can have Christians, maybe not this generation even though God has really helped us but the next where they don't have trauma of the past to easily hold on and grasp the testimonies and legacy of their parents and properly discipled to grow deep in knowing God. Amen

Don't think I forgot that you never replied on the Quran stance on insults, violence, or morality. But it doesnt really matter, let Christ and Christ alone be preached because nothing else can stand up to it.

GreatThings:
Okay one question, if I say some muslims are trying to kill christians and other moderate musliims support them, will I be right or wrong?

And If I say some of these "Acts of Violence in this Videos" Are people attempting to retaliate against the damage they have suffered from religious violence. Is that true?

I will not expect you to admit to any of my points, because you are not a Christian, and you are trying to win a debate

Please post the link here, I cant see it wherever you said it is. We see the Christian race as individual so people call out things easily. and disagree, there is no central policing doctrine. So please go ahead and post the full link with the authenticity here.

You have obviously never been to Sunday School before and are making assumptions. Or going off what someone told you. Sunday School is you take a scripture in the bible and go over it, we do not have hadiths. Just Scripture alone, I wrote it above.

GreatThings:
Lol okay, I cannot watch everything, because the video is broken up into bits but if you put the time stamp of the place you thought was extremism and advocating of violence and translate it because I dont understand conc, stringed together yoruba.

The man was clearly angry about BOKO HARAM, he said you are teaching them nonsense. Is he lying? Somebody is teaching them? And they are doing banditry upandan

And the presenter insulted him back in the part I watched.

The man is wrong of course in insulting, I will not give any excuses for this man, because as the new testament has stated the highest moral code known to man, we follow Christ.

But I will say this Christians love and peace is not weakness.

In summary, I still don't see your point of extremism, you are grasping at straws here.

GreatThings:
Oga, I will correct your terminology again, there is no Christian curriculum anywhere. If you are protestant you believe the five solas
Sola scriptura ("by Scripture alone"
Sola fide ("by faith alone"
Sola gratia ("by grace alone"
Solus Christus or Solo Christo ("Christ alone" or "through Christ alone"
Soli Deo gloria ("glory to God alone"

Anything apart from that read your bible, there are various church doctrines, sunday schools, as long as you believe in the basic, the holyspirit will take care of the rest.

Please post evidence of Christian extremist. You cannot just say it and go, evidence, evidence. Christians are usually the first people to counter extremists within the church. I will be suprised but life has nothing on fiction.

The last thread that I will admit that you are 100% right is the insults on Nairaland but Islam doesn't have the monopoly on that. I think religions in general are insulted, correct me if I am wrong. I don't take it to heart because christianity is a relationship with God, Jesus said they know not what they are doing. What does the Quran say about responding to insults?

GreatThings:
Except if I dont know how to use Nairaland, I am not seeing anything in your profile.

Why I mentioned they are prayer points if you read what I wrote is to point out to others that you are falsely equating prayer points to fatwa.

The scrap of paper that is there does not have a heading, is cut off at the important parts, I can only see "PRAY FOR" So I am making a comment based on that. I cannot see the whole prayer point, the only one that was complete, is the political force prayer. And I am considering other people will read the comments so I take every opportunity to explain. Just show the whole thing.

Why are you desperate to fight with people based on a piece of paper that is cut-off, has no heading, no one knows who wrote it. Why the desperation, who taught you that? Where did that come from? A piece of paper. In the world where we have courts, a piece of paper.