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emekaRaj:
No No..... Empiree....... He is young, not learned, no source, copied. Whatever, is not a justification for this nonsense, You need to condemn this kind of thing strongly, wat is their to correct. U contact dis guy direct and u didn't condemn wat his doing.

read text message I sent to them privately. That's just part of the message not even the whole. I don't wanna post the whole thing. I sent them message since Wednesday before we even started this back to back argument. I actually condemned him there in private msg but there is no point doing that here since they do just gonna be arguing one another back and forth.

I have done same thing with another similar group few months ago but I was met with hatred and name calling and got blocked. So this time I used another method. Still these brothers here condemned and the guy on fb did not reply me till this moment. Message I sent him on FB's private was lengthy. I only gave the group excuses here but I didn't give them excuse in private message at all. That's why I said to these brothers here to contact them directly instead of back talk here but they never did.

I did not support their use of the phrases. I never for once said I supported that. I only gave them excuses here because there is no difference btw both sides when it comes to intolerance. They will not listen to each other if they use their approach to settle differences. It never solved anything. As you can see they still don't achieve anything.. However if my approach was not satisfactory, then, I apologise. I don't want to be on any side. But unfortunately I'm always misunderstood.

You have no idea what the group also said to me when I see them post trash. They call me names and act exactly like these brothers do. That's why I try to set the balance but unfortunately it seems this doesn't work either. My apology.

Also I'm not student of sheikh niyas. It actually had nothing to do with him. The tone of the write up appears to be written by someone and the guy copied and pasted it on his page. And my point regarding the sheikh himself is, they should not blame him since he can not defend himself. He's not here. I don't believe this statement of mine was out of line but they want me to blame a dead man or excommunicate him. I'm sorry, I can't do that because I don't know all the fact base on what someone wrote.

When their sheikh made comment on YouTube I did the same by not condemning him until I get the fact. This brother can testify to that.

Their sheikh said on national TV he drinks beer and he's proud of it. This coming out of respected sheikh was shocking but Abdelkabir condemned him right away without getting facts together but I did not. I tried to give sheikh excuses. That's exactly what I want them to understand first by reaching out to the guy on fb but they didn't do that.

Again, I apologise if my approach doesn't work

FriendNG:
You can only fool yourself. How are his words now become the holy Quran or Hadith? Who is he? Mr nobody from nowhere. Quran is word of Allah & those shirk statement are word of who? 1 big fool.

And who is the guy in question that will make shirk statement and we will be waiting 4 some useless explanation. And you're here busy ranting about benefit of doubts. You that gave him benefit of doubts what's the result? Defense on the shirk statement and you're satisfied with it.


("I divorce you 3 times" but that's not my intention " I mean you should continue being my wife" ) Inyass is the controller of heaven. No I don't mean such contact me for further details. Well I understand English and I requires no prince Charles for explanation. The sentence have no other alternative meaning.


Regarding the screenshot you just posted, you're hypocritical to your ownself. You believe in the explanation he gave and you're still asking him to stop posting what he cannot defend. So which is which. You're not here and you're not here. Now do you see your hypocrisy?

You said he has good intentions. Where are the good intentions? Good intentions is when you stand with oneness and supremacy of God. God intention is when you encourage people to follow Muhammad peace be upon him not Inyass. Good intentions is when you teach people to pray directly to Allah without following inyas office. These are good intentions and not telling us how Inyass controls heaven.

you don't read. You have problems

FriendNG:
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Find your way.

Your case is like ignorant sahabi, ‘Adiyy ibn Hatim (may Allaah be pleased with him), when al-Baqarah 2:187 was revealed, about night of Ramadan (when to stop eating sahoor), he understood the ayah literally. The ayah reads:


"...So now, have relations with them and seek that which Allah has decreed for you. And eat and drink until the white thread distinct to you from the black thread."



He(sahabi) took a black rope and a white rope and put them beneath his pillow, and he started to look at them during the night, but he could not see any distinction between them until next morning he went to the Messenger of Allah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) and told him about that. He said, ‘Rather that is the blackness of the night and the whiteness of the day.’”

If you truly understand english, why dont you take the clear verse of Quran literally as printed?

So if not for hadith explaining the verse, I am sure that you being literalist, would have done exactly what sahabi did by taking white and black threads and be looking at them like dummy all day long. So therefore, this is telling you that there exist metaphorical and figurative expressions. My question is since you consider the guy mushrik for his statement, and you didnt follow sunnah of giving benefits of the doubt to ask him to clear the air, why not take this ayah literally as well, hun?

Below is part of the message i sent him on Wednesday 7, 2018 at 7:30AM

FriendNG:
[s]This is no act of miscontrueing. This is simple English. I cannot free you if the explanation to you is ok. If what he said is true but we are only miscontrueing it then I cannot free you. Because you initially try to defend it giving the shirk statement benefit of doubts.




Ofcourse he is deceiving you if that explanation is justification to what he wrote.




No need of contacting him because that's waste of time because a useless explanation that you posted is what he will say again. On my own side I will accept nothing less than total retraction of the initial post and not explanation. I do not require holy spirit or Queen Elizabeth to explain those points about inyass.




Naturally I don't comment or send messages to anonymous people on Facebook. You're his mouthpiece since you're defending and being satisfied with such explanations.



You ask him to stop posting what he cannot defend? Really? And he defend the samething he posted and you become satisfied with the explanation. You live abroad & u have communicated in English with the whites for decade(s) yet you require this guy to explain the meaning of who control the heaven for u. [/s]

Okay, i have had enough of you. You have a good day. You confirmed what Sheikh Adam said. Bye

FriendNG:
Nothing was established. Like I said they will only deceive you but not me. Just like saying to your wife that I divorce you and that's not the intent of the world. You're calling someone the controller of heaven and you're telling me that's not the meaning. Useless talk. Why will you say such stupid things at first if that's not the meaning.

This is clear shirk and no magical explanation will change it. Advice your fellow friend to withdraw such nonsense he wrote as a Muslim and stop defending and claiming you're satisfied with that trash explanations.

I am not contacting him like I told you. I am intelligent enough to understand English and this is No Quran or Hadith that requires a scholar to explain but a stupid writing by someone.

talk to him or leave me alone. If you are not satisfied with his explanation then free me. If his explanation still mean the same thing I would have shuned him and I don't condone anyone to use such phrases as it could be easily misconstrued.

I know what I believe. I am adult and I don't understand how they will "deceive" me.


Sometimes I wonder about Sunnah you guys claim to follow because part of the Sunnah is that in this situation like this, you simply need to contact him instead of condemnation from far. How do you get problem solved like that?.


So contact him or leave me alone. I'm not Tijjaniya member. Sunnah demands that we give excuses, perhaps, up to 10 times even if we are not comfortable with opposing views. I don't see that in you.

So free me, please if you aren't comfortable. And remember, those guys do exactly what you do too. So you are all extreme people. If I see something from them that got worried, I always contact them to clear the air. Whether I am comfortable with them or not.

And you have absolutely no idea what I sent him privately yesterday. I told him to stop posting what he can't defend. So what's my own now?

Please people,

The issue of reciting or not reciting Quran on the dead is not halal or Haram. Becareful when you Haram something that Allah and His messanger did not Haram.

Reciting Quran on the dead is a matter of iktilaf on the side of Rahma of Allah. Both sources of Islam are silent on it. Everyday, we actually recite Quran after the mention of Prophets and messangers, sohaba and dead scholars when we say "rodiyaAllah anihu" or "Rohumohu'Lahu". These are Quranic phrases.

Sheik bin Baz's opinion was in accordance with his school of Law. So leave your dead in the grave and not offer prayers for them just because in your imaginary world, prayers don't reach the dead.

If you can perform Hajj, zakat, Ramadan on behalf of the dead and they reach them, how dare someone says recitation of Quran can't reach them?. Quran is dua

Why do you say "rodiyaAllah anihu" after mention of sohaba?. Isn't rodiyaAllah anihu a Dua offered by Allah onto the Sahaba?.

Think people think.

FriendNG:
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Stop posting story for me just defend clear act of shirk.

Take it or leave it. It is established that, that is not the intended meaning. So if you still have problem with it, I urge you to contact them directly bcus I won't allow you to put me in defensive mode against sheik niyas(ra).

He was long gone and none of his contemporaries excommunicated him. Therefore, it is too late for you to label him what he was not.

I have understood intended meaning of what is written. If you are not satisfied, kindly reach out to them on your own. I have done my part to contact them and I'm done.

Good day

FriendNG:
Useless and Baseless writing up there. So now what he write is correct that Inyas is god that he control the heaven. That we need him to decide and explain to us he doesn't mean such. Is just that we don't understand English.


Emp.iree continue to decieve and fool yourself.

have a good day sir.



Conclusion

FriendNG:
@Empiree is he a Nairalander that he screenshot the thread or you send him the link? Secondly is he dissociating himself from the early post which in summary means inyas is god or he is offering explanation on how what he said is correct?

I sent him link to read himself. He doesn't have to be NL member to screenshot this thread. And you can always ask him on his page if you are not clear from their perspective of "he controlled the universe". I understand now but you don't have to agree with him if you don't want to. It is not by force.

Husni Mubarak once said

"affairs of the world is in my hands".

What do you say about this?.

Obviously it is metaphorical terms he used. "World" in his context refers to his country, Eygpt. Hands in his context are not physical hands but his sovereignty. His audience understood very well what he was saying. Therefore, in no way this poem could be referring to sheikh being god. Never.

Evidence of this can be seen in his other poems on tawheed, salat, humility or morality etc. That he is the "controller of the universe" refers to the the large congregation, large mureed, or his acceptance by many including Saudis and even Saudi king Faisal back then made trip to his Kaolaq in Senegal to visit him. And the king said "Prophet Muhammad's physical body may be in Medina but his Divine presence is here in Kaolaq" etc This he meant he controlled the universe in his time. Could never be referring to universal world of heavens and Earth

I understood this way after the guy gave some explanation. Sheikh niyas was not controller of the world nor was he god. I can only advice them to decode their textbooks. That's all.


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AbdelKabir:
So now that he has brought his so called references(I've read it actually), do you now believe niasse is the controller of this universe?

Lol, you said you read but you still do not understand what it is written there?. He actually underlined examples. Maybe you need to re-read again.

See, it is a matter of if you accept the sheikh as your Alfa. The same can be said of Sheikh Adam(ra). When he was alive no one dare challenged his level of knowledge. When Sheikh Niyas(ra) was around he was highly regarded as the best of awliya in his time. This is what the guy made reference to concerning the ayah. I knew Sheikh could never meant he controlled the universe. Therefore, bro Ladunal was right when he said you should not take the text literally.

I knew Sheikh could never ever meant he was coequal with creator bcus if you read his other poems on obligatory salat, tawheed, morality or humility and this , you would know he didnt mean what you think. This is why i said you should contact learned Tijjaniya folks directly for clarification. Your problem is you take the wordings face value for what it is. I still remember the one you posted in the other thread a year ago. I have that decoded as well in my email but i decided not to share it. I will when i feel like.

Dreydoe:
Salam Alaykum sir, I respect your posts alot on NL but truth be said this your post na falling hand.

The guy who posted that clearly said Kafir statements and should be rebuked.

You are trying to defend him and you are really doing a bad job accomplishing that aim.
.. doesnt correlate atall

FriendNG:
@Empiree so initial you did not read the post in those screenshot but you're busy arguing. You're after attacking me as a person rather and not concentrating on the post. Well I have wasted my time.

The guy has replied on their fb page. He screenshot this thread. I guess he decided not to reply me privately.

emekaRaj:
@ empir.ee have u read this post

Yes, i read and I "shared" it back then. Lanrexlan probably forgot this thread. He's currently yearning for spiritual growth

AbdelKabir:
One will ask why is it that the extremism found with tijaniyyahs is more than the extremism you can see with other Sufi orders, its not farfetched that is what their leaders actually preached and you can see that apparently, so let's not try to shy away from the truth...

I won't be surprised if I finally find out what you tried to do or what said is either mix of haq and batil. Same you did over a year ago and I later checked out. Turned out of be 40% true. The rest is false or inaccurate.

Remember the one you and others posted about him, about 70, 000 thousand pockets?. And each pocket has thousands of pocket and thousands of sub pockets with which the sheikh would secure paradise for Muslims who believe in him?.

I searched everywhere but couldn't find anything until I asked ikupakuti who said such thing could not be found in his book. Too many fabricated stuff about him. That's why I refrained from making final say. And you copied that article back then from website of Arab man. I remembered.

I'm still doing findings on this but I found nothing yet. And your last post up there shows the text attributed to the sheikh is even out of context. It is difficult to piece together.

And i have also told you that i am not their member. Why are you asking me to defend it? When you started you called mureed of tijaniyya which i am not. And i have told you that you better off asking tijjaniya people. So how do i defend "falsehood"?.

The only statement i saw there that i believed was in harmony with the hadith, i pointed it out but you disagreed. We dont always have to agree actually. You are better meet one of their confirmed shuyukh on one on one dialogue about it. Thats much better. You cant get anything online. They only have roaches online who are not ready to tell you anything and they are young dudes.

They shut me off too anytime i said something they dont like. That's why i dont take tylenol over them. But that doesnt mean i have to hate them or anything.

^^

run >>>> You used social media audio to condemn sheikh that you dont know who left the earth over 4 decades ago, that you are not 100% sure it is his voice. This not sunnah way man They did the same to Sheikh Adam(ra) too a while back. Man brought out Sheikh's book and extracted statements and he said "people, see what sheikh Adam wrote in his book". I watched this. This is not audio but i dont remember title of the lecture. Sheikh Isa Akindele had to stylishly took microphone from him.

I am not here to defend Sheikh Niyas but i can respect him base on limited infos i know about him. And that audio could be family member as well. There is another man who looks just like him

AbdelKabir:
What are you saying? I'm talking about niasse himself with what he said...

I'm telling u, give us the excuse you want to give him..

Isnt the video you are referring to?. I have addressed that in my last post. Read again, pls.

AbdelKabir:
What excuse is there to give when the words are as clear as daylight, he has simple called himself Allaah, he even said he was the one that through his spit, ya'qoob eyes got fine..

OK, let's assume you want to give excuse, give us an excuse for him for that statement

How about you give him excuses?. How about if you reach out to him directly?. This is sunnah bro. It doesnt matter how clear the statements are. He is not here to defend himself. You should know he copied those things and he most likely didnt review before posting which means it is not about the guy after all. But if you are talking about the audio, i have told you that i can not verify that. I can not verify the speaker. But if you want to rebuke the sheikh as you did in the past, i can not do that bcus i dont know him neither you. And none of those shuyukh who lived in his time takfired him. So I am free from guilty bcus i am not tijjaniya member to have to defend anyone. I only take out what is good from them.

But let's be clear, no human should claim divinity for themselves etc. This is what "sheikh" Jabaru did in the 80s and all ulama in nigeria from different manhaj collectively made takfir of him bcus he uttered open statement of kufr worst than this. But these same ulama knew sheikh Niyas(ra) then but they didnt have problems with him. Rather they considered him thier alfa. It is too late now for you or anyone who were not even born or knew a thing a bout him to criticize him. Finally, Allah Himself dealt with "Sheikh" Jabaru by making all the things he worked for in his entire life disappeared right before his face and he lived longer like non living thing to suffer the pain until his death. So you can't really fight for Allah. Thats that. I lived in era of sheikh Jabaru. A one hell south western crazy muslim alaka by Allah himself.

FriendNG:
@Em.piree so initial you did not read the post in those screenshot but you're busy arguing. You're after attacking me as a person rather and not concentrating on the post. Well I have wasted my time.

You are partially right. I did read few lines cus i hate reading such italics and stuff. Thats why i went straight to his page. And i made my initial comment base on your comment bcus i know you very well. You are not a novice here now, abi?

Went to his page again. The only thing i can honestly say before i get clarification from him is that the short article was translated by google or he clicked on "translate" from the website. It is not properly worded at all in my opinion. I can barely understand a thing from it. So i say again, please give excuse to your brother. I am reading it again and it doesn't sound like something written by human but through google translate. But then, if that is the case, he is still at fault for posting it without proper review.

Why did i say this?. If you read over again, you will see inconsistencies suggesting it is google translate. Let's wait

FriendNG:
It will only be OK if he clearly dissociate himself from it and not try to offer some magical explanation about how what he says is true.

Yes, he should. I agree.

I cannot remember such. Where and when?

Lol over a year ago on your old moniker

Making takfr where? In summary he said Tijjani is god. Don't behave like the hypocrites. Don't you understand English language? Is what was posted written in Hausa?

Oh wait oo. I thought you were joking or made this up. I didnt read this in the statement. Let me go back up and read again. Maybe i missed it. But dont put words in his mouth. He is not registered NL. Thats why i said you should talk to him first.

It's the case of six (6) and half a dozen.

and you said you dont remember?

I am still waiting for his reply. Dont overhype anything yet. Just wait. But if he doesnt, i will be forced to leave comment on his page. I dont usually do that.

FriendNG:
I cannot remember talking about the sect he is. From what he write it means sheik Tijjani is god according to him. What stop you from correcting him? And you can later post it here that the guy has realized his mistakes?

So now you asked me what's stopping me? If you read up there, I already did. I'm only waiting for his reply. Even if he replied you will never be satisfied. Remember something like this happened before and I contacted them on FB and posted their answer but you still critisized because of ideology differences. It doesn't matter which sect he belongs. You should simply confront him as muslim. It is your duty too. But what you did by making takfr is what I'm trying to caution you about. I have learned from Alhusunnah people that we not supposed to do that. I have also learned that from sheikh Adam's lecture not to do that to muslim. I can assure you the guy is not calling Sheikh Tijjani god. I'm sure he will deny that unless he's high on Igbo. I know that for real. Let's hope he replies. I don't talk to him often. He's not my friend. I only read his posts randomly

FriendNG:
Totally not the same. Ain't contacting him for anything he declared Tijjani as god and it remains so until he dissociate himself totally from it.

see, this is the problem we are facing as Muslims. This is why I said what I said. it means you are concerned about sect the guy associated with not the essence to correct his mistakes. This isn't right



**MODIFIED**

And you said totally not the same. Don't we have Muslims today who say "if you make Dua or dhikr you see nothing but Allah". This makes them kufar?

Statement like that is very common. Hadith says that too.

AbdelKabir:
La hawla wa la quwwata illa billaah, he claims his order is the order of Allaah and all the kings of the worlds are his subjects and you say it goes in harmony with the hadeeth?? His statement shows he sees himself a partner to Allaah, while the hadeeth establishes that the waliy is a servant while Allaah is the lord, but niasse sees himself as a partner, where is the harmony?

lol, bro. Honestly I have already typed reply but I decided to erase it knowing that we will drag this forever. In no way will I allow you to put me in defensive mode. If you are sincere enough you would have tried to make excuses by interpreting his said phrases. We know there are ambiguous statements like this in QUR'AN and Hadith but you try to interpret them. But when it comes to someone who doesn't suits you, you take the word literally to whip the sheikh with koboko This isn't fair bro. I have no problem with that statement being in harmony with the hadith. I'm just gonna leave this here. Don't you interpret verses of Quran and hadith if you think the literal meaning is off?

You can't confirm if it is the voice of niasse, oga this poem is very very popular amongst them, in fact it has different versions that are slightly different to what niasse composed and recited himself.

thank God you freed me you said "among them". That's them not me. So it just make sense to ask "them". I only defend their practices that are clear from the kitab and sunnah like dhikr and Dua. I can defend that to the Moon and back. I don't like to get into their technical terms because I don't belong to any tariqa. I will advise you to watch and listen to sheikh Muhammad Mustafa Ashile (ra). Many things you and I discussed he already talked about. He explained many things but you have option to not "buy" due to ideology differences. But deep inside of you you will realize he talked sense. But I don't agree with him 100%

It is same thing like solatih fatih being greater than Quran etc they break it down long ago. Problem they have is that they should have written footnotes explaining many things. Unfortunately many of their learned schoolers are gone. Few remains.

Pls show me where I made mass declaration on tijaniyyah people on that thread or may Allaah cut the tongue of the liars...

Not you. I simply made general statement. Not you in particular.

How I wish ikupakuti is here. The brother is Tijjaniya or very close to them. He's learned. He knows these things and their meanings. He is the one who decoded said transcript abdelkabir posted over a year ago and I still have it in my email. It makes sense but it is not binding on anyone to accept.

I will try and research on this one too but you should not make takfir of the guy until you talk to him first and see his reaction. Otherwise, he may call you "wahabbi" and your intention to correct him may not be achieved. Some of them think that anymore who critisizes them is salafi/wahabbi.

You guys have no idea that I actually had sermons with one of them 2yrs ago who used to post nonsense. He called me "WAHABBI" and blocked me just because I advised him to either stop posting what he can't defend and go back and learn basics. He has been taking my advice until the last one when he said something out of line.

This happened on fb but I don't comment on people's posts on FB or i rarely post. I only send private messages to them. Then this guy blocked me after calling me "wahabbi"

Same thing I do to this one too. I try to get them to moderate their views because they can not defend what they post. They will only tell you that you are not in the same level with their sheikh. So I said this is not a good answer. That's how I know they are not learned except few.

AbdelKabir:
Oga, he has source which is Ibrahim niasse himself! Here is poem Ibrahim niasse composed and recited himself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yY1Zgw7l4uo


Although everything about that poem scream kufr, I just want to point out where he indicated that he has control of the creations which is exactly what that fool has affirmed


At the 4:21 mins he said:

فأمري بأمر الله إن قلتُ كن يكن وكل ملوك العالمين رعيتي

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects


In the 7:55mins he said

أوعدني ألا يعذب مسلما رآني حقيقا أو رأى بحقيقتي

He(Allaah) has promised me not to punish any Muslim that see me in reality or acknowledges my essence


In the 8:33 min he said

لأني سفير الكائنات وإنني أصرف شأن الكون في أي لحظة

Because I am the ambassador of what exist and verily I control the affairs of the universe at any moment[this is a source for that guy, so don't reprimand him again o, just follow the statement since you are mureeds]

He said in the 9:26 min

ولولا رسول الله بالعهد سابقا لأغلقت أبواب الجحيم بغظمتي

If not for the previous promise given to the messenger of Allaah I would've closed the door of hellfire by my might.



So empiree the guy has done a good job, so don't rebuke him!


Yeye...

No, I'm not their mureed. I don't know why you are forcing that on me. I only read random posts and take out what's compatible.

I'm not Tijjaniya or member of any tariqa. Is this difficult for you to understand?. I'm only gonna address the first part base on my little knowledge of the Hadith because I believe this phrase here is in harmony with with hadith in question.

My order is with the order of Allaah, if I say be it will be and all kings of the worlds are my subjects

The Hadith is located in sahih bukhari. says about Awliya Allah that


".......When I love him I am his hearing with which he hears, his seeing with which he sees, his hand with which he strikes, and his foot with which he walks. Were he to ask [something] of Me, I would surely give it to him and were he to ask Me for refuge, I would surely grant him it." (Related by Bukhari)


So I believe highlighted statement is in harmony with the hadith.


And lastly, I can't not confirm if that's the voice of the sheikh himself. This is audio unfortunately. But we as muslims do have responsibility to rebuke statement posted in the open that they can not defend. So I will advise you to ask for clarification from learned Tijjaniya people before making kufr declaration of people.

I know you did this before in one thread and I remember that thread everyday. Statements made in that narration too were ambiguous and thank God, a learned brother clarified and I will eventually post that. I still remember this morning that thread.

Dreydoe:
Salam Alaykum sir, I respect your posts alot on NL but truth be said this your post na falling hand.

The guy who posted that clearly said Kafir statements and should be rebuked.

You are trying to defend him and you are really doing a bad job accomplishing that aim.
.. doesnt correlate atall

walsikum salaam. You see, I know. There are guidelines to follow before declaring kufr statement on fellow muslim. Otherwise everyone will make takfir of every muslim. This is why some of the Alhusunnah retracted a little bit to caution these young guys making takfir everywhere.

Islam teaches us to give excuses. The first step is to reach out to him on FB which this brother didn't do. I was surprised too when I read it that's why I went to his page to check and I realized that he doesn't even have reference. So I messaged him and hopefully he will reply. He's a young guy and most likely follow follow type. So we should reach out to him first before anything. That's what I have just done.

If you just call him a kafir, he may just reply you saying "wahabbi". And nothing will be achieved. Everyone knows this is obvious statements that is in conflict with tawheed.

FriendNG:
In summary he just declared Shiek Tijjani as god.

dont judge him like that. You should try to contact him and admonish him first to clarify himself. When Nabi Ibrahim alaiy salaam said he saw Allah, Allah did not declare him kafir. Instead He(azal wajal) made him khalilullah. Which means, at some point in our lives, we go through series of adventures searching for God. What happened to sayyidina Ibrahim was that he was searching for Allah when he made that statement but Allah did not rebuke him but made him "father of believers"

AbdelKabir:
It is this same Facebook page that posted the following

I can hardly make out what is written but I get some of them. All of that are fantasies. The main point which is obligatory is clear. That's the point.

Besides, I saw the guy behind the page yesterday. He's admin. He posted how picture for the first time. He's a semi-learned young dude. I sometimes msg to correct him and he listens.



**Modified**

Just went to his page to see for myself. He doesn't have source obviously. Looks like he simply copied it elsewhere and he probaly can't defend himself.

FriendNG,

This is in response to your request for the group called "Yan Haqiqa".

I just found this posted today

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Na wa ooo

Is this in Nigeria?

Why is everything in that country is always funny


Honestly if I were you, since there is no such thing as proof of "Muslim certificate" if they really required it, let them deposit the interest in your bank account. Take it out later and dash them to miskin. You will definitely feed people with that.

I had interest base bank account where they remitted interest payment weekly. I simply told them that I don't want it and no argument at all. They deactivated that channel since then. That's 15 years ago and still counting.



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