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IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
usermane:
If you don't know the answer to this, then you don't know me well. Is there directive to conceal the hair in salat in Quran?
Thats why i won't argue with you on this. One thing is clear, your view and your likes were recent not classical one. Women covered throughout islamic history until we have this idea of feminism and freedom which are hypocritical in nature. Examples,

Women say "what men can do women can do better"

Now, when it comes to job and pay, the statement above works fine for them. But when it comes to paying bills, they say 'you are men, you should pay it'.

When it comes to dating, men pay everything. When it comes to entering car, "women first". When it comes to proposing marriage, men kneel. If you dont, they say you are very disrespectful. But when it comes to religion, "we have freedom". All these nonsense make me sick to my stomach
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:04pm On Oct 09, 2018
usermane:
So, do you think it is justified for Mutawa of Saudi to chase people out of their shops and offices for salat?
Yes, i don't care what you think. My grandfather did the same when i was young. Not only to his family but entire hood. He knocked on doors early in the morning for fajr. I still remember like yesterday. And he taught many islam including those rich people you see on tv today, like Chief Bayo Kuku and many dignitaries. If he didnt do this to us, we would be something else today.Guess what now?. He died in 2015 at 105 and every single person he taught appreciates his effort. So dont blame Mutawa. Dont look at this from Western perspective. You will be so wrong. This is major tenet not hijab, and quran says "enter into the islam wholeheartedly" Q2:208




Too bad you still support the propaganda. He was laughing because he found it ridiculous that a man who cannot force his own daughter to wear headcover wants the entire population of Egyptian women be forced to wear head cover. Nothing mocking of hair covering in that. The problem is your mindset.
If you said so
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:54pm On Oct 09, 2018
usermane:
Also keep in mind there are Muslim women who do not see hair covering as compulsory, but they choose to wear 'hijab' for non-religious reasons like fashion, culture, family or societal pressure. Some even cover their hair because it saves them the cost and time of grooming it when going out in public.
all these are diff stuff. We talking about Islamic injunction here. One thing is to acknowledge this injunition, another thing is to acknowledge it but dont have the capacity to do it yet. This i dont have have problem with. But to say "i dont see it as obligatory or command from God" is opinion and such people need knowledge. Opinion is irrelevant here bcus they can as well say obligatory salat is not neccessary too.



Re-read my post again. I did a lot of modifying, so a lot you've written here is not really necessary. Plus, I haven't stated that Sufi relaxed hijab, I stated Sufis generally do not believe in enforcing Islamic rules like hijab.
See, if you take little time and go back to old men in Yoruba history, they enforce it and they were sufis but the enforcement was not to the level of authority. Like for instance, they would explain the way i just did like covering to protect their beauty and covering in the case of prayers. If they saw women walked down the street, they said "cover your head". Some would say "where is your head cover". See, it is enforcement but not authoritative. This is enforcement i was talking about not enforcement of wielding cane around or jail them. This enforcement i just described falls under commanding good and forbidding evil. This is what i taught MS tried to do






Which problem do I have with Muslims? Is it criticizing the Saudi and Iranian government for enforcing hijab?
You have problem with enforcement code in those countries?





There is no importance in hair covering, if that's what you mean by hijab. Modest dressing that curbs lust is what Qur'an speaks of. There is no in hair that incites lust.
I have told you that they reduced hijab to "covering my beauty", is not essentially the case. It has spiritual meaning which was the real case when i was growing up. Hair is not about lust. It is more than that. I think you should research this. Some understand what i am talking about. Why do you think christians, when they have problems and go to their pastors with head covered?.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:27pm On Oct 09, 2018
usermane:
The Canadian was Raheel Raza. On the day she led salat, she covered her hair. But this is out of formality not modesty or Islam. She doesn't cover all the time. Just as a lot of male Imams cover their hair in salat. Raheel Raza. There's probably case of female Imam in leading salat without covering her hair.
Whats your position on covering hair for women in salat. Obligatory or not?. This will give me clue where you stand.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:08pm On Oct 09, 2018
usermane:
Forced Islam is NOT Islam

The facebook url posted earlier by Empiree, under the title, "Egyptian President Mocks Hijab in 1958", pertains to Gamal Abdel Naseer relating account of his discourse with the Muslim Brotherhood(MB) on compulsory hair covering. Overlook Empyree's title, and get a translated video from YouTube on Naseer speaking on the matter with his audience.

The moment a Muslim is forced to abide by Islamic injunctions, it is no longer Islam. Hence, the saying, "Actions are judged by intention". True submission(Islam) exist only when the people willing comply out of conviction and choice.

I've debunked the commandment of hair covering for women long ago. Yet, even if such commandment exists, there is no justification for enforcing it by the authorities. Just as there is no justification for state enforcement of salat. Very simple analogy.

Sure, Naseer was no fine secular leader. But he was right in dismissing and undermining the MB's request for enforcement of hair covering Egypt as in Iran or Saudi Arabia today. And for this reason, the MB till date continue to slander him with false accusation of mocking hijab.
Okay, i think your issue is FORCE. I get it. Remember obligatory practices like Salat, Siyam, zakat, Haj are forced on us by Creator Himself. We have no choice when we embrace islam but claim we have freedom not to pray. Salat etc are injunctions. There are also other injunctions muslims abide by but depends on level of Iman. They simply have different levels of enforcement. Like enforcement of obligatory practices are higher compared to enforcement of hijab. I have to admit that i didnt fully watch the clip before i posted it. But i still disagree with the president bcus, even if he disagree with MS's proposal, it should never happen in such platform where it appears mockery of God's injunction. He didnt reject their proposal from scholarly perspective. Rather he was laughing. That was the reason i see no Ikhlas in his rejection of proposal. If he wanted to reject their proposal, it should have been done respectively. He didnt do that in the video. He and his audience were just laughing, Therefore, propaganda was justified in my opinion.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree:
usermane:
I debunked the doctrine of hair, neck, and ear covering for women a very long time ago. I have no interest in dragging this subject any further.
Even in salat?. Even craziest feminist Muslims in America like Amina Wadud and the other one in canada who leads salat cover up around the clock despite feminity agenda.



It got to do with your militant views on Islam, like authorities enforcing headcovering. Sufis are less militant in their approach to sharia that hardline Sunnites. But with you, I learnt to be cautious with Sufis
Talking about enforcing hijab by authority, is just one of these basic public moral laws. Hijab should be encouraged. Not the way you are viewing. You are trying to relax it 100% as you already pointed out up there. Back in the days, the Sufis you mentioned didn't even allowed women to sit near them uncovered when they make Dua or offer salat because the believe is that angels don't patronize the region where women's hair is uncovered. This has long been Muslim tradition. But today, they reduced Hijab to "covering our beauty" which is not essentialy the case. So you can see importance of covering hair. This is not about militant view. Majority of the Sufi still command wearing hijab. So what's your point. And at no point did I tell you I'm a Sufi. This name calling are meant to promote sectarianism. I don't fall for that.




Changing your words? You said you support the government enforcing it. And you falsely accused an ex-president of ridiculing it. That is the problem.
like it or not, I like the way Muslim majority countries, Iran and Saudi enforced it. There should be outward signs and outward appearance of muslims in majority muslim countries. Muslim country shouldn't look like Las Vegas. Just like Vatican, if you go there, you see women and men in their religious regalia all the time. Why should you have problems with Muslim?. What I don't support is enforcement of face veil.



Beautifully explained? You might be living under a rock. There is no guarantee that such an effort will convince every Muslim woman on headcovering. Ask the Ayatollahs and Muftis.
efforts must be made. Period. You on the other hand are trying to relax it and make it sound like it is not important. The best way to make it easy for them is by making it traditional and cultural practice from childhood. Allah rewards them for covering. I have sisters too who don't cover but only cover at the time of salat. I also have sisters who cover all the time outside.



We're talking about freedom of every Muslim women to decide whether to wear or not wear it. Not whether it is divine command or not.
Sorry sir. Hijab is part of Islam. I don't understand what freedom you are talking about. So people can also say they have freedom not to pray obligatory salat too and still remain muslim?. Let me ask you this, why are you concern about hijab when in fact, there are non-Muslims trying to be like muslims?. We should encourage people not nonsense you are saying.

Did you watch American rapper who appeared on Dr. Phill show some 6 years ago all covered up?. She went from unclothedness to being covered. What Islamic legacy do you as a "muslim" teach folks like her?. Importance of hijab must be taught. And if after understanding it, but some women still decide "oh well, I still don't wanna wear hijab", then, for as long as they don't go around telling fellow women that they have freedom not to wear it, I'm cool with that. Head covering is fitra for women throughout history, muslim or not.
IslamRe: What Is Ahmadiyya by Empiree: 3:26am On Oct 09, 2018
IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 3:14am On Oct 09, 2018
IslamRe: ...... by Empiree:
LadunaI:
I don't think I know him. Is he something Balogun?
grin Honestly, i am seeing his picture first time. I only heard his voice on radio back then. grin He is

الشيخ عبد العزيز عجاجمبيفرفي

As-Sheikh AbdulAzeez Ajágbémókèfèrí grin



Why is that there is insufficient materials on ruhaniya? I tried to make some little research about it after watching those videos, but what I find is very scanty. I wish I could get details about them.

I was trying to recollect most of the story of AWLIYAHs in Tashkirah awliyas to see if there something similar.
The reason for insufficient materials on ruhaniya is because Quran only mentioned 3 major categories of beings: [u]Malaikat, Jinns and Humans[/quote]. Therefore, it is easy for fellow muslims who are not essentially adhkar to criticize or condemn it. Or simply say it is Jinn. To be honest, i dont necessarily blame them, but they need to humble a little. I started researching on them 4yrs ago and i found some materials. Also heard that Sheikh Abdul Qadir Jilani(ra) encountered them.


Another reason is, since evidence is not entirely clear from kitab and sunnah, it only makes sense for awliya to keep it to themselves, bcus they only strengthen awliya afterall, which means it is personal to them. That's why it is not publicly displayed. Sheikh Malik Adebayo said "what you learned internally remains internal and within your rank".

Unfortunately, there might be folks who are doing something else while attributing higher spiritual status to themselves but in fact, they only use Jinn especially for levitate, "karama". There are also extreme people on the other side who think that every extraordinary incident that happens to awliya is work of Jinn to the extent that if they hear a muslim predicts or says something out of their firasa, they always claim he is using jinn like they accused sheikh Adam (ra). So i wonder if in their mind, Allah can not do anything without jinn involvement?.


The reason i have made up my mind and believe that ruhaniyun are different from Jinn is bcus, Quran talks about "ruh" in different categories and that we can not fully understand "ruh". When I asked my sheikh if there is evidence for ruhaniya in the Quran, he cited surah Qadr ayah 4. Although some translations claim ruh in the ayah is Jibril(as) but sheikh Ahmed Alaye (ra) disagreed. He said "if you believe Jubril is what the ayah is referring to as "ruh", that's your believe not me". But one thing is clear, malaikat and ruh are mentioned in the ayah separately.


Another reason I believe ruhaniyun exist is bcus there exist in all Allah's Names and Attributes beings in charge of them if you invoke these Names. Remember that mufassir are only human beings. They only translated Quran but i have realized that Quran can never be translated. It can only be explained. Therefore, there was no way they could grasped everything.

Another excuse given by those who dont believe in existence of ruhaniya is that there was no precedence. That is, the aslaf. I said to them that, sahaba would not need that bcus the presence of nabi(saw) was more than enough for them. Even after nabi(saw) was gone, sahaba displayed magnificent element of firasa and kashf. Everything is not about Jinn. Those who sincerely involved with dhikr can tell the difference btw Jinn and ruhaniyun (ruhaniya).


Also, sheikh Yasir Qadr few years ago narrated a friend of his who is a raqi. He asked a jinn (a young jinn) if Allah created other beings besides Malaikat(as we know them), Jinns and humans because one of Allah's Names is He creates (al-Khāliq) which is also present continuous tense?. The Jinn replied "it is possible but i don't know. You should ask my senior". The raqi only exercised his crousity due to Allah's Name, "al-Khāliq".

We just need to move close to awon agbalagba sufi. They have Allah's Names beyond 99 Names we know. I didnt want to say this 4 years ago in Jinn Stories thread because some might say there are no other Names. But alhamdulillah, i found famous hadith and also heard of the same hadith in Jummah lecture that there are other Names. But these are just for the elites. What is in the kitab and sunnah are enough to live our lives to make it to jannah in sha Allah.

So, good sheikh would not come outside and talk recklessly about ruhaniyah or any phenomenon that average muslims don't comprehend. It is mukhuh to do so. My sheikh is like that too. He doesn't talk outside. And he never talked about this with me until 2012. You may need to get off online and look for awliya or those faithful alfa who are not lazy. There was a website i found 4 years ago. I don't remember where i saved it. It ranked them as follow:


Malaikat (like Jubril)

Ruhaniyun(light)

Jinn

This is exactly what my sheikh said. He said "awon ruhaniya lo wa laarin. Fúnfún lawón". So knowledge like this are not debated in public according to Sheikh Rabiu Adebayo
Jokes EtcRe: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 7:51pm On Oct 08, 2018
huh

IslamRe: ...... by Empiree: 7:20pm On Oct 08, 2018
LadunaI:
.....
You remember this Muslim man?. Let's see if you can guess his name right.

PoliticsRe: THROWBACK: Nigeria Needs Atiku To Make Life More Meaningful – Tinubu by Empiree: 7:01pm On Oct 08, 2018
Nemesis001:
Even if FBI, Interpol, DIA, NIA, Homeland Security, NSA and the whole Americans arrest and imprison Atiku, I and my family will still vote for him.


Shebi Buharist think say na only them get sense ni. . Atiku till I die.

Show me a video of Atiku robbing a bank, He must rule us from the prison yard o

RomanceRe: "Since SEX Became so Easy To Get, LOVE Became Harder To Find". by Empiree: 5:31pm On Oct 08, 2018
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:43pm On Oct 08, 2018

IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 2:31pm On Oct 08, 2018
IslamRe: Muslim: Monotheist Vs Anti-monotheist by Empiree: 11:48am On Oct 08, 2018
usermane:
I'm aware there are Hadith in the contrary, but I've convienently cherry-picked this Hadith because it confirms my position on this subject; just as you convienently cherry-pick Hadith that confirms your positions on subjects.

Plus, your interpretation of this Hadith is not straight forward. The messenger's words generalized every companion who lived after his death. It didn't exempt Abu Bakr or Ali or Aisha.
then you are in the wrong because the prophet even singled out kulafah rashidun and those who follow them



Same argument as Abdelkabir. Your fault here is that you do not have an official list of the companions during and after Muhammad's days. So how do you isolate the grains from the chaff?
why is a list needed when history already tells us positions of them?.



You also fail to see that some companions may not have not renounced Islam but invariably fell astray in their practising.
Astray in what sense?. Tenets of Islam or other voluntary practices?. No companions of the prophet (saw) go against obligatory practices as taught them till today. The one who tried to deviated was dealt with. So what do you mean by "astray"?



Give it up, man. There is no guarantee that any of the companions, remained accurate in Islam till death.
onus is on you to be specific on what part of Islam they failed to hold on to.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 11:32am On Oct 08, 2018
grin grin
usermane:
I expected you to have corrected your original post. You posted a faulty headline, a slanderous one, but you don't care. Since, all you're after is nurturing the victimhood mentality among Muslims by blowing things out of proportion.

And for you to imply the authorities have a right to enforce headcovering on Muslim women, including those women that have resolved it is not essential in Islam, just show how deeply Islamist you are.

See? The first time I found you were of Sufi order; I wondered, why a Sufi from Yoruba land would harbor such militant views as Salafist Sunnites and Khomeinist Shiites. It was not until I realized your sympathies and links to Islamist legacy groups like CAIR, ISNA of the Muslim Brotherhood, that I found my answer.

Of course, you're free to serve those groups to further their Islamist agenda. But be honest in informing the Muslim masses. Don't exploit their ignorance and sympathies for Islam.
whatever rock your boat. I wasn't thinking about correcting my original post because I didn't think that was necessary as my later post would automatically corrects that. Otherwise, your post will be meaningless.

Anyways, Hijab is fard when making salat and this is not about "covering my beauty" as many think. This seems to be trending notion amongst women. And there is nothing to suggest that it's not fard outside of salat either. And who told you Sufis relaxe this practice?. And what's Sufi gotta do with this?.

Now if a woman doesn't wear it, is due to her understanding or idea of how she perceives it. So I don't recommend any individual forcing it on her. Hijab is not about just "covering beauty". It is more than that for their own good and those around them. If they pray salat without head cover they are just doing exercise. Truth must be told.

I am not here to curry flavor your opinion. There is linguistic and sharia definition of hijab. So we are talking about sharia definition here. It has to be beautifully explained to women before enforcement and only authority should do that if they want to. It is not essentially a Law but a Command. And forcement thing has to be gradual process. And talking about Sufis, some just have liberal approach to it that's all. Doesn't the Bible commands Hijab?.

Answer that please.
IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 5:38am On Oct 08, 2018
usermane:
It wasn't mockery and wasn't hijab in itself. It was more of undermining compulsory headcover for women as in Iran or Saudi Arabia.

Please, collect and digest information adequately from alternate sources before copy and pasting.
Authority does have the right to enforce it if they have to. Quran orders for it so muslim authority has enforcement responsibility to certain extent but not without explaining its importance. But I don't support imposition on non muslim citizens. It has nothing to do with iran and Saudi.
PoliticsRe: Pastor Tunde Bakare Congratulates Atiku For Winning PDP Presidential Ticket by Empiree:
magoo10:
atiku is a wazobia meaning he mingles with every corner of the country
meanwhile buhari is nepostic ,sadistic and empty
The same mistake is in the making. If he wins election, by the time he spends a year in office, you and fellows who vote him in will be like


Á(we) (don) (Die) grin

IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 3:06am On Oct 08, 2018
IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 12:21am On Oct 08, 2018
He once remarked: ‘My companions and others come to me, and I see on their faces, and in their eyes, things I do not mention to them.’ So I, or someone else, said to him: What if you just tell them? He replied: ‘Do you wish that I become a fortune-teller like those [in the courts] of the rulers?’

I once said to him: If you treat us according to what you see, it will help make us more steadfast and upright. He replied: ‘You would not be able to put up with me for even a Friday, or a month!’

He informed me on several occasions about certain private matters I intended to do, but which I had not spoken of to anyone. He told me of major events that would take place in the future, without specifying dates. I have seen some of them happen; I await the others. What his senior companions have witnessed of this is far more than what I have seen. And God knows best.”




1. A hadith related by al-Tirmidhi, no.3127, saying the hadith is gharib. It has a support in the following hadith: ‘Indeed, God has servants who know about people by reading the signs.’ [Al-Tabarani, Mu‘jam al-Awsat, no.3086, and its chain is hasan].

2. Al-Fawa’id (Makkah: Dar ‘Alam al-Fawa’id, 2008), 106.

3. Madarij al-Salikin (Riyadh: Dat Taybah, 2008), 3:368-70.


Source
IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 12:15am On Oct 08, 2018
In his magesterial Madarij al-Salikin, Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah discusses the reality of firasah, its cause, the sayings of the early masters concerning it, and its types. He also relates some wondrous accounts about the firasah of his shaykh and mentor, Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah. He writes:


“I have witnessed incredible things from the firasah of Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyyah, may God have mercy upon him; and what I have not seen are even greater – accounts that would need a large volume to document:



He informed his companions how the Tartars would invade the Levant (sham), in the year 699H, how the Muslim armies would be vanquished, and how there would be no indiscriminate killing or the taking of captives in Damascus, and how the army’s sole craving would be for wealth. All of this was before the Tartars had even decided to set-out. He then informed the public and the rulers, in the year 702H, as the Tartars were advancing on the Levant, of how they would be routed and defeated, and how triumph and victory would be for Muslims. He swore an oath about this over seventy times. So the people insisted, say ‘God-willing (insha’Llah),’ to which he replied: ‘God-willing; in the sense it will happen, not in the sense it could happen!’ I heard him say this.


He said: ‘When they kept urging me, I said: Do not do so. For God, Exalted is He, has written it in the Preserved Tablet (al-lawh al-mahfuz), that on this occasion they will be defeated and that victory shall be for the armies of Islam.’
IslamRe: Shaykh Adam Abdullah Al-ilory by Empiree(op): 12:11am On Oct 08, 2018
Firasah of Ibn Taymiyyah


Ibn Qayyim al-Jawziyyah remarked: ‘O you who are defenceless! Beware the spiritual insight of the godly one, for he sees your hidden deeds from behind a veil:


“Beware the spiritual insight of a believer, for he sees with the light of God.”



Spiritual insight, or firasah, is a faith-based insight that God casts into the hearts of His faithful ones, by which peoples’ states or deeds are unveiled to them. They are from those saintly miracles (karamat al-awliya) gifted to them by God; the inner workings of which are the very opposite of magic and sorcery. Sorcerers claim power, for themselves or for others besides God.

Saints (and more so, Prophets) claim only helplessness before their Lord, accepting they have no share whatsoever in the miracles which issues forth from them. Such spiritual intuitions or epiphanies that arise in the heart are seldom wrong if the heart is pure. Which is to say, the accuracy of a person’s firasah will depend upon their nearness to God and their strength of faith. For, as masters of the inward life say, when souls approach the presence of the Truth (al-Haqq), it is usually the epiphanies of the Truth that come to it.
PoliticsRe: Nigerians In New York Celebrate Independence On The Streets. Photos by Empiree: 7:59pm On Oct 07, 2018
emeijeh:
Yesterday was October 6th.


Where have they been since Monday the 1st?


Trump Oya, count dem, and send dem come back to shithole

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that's business day in US. That's why they shifted to weekend. Either way, I don't even understand yeye Independence day when the citizens are not independent of looters and politicians.
IslamRe: Evil Of Soothsaying, Foretelling And Horoscope by Empiree:
kazade:
If you are not 100% sure the Imam is doing it but you are hearing something like it in his lectures (showing that he believes in it), can you still pray behind him?
Report to the masjid committee. Let them do independent investigation. Your duty is only to report it. You are not to cause trouble by making takfir of the Imam. That's why you have committee. And if you feel committee is taking long or not responding, you may stop praying behind him on your own without making trouble.

Simply ignore the imam. That's all. Only authority (committee) is assigned to challenge Imam not every Tom and Harry
IslamRe: Evil Of Soothsaying, Foretelling And Horoscope by Empiree:
MrOlai:
Rubbish!

Mr man, don't deceive people into committing shirk! Don't deceive people into Kufr! I know you're probably into "Jalabi". You don't want people to spoil business for you!

Using "opon iyepe" for your so-called accounting is shirk! There's nothing like accounting here other than soothsaying/fortune-telling! It has been condemned by the Prophet (SAW).

Soothsaying is shirk!

Fortune-telling is shirk!

"Jalabi" is shirk!

Your so-called "kanako" is shirk!

Using "Tira" is shirk!

Don't deceive people into Kufr!

"Call upon Me; I will respond to you." (Qur'an 40:60). This is the statement of Allah (SWT) from the Qur'an.

The words of Allah (SWT) and the statements of the Prophet (SAW) are crystal clear on the issue of soothsaying/fortune-telling.

Stop deceiving people!
Who is this one?. But you believe weatherman telling you 5 days forecast, right?. What do you call that?. You believe doctor telling your wife what is in the womb, correct?. Doesn't Quran speaks against these too?. If you dont understand what I posted up there, kindly not quote me. Clear?.

Before modern technology, what was used?

Before modern hospital what was used?

Modern "life support" machine that allegedly "save" lives falls in this categories too. If you believe the machine keeps someone alive, you have committed shirk. God forbid, i am sure if your family member is in life and death situation and "life support" machine is suggested, you won't hesitate to use it which means you believe it saves.

You can not say "this is technology and it is different". No. They are the same essence. Please stop sticking your nose in what you dont know. No one's telling you to visit soothsayers. Get over your ego. You fall in this category i described above.

Empi.ree:
other side doesn't care to get facts before condemnation because he only perceives from afar. This one only reads hadith literally and concludes that whoever is using iyepe must be fortuneteller. This is wrong.
What the prophet(saw) condemned are those who play God by claiming to know the future. Like Osanyin, Osun worshippers, "Alfa" who claims knowledge of ghaib for himself independent of Allah etc. If you give blanket declaration of shirk, how about those waliy that Allah bestowed firasa (spiritual acumen or ability to perceive the future), like Ibn Taymiyyah(ra) who foretold some events to occur in the future, especially regarding the Mongols?. Difference is, waliy refers back to Allah while the formers claim unseen for themself.

If you want, watch this 4mins clip. He explained exactly what i said. He explained the difference btw the two.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t5zQ1bVrb9c
IslamRe: Muslim: Monotheist Vs Anti-monotheist by Empiree: 4:24pm On Oct 07, 2018
usermane:
May be so. But the implication of the Hadith is my utimate point. If the likes of Abu Bakr had been guaranteed paradise, the messenger would not have said; "But I do not know what you'll do after me". And Abu Bakr would not have wept.
There is another similar Hadith and there are other ahadith in the contrary. Therefore, the best position in my view is that this hadith is talking about those "companions" at the time of the prophet who later mysteriously so, renounced Islam AFTER the prophet (saw). Or those who waged war on tenets of Islam like Musaylima.

Therefore, we don't call those "companions" of the prophet (saw). They were "companions" only during his time. Perhaps they were not even believers that time too. No one could determine iman. Iman resides in the heart.
IslamRe: Muslim: Monotheist Vs Anti-monotheist by Empiree:
usermane:
The Messenger said over the martyrs of Uhud, "I testify for them." Abu Bakr as-Siddiq said, "Messenger of Allah! Are we not their brothers? We entered Islam as they entered Islam and we did jihad as they did jihad." The Messenger said, "Yes, but I do not know what you will do after me." Abu Bakr wept profusely and said, "Are we really going to out-live you!" ---------- Book of Jihad: Muwatta Malik

Hence, there is clear possibility that earlier Muslim generations were misled and have misled subsequent Muslim generations.
This is poor submission on your part.
PoliticsRe: 2019: Nigerians React As Atiku Emerges PDP Presidential Candidate by Empiree: 2:02pm On Oct 07, 2018
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IslamRe: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 2:26am On Oct 07, 2018
African American Association of Ghana Documentary


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iW2798jtpDs
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Ghanaian President Will Soon Be Under The Radar Of World Powers grin grin


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FJGydWeXln0

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Jokes EtcRe: My Hilarious Picture Album by Empiree: 11:57am On Oct 06, 2018
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This is why I hate office or professional job. You are in debt that you may never pay off before getting the job. And you may never get it anyways

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