₦airaland Forum

richmond500:
I'm not a Muslim and looks like I'll have to swear before I comment but I can't overlook this shit u posted.

The thing is u guys(Both Muslims and Christians) are overwhelmingly foolish, all you do is fight for which religion should be supreme, u can't see urselves coexisting.
Is that what ur religion taught u? bunch on nonentities thinking like monkeys, I am sure Allah will see this ur comment and spit

Sorry, I feel your pain

May Allah make it easy for everyone that's truly fasting in this Holy month of Ramadan.

emmnprince:
Let’s allow this matter to rest.

wahala ro mi lori gaaan ni

No matter how you try to defend this man whose ideologies and statements indicted him, the fact still remains;

Federal govt indicted him or you and media?.

• his extremist religious views has landed him where he is, and shouldn't have been appointed into a sensitive position he is if not for sentiments.

Normally I would support and welcome his resignation. This is the standard protocol should there be accusations against any govt officials. But what I seen is media trials and attacks on on Muslims and Islam on social media. This is the reason some Muslims would take back seat.

• he's under the terrorist watchlist of UK. The reasons best known to you and concerned Nigerians.

I have no record of this. NL is my source of info and I didn't read anything like that.

• the ruthless killings of these terrorist groups under the banner of Islam is glaring. Except you want to remain a hypocrite!

Islam is free from all this. So why I'm I hypocrite?. When GWB invaded Iraq and killed millions of Muslims with support of Baptist Church and they said:

✓ "God sent George Bush to go to Iraq to give them evangelism."


✓ "Our God is better than their (Iraqi) God".


✓ "Their God is evil but our God is loving"


These are statements from evangelical Christians aired on mainstream media that caused outcries in the country suggesting it was RELIGIOUS war. So pastors represented your religion?. Just be truthful. But thank God those crazy evangelists have died (Jerry Falwell etc) and some are now old men and sick with stroke and cancer.

This is the recompense of their evil

Ayomivic:
That do not justify whom Patami Is. A pastor can bail the criminal on a point that God did not want the dead of a sinners but for him to repent.

The pastor had shown love to him but he did not Repent that is not the pastor fault. We won't say because pastor did that ,we should allow terrorist to continue to exist. We should let the justice prevails. what was his offence when he was arrested before he was bailed by pastor?

was he arrested for killing people, for terrorism or for another thing.? if he was arrested for terrorism , then the police that let him be bailed should be faulted because they know the gravity of his offence they should not allowed anybody to bail him no matter how much was promised to be given to them.

After Yusuf was bailed three times, did he Repents? No , that shows terrorists can never change and that means Patami can never change

see woroworo comment

Yeahmehn:
These people think we are foolish! They can't mention the name of the pastor cos they know Christians and Christian associations will not support him and will also call for the pastor's arrest.
No one is sowing the seed of discord but you. this isn't about religion it's about murderers and their supporters. The idiot pantami is one who supports such and so is the so called pastor that he's talking about.
Even claiming the press releases were all lies after the minister said he was a small boy and him been no get sense that's why? The person who made these utterances must think number 6 is an odd number

Oga better go and get ready to sight moon for your brodas and stop talking nonsense

"Dead BH is Muslim. Arrested BH is not. Dead man don't talk." NGMedia

We will expose you people las las

2. Christians and those who are not sincere with their faith don't have the mindset to physically kill or maim their fellow man it is not Jesus, their Master's, way and He never instructed them to do so, but the opposite is Islam and her ardent followers who are guided by the Qur'an to do so. This we have seen played out in the world. Except you don't want to kiss the truth. Mind you, the Qur'an and writings of Islamic scholars and leaders of Old has quotations to support their cause.

and you think I needed your sermons?. And these are what?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hPorlAAkcg


https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=1389036078130903&id=100010735713607&sfnsn=mo

You're still silent about the reckless killings perpetrated by these terror group under the banner of Islam in which some will shout “Allahu Akbar” before they spill blood through slaughtering or . . . This you have kept mute.

"Allah Akbar" is the easiest phytas anyone can say and you just said it too. Does it make you muslim?. No. So are those people too.



More comments on Pantami audio

emmnprince:
You say Isa Pantami past statements a propaganda! Even Pantami and those in the Presidency who are standing by him never denied it. They plead for forgiveness and mercy! I heard he has repented! Has he truly repented? You're here looking for proof from me. Issokay!

hypocrisy stinks. Do you speak Hausa?. If you don't, how do you confirm veracity of his statements?. And if he "repented" then why are you people still at his throat as if he snatched your wives?.

This is his audio


https://www.facebook.com/422973705297097/posts/638115210449611/?sfnsn=wa

Hausas who understood him commented below

In my previous comments I said they have their flaws and are not 100% correct! What they did wasn't correct and some of their prayer points are not properly said. They should be condemned for it! But I made you to see something clear from their statements:

no no no honey.... Their so called prayers were hate speeches against Muslims and Islam unprovoked. They started the attrocities and North wrote their own manifesto in 2010 response. See how long it took since 1994-2010 before North wrote theirs, that was posted on this platform few days ago?. It shows you people are the aggressors. You can't just say "that has to be condemned as well". This is rubbish

1. Their prayer points is not carried out in a physical manner in the form of sending people to kill or maim Muslims. They leave it to God to answer and God do as He pleases with their prayers.

Alabosi ni e. Did Isa Pantami's alleged statements also translate to physical violence?. Yet you all came out like roaches all over the internet asking for his neck. What exactly is the difference btw CAN and Pantami's statements?. None

Skepticus:
Jerry Gana.

If you know, you know!

you got it. They are hypocrites. They think we don't know about Jerry Gana

More comments

UnabashedIPOB:
It's obvious that you keep running from pillar to post and you're all over the place. Now you're denying the fact that you were comparing Evans with your Jihadist brethren. Seriously, your level of understanding, comprehension and reasoning are far below the level of any individual I have ever had an intelligent discourse with. On that very note, consider this my last communication with you. Adios!

as for Pantami case, majority of you only capitalized on christian media propaganda. I knew it. I have just watch Pantami's alleged "terror past". Na lie. You people are liars. It is clear that Isa Pantami was responding to massacre of Muslims in one of the Northern states. It was the same as angry Niger Delta.


This is Pantami in 2006's alleged statements in this audio

https://www.facebook.com/422973705297097/posts/638115210449611/?sfnsn=wa

UnabashedIPOB:
It's obvious that you keep running from pillar to post and you're all over the place. Now you're denying the fact that you were comparing Evans with your Jihadist brethren. Seriously, your level of understanding, comprehension and reasoning are far below the level of any individual I have ever had an intelligent discourse with. On that very note, consider this my last communication with you. Adios!

when you see superior argument you must bow out

GracieX3:
You finally realised that you are ignorant. Good

I gave you opportunity to express yourself but this is all you got?. You better talk now before you turn me off.

ISLAMIC affairs is not saying anything new. I know some of these things since 2007. I have been saying this since I became active on this platform since 2014. BH is not exclusively action of Muslims but foreign countries linked to christians in Nigeria. I wont say much.

Kiriyo are bunch of bastards.

emmnprince:
1. I don't need to read that manual that contains those prayer points before I know the kind of prayers being said. Like I said in my previous comment, there are some flaws which might be triggered by works of Islam which is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf. You can attest to it. Except you don't want to kiss the truth.

Alabosi ni e (hypocrite). For the fact that you find it hard to rebuke the manifesto despite not reading it, and you are very defensive by saying;


"there are some flaws which might be triggered by works of Islam which is visible to the blind and audible to the deaf".


Your statement above proves you have soft spot for them. So why do you think it is okay for you to blame some Muslims for having soft spot for Isa Pantami?. Nigeria will not move forward when we have your mindset. I told you their evil manifesto was written in 1994, and in there, they documented the reasons for their manifesto. One of their primary reasons was that "there are so many Muslims in Nigeria". It means they're problem is jealous of Islam. Show me proof that Islam was disturbing them in Nigeria pre-1994 that "triggered" their "prayer points"?.

2. What you tag "terror prayer points" isn't even terror in that it is only offered to Someone to act on their behalf. And the God the Christian pray to decide how to act unlike the Muslims (minus the sane ones), who form terror groups and utilize the unschooled to carryout their inhumane acts by killing and maiming ordinary and innocent people and destabilizing the peace of the land because they refuse to join their religion and movement.

I repeat, you are hypocrite. I will extract 3 points from their so called prayers and you tell me how these are prayers. They are:

✓ because Muhammad contracted HIV and Gonorrhea, that's why Muslims perform ablution to plea Against it.


✓ pray for death of King Fard of Saudi Arabia and his brother.


✓ pray that God should destroy them (muslims) little by little.


Question are:

what did prophet muhammad (peace be upon him) do to them to deserve such defamation of character?.


What did king Fard of Saudi Arabia do to NIGERIAN christians?.


What did muslims do to Christians in Nigeria to deserve such prayer of destruction?. And they claimed to be "peaceful"?


Obviously this was the beginning of hate speech. Abacha was in power and I wondered why he didn't jailed them. No wonder you are scared to read it.

3. Isa Pantami has shown from his unguided statements and from his past antecedents that he is one of those with such ideologies.

what exactly did he say or are you simply following propaganda?. Tell me exactly what he said with proof(s).

4. All human beings are entitled the right to life. Once premium is placed on the lives of people and their right respected, those murderous ideologies literally executed in the name of a god won't be in the first place in our day.

Did he kill anyone?. If answer is no, how exactly allegation you levied against him different from CAN that called for destruction of Muslims and death to King Fard of Saudi Arabia?. Yet the same Christians condemned Iran for saying "death to Israel".

5. How I wish religion can be separated from the state but values that doesn't violate the right of others and decency is upheld.

Tell this to your pastors. Many companies and hospitals in Nigeria are saturated with Crosses and churches and christian logos.

Nigeria is said to be a "secular country" but governor Wike declared "River state a Christian state" and no outcry but he got support from top pastors like Adeboye

teemy:
Evil men doing evil deeds and they come from all sides of the divide.

However, there is no form of New Testament for Islam. However, I learnt that pre-persecution, Mohammed was a peaceful man and the Quoran had mood of peace at the earlier chapters. It is a matter of learning how to balance all information from these holy books and making a conscious decision to live at peace with one's neighbours knowing we are all humans. Depending on each person's decision, he/she would always find the words of scripture to support one's way of life.

christians in Nigeria need iron fist. Growing up as Muslims, we didn't see religion. We saw humanity as we lived together NOT KNOWING that Christians were actively working against us. We taught we were one family. We didn't know they were gathering intelligence and profiling muslims those days. They studied us very well. We now grew up to see what they have done to us.

One clear example that proved that Christianity and christians are not friendly to Muslims in Nigeria especially in Yorubaland was that they would not allow Muslims to get western educated unless they changed their names from Rahman to Ramon. Daud to David. Muhammad to Mo. Sulaimon to Solomon. Musa to Moses etc. They denied our muslim parents education. But our parents wanted to keep their religion hence they rejected western education if that should be the case but those muslims that attended western school those days changed their names and religion to Christianity.

As for my period, I remembered in my primary school days during morning devotion, our teachers planted hatred of Islam and Muhammad (SAW) in our heart. They would tell us that Muhammad doesn't love little children like us that's why he didn't bring us food. But Jesus gives us food every morning.

What they did to us was they asked us to pray morning devotion in Muhammad's name (ofcourse Muslims don't pray in the name of muhammad). So we prayed in the name of muhammad with our eyes opened and we didn't see food on our desks after prayers for some minutes. Teachers and principal would tell us that "you see, Muhammad doesn't love children so he didn't bring food since we have been praying".

So now, let's pray in the name of Jesus by closing your eyes and we did. Before we opened ours eyes they quickly and silently placed food on our desks. By the time we opened our eyes we saw food on our desks and all the teachers and principal and students shouted "Haàaaaaalelluyah thank you Jesus". What they didn't realize was that we were not all fools especially me.

Nigerian Christians have all types of tricks in the book. They were taught by slave masters these tricks and logistics till today.. if this is not clear to you, let me give your another fact. Nigerian christians under the umbrella of CAN were funded for 10yr btw 1990/91-2000 to end Islam in Nigeria. This is a fact and well documented. In 1994, CAN had profound scheme at Ebute Meta on how to bury Islam in Nigeria and the documents were printed in Ibadan in 1994. In their documents they detailed their plans how to convert Muslims to christianity and make NIGERIA majority Christian country, and called for death of Muslims in Nigeria and around the world. They called for death of King Fard of Saudi Arabia and his brother then. But here, Seun said Christianity is peaceful. Please go and read their 1994 manifesto for proof. It is hidden in RCCG library. I have attached extracted small portion to this post.

Please enlarge to see it before

GracieX3:
Really?

How is that my business? Wouldnt Pantami have my personal details as someone who oversees the NIN? I want no relationship with a terrorist sympathiser.

It is also your business as a Nigerian. Even more as a muslim. But you are such a fanatic that you would employ deceit and denial just to avoid admitting that both MURIC and Pantami are wrong.



There is no hatred. We know your tactics. When your religion is questioned, you are quick to shout islamophobia. It wont work.

Fashola was one of the best governors of Lagos and he is a muslim.

as much as I don't want to engage you on Pantami issue, I changed my mind just now that I got some info. Can you tell me your position on what Pantami said or you are just reacting to social media propaganda?

teemy:
Is there any justification for the destruction of Jericho apart from that they are all 'sinners'. Jesus would say 'They will put you out of the synagogues: yea, the hour cometh, that whosoever killeth you, will think that he doth a service to God'. The Israelites did it when they had the upper hand. It is simply just a man being wicked to his fellow man. That Christianity started about 2000 years ago does not negate the history up till the time of Adam and so every act of goodness or evil our progenitors performed is a part of our history. We learn we move.

Are all Nigerians scammers? NO.
However, that is not the story nor the way a foreigner will view you if you mention your country anywhere for the first time. It was borne out of society accepting scammers and allowing them to thrive. The many that are not scammers would, unfortunately, have to share in the blame of those that scam others for a living. In the same way, that part of Nigerian history is a part of us and we have to live with it.

At the moment, Islamist terrorism is the most shouted in the news but once upon a time Christianity had its own show of shame to the global world. Today, we are better for it. With time, Islam will get the picture changed and that would come mostly from Muslims themselves. Trying however to paint every Muslim as evil without committing any crime is the wrong way to go. The ones that will take the step of changing the story have to be encouraged and not have to bear a name they are not without having their voice heard. I encourage you to watch the movie 'My name is Khan'. You will enjoy and gain from it.

Wishing you well - Teemy

as far as I am concerned Christianity did not charge is core beliefs from ancient time. It only changed clothing. New Testament is simply change in God's words from old testament to make their religion look peaceful. Christian ancient wars are no different from their invasion of Muslim countries and killing muslims especially in iraq. Christianity invaded iraq for absolutely no reason. They only changed clothing. Nothing else.

Seun:
I also believe that Islam can grow and mature, but it will not be as easy as it was for Christianity because of one crucial difference between Christianity and Islam: the founders and first believers of Christianity were pacifists, but the founders and first believers of Islam were warriors. This makes It easy to use the Bible to convince people to be peaceful, but it’s more difficult
to use the Quran and Hadith to convince a Muslim to be peaceful. More difficult, but absolutely necessary.

you lied sir. Christianity hasn't changed its core agenda. It only changed clothing from abaya warrior to men in black terrorists

^^^

Like I knew you are clown. You would never understand my point unless I analyze for you how CHRISTIANITY destroyed NIGERIA economy. I already did analysis for a guy few days ago and he shut the hell up. But you, I don't think I have your time.

You are crying over NIN but you forgot too quick when Jonathan administration wanted to share NIGERIAN citizens data with israel?. Do you have idea what that means?. It means Israel can target and kill any NIGERIAN citizens anywhere in the world ii deems fit. But there was no outcry from you then.

You are a clown.

emmnprince:
I’m not saying such prayer points you referenced (though I haven't read it) are 100% correct. They have their flaws too. And their prayer points might have been triggered by the way core Muslims (especially their religious/traditional leaders) are bent on coercing people, they referred to as infidels/disbelievers, into their religion, even going as far as killing them as the Qur’an and other ideologies from their past religious leaders support it. History attest to this fact!

Christians don't have that mindset of physically killing their enemies unlike Muslims. When I say Muslims I mean the core Muslims (those grounded in Qur'an and the believes of the their religious leaders of Old). Emp.iree can attest to this truth.

Isa Ibrahim Pantami who is well schooled plus his ideologies that is now indicting him shouldn't have been placed in sensitive office he is presently occupying.

you admitted you have not read the prayers points but you are already defended it.. See how hypocritical you are by judging muslims and defending your terror!sm without reading your terror manual. See your hypocrisy?. From your write shows clearly that Islam is your problem not Isa Pantami. You said the problem are the core muslims. That's, those who know or are grounded in Quran. I got you.. This is exactly why I have been saying that attack on Isa Pantami was tip of iceberg.

Those who wrote Christian 69 prayer points are well grounded in biblical knowledge. They are core christians. Church goers or nominal christians who wanted peace would not write such hate filled manifesto. So since you haven't read your terror prayer points it is pointless speaking further with you.

GracieX3:
Your business as a MURIC spokesman.


MURIC defenfed Pantami

if he defends him how's that your business?.

Let me tell you seen, girl.. You don't make sense. Stop your irrational hatred and embrace love and peace.

Christianity has done lots of damages to the country than anything else. #Fact

UnabashedIPOB:
UNITY? Please, go and find the definition before you start talking NONSENSE. What f**king UNITY? You folks are the ones that always bring religion when ever anyone criticizes the atrocities of the FULANIS. I talked about the killings by the FULANI TERRORISTS and then you brought in Evans as a FALSE EQUIVALENCE. Do you have any reasoning at all? I don't think you do. Go on with your ISLAM. The same way FULANI made SLAVES out of your forefathers in ILORIN, is the same way you and your generation would become their SLAVES irrespective of you being a MUSLIM. Be A SLAVE because that's all you can be...stay that way!

aren't entire Nigerians SLAVES to the British?. You want your Biafra nation but you go to britain, israel, US for recognition.

Let's assume they help you like they did in the 60/70s, there is no free lunch in freeport. They will still enslave you directly or indirectly.

To quickly clear your confusion about Evans, I was not equating him with fulanis herdsmen. You misunderstood but I let you swim in your confusion. I was telling you that pathetic state of the country today is as result of all major tribes in the country. I was pointing out that all tribes contributed negatively to the country contrary to your view that fulanis are your problem.

And some days ago I told you what lawyer Falana said. I noticed you shun that. Falana said that this whole hullabaloo concerning fulanis killings is not all true. He said all three major tribes are part of the banditry, kidnappings and killings. He said fulanis are only 30%. There have been Yorùbá and igbo bandits and kidnappers in the midst.

Debunk him

Ytea:
His user name is Booboo the fool, but I know he's no fool. That man is a ticking time bomb.

U understood

UnabashedIPOB:
Sure! I know your kind. You're too ashamed to admit that you're a disgrace to your TRIBE. Just because you're a MUSLIM is no reason to sell out your tribe. You're what you are before your RELIGION. If I should guess, you're a YOURUBA MUSLIM probably from ILORIN or OSOGBO area.

there is nothing wrong being from a particular tribe. But the way you people that are agitating for rubbishes are going about it signifies bigotry and hatred for a particular tribe. This is like reverting to the period of ignorance which Islam came to eradicate but you guys are bringing back ignorance.

There is UNITY in diversity.

UnabashedIPOB:
This your response tells me a whole lot about you. It shows me that you are not a principled or a person of character. You're just like the wind and you go whichever way the wind blows. Let me remind you that if you believe in NOTHING you will FALL FOR ANYTHING! To hide your ethnic identity after all your defense of the indefensible shows me that you're away that you're wrong and ashamed to admit the idiocy of your behavior. And that's not speaking a lot about anyone. BUH-BYE!

I am citizen of the world. I do not owe allegiance to any tribe or ethnicity in Nigeria. https://www.facebook.com/channelsforum/videos/175388267771002/

UnabashedIPOB:
Are you too ashamed to say what part of the ZOO you're from?

sorry bro.

This is not necessary

greencard:
clap for your self

It's still don't change the fact that you should be careful so that religion shouldn't kill the humanity in you.

Don't let hate for Christianity consume you, Christianity is not the opposite of Islam..

Serve God with a good conscience and respect humanity

you have nothing to say jare... You don't know anything. It seems you are very unaware of issues. I said it before and will say it again, CHRISTIANITY DESTROYED NIGERIA ECONOMY. Quote me anywhere.

UnabashedIPOB:
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I am not in support of security agencies not carrying out their responsibilities especially security issue. Wait until Buhari regime is over you get to notice no.more fulani terrorists again. This means the elites who use them are on a mission. I don't have to prove to you how I detest govt for not doing enough about security.

Question is, if you have issue of insecurity in your region, why aren't your governors n doing something about it?. Buhari has ordered several times(at least that I read) that security apparatus should deal with bandits, terrorists and kidnappers. The very same thing obj said in 1999. What more do you want him to do?. What are state and local govts doing about insecurity in their respective region?.

You have admitted in the past that your igbo governors are clowns. What more do you want?. Your problem is you are a bigot. You have irrational hatred for the Fulani. This is bigotry and hate speech. I can never hate igbo for being igbo.

So if NIGERIA is Zoo, you'd still buried in the zoo country, right?. I know because I learned that no matter where igbo people live around the world, if they die there their remains are brought back home to the ZOO . I know this because I had shipping company where I used to ship packages.

Owner was a nice and gently igbo man. When he passed away in New York his body was taken to the ZOO. His employee told me that igbo can never be buried abroad.

So if truly this is your tradition as igbo man, then if you like, live in the UK, EU, US or whenever you want. Your body will still be taken to the ZOO for burial.

UnabashedIPOB:
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Is nigeria is zoo, your parents were born there right?. And you were most likely born there too. That means your are zoo as well. I have no alliance with fulanis and I hate no one. My impression all along was too correct your stance and bigotry. You portrayed fulanis as the main problems of Nigeria. Think down deep your heart, are fulanis the only presidents of the country since the independence?.

Besides, I provided some details how CHRISTIANITY messed up Nigeria economy, mainly Yorùbá and igbo christians but you stylishly ignore most part. Debts they incurred is what you grew up to see that made NIGERIA a zoo. Now you want Buhari to fix everything overnight, likely you serious?

UnabashedIPOB:
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Oh you upset... It is difficult to quote you the way you pay your submission. Hence I screenshot.

Now, speaking about this. If you have smithery country is birth, family background or gemology kindly let us know. If you are not Nigerian by birth then you have been wasting my time.

Speaking about Muslim countries worse as years go by, who invaded and occupied them all these years?. It is Judeo-christian zionist-terrorist countries. This is obvious.

greencard:
so this is what u have to say in defence of an extremist ?

I use to think you are intelligent

Don't let religion kill the humanity in you

have you ever read CAN terror 1994 manifesto how they threatened Muslims in Nigeria?. Don't talk to me about humanity when you have none.

We would have given our fair opinion if you people have restricted your criticisms to Isa Pantami instead of tagging every muslim in here "jihad!st, extremist, terror!st" etc.. How do you want Muslims to help combat Pantami when you guys have taken it upon yourselves to attack Islam and muslims?. This means that Isa Pantami was not your target. He was just tip of iceberg. Therefore, it is solely up to NIGERIAN govt and security agency to determine Isa Pantami's future. Not any damn nairalanders..

You all can yell and scream all you want it will not change anything with govt. Next time you all must separate politics send religion. The moment you attack religion and it's followers, you lose.

So, deal with it

Pele my dear

GracieX3:


Why are you writing rubbish? Really?

Who told you that I'm hating people? So, it is wrong to be alarmed by a govt official supporting terrorism?

What is my business with a boy that won some prize from an islamic competition?

Good. What's my business with Isa Pantami?