₦airaland Forum

usermane:
Groupthink - Is the condition the writer suffers from. "Let's just do things as we met others doing". A honest response would've been admitting even mosque Imams MUST recite audibly at noon and afternoon, not silently. This is the response of those devoted to Qur'an.



Of course, for a traditionalist, history would be more authoritative than Qur'an. And community conformity must be protected even at the expense of truth.

true2god:
Can you show me where shahada is CLEARLY written and pronounced, without ambiguity, in the Qur'an?

true2god:
You can easily get the meaning by typing 'shahada' on google page and you will get the answer.

plainbibletruth:
Do you believe in Allah ALONE to be a Moslem or must you believe in Mohamed also before you can be a Moslem?

true2god:
I
The ayah (though I don't even belief in the nonsense Quran)
Asalama lekum!

plainbibletruth:
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Thank you true2god

Moslems are quick to say "Show us EXACTLY where Jesus said. ... ...." Now let empiree show us exactly where the SHAHADA is in the koran.

Let him tell us if a person can be a Moslem today by believing in Allah ALONE without believing also in Mohamed.

Quoting half verses to try to prove point is simply DECEIT. This has been used by Moslems to blind millions to the true Islam.

LadunaI:
What is death wobble?

Yeah forward ever and backward never. I believe in all spare, we'll ALWAYS go higher Insha Allah. Una just dey reap papa sweat upandan lol, its well! May Allah have mercy on their soul(Amin).

It is true people avoid Pontiac a lot and the reason been that its part is not easy to find in Nigeria. Hopefully, I find buyer soon for that jeep.

enilove:
The Egyptians had been been embalming their corpses before the death of Pharaoh and even after him. This was not the work of Allah .

There is a clear difference between the word SAVE and PRESERVATION .

I would not have replied you in anyway especially when you have stated to CURSE because of mere argument.

I don't curse people because God makes me to know that it is not wise :

Psalm 109:17-18 KJV
As he loved cursing, so let it come unto him: as he delighted not in blessing, so let it be far from him.
[18] As he clothed himself with cursing like as with his garment, so let it come into his bowels like water, and like oil into his bones.

This means that curse of insanity is not mine . You need to go and pray so that God can cancel that curse from your head.

true2god:
That's Islamic hypocrisy; always misquoting their own Koran to drive home a point. No dignity, no shame! He cannot show where we have the shahada in the Quran because it never existed. This what they call 'bida' or innovative in Islam. Mohammed never asked anyone to say the shahada before accepting islam. What early Muslims did was paying verbal allegiance to Mohammed's leadership authority among the Muslim ummah.

The shahada was introduced into Islam years after the death of Mohammed, probably by one of the khalifa.

usermane:
Salat is to be said aloud. Read and digest these verses - Qur'an 17:110. The word used is salat, not dhikr.

usermane:
Salat is to be said aloud. Read and digest these verses - Qur'an 17:101. The word used is salat, not dhikr.

enilove:
How can his physical body be saved , when his spirit and soul are gone? What is the need for that?
What is God going to do with his physical body ?

This means had Allah actually saved him , the verse would have been written NOW WE WILL SAVE YOUR SPIRIT , isn't it

true2god:
Con as in how? Hope you didnt get carried away with my asalama lekum! I was making a point you can't refute.

If you show me the shahada in the Qur'an I will become a Muslim now.

Can you show me the ayah you have the shahada in the quran? The answer is none. salama lekum!

true2god:
You are yet to show me where we have the shahada in the Quran. One cannot become a Muslim without saying the shahada, kindly show me where shahada is instructed in the Koran.

midolian:
Is it not ridiculous that David Mark has been in the senate for over 16 years? ..And if he fails to win the primaries, he will most likely run to the Senate again?

enilove:
"So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 92)
* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

kingjoe:
ur imagination is growing wild.lol we have electrical components in our cars now.yet we are not getting shocked" .please look at the positives.little maintenance .no buying of fuel.the truth is cos of fuel is what puts transportation cost high. in the next three years it would be rampant in west .they will not reduce cost of petrol engines. I can then buy 2019 range.but as regards it becoming rampant in Nigeria.maybe ten to fifteen more years.

true2god:
Ad hominem attack!

My reference to fatwa is relevant to this discussion since you make a claim that the Quran is absolute, that is supreme. If that is the case, I now ask you, which Islamic documents do the muftis or ulamas consult more extensively before making a religious ruling? The Quran or the hadith?

You also make a claim that the Qur'an contains zero or no error, do you mind of I give you scientific, historical and geographical errors in the Quran?

Concerning your last claim, you never refuted why we have many Islamic religious beliefs in the hadith that can never be found in the Quran. Can you mention any day-to-day islamic beliefs and practices that are exclusively found in the Qur'an?

Do you know the meaning of Absoluteness that you used in this context? Don't try words around if you don't know the technical reasons they are used.

Asalama lekum!

enilove:
The 2 Biblical account of death of Judas are not contradictory in that both accounts confirmed that Judas died . What can really be considered contradictory is by saying he died in one account and did not die in another account , like what is in the Quran :

The Quran tells us that Pharaoh was saved in the Red Sea and did not drown. Surah 10 :90-92 :
1)
Allah SWT says:
وَجٰوَزْنَا بِبَنِىٓ إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ الْبَحْرَ فَأَتْبَعَهُمْ فِرْعَوْنُ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ بَغْيًا وَعَدْوًا ۖ حَتّٰىٓ إِذَآ أَدْرَكَهُ الْغَرَقُ قَالَ ءَامَنْتُ أَنَّهُ ۥ لَآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّا الَّذِىٓ ءَامَنَتْ بِهِۦ بَنُوٓا إِسْرٰٓءِيلَ وَأَنَا۠ مِنَ الْمُسْلِمِينَ
"And We took the Children of Israel across the sea, and Pharaoh and his soldiers pursued them in tyranny and enmity until, when drowning overtook him, he said, "I believe that there is no deity except that in whom the Children of Israel believe, and I am of the Muslims.""
(QS. Yunus: Verse 90)
ءَآلْئٰنَ وَقَدْ عَصَيْتَ قَبْلُ وَكُنْتَ مِنَ الْمُفْسِدِينَ
"Now? And you had disobeyed [Him] before and were of the corrupters?"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 91)
فَالْيَوْمَ نُنَجِّيكَ بِبَدَنِكَ لِتَكُونَ لِمَنْ خَلْفَكَ ءَايَةً ۚ وَإِنَّ كَثِيرًا مِّنَ النَّاسِ عَنْ ءَايٰتِنَا لَغٰفِلُونَ
"So today We will save you in body that you may be to those who succeed you a sign. And indeed, many among the people, of Our signs, are heedless"
(QS. Yunus: Verse 92)
* Via the Beautiful Qur'an https:///QLwc8B

The same Quran also tells us that Pharaoh was not saved but drowned :
2)
Allah SWT says:
وَقَالَ فِرْعَوْنُ يٰٓأَيُّهَا الْمَلَأُ مَا عَلِمْتُ لَكُمْ مِّنْ إِلٰهٍ غَيْرِى فَأَوْقِدْ لِى يٰهٰمٰنُ عَلَى الطِّينِ فَاجْعَل لِّى صَرْحًا لَّعَلِّىٓ أَطَّلِعُ إِلٰىٓ إِلٰهِ مُوسٰى وَإِنِّى لَأَظُنُّهُ ۥ مِنَ الْكٰذِبِينَ
"And Pharaoh said, "O eminent ones, I have not known you to have a god other than me. Then ignite for me, O Haman, [a fire] upon the clay and make for me a tower that I may look at the God of Moses. And indeed, I do think he is among the liars.""
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 38)
وَاسْتَكْبَرَ هُوَ وَجُنُودُهُ ۥ فِى الْأَرْضِ بِغَيْرِ الْحَقِّ وَظَنُّوٓا أَنَّهُمْ إِلَيْنَا لَا يُرْجَعُونَ
"And he was arrogant, he and his soldiers, in the land, without right, and they thought that they would not be returned to Us."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 39)
فَأَخَذْنٰهُ وَجُنُودَهُ ۥ فَنَبَذْنٰهُمْ فِى الْيَمِّ ۖ فَانْظُرْ كَيْفَ كَانَ عٰقِبَةُ الظّٰلِمِينَ
"So We took him and his soldiers and threw them into the sea. So see how was the end of the wrongdoers."
(QS. Al-Qasas: Verse 40)

It wouldn't have been considered a contradiction if one surah had said "Pharaoh was "found floating on the sea dead" and another surah saying "found dead on the sea shore".

But this very Quran is the liar , a book written by man-hammad
and not God.

Can you see why it is not good to jump into conclusion without being sure of what you are doing?

If the Quran were perfect , there wouldn't have been need to support it with hearsays ( Hadiths ).

We have proved to you the idolatry in Islam and its fake or Google revelations and now , a plain contradiction and lie.

What else is there for you to learn b4 you accept Jesus Christ who raised the dead , heal the sick , created a bird from mud and died for our sins to give us eternal life ?
Jesus does not belong to anyone but to everyone.

Tomoyayi:
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I know sey you dey joke

true2god:
You cannot use the word ABSOLUTE for the Quran. Absoluteness denotes unity and there is no unity in Islamic source documents. How can you say the Qur'an is ABSOLUTE when over 80% of Islamic laws and practices (including the proclamation of fatwa) are found in the hadith and not the Quran?

The number of times a Muslim pray is not in the Quran but in the hadith.

The 5 pillars of Islam is not in the Quran but the hadith.

The number of days you should fast in not in the Quran but in the hadith.

How to perform ablution is not in the Quran but the hadith.

The shahada (sahih Bukhari 4:52:196) is not in the Quran but the hadith.

The punishment for adultery/formication is not in the Qur'an but in the hadith.

How to clean yourself, after using the restroom, is not in the Qur'an but in the hadith.

Going to mecca is not in the Qur'an but in the hadith.

Kissing the idol black stone is not instructed in the Qur'an but the hadith.

Running around the kabba shrine cannot be found in the Quran but the hadith. And so many other Islamic practices. Why then do you say the Qur'an is 'absolute' when most of Islamic practices can only be found in the hadith?

The Qur'an is of no value in Islam; it is just a book used by Muslims to deceive the kafirs. The real books Muslims used in their day-to-day religious practices is the hadith and the sirah. Stop deceiving yourself.

You make a claim that some parts of the bible is corrupt, especially the ones that refute Islamic beliefs, can you provide the incorruptible Bible, by Islamic standard, so that I can throw away the current Bible I have?

If the hadith and the sirah are not 100% reliable, why are you guys still using it? You mean the hadith and the sirah are like tomatoes that you can cherry-pick the ones that suit you and leave the rotten ones?

You have to be smart bro!

LadunaI:
Lol...jalopy vs exotic cars...that's is term to differentiate the two. Is either G.wagon, Range et al or the rest jalopy. All the same it we'll, it gradual process. People with jalopy today will upgrade to range tomorrow if God's Will.

Definitely, Insha Allah, my next car would be jeep for sure. I can see your upgrade in your SUV choice over year..From Lincoln Navigator to the present one.




Yes! Toyota is extremely popular here especially Toyota Camry (pencil), is like pure water lol. While Honda is much used in the north.

Most of those auto mechanics don't have those modern equipments, they will be using trial and error for those new cars, and God save you they don't mess up your car at the end.

So you will be looking at buying 2018 model, if this fly/sell soon. I will show a friend this if he'll be interested. He is banker anyway. He likes jeep a lot!

usermane:
Few hadith may help to understand verses,

true2god:
Your attempt at muddling things up further reveals how ignorant and/or intellectually dishonest you are, the hallmark of a true Muslim.

The Quran is never Islam's only source document; we have the Qur'an, the hadith and the sirah. The Quran is not always detailed and/or clear hence you need the sirah, the hadith and the tafsir to clear up the confusions in the Quran. All the 5 schools of Islamic jurisprudence accept this as a fact.

You can try to muddle up issues as much as you want which further exposes your dishonesty.

I laughed when you tried, again, to muddle up the prophecy of the coming of Christ, and at the same time brought Mohammed into the equation, using the Christian scripture which you Muslims claim to be 'corrupt' or had been 'corrupted'. You Muslims are 100% confused.

How is it convenient for Muslims to lie with straight face?

true2god:
Stop mixing things up bro; you are being intellectually dishonest. Read my post again, I said that the Qur'an contains less that 10% information (not history) about Islam. The sirah rasul allahh is the earliest biography about Islam and Mohammed available anywhere.

true2god:
1)The Quran does not contain how Mohammed became a fake prophet.

2)The Quran does not have information on how khadija took Mohammed to her uncle, waraqa.

3) The Quran does not tell us how Mohammed became suicidal when the so-called angel jibril attempted to choke him to death, etc. There are many things Muslims believed and taught that are in the sirah but not in the Qur'an. If some are embarrassing to Muslims, it is not my fault.

There is nowhere it was recorded that Joseph was 99 while Mary was 12 at the point they married. You can show me the document if you have any. This information is only circulated by Muslims to justify Mohammed's marriage to Aisha when she was 6.

Empiree:
1- Did Moses have any witnesses or was he foretold in any previous book to prove that he was truthful?


2- Did King David have any witnesses or was foretold in the books that came before him? How do you believe in his revelations when he slept with his neighbor's wife?


3- Did Solomon, Ezra, Isaiah, Ezekiel, Job and the rest of the Prophets foretold each others? How do you believe in Solomon's revelations when he said that his wife's "vagina tastes like wine" for him?


4- Were the Disciples of Jesus foretold in the Bible?


5- Was the Disciple Paul foretold in the Bible, since he never even met Jesus in person?


The answer to the all of the above is NO! None of the Bible's Prophets except for Jesus and Muhammad were ever foretold.

enilove:
No , I don't agree.

Rilwayne001: