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Hakeem12:
Both of you are actually delusional. Both Christians and Muslims. Both of you people are hypocrites. Each claim his own path is the only way and those that don't subscribe to it are going to hell. And if reverse were the case, if those of you born into Christian homes were born into Muslim homes and those born into Muslim homes were born in Christian homes, you guys would still defend your religion and claim it's the only path to your imaginary heaven.

you are in the wrong thread

LadunaI:
I guess as much, just want to confirm. A society where fasting period is NOT given that much importance, such activities would be extremely low compare to a place like London I think.

perhaps this begs question of invalidity of itkaf outside of the masjid.

Some might go to the remote country side in my opinion. They do recognize Ramadan very well including non-Muslims. Don't be surprised if nonMuslims say "happy Ramadan" to you. They are conscious of that. However, they see it as holiday

Generally, all these major cities tend to take away Islamic spirituality.

Maamin:
I'm doing great. Have not been seeing you that's why or it was because of the Ramadan?

lool, I was around. Maybe bcus i didn't step out of our crib

enilove:
It was him I quoted and you can find this on page 2 of this thread.

It was not an allegation , it was what he actually posted,as you can see from his post.

You said what WORLDWORLD posted is backed up by Islamic text , so also the Bible says that anyone who refuses to accept Jesus Christ will regret and end in hell.

All the same , let's pray so that the devil will not laugh at us at last.

Thanks.

quote like this one so that I can click on his moniker. Anyways, it is irrelevant now since you agree your bible claims the same.

enilove:
Since you knew this , why didn't you tell that to @ WORLD WORLD ? Below is part of his statements :

"Udatso, I believe that those missionaries who didn't eventually embrace Islam, who used to make Ahmed Dedat cry furiously by their taunting of ISLAM when he was so young died REGRETING not minding their business as it is on NAIRALAND.
"

It was his above statement that made me to remind him of how Dedat died too.

You should have told him as well that sufferings and death are tests and trials which do not necessarily determines where the person would spend eternity .

first all, you didn't quote him. Second, his statement doesn't relate. What you alleged that he said is backed by Islamic text, that some people will regret rejecting the truth of Islam. This is what Yoruba said in their famous statement: "may we not regret rejecting the truth after death".

Anyways, you should quote him for clarification..

enilove:
Your problem is that you argue blindly.

Did I deny that Ahmad Dedat did not suffer?

You said Jesus suffered which I agreed to , but the suffering of Jesus was greater than that of Dedat 100 times.

Does that now mean Dedat did not suffer ? The degree of suffering differs in life , isn't it ?

Even a 7 years old would understand my point , so stop
posting unless you have a reasonable thing to say.

you don't get it, do you?. Your initial thought was that suffering of Ahmad Deedat (ra) meant he was wrong.

enilove:
I pity you. Can't you see the end of Ahmed Dedat? He was paralysed and tormented for more than 5 years . Go and watch the video , maybe it will change you.

Go and pray to God to reveal who Muhammad was and who Jesus is to you b4 it gets too late for you.

Now you are trying to say suffering of your Jesus was good thing. You are incredible. Fact remains that if your Jesus suffering is 100 times that of Ahmad Deedat, then, your Jesus is more wrong. Simple.


Then you go on to say:

enilove:
you could see from the video of Dedat on the sick bed that he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE.

If however you are now claiming that suffering of Jesus was something positive, then, what's the point of saying Ahmad Deedat (ra) was wrong because he suffered and tormented?.


Bottomline is, suffering and death are test and trial. They don't necessarily denote positive or negative for whatever happens in their next life.

enilove:
I don't lie to prove my points , I have the fear of in me.

WHAT I SAID WAS , HE DID NOT SUFFER WHEN COMPARED WITH THE SUFFERINGS OF JESUS.

you still perambulate. Your point initially was sheikh Ahmad Deedat (ra) was terribly pained and suffered because Islam he practiced was wrong. Now you are shifting goal post.

You have said he suffered. I don't know how you gonna get out of this mess easily. Next time don't throw stone knowing too well you live in a glass house.

Fact is your Jesus suffered. And according to your initial logic, suffering denotes negativity and Hell.

LadunaI:
@emp.iree
I want to ask this, is there facilities - masjid available for brothers in your neighborhood or NY in general to perform itkaf?

I'd wanted to ask since but escaped my mind. Is there such provision for brothers and sisters to do it.

the ones I frequent near me in recent years do not do that. They are small ones.

But the big one I used to go often in the city on the upper East side allows that for both sexes far as I know bcus I remembered imam made that option available 3yrs ago. Overall it is not common

Maamin:
Lol, Empiree it's been a while, I guess you are on vacation too. Trust me these days I don't engage in long argument because it's futile. I tell it as it is and leave you to ponder on it.

I Hope you find conviction in the light of christ.

Shalom!

Well am always around. How are you?

enilove:
The pain and sufferings of Jesus cannot be compared with that of Dedat's . Infact, Dedat did not go through any pain when compared with that of Jesus. He was also physically tormented and abandoned but Dedat was not abandoned , so you are right.

You switched mouth really quick when your Jesus is involved

Okay, Deedat didn't suffer. Case closed

enilove:
Navel Quaraishi died of cancer but was at peace even till he passed away which not the case with Ahmed Dedat.

how did you know his cancer sickness was peaceful when he himself confessed the pain he went through?. There is no painless cancer

Everyone will die one way or the other but you could see from the video of Dedat on the sick bed that he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE.

So your definition of "greatly troubled and tormented" was Sheikh Ahmed Deedat(ra)?. In that case , look at highlighted phrases, that fit the death of your Jesus as described by biblical accounts. He was greatly tormented and troubled to the point of crying out loud for help on the cross. If by your logical deduction Ahmed Dedat's death was a proof that islam is false, then christianity is more false bcus your Jesus died painful death. Besides, Ahmed Deedat was not criteria we judge islam. But your Jesus is used to judge your religion cus according to you he was GREATLY TROUBLED AND TORMENTED . HE WAS CRYING FOR HELP WITH FEAR ON HIS FACE ON THE CROSS.

enilove:
I pity you. Can't you see the end of Ahmed Dedat? He was paralysed and tormented for more than 5 years . Go and watch the video , maybe it will change you.

Go and pray to God to reveal who Muhammad was and who Jesus is to you b4 it gets too late for you.

So now people should be judged by how they passed away?. There are no Christians and Jews that passed away in pain and suffering?. Christian evangelist liar, Nabeel Quraishi died of painful cancer despite given second chance by God to embrace the truth of Islam.

Ariel Sharom died after 8yrs of suffering in a coma. He suffered btw life and death for yrs. Does that mean anything to you?

Won ti de (the bandits don arrived)

anas

mamin

enilove

These 3 are tsunamis but they aren't their toughest. Thoughest christian guys are on vacation

Demmzy15:
Now check again, western news of course carried the news but the first to report wasn't them. https://www.google.com/search?q=Sufi+killed+in+Iran&client=ucweb-b&channel=sb

What do you want to achieve here though?. You can see most of the news outlet keep emphasizing "sufi" in the context.

From the link you provided goes thus

Europe new outlet

Miami Herald

Amnesty int.

Are the first 3 reporters

Next

rferl (whatever this is)

Miami herald

amnesty int.

reuters

haaretz

alaraby.uk

All these outlet emphasized on "sufi man killed.."

They have ulterior motives man. They wanna get sufi around the world to get emotional and start hating It won't work.

Hkana:
You guys should modify your posts and edit out the phone numbers

agreed. Thats why i asked to send PM for privacy reason. But then, phone contact is not private to some

Demmzy15:
alaraby isn't a Western news, I don't know why when you see news articles or posts that doesn't suite your narrative or position you automatically term them "western news". But I'm sure if it was Saudi Arabia that executed him, even if it's from the Israelis you'll pounce on it. The clarification by AlBaqir is kinda fair but yours doesn't make any sense at all!

Come up with something better as excuse not this "western news antics", it's nauseating and boring?

Well, when i googled the title what came up from the first 10 on my search engine are Western media outlets. I only see abcnews, london mail etc. So keep guessing pal.


***modified***

Just researched again and i noticed the same. However, the top list says alarab.co.uk. Next after that are bunch of abcnew and another london new outlet then jakarta. The last result is Iran news media itself. Iran news simply says in the headline "Iran executed a man". It made no mention of any adjective next to it.

ladkud:
I haven't receive any 08060221449. Jazakallah khaira

i know. it is processed accordingly so bear with me. You probably gonna be the last to be credited.

gunnersway:
First of all, you have got to break it off with her. And u say she's trying to blackmail you into the relationship with pregnancy. Well I am 100% sure the baby is not yours, who knows how long your cousin has been bleaping her? And then again, you have got to tell close relatives or friends about it since you said that u are scared your cousin might hurt you so everyone will know in case anything happens to you. And then again tell the girl the truth, she needs a break from that guy cos she seems to be in more danger than you. The guy is married and he would do anything to make sure his wife doesn't find out, and let's assume the worst happens and the wife finds out. Won't the wife hurt the girl? Dude I see you love her, so talk to her with all the love u can muster, it's hard but if u have really loved her before then you can still advice her. Take a break from her and don't judge her mistakes,we are who we are.

I don't even think it is his business to advise her of looming danger. She puts herself into it. She should handle it all by herself. Op should sit back and watch and cut off contact with her 100%. But i do agree with you that he should inform family member of his cousin action for precautionary purposes.

dvkot:
bro eeh, I would av done that but she's trying to trap me with a baby, and also I can't imagine drilling the same well with my elder cousin... honestly I think I will also find a way to hurt her emotionally not physically... same bitch text me dz Morin DT she will never cheat on me, she loves me bla, bla, and I told her jokingly told her to break up instead of cheating on me. I just weak

bro, block her. Do you have blocking feature on your phone?. Please do. You have no reason to be communicating with silly human. Talking to her further will melt your heart and'll eventually give in.

But guess what, she will do it again. I won't advice you sleep with her. Block her forever and move on no matter how hard it is.

dvkot:
srry my hand is shaking I can't even think well, just want to talk to someone

how you felt i quite understandable. Listen to first comment. He's on point.

udatso:
Butterflyleo

The first was creation of the Islam for Muslim thread. Though I wasn't active on nairaland when it happened but I heard beer parlor rumor of se.un was issued fatwa and a threat to his life made him create a separate section for Muslims.....this was never confirmed as he never denied it nor affirm it. I believe you are a reasonable person and taking rumoured gossip as fact is beneath you

Chai, i was not aware of this. I hope it was false. And thanks for the rest. I was aware of the second one. That got on my nerve. I think that was 2014. I still remember those products of rape by bandits caused hell of trouble.

We need to be very careful in this tough times with the way media word their headlines. Most reports on this issue is reported by western media. They know Sufis have soft spot for Iran/shi'i. Be careful they might have bigger plan. Why not simply say "Iran hangs a man...." Mohammad Salas himself appears to be Iranian. And they got it wrong for saying Iran frowns at sufism and see it as "deviation". Now, this really tells me the media is on a mission. Sufism is alive in Iran very well for a long time. Not just in Iran but also in Shi'ism.

They might be trying to get sufis to clash with Iran/shi'i. That aside, I am not in position to verify details of this incident. But what is clear is that what they reported happened to Mohammad Salas is very well alive in western world. It is not new at all.This so called amnesty international are hypocrites. If they really care about human rights, Palestinians are there, kashmir are there Burmese are there but they prefer to cause schism among muslims. Don't fall for their antics.

The issue of Mohammad Salas is local one. So they should worry about important things and let human right groups in iran handle this one.

Three (3) more to be satisfied

ladkud

Bakar1

Yasolan

tintingz:
So you think walking and covering the whole body is the solution? The girls and women that were kidnapped in northern Nigeria were they walking nake.d?

you mixed up.

Who's provoking who? You mean women only provoke?

ask NYC police officers they would tell you. I posted something about this 3yrs ago. Any anytime your hear "rape" what comes to mind?. Answer that sincerely. Minus men who transgressed, provocative dress by women is a big factor.

Men and women are the same in psychological sense, if we're not we won't have women becoming leaders in some contries, we won't have wealthy business women.

there is nothing in Islam that prevent women from pursing their dreams. But then, the way works that advocate for women's rights, how many of them actually have women leadership?. Why don't they have women only presidential candidates?. Goes to show you by default, men are maintainance and sustainance of women.

In Sharia, women don't actually have same right as men correct me if I'm wrong, properties are not even given to female child or a less portion is given correct me if I'm wrong, so tell me how does divorce favor women in Sharia law when it favors men most?

lol, you have no idea why Allah gave large portion of inheritance to men. Shaking my head. I wish you live in the US of A and marry a lawyer. She would deliberately divorce you and rip you off in court g your properties. You would be loving Islamic law fast fast.

That's not even the case how does marriage control the homeless children in northern Nigeria?

that's Nigeria economy and lawlessness. Not marriage institution in itself.

Freewill and predestination cannot exist together, it doesn't make any sense, how can you tell me one life has been predestined by an all-knowing God and as well has freewill?

I can only wish I find the thread and repost. Was explained there. This is gonna be endless argument. Hopefully I have time to re-engage some day.

tintingz:
This is 21st century oga wake up, how do you still think men can retrain full adults specie called women?

That's it. The hadith in this regard is not static.

Women are now informed, they are now being in high position even countries like Saudi Arabia are now evolving in women rights.

So the best achievement is by walking around naked and provoking men?. And the whole idea of seeking their husband permission before anything especially going will forever make sense even in 22nd century. Nigeria alone should teach you that lesson. See the rate at which they get kidnapped women and no one knows their whereabout until they are found dead?. Oga, there is diff btw women's rights and these nonsense they turn the world in to. Islam always have women's right.

Can a women tell her boyfriend what to do and listen?

Dont get it wrong. Women can also offer advise, idea etc.

If she can't why do you expect same result from women?

this is why the world is messed up. Men and women aren't the same. Let me tell you that you may be surprised if your girlfriend dumps you bcus she wants a controlling boyfriend or husband. I have personally experienced a woman told me she wants a her man to tell her what to do. Don't believe in the idea of some of them that they dont want a man telling them what to do. If you allow them to do anything they want, you will surprised she will dump you bcus she feels insecure. Her security is threatening by that. Men and women arent the same, buddy. They can be unpredictable.

Babymama is a personal choice for some women, not everyone wants to marry, it's not like marraige actually make nothern Nigeria a better place or does it?

Yes, personal choice but she is not protected. Her rights from her man is off the table. Why do you think Janet married Arab guy and then opted out later?. Bcus she knows too well she can not get those right if she was only his baby mama. So at least, those women in northern nigeria still able to take their husband to sharia court. They have rights compared to if they are just baby mamas. She can not take him to court for full benefits for herself except for the child. If not for good economy in America, you think these young ladies having babies anyhow would be any better?. Wallah if America is poor, they would not be having babies anyhow cus they have to pay it all by themselves.

If you start from the root of questioning "did God know what will become of human beforehand" is taken serious with open mind by you folks, you will get your answers.

I know where you driving at with this. I posted about this a yr or two ago and you participated. So i still dont know why this is an issue to shun existence of God. It is pretty much a waste of time dwelling over this. Whether you like it or not, free will exist. Divine guidance or destiny also exist.

tintingz:
Even as a man i will tell you through out history men are the ones that committed atrocities, slavery, oppress the women folks for centuries and you are telling me some Petty things about women?

When I said your religion is gendered base you will say I'm lying.

I followed some part of the argument, wether plot of women is greater or not is irrelevant, the relevant question you folks need to ask is the root, did Allah know what will become of humans beforehand?

i understand men are engineer behind what women become today. But this doesn't absolve them of allegation levied against them by the hadith.

Another hadith reiterates this by saying a time will come when man will have to cohesively retrain his wife(from fasad). This is happening of course. If you can not retrain them you lose them. That's why, look at baby mama situation. Their boyfriend can not tell them what to do especially in the West cus they can walk away of relationship anytime. They have baby with you now and they are ready to go out with another man days after given birth.


As for other thing you said, i am sure we discussed it before

LadunaI:
Sister the "Plot of Women" no be here ooo . Even the Best of Makind (saw) alluded to that in this hidith.

Sahih al-Bukhari, Menstrual Periods
Book 6, Hadith 9
Narrated 'Abu Sa`id Al-Khudri:
Once Allah's Messenger (pbuh) went out to the Musalla (to offer the prayer) o `Id-al-Adha or Al-Fitr prayer.

Then he passed by the women and said, "O women! Give alms, as I have seen that the majority of the dwellers of Hell-fire were you (women)."

They asked, "Why is it so, O Allah's Messenger (pbuh) ?"

He replied, "You curse frequently and are ungrateful to your husbands. I have not seen anyone more deficient in intelligence and religion than you. A cautious sensible man could be led astray by some of you."

The women asked, "O Allah's Messenger (pbuh)! What is deficient in our intelligence and religion?"

He said, "Is not the evidence of two women equal to the witness of one man?"

They replied in the affirmative.

He said, "This is the deficiency in her intelligence. Isn't it true that a woman can neither pray nor fast during her menses?"

The women replied in the affirmative.

He said, "This is the deficiency in her religion."

highlighted part reminds of of Egyptian muazzin of 30 yrs. Never missed masjid. His story was narrated twice by Sheikh Daud Alfa Nla in two separate lectures. It was said that he had been sighting half naked egyptian christian lady for some times now whenever she passed through the masjid. But she didnt notice that muazzin got crush on her.

One day muazzin could not hold himself. When it was time for salat he did not make a call when he saw the lady passed by again. He quickly followed her to enquire about her. Upon meeting her, the lady recognized him quite well. She said aren't you the man who called to salat everyday?. He acknowledged and quickly proposed to the lady. The lady said he can not marry her bcus he is muslim and she is a christian and her parents would not tolerate her conversion to islam.

She said before discussing further, he would need to meet her father if he is so willing to marry her. So they set up to meet her father the same day. Her father lived in a uncompleted storey building where their meeting took place. Her father also knew muazzin so he would not give his daughter in marriage to him unless he converts to christianity. The man said that's not a problem and he gave his life to christ in the open and converted to christianity. And shortly after declaration, he slipped and he fell from this elevated building and died.

Not saying this is women's plot. Just a related narration.

tintingz:
The majority dwellers of hell fire will be women.

I'm done.

I am sure you dont understand a thing from the hadith he cited. Besides, look around you today, LOTS of women are very ungrateful. Buy paradise for them they are still ungrateful to you save few. And look at their dressing....especially in the Western world in summer. So tempting.

SacredMustang:


Good girl... all she's waiting for is just for the man to kick the bucket in few years time, and everything becomes hers in the twinkle of an eye...




Who else thinks this girl is smart for marrying her ancestor.?

I dont even know why you guys think every White man and woman is rich just for being white. You people are yet to change your disfunctioned mentality?. The old man may be as poor as average nigga. Bunch of White people live on food stamps (SNAP) especially old one like this. Do your research and thank me later

Alhajiemeritus:
Pm not working.

Number is 08108169276

you didn't specify your network provider

Alhajiemeritus:
Pm not working.

Number is 08108169276

ok, noted.