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emekaRaj:
she a woman now, so she has lots of spare time. and there is actually lots of spare in the middle of d night

Lol. By default, i see every potential NL members as males unless specified

AlBaqir:
This Aniyikaye guffed and fumbled. This kind of legal handling should be done to Jabata and his thugs.

This is what many are saying that when they were causing nuisance, no one came up to sue them but when Aniyikaye criticized their alfa, they sued him. Well, Aniykaya's anger is understandable. Did you watch his new release today?. He signed undertaking to do lectures to refute himself and also to attend their sunday halqa as "punishments" for his false utterances against Alfa Eleha. But his new release is not on Youtube yet.

usermane:
If you resort to adhomein whenever a disagreement arises, then don't cry foul when I resort to adhomein as well. You're very good in diverting the subject when conered. And accusing me fighting against your religion. The same tactics employed by the Muslims who killed Farag Foda, Salman Taseer, Muhammad Taha, Rashad Khalifa and many other peacemakers among Muslims.

And then you brag about your converts, as if converts are indication your religion is the truth. The very converts whom originally you demonize as "filthy kuffars" before their conversion. The converts, many of whom do not know the ugly face of your religion as I do.

why are you wailing now?. "Your religion" "your religion" "your religion": Your position speaks volume. This will not get us anywhere. I have no idea about all those people you mentioned. All i advised you was:



** stop telling muslims not to pray at appointed times without valid reason(s) established in figh.

** stop telling muslims that there are other forms (patterns) of salat contrary to the one legislated for over 1400 years.

** stop telling muslims that it is 3 daily prayers instead of 5.



These are innovations. ^^^


Islam teaches us to train our children to offer salat at age of 7 and to hold them accountable at age of 10. But you have views that is 100% contrary to establishment. Therefore, keep your fake "manhaj" to yourself. If Saudi and Iran chose to enforce Muwatta (whatever it is), is only about muslims not about people of other faiths.


Everything else you said is bluster

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Alhajiemeritus:
I think ruhaniyah might be part of the rijahlu gayb.
some people say khidr is their leader.

You bothers dont know what you have in nigeria. You still have real ulama for guidance in nigeria on islamic spirituality. You better make use of it and look for them. They don't speak or rarely speak outside. It is part of knowledge. Those shuyukh are dying now. You better go out there and sit down with them with pen or paper or recording device. Sheikh Ahmed Alaye (ra) is gone and many like him. They know this subject. They have tira on this subject. Some of these tira are pretty old and you need to copies asap.

And i hope ikupakuti resurface for his great contributions.

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usermane:
You have no proof as usual. If Wahhabist and Khomeinists can enforce policies to protect their ideology, secularists and democrats should be able to enforce policies to preserve their ideology.

"Do onto others what as you want to be done to you". Learn humility and respect.

bro, this is not about ideology. This is about obligatory practices in Islam enforced on MUSLIMS by Creator Himself. So I'm not gonna get into wahabbi/Khomeini stuff.

It is a pathetic that you fear your religion will easily be wiped out if people are allowed to go on with their affairs during salat time. It is proof of the weakness of your beliefs.

You still don't get it. Both countries foundations are built on pillars of religion. They have the right to enforce what is obligatory therein. And you know what. it is too late for this trash you just said. A guy said the same thing in 2006 that Islam would be gone in 10yrs. Ten years has passed and Islam is still here. What's wrong with you man?.

Many of those western converts and Muslims born in Islam will utterly reject the enforcement of Islam as seen in Muslim countries. They'll be disappointed in Muslims like you who is an Islamist, who can't deal with pluralism.

shaking my head. Any non muslims living in those mentioned countries are not bound by the law in question. I simply said when it is time for salat, shops should be closed and everyone heads for salat. If muwwata is tasked to deal with violators I:e those who continue trades those times, muwwata has the right to challenge them. So by default, most muslims would head for salat at that moment without being forced. It is common sense man. But you are portraying something different because you made it clear before that whoever doesn't want to pray doesn't have to. This is very silly statement if indeed your are a believer..

Imam Suraj wahaj is a New York City imam from Brooklyn. Go and listen to his lecture where he said he prefers his children to work as cleaners on the streets of New York and be practicing muslims and make Janna than to be CEO making big money but looses Islam. These are words coming out of muslim convert in the West.

Another one is a imam in the same Brooklyn. He enforced sharia on his students. He said if you want to be my student and you violate the rules, he will punish you according to sharia. So one day, a guy came to him that he committed fornication, the imam lashed the guy 80 Stokes.

In his terms and conditions he said, to be his student is to abide by his rules. If you violate and he wants to deliver hudud and you rebel against him, there is no force and you just simply have to leave. But if you agree to be his students be ready.

So stop your nonsense. Your attitude give rooms for trash. This reminds me of tarawee in NYC masjid in 2015. A white Muslim woman raised her voice in the mosque because she wanted to compete with men. This happened when imam asked us to straighten lines and women should go to women section which is upstairs and downstairs. They are only allowed stand directly behind men if there are not too many men. But this particular night many men were present and masjid almost full.

These women were directly behind men that night but when imam noticed that more men were coming, he summoned ladies to go upstairs because they still had space. But this white woman started screaming that Prophet didn't do that. He didn't say this and that. And she started acting like boss. Is this God's way usermane for people to be yelling in the midist of salat?. She was doing this just because of feminism blood in your system.

Then american man stood up and said, "this is why I love African muslims brothers. They won't take this nonsense from women. You are preaching nonsense usermane bcus this is 21century?.

You honestly need to make tawbah for some of your utterances. Also go and watch Joshua Evans. This is another white muslim convert who said at the time of Charlie Hebdo that Muslims have the right to be upset and take to the street. He was crying literally at the podium for his love of the prophet (saw). But you are here talking trash. You think just because they are Westerners they agree with this idea of freedom and other madness all the times?. Bro, you need to cool off. There are lots of American white and black converts living permanently in Saudi and Iran. Get over this sh!t man.

And I don't know why you have to force me on those two groups. This shows you are upset. And I have told you before those are agents of the free world that you think are Angels. I showed you John McCain posed with them in 2014

Alhajiemeritus:
what's the movie title?

Too me good 6 hours to find the movie. This is part 2. Search for party 1. It is 3 parts total.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPlc0ganesc

usermane:
It is people's business. It's like saying that it is no one's business if a western country's rulers decide to ban mosques or ban Muslim immigrants or force everyone not to work on Sundays.

That said, there are plenty of Muslims who oppose Saudi and Iran's policy of enforcing Islam. For you to say their opinions is irrelevant is highly bias.

You are on a mission. For this, I won't take you serious. The comparison you made was not even logical.

You are just trying hard to take Islam away from people. But guess what?. It won't work. Many westerners are coming to Islam. They are gonna be disappointed if they see you speak like this. It is shameful of you.

usermane:
This is your position of the state policy, my question is do you think other Muslims share this position? How many percent do you think will agree that such a policy is justice?

what muslims think is irrelevant. This is Saudi Arabia. If their law says "in the time of salat when adhan is called, all shops must close and everyone goes to pray, or whoever is unable for medical reason prays in his shop etc. If you have no valid reason to join the prayer and you continue conducting your business, Mutawwa must challenge you"

Then, this is the law of the land and it is none of anyone's business. But for you to ask for opinion of muslims is rather irrelevant bcus in this day and age there are many who just wanna combine all their salat at night. So it won't be surprised to disagree with my opinion. This is God's religion not the people.

usermane:
You still don't understand. Let's put it with the Saudi example. Do you think most Muslims agree with Mutawwa forcing people out for salat?

okay, this one I have told you it is their country and this is heartland of Islam. Therefore, when it is time for salat, from what I heard, all or most stores are closed for the moment. Therefore, if it is law of the land to enforce this law, so be it.

However, no one can tell if someone prays or not on average day. So I wont support beating up people on the streets by asking them "have you prayed?". But in time of salat and every shop is closed and you keep yours open or don't go to pray, they have the right to challenge you.

So your question about forcing people is not narrow one. I don't know how Mutawwa thing works until I personally witness it myself.

usermane:
Not that. I mean do you think most Muslims agree on forcing one interpretation on those that hold alternate interpretation?

well, I don't know what's your definition of forcing in this context. There is nothing to force on anyone because muslim generally pray the same way except you. We can't tell if someone believes differently unless and until he leads salat in non-traditional way as legislated. Or he preaches "3 daily salat" according to his understanding. Then muslims are obligated to take his microphone off or shut the mic and put a duck tape on his lips and. FORCE him to take elementary studies of Islam all over again

usermane:
OK. I get you.



OK. I won't dispute you. But do you think most traditionalists will agree with you on that?

yes, because there is no difference of opinion. The way we pray was legislated

usermane:
I don't have the Hadith at my disposal at the moment. But do you disagree that a woman can be Imam for men in salat?

what I understand is with her fellow women. Even if a young boy is present and he knows how to lead salat he should instead of woman.



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That's not the point. The point is every Muslim's belief or interpretation should be respected. Don't force your own interpretation on others.

nonesense.

Have you ever worked as security agent or a carrier where your boss gives you SEALED envelop to deliver to another company?. You have absolutely no right to open the envelope. If you do, you are going to jail.

So patterns of praying salat and number of salat is completed and SEALED. To do contrary to that is tantamount to heretic and should be excommunicated

usermane:
Restrooms are places women may UnCloth, it is only reasonable to separate genders.

As for what God imply through the lips of the Prophet, you can find them in a Book with 114 chapters. There is evidence even within Hadith that instructions from Hadith were not divinely inspired. But that's for another day.

To minmize getting distracted in salat by a woman standing in front of you, lower your gaze. How about that? Shut your eyes while you pray or fix your eyes on a spot on the floor.

There seem to be Hadith where the Prophet permitted a woman to lead a mixed congregation, if my memory serves me right. But I'm not sure of the source.

I really shake my head for you man. Quote the hadith please. That's interesting allegation

Sarcasm01:
May Allah (Sw) guide you guy (empire), I don't know how person would be doing like this, He knows the truth and defending the fallacy.

so what do you suggest?. Everyone should be boss in the masjid and make up their own ruling and cause chaos in the House of Allah?. What's the point of having committee then?.

It is already happening if you don't know. Muslims chase out fellow Muslims from the masjid because the later are making dua after salat. So they said it is innovation therefore they chased them out of mosque. Is this Sunnah?.

If you know imam is doing something wrong simply report to the committee. What's wrong with my suggestion?. If don't want to pray behind an imam, then go elsewhere instead of causing trouble

usermane:
Hmm... So you really think what the Mutawwa do is like what your grandpa did? I'm not sure how many Muslims agree with you on this. I think even people like tbobo1234 or Elbaqir will disagree. And if I'm wrong, then ...... I don't know.

So, if a Saudi Muslim believes in only 3 salat, Fajr, Dhuhr, Isha'i, should he be pestered by Mutawwa for Asr salat? What if a Muslim prefers to postpone his salat instead of going for it at the adhaan, you still think he should be bugged by Mutawwa?

As for me, I refuse to narrow the scope of application for 'No compulsion in religion', I believe no doctrine is enforceable on Muslim just as Islam is not enforceable on non-Muslims.

In those countries that 'Islamic rules'(Iran & Saudi Arabia) are enforced, closet atheism or apostasy is still on the rise. Unfortunately, I have no citation for reference at my disposal at the moment.

This is very shameful of you. First, it is their country. They have the right to enact laws. Second, no compulsion in religion you quoted doesn't apply to Muslims because Quran in another verse says, enter into Islam wholeheartedly, which means accepting the hakam and the fard etc

Now with regards to salat,

“Guard strictly your (habit of) prayers… If you fear, pray on foot, or riding. ” (Quran 2:238-9)



Indeed, prayer has been decreed upon the believers a decree of specified times. Nisai 103


And this applies to you and your likes

“But after them there followed a posterity who missed Prayers and followed after lusts soon, then, will they face destruction, except those who repent and believe, and work righteousness.” (Quran, 19)



There is no room for any muslim to come up with different number or salat. This is innovation that you are promoting

usermane:
Not all the verses have multi-meanings. Especially, not the verses with instructions like modest dressing. The problem is your mindset, you think like the innovators of hair covering.

There is nothing spiritual in covering the hair. But a person who have been conditioned to believe so, will believe so.

Same goes with traditions like circumcision(male & females) and keeping lengthy beards. All these were incorporated in Islam due to cultural taboos or influences from even other Abrahamic or even pagan religions.



Obey what? Do you think every Muslim woman that does not wear haircovering is ignorant, lazy or just rebellious? You'll be surprised to find women even among Sunnites who after researching texts and opinions have resolved haircovering is not essential. I'm speaking of practicing Muslim women. They can independently wipe the ground with you over the validity of hair covering.

Humm, I think you may have misunderstood. When i said hair, i was actually referring to covering of head. When you cover your head, hair is covered by default. Let's get this clear. It's like being told that that someone covered their eyes, but asking did they cover their corneas as well... If the head is not visible, then how can the hair be visible...? So i am taking about head covering. It was simply easy for me to say hair.

Now to Umm Salama, this is what i found:


Hadith 1:


It was narrated that Umm Salamah said: When the words ‘draw their cloaks (veils) all over their bodies’ were revealed, the women of the Ansaar went out as if there were crows on their heads because of the way they covered themselves.

(Narrated by Abu Dawood, 4101; classed as saheeh by Shaykh al-Albaani in Saheeh Abu Dawood.)





Hadith 2:


It was narrated that Aa’ishah said: The riders used to pass by us when we were with the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) in ihraam. When they came near us we would lower our jilbabs from our heads over our faces, and when they had passed by we would uncover our faces. (Narrated by Abu Dawood, 1562.)




Hadith 3:


When Allah revealed the words (interpretation of the meaning) –
“…and to draw their veils all over Juyoobihinna (i.e. their bodies, faces, necks and bosoms)…” [al-Noor24:31] – they tore the edges of their aprons and covered their heads with them.’

(narrated by Abu Dawood, 4102, from the hadeeth of Ibn Wahb).

PS: God put women back in salat? May be the hadith or Fiqh put them behind. But nowhere does God/Qur'an put women in the back.

The same natural law that caused businesses, schools, and public restrooms to have Male and Female restrooms apart, by this same logical reason, Allah put women behind on the lip of the prophet(saw). I need not to quote text. Common sense is enough. The prophet even went to say, women should stay a little longer in sujud because some men may not have enough gown that cover their behind. But if women are in front and men behind, i am sure many men would be lust.

BeansAndBread:
That's not true, Sheikh Uthman Dan Fodio was partially Sufi of Qadriyyah Tariqah

Imam Shamil of Degastan that fought against the Russians was Sufi.

AbdulKadeer Al Jazaari that fought the French and Druze was Sufi.

Even during the US invasion of Iraaq, there was a Sufi militant group that represented the Naqshbandi Tariqah and they were known to have cooperated with ISIS sometimes.

So Sufis fight, so don't be surprised

You dey mind him. He thinks Sufis are dummies only clutching tesuba around.

LadunaI:
Empiree

Do You know anything about Rijalu ghayb?

interesting. . No to be honest. All I know is this is the position of khidr(as). He was not ummah of Sayyidina Musa(as). I think ikupakuti mentioned something about this before. Let's ask albaqir. He talked about something similar to this too.

I also believe sheikh Daud Alfa Nla and Sheikh Faruq Onikijipa talked about something like this. If I understood correctly, Rijalu ghayb is where qutub قطب abdal,عبد awtad أوتاد etc meet in spiritual realm?.

In that case you might need to watch a Yoruba movie tried to make sense of this spiritual realm where lateef adedimeji and Ibrahim Chatta played Sheikh and mureed. Sorry, I had to reference movie. It has sense of Islamic spirituality

Dreydoe:
no no.. I totally missed the first rakat and joined the imam in the second rakat then forgot and made teslim with the imam... Only remembered afterwards immediately after saying the teslim.

I dint get up to make the missed rakat because I have already said teslim with the imam.

What I did was made two prostration and I dint do 3rd tashud for this ( think another mistake on my part) and said 2nd teslim.

Sir I won't lie u I became confused afterwards.

I wanted to just redo the prayer on my own but I remembered an hadith about not repeating prayer up and down base on insecurities... I made nawafil.

I av prayed Isha already.

May Allah s. w. t accept all our prayers

Just for next time sir...correct me

I think you are still saying the same thing. Let me rephrase. Let's say you joined imam on second rakah of isha. You missed first one right?.

You completed entire salah from second rakah with imam. You did 2 tashahud and 1 taslim but you forgot to stand up and make up first rakah you missed, right?.

You remembered quickly after teslim and then you made two sujud and then you made teslim again?. Am I right?

Reflect on this hadith. I think this is your situation.



Narrated Abdullah bin Buhaina (RA): Allah’s Messenger (PBUH) once led us in Salat and offered two raka’at and got up (for the third raka’at) without sitting (after second raka’at, for At-Tahhiyat). The people also got up with him, and when he was about to finish his Salat, we waited for him to finish the Salat with Taslim, but he said Takbir before Taslim and performed two prostrations (sujud) while sitting and then finished the Salat with Taslim.

Dreydoe:
Salam alaykum... . I missed the first rakat of magrib with the imam and said the teslim with the imam!

Remembered after saying the teslim..

I made two prostration again without another tashud then I did teslim..

Now am just confused
Don't know if I should repeat the whole prayer again

walaikum salaam,

If i understand you, you already made up first rakah you missed but you are concerned about tashahud, correct?. So in total you made two tashahud?. It is correct. Although there is ikhtilaf as to whether to make tashahud the third time. Far as i know, you know, there is no need to make tashahud the third time. Just say your salamo after sujud. Your salat is valid

Good job to you brother

usermane:
You have no proof, unfortunately. The tone of Qur'an 24:31 actually deals with decency. Decency is spiritual and is attainable even without covering the hair.

Good. I am glad you mentioned "spiritual" which means classical meaning of the text was correct. Quran has exoteric and esoteric meanings. Those scholars understood this.


Apart from that, a simple "we hear and we obey" is enough for women to cover their hair. And there is a reason God put women in the back in salat. Maybe you will argue this too?. All these things combined are meant to avoid trouble.