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vaxx:
if you are aware we learn it from school, why are you asking for documented evidence then?. Consult your school text book to have one. Isese is not limited to human writing. Isese holds ancient value that predate both Islam and Christianity , we don't have one useless book to argue over, we let nature inspire us. Oduduwa does not claim prophethood, so what does he going to do with the holy book . Muhammed himself cannot verified his own source. What is the external evidence that what is written or find in quran is a fact? It is just belived that rested on nothingness like that of Vedas of Hindus or bible of the christain. There is no objective theological way to test the evidence in the documented quran. ATR is about giving you value thru the nature. You can find evidence yourself if you so wish.


You cited a bogus reference that cannot be objectively verified if it is true., I will give you information that was passed down thru memorization but has physical evidence to hold on. The lingua meaning of oni is (oni ri orisha ) the one who see orisa, oni fore father was an ABORE( chief priest ) not oduduwa direct son. He was just fortunate to own oduduwa crown ( their are historical background to this). If you want first hand information , visit ife during olojo festival, oni wear a particular crown called ade are(oduduwa personal crown) It only used by oni thru out Yoruba race. The essence is to justify the importance of oni and the throne in Yoruba land.


lol....alfa has no authority on the subject, isese is unstructured religion .There are more than 7,000 languages in the world, as listed at Ethnologue.
Each of those languages has been a defining mark of at least one culture in which Yoruba is part and nearly all of those cultures have their own religion.

Fewer than a hundred languages have a really active written culture. It is not peculiar to Yoruba tradition only.

Like i said having your written documented those not validate your religion.... and the babalawo accepting Islam is not a well substantiate evidence. Even many alfa are practically babalawo. Many alfa are even embracing Christianity.....


Odu ifa predate islamic prophet or even Jesus. There are scientific evidence for that.... if you must know , check and confirm when Ile ife was established (the expansive land).





As someone who has studied the quran and islam and it is still on it till present ., I would say there are just too many to count. Yet for every error you find, there are always brainwashed followers who will use the following arguments; 1) you don’t know what you’re talking about; you just got that from some islamophobic site! or 2) Well, if you read the actual Arabic, that’s not what the qur’an really says. But if you must know. These are just two examples among the numerous. According to Quran 51:49 and Quran 36:36, all creatures are created in pairs, but viruses, bacteria, Mexican whiptail lizard, and several other creatures are asexual and do not mate or have a couple. Confirm my source.




No one has make orisha an object of worshiped it is ignorance to say so. Yoruba belief exist long ago before muhamedanism, therefore should be different from arab myth. I repeat It again. it is the duty of oni to foster unity among his subjects. Oni is sophistically treating all religion as one just like how our politicians are treating us as one people. When in actuality we are of different background. ( but this techniques has foster unity among us)despite it been false. It is also find in islam, i have earlier refer you to it.


I said you should stop treating road side mechanics as the same as mechanic engineering. I am aware of adam al ilori myself. Bunch of Ile kewu graduate.



Go thru my thread. I have answer this similar question. This is why I use to say black muslims suffer from deep mental-slavery. They often try to condemn African spirituality as "idol worship." And When we say that our religious sculptures are just symbolic focal points, and not God himself, the muslims act stupid like they can't understand this, yet they do the same thing but with a building and not a sculpture.

When muslims worship, they bow and kneel to a mosque in the direction of the kaaba in Mecca. To any onlooker, they are worshipping the mosque building and the kaaba of Mecca.

But that would sound foolish to the muslims right because they know that the building is just a visual symbolic focal point not an object of worship.

Yet, hypocritically, you don't recognize the same logic in other religions that are doing the same symbolic thing but just with sculpture instead of bowing to a building.

You want me to take you and your clown king seriously. I am well versed in this topic than him.(sorry if that denote pride but that is the truth )he even lack the requirement in the first place, so his sophistry cannot influence me. . Iwo is a suburb of Yoruba land not the entirety of Yoruba kingdom.

We like to tell you about iwo but i don't see a need for that in this topic.



i have admitted this since .he is not an historian just like king fahd that authorized quran is not a scholar.

Oni roles is not to preach but to influence . I have repeat this times without number.

LadunaI:
LMAO you're very funny sir. How do you know that for sure lol. This is a gentle guy, an IT geek. It just that he has reservation for possible implications for crime you don't even know or really intented doing. Like what you alluded to about their abuses of their spy operations that can implicate innocent people. This is somebody that had his elementary sch in US before moving down.

Why is that if one have not committed crime or debt ridden , you're NOT yet an Americant? That's funny.

I hope is simply playing by the rules, and one is free from any wahala.

Rashduct4luv:
food can not let you miss the prayer till the time of that prayer goes! You may miss congregation though!
Beware of how you interpret hadith.
Read the points i raised on joining Salah and Shortening prayers up there.

Rashduct4luv:
Bring the lists of the other legitimate excuses and the corresponding authentic evidence from shari'a.

AlBaqir:
Your position and that of the deceitful islamqa website is gravely wrong. It's a way of distorting truth.


Surah An-Nisa, Verse 93:

"And whoever kills a believer intentionally, his punishment is hell; he shall abide in it, and Allah will send His wrath on him and curse him and prepare for him a painful chastisement"

The Prophet, peace be upon him, looked towards ‘Ali, Fatimah, al-Hasan and al-Husayn, and said: “I am at war with whosoever is at war with you people, and at peace with whosoever is at peace with you people”

Source: Abu ‘Abd Allah al-Hakim al-Naysaburi, al-Mustadrak ‘ala al-Sahihayn (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al‘Ilmiyyah; 1st edition, 1411 H), vol. 3, p. 161, # 4713


Apart from Yazid (la), there were sahabah and sons of sahabah involved directly and indirectly in murdering the household of the Prophet; also in the story of Harra where makkah and Madina were plundered, kaaba destroyed, women raped, young and old murdered. Yet, you are maintaining NEUTRALITY

Quran: O you who believe, stand up for justice.

LadunaI:
How I wish our government can be proactive enough to question suspicious wealth, investigate and prosecute if their any infringement. I believe our country we'll be better for it at long run. But alas! in fact, that's what we celebrate here is naija. Nobody cares how you make it, just hammer you becomes instant celeb lol.

it seems these people relied so much on intelligence gathering, invest so much in it because that's what give them edge most time, so am not surprise with all their snitch or covert operations. It seems is very dicey living in the state, any form of crime committed can easily land you into big problem. That's remind me of a colleague we serve together, his siblings are USC but he's here in naija hustling. I was like why can't you move to US, he said " eeh! If I mistakenly download some illegal movie or software the next thing is police knocking on my door" lol. He was practically scared of crime over there.

Thank God you're wise enough to reject that business proposition from Mr A then. There this popular Nollywood actress that was deported sometimes along from US (Atlanta), because of money laundering charges. I'm sure you know her. May God continuing protecting una there.

Alhajiemeritus:
But, why do some people still refer to Yazid as Rodiyalahu anihu and a pious Sahaba?
Because I don't understand why someone who committed such atrocities should be prayed for?

Yazeed is one of those whom we neither curse nor love. There are others like him among the khaleefahs of the two states (Umawi/Umayyad and ‘Abbaasi/Abbasid) and the governors of various regions, indeed there were some among them who were worse than him. But the issue in the case of Yazeed is that he was came to power forty-nine years after the death of the Prophet SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him); it was still close to the time of the Prophet and some of the Sahaabah were still alive such as Ibn ‘Umar who was more entitled to the position than him or his father or his grandfather.

His reign began with the killing of the martyr al-Husayn and it ended with the battle of al-Harrah, so the people hated him and he was not blessed with a long life. There were many revolts against him after al-Husayn, such as the people of Madeenah who revolted for the sake of Allaah, and Ibn al-Zubayr.

(Siyar A’laam al-Nubalaa’, part 4, p. 38)

Shaykh al-Islam described people’s attitudes towards Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah, and said:

The people differed concerning Yazeed ibn Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan, splitting into three groups, two extreme and one moderate.

mostyg:
Most of these pastor use powerful jinns on less powerful one. Also there are Christians among the jinns who help some pastors without the latter's knowledge. One Christian jinn during a ruqyah section revealed the effort he makes in converting humans into Christianity. They are the ones who usually bring picture of Christ to people in their dreams.
I also once heard of a pastor who named his jinn Jesus. So whenever he says "in Jesus name" , he his actually referring to his jinn.

Just yesterday, a lady came to my office to ask I didn't include her name in a list I was authorized to work on and released. This is someone I know and I see the efforts she makes to excel. We later got talking and I asked her about how often she has headache. She responded that it is frequent. One of the diagnostic sign of jinn possession is frequent headache.
I asked her about pain in any part of the body, her response was also positive. She said she also sometimes hear sounds in the hear. She said she couldn't remember her dreams. I probed further and asked about sex in dreams. Response was also positive.
Other signs I found out from her include being afraid of the dark ( she can't sleep with light off), always scared of every little things and feeling something moving in her body.

She thought everything was normal, there is no big deal experiencing all those.
I knew I was dealing with a case of jinn possession. I was in my office and couldn't do ruqyah, so I told her to close her eyes and talk to her mind, to talk as if she is talking to someone ( of course, the jinn). She should ask the following questions, who are you? Why are you troubling my life? What did I do to you? Etc. After some minutes, I told her to open her eyes and asked her to tell me what happened. She told me" I feel empty as if something left my body" She meant she feel light, I knew the jinn left because I also felt a mild electric sock on my body. She also she saw a dark male shape but didn't see the face..
I know the jinn left and may come back to her later because a jinn lover don't leave easily. She would need ruqyah.

Those things I asked her a signs of jinn or human possession but we sometimes take no heed.

Like I said before, I am an accidental raqi with a regular office job. I m not an Alfa as some would have thought.

mostyg:
Ijebu ode, Ogun state Sir.

Pitchblack:
What is Koboko, (sorry if i mispelled)

i have a feeling its naughty, and kinda think i know wat it is, hhhmmm, but not sure!!! so pls enlighten me peeps.
I recently had dinner with friends and they were going on about this,

am waitin,

MajorJeffery:
Hehehe.
The mattress company will surely pay, that's one of the merits or should I say demerits of civilised societies. Lawsuit is just like saying hello.

Rilwayne001:
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