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usermane:
He says the Book is not infallible, but to accept some particular Hadith in it to be inauthentic(confirming its fallibility) as you have claimed, he needs you to prove so by subjecting those Hadith through Science of Hadith and reveal what particularly makes those Hadith inauthentic.

I know what he meant. But, again, since I dont have problem with hadith collectors, i see no reason to go and pinpoint ahadith which are inauthentic. It doesnt make sense to me as a person. Besides, neither you nor him or his likes would take me serious. what is dis-servicing to these great men who collected ahadith, is to deliberately pinpoint hadith either for ideological or sectarian differences which I am not interested. I can only criticize a hadith spontaneously during discussion. And even at that, i have to do some investigation before i come to that conclusion. I do not have record of demonizing hadith online or offline and it is not going to start now.

I am not looking to disparage anyone. I spot the holes already and it is up to you to prove me wrong. Cherry-picking Sahih Hadith after giving credence to the science of Hadith is hypocritical, a betrayal of the efforts of the Hadith scholars. Worse still, it open doors for any Muslim to subjectively accept or reject Hadith without consistency, proper methodology or sincerity. I feel you and many traditional Muslims are already guilty of this.

The same way you spotted holes without giving your own scholarly view. I dont have to. Preliminary standard I use to determine sahih Bukhari and others can not be 100% is because the people who complied them in the absence of prophet(SAW)'s supervision is bound to have some errors. That's common sense. That's my STANDARD. And that's all i was trying to establish. I have no intention of going after a particular hadith.

Underlined, that's why it is not for every TOM, Dick and Harry. Thats why i said earlier that one should not reject hadith just bcus it doesnt fit one's intellect. Usually if i have problem with a hadith but majority are cool with it i dont say anything out of respect for them unless when it is absolutely necessary. I dont go about authenticating or demonizing any hadith as I deem fit. I believe if a hadith is controversial, it should simply be investigated instead of simply throwing it out or saying "scholars considered it valid....full stop". Giving credence to "Science of hadith" does not mean the whole hadith is valid.



Okay, you know what?. I will give you what you want. This is my standard. The way i determine hadith depends on it importance.

If a hadith has a major impact in making obligatory decisions and it conforms with Quran, it is given GREEN LIGHT.


If hadith is in direct conflict with Quran, I simply place it at the bottom on my "waiting list" meaning, it falls within WEAK or FABRICATION


If hadith is neutral i:e neither conform nor against Qur'an, and has no weight in Islamic decision, I hold on to it without giving my opinion until a situation or condition occurs. I pay close attention to details around me like politics, modern economy, social or current affairs etc, to see if the hadith may be active. I dont throw baby out with bath water.

This method does not interfere with "science" employed by early scholars or the chains or narrators etc. No. i simply do not worry about that. I believe that it's necessary sometimes to review or re-access opinion of scholars but doesnt mean we have to condemn them entirely. I believe Islam evolves on matters that are flexible and should be understood with TIME. This should be done by scholars. That's why Muslims need new scholars with backbone made of steel and iron. Not scholars made of recycle paper like you

There is no flexibility in obligatory Rituals.

nutarious:
please, can u help me with a link to this book??

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9--oR6s2cL0

Plappvillemoi:
If you take it that the Pope worshiped ur fabricated alla.h, then you will also agree buddhists worship ur all.have too. See picture for prove..

Yes, that's act of worship. But when it comes to theology that's where the differences are. In the pictures, Muslims bow to God. Buddhists bow or prostrate to "Triple Gem" indicating they bow to Buddha. Christians bow to Jesus, Mary, Paul. So that's the difference.

When Muslims bow, our forehead touches the ground. We dont kiss it. Bowing is worship. Does your Popes have evidence in your Bible to kiss the floors when they visit someplace?. Pope bowing and kissing the ground is not what Jesus did. Jesus worship God (Allah) when he bowed his head).

nutarious:
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the link is bloocked or removed from dropbox, can u help me with a link or help me send it sire??

Blocked bcus it is fake. Jesus cursed the hell out of him. That's why

usermane:
He demand you to employ the science of Hadith in proving Sahih Bukhari is not 100% authentic. So get your butt up, given that the science of Hadith is the criterion for determining the authenticity of an Hadith by traditional Muslim scholars, it doesn't seem he or anyone is placing you in a hostile position with Bukhari.

Welldone my man. But you failed to see that he already admitted it is not 100% accurate. That's all I wanted to know. I am not the one making fun of Sahih Bukhari collections and i see no reason for me to do that. I defend his collections more than the questioners. For you, I know you well. You just looking for more holes to disparage "mainstream" as you proudly call us and make yourself feel good

parisbookaddict:
Lol.. muslims and al taqiyya. . Wow..

I didn't know muslims kissed the floor..
Are u actually ignorant or being deceitful. I tot i explained this to u last year..

when the pope arrives a country , no one approachs him until he knees and kisses the floor. He also says a brief prayer for the country. This is how all popes start their mission in every country. And that why there is a plane behind him..

Now go and be ignorant no more.

You all can deceive yourselves. Kissing the ground upon visiting a country denotes "love"?. That's silly superstitious "love". http://www.catholic.com/quickquestions/why-does-the-pope-kiss-the-ground-after-he-disembarks-from-an-airplane

And yet, you folks poke fun of muslims. What is this non-sense kissing filthy floor every time they visit a strange lands?. Probably someone already poo poo on the ground and smells like SH!T


Fact is they corrupted prophetic tradition. The proper way is the way muslims do it. Pope Benedict didnt do that during his brief time bcus he knows it is a silly practice to sniff the ground like OBUKO in the name of "affection" and "love". Who knows if your popes indulge in some leptospirosis.


Billy Connolly once described the Pope as "a nutter who goes around kissing airports"

^ this is serious. I am aware actually and some brothers have directly and indirectly advised them. I think no.1 problem is they think knowledge of islam is restricted to Arabia They do not trust scholars outside of that region. You notice this anytime names other than Saudi scholars are mentioned, they snubbed,

What they don't understand is Saudi shuyukh are famous by the virtues of Makkah and Medina. I already achieved what i wanted. That is Sahih Bukhari is NOT 100% as they portrayed. Thank God they just confirmed it. That's all my point. I am not interested digging XYZ ahadith to proof that.

There are other bunch of authentic narrations in Sunnah Abu Daud, Tirmidhi, Muwatta Malik, ibn Maja, musnad hamad, especially that speak about prophecies that dont sit well with the Kingdom.

Drinkwater06:
Yes according to truth man and malvisguy2012

Exactly

Honestly, Mr prez needs to speak up on this issue.

VulgarVulvas:
The Kwara slave has spoken.

you funny my laughter is CONTAGIOUS

parisbookaddict:
i am a catholic and very open minded since i oppose questionable dogmas in all areas of life. the catholic church has defended Christianity for centuries. from preserving christian texts and compiling the bible to forming the very controversial crusades to combat jihadists. today even ignorant protestants condemn the Christians who fought in the crusades. the catholic church has been ridiculed because of the crusades.

the catholic church has become soft when it comes to islam, yes i know. what is ur own alternative. violence? more crusades ?

But your catholic master prayed like muslim, why not you

Drinkwater06:
You are a Catholic.. I have always said it. But evidently you are not a proud Catholic, are you?

Confused transgender

Catholics are kufar, right?

Yiou know what he says before going down in the sajda (bowing)?

He said "Allah Akbar because there is no way a muslim goes down like that without uttering the phrase

But bunch of christians have said catholic is heretic proud kafir. Catholic is the largest christian sect. If yiu condemned them, it means christianity is actually less than or around 1b.

Yeye de smell


By the way one of your Popes made sajda to Allah. Is he a Kafir?. Why y'all hiding the truth?

I don't think you should call them Ahlu Fitna Wal-Jama'ah though. I know the brother gets foul mouth (not lexiconkabir ) but the way we going about differences in mordern time, I don't think we can be in-laws as time goes.

lexiconkabir:
And never did i use 100% for Bukhari, you can point out where i said or implied so, you must have misunderstood my first post for "infallibility" of sahih Bukhari..... Whereas only the book of Allaah is infallible...

That was newnas who said that but unfortunately you backed him up

There are the five procedures you'll go through;

A connected Isnaad (chain) of narrators: Nobody narrates from their teacher's teacher, for example; everybody met in person and heard directly from the person who narrated to them.

All narrators are known, trustworthy, and righteous: They don't commit major sins in public. We know them (their biography), i.e. it's not "someone named X told me ..."

Precision and Accuracy of Narrators: All the narrators in the chain are known to have strong memories and narrate accurately.

Doesn't Conflict Known Hadith: If there's one hadith that conflicts a well-known larger body of hadith, it can become rejected.

No Hidden Defects: This is a technical requirement, and refers to tadlees (subtly hiding who you are narrating the hadith from) among other things.

So you have to tell us whats wrong with the hadith using those five requirements....

I think you doing yourself disservice now. I simply pointed out that sahih Bukhari can not be 100% and you just confirmed that. You seem to be placing me in hostile position with Bukhari. This should rather be directed at baqir. I'm not going to be digging and finding faults unless when it's absolutely necessary.

lexiconkabir:

Ofcourse Ahl Sunnah wal jama'ah do not believe in the infallibility of any book except the book of Allaah, but labelling Bukhari's book as sahih is not wrong due to objective research done as regards the ahadith in it....

Doesnt this contradict everything you've been saying?. Isn't the same thing I have been saying all along?. I do not dispute using "Sahih". I only disputed saying it is 100%. There is difference btw the two.

Maybe you didnt get the point i was trying to make, let me word it in another way, I will not waste my time on criticism done solely on whims and desires, anyone criticising an hadith in bukhari must do that from a scholarly angle, and when i say scholarly angle, I'm not telling you to quote scholars (like you assumed) but follow the academic process in which an hadith is being scrutinized, thats all i ask, if the criticism are valid, by Allaah, i will accept them....... I hope you now understand me?

What is more academic than what we are doing here?. Is there another definition for it?. Have I really quoted scholar?. You and newnas been doing that. I am not here to criticize just any hadith of Bukhari. You read my last post wrong actually or you simply missed it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vbgsicc0T3k&index=84&list=PL2CFF13F919500A5B

"Alfa" Habeeb


http://naijagists.com/photos-meet-nigerias-first-transgender-muslim-alfa-habeeb-lawal-now-noni-salma-in-new-york-disowned-by-family/

http://naijagists.com/new-york-based-nigerian-transgender-muslim-alfa-habeeb-lawal-noni-salma-renounces-islam/

lexiconkabir:
If they sound absurd to you then its really not anybody's problem, as for that khabees lifting texts from Bukhari to "expose"(as he claims) sahih Bukhari, i really dont have anything to defend because he has not given us anything (from a scholarly point of view) to show that those ahadith are defective, what he is doing is the same thing those christians did when they opened the thread about the procedures on how to use the toilet, they made so much fun of it because it sounds absurd to them, so this is the exact thing that khabees is doing, if you like keep being apologetic to him, mind you, i will keep repeating it, ALL THE TEXTS IN SAHIHUL BUKHARI ARE AUTHENTIC! if you feel its not, then tell us what's wrong with it , maybe the isnad or the adl(of the narators) or the matn from a scholarly view.

seems you didnt read newnas' comment i just quoted where he confirmed scholars faulted some narrations in Sahih Bukhari.

Apologetic?. I guess you used that wrongly. I am the least to do that.

You actually dont need his scholarly view before you challenge him. I bet he's just playing sectarian card. This same hadith on Yawning, I am sure he will defend it in another related topic if or when it opens. He's just pulling your legs here becus of ideological differences. He NEVER believes (SAW) is just ordinary human being. I didnt bother saying anything on that cus he knows very well what hes doing

As for those christians, i dont stress over those nincompoops. There is nothing to refute. They have made up their minds. All i can do is play along with their brains except for the new one truly seeking answer. However, i disagree with you again for saying Sahih Bukhari is 100%. That's the most ridiculous thing to say when there are clear ridiculous stuff in it. I dont think i need to cite example. That's your homework. I think you brothers are doing same thing you accused other sects of - TAQLEED because scholar's opinion is the final and that's it. You forgot that they usually sign off with "Wallahu Ta'ala Allam"


They are scholars because they worked hard to achieve it. The hadith he quoted about Yawning requires research. You can't just quote the hadith and say "it is authentic" without your own intellectual research on it or at least edit some pre-existing researches. You think i just came up with my replies to baqir?. Not at all. I did my own research and concluded it cant be fabricated hadith. It is not mandatory to believe it either. But what is worse is to just claim it is authentic becus scholars said so, especially if hadith is controversial.

Sheik Imran Hussein would say the worst kind of students are those who agree with everything their teacher says without brilliant objection. He said if you keep agreeing with your teacher, a time would come when you are alone and challenged but you wont be able to defend yourself other than to say "awon alfa wa so pe". In that case opinion of scholar may be irrelevant at the time.

There is nothing wrong doing your independent research contrary or in conformity with scholar doesnt really matter. I did my research on Yawning hadith, inserted my findings, and even edited pre-existing scholarly works before i replied him. So it is not enough to say someone is deviant just to excommunicate the person. That's absolutely irrelevant. Qur'an exhorts us to use aql that Allah gave to us. Our intellect is not to be laying dummy in our brain. The problem you brothers are having which is quite understandable is, "if past scholars do not fault a hadith, who the hell is us to fault it."

I have seen many put up arguments like that. But unfortunately, other than obligatory practices, any other questionable narrations are subject to scrutiny. Actually i already gave example earlier twice but neither of you respond to it. Another one is "literal descriptions of Allah" in Sahih hadith. That one is just messed up.

lexiconkabir:
So in nutshell you believe that the sunnah has been tampered with even when Allaah said he will protect it?

Newnas said this not too long ago. Yet telling us here Sahih Bukari 100%

Newnas:
You don't get it, Soheehul Bukharee is not infallible, in fact a number of scholars have mentioned a few errors in the book such as Albany and a number of scholars before him. So it's not the book that is a fundamental if the religion.

The acceptance and belief in the report of reliable (in religious uprightness and memory) narrators, from Generation to the next without any cut in the chain is a fundamental of our religion.
Any report that satisfies the five conditions of a reliable report must be accepted:

# Religious uprightness of the men in its chain

# Tested and trusted memory of the men in its chain

# The chain must be joined not cut i.e each narrator must have heard it from his sheikh, and his sheikh from his own sheikh and so on till the end.
Not some people just found some books from their sheikhs and rely on them because some dotard said "it's the truth'!

#It must not contradict the report of those who are more reliable than him either in reliability or number.

# It must not have hidden defects.

these five conditions have a lot of explanations, and thousands (maybe millions) of books have been written to explain the finest details.

So, the reports of soheehul bukharee satisfies these conditions the most among books for the following reasons:

#Imam Bukharee is a mountain of hadith, his memory is the peak

#His reliability is also the peak because of his undoubted piety, from what we know. And we judge by what we see, only Allah knows the unseen.

# Bukharees knowledge and understanding of the science of hadith and the strength of reports is unrivalled. A great indicator is that Imam Muslim, the author of the great Soheeh is a student of Bukharee, though it is said that muslim had finished his book before meeting bukharee.

# Imam Bukharee specifically write his book on authentic reports only. Not just authentic, but purely authentic.

# Imam Bukharee dreamt that he was wiping flies of the Prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam, this was interpreted to mean that he would cleanse the prophet's sunnah from the lies of people like your sheikhs.

# Scholars, generation after generation have tested and revised the book and have found its reliability and consistence to be of the peak.

# Imam Bukharee observed Solah of istikhaarah before adding any report to his book.

#Bukharee even gave an extra condition after the regular ones to ensure that only the most authentic reports are relied on.

To be continued...

As for the "Sunna" you keep talking about, nothing is tampered with when it comes our obligatory rituals. They are protected. As you can see, there is no disagreement amongst muslims except the Qur'aniyun. "Recommended sunnah" amongst them are corrupted like we've have discussing so far. I mean things like some ridiculous narrations. Many of them are fact , a lot more are bogus. We are free to accept or reject them. So Sunna in voluntary practices is what i am talking about. As you can see, that's where they attack islam the most. They lost anytime they attack our obligatory rituals (Salat, Zakat, Ramadan, Hajj)

Seun:
You don't believe that Muhammad never yawned, yet you believe that Jesus never undressed a woman in his mind.

AlBaqir:
Did Prophet yawn or not? Allah says shaytan can never near or control his devoted servants. It is part of human measure (Qadar) that if you are feeling sleepy or hungry or tired or low oxygen in your lung, you yawn to expel excess carbon dioxide.

My recent research implies that "low on oxygen" is the 'cause' of yawning is a myth. From scientific point of view there is no conclusive evidence that yawning is as a result of inadequate oxygen. They are yet to determine it cause. The hadith appears to be ahead of scientific findings. A doctor was asked if inadequate oxygen causes his client to yawn?



His reply was, Most of us yawn more often in the early morning and late evening. Does it mean you’re tired? Bored? Not getting enough oxygen? [size=13pt]It turns out that we actually know very little about why we yawn.[/size] Dr. Anthony Komaroff, Harvard Medical School

Dr. K as he is fondly called said further that when he was in medical school, 'one of my teachers speculated that yawning was a response to low oxygen or high carbon-dioxide levels. That theory was fairly common. It was also plausible: When we open our mouths and take in a deep breath, we take oxygen into the body and expel carbon dioxide. Carbon dioxide is waste produced by the body’s cells and needs to be eliminated.

Unfortunately, the theory that yawning reflects low oxygen or high carbon dioxide levels isn’t true. Yawning occurs even when oxygen and carbon dioxide levels are normal. And research has shown that volunteers do not yawn less after being exposed to high oxygen levels, and do not yawn more after being exposed to high levels of carbon dioxide.'



The above ^ throws the theory of low oxygen in the garbage bin. So basically, there is no definitive cause of yawning. The current "causes" doctors could come about are numerous.

AlBaqir:
You have simply deviated from the literal meaning of the hadith. "Yawning is from Shaitan" is what the hadith says not "Shaitan loves to see a person yawn". hadith: shaitan laughs when we yawn

@underline, Besides, on what basis was the so-called interpretation is based? Another hadith or senses?

@bold, that is another baloney of lies. No be only fullness of stomach that cause you yawn abeg. However if you can substantiate your point with strong evidence that shaitan laughed [b]only to the yawning of fullness of stomach. That might be more sensible[/b]
.

The particluar Hadiths are:


Bukhari: Book 4: Volume 54: Hadith 509
“Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of you (during the act of yawning) should say: 'Ha', Satan will laugh at him."


Muslim: Book 42: Hadith 7130
“The son of Abu Said al-Khudri reported on the authority of his father that Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: When one of you yawns, he should keep his mouth shut with the help of his hand, for it is the devil that enters therein.”


Fact is, not every Yawn is from Shaitan. The yawning come between the prayers are considered as from Satan particularly a act from Satan. Or when you try to do dhikr overnight, Shaitan tries to prevent you, make you drowsy and yawn to discourage you from getting close to Allah. From this sense, yes, yawning comes from Shaitan. The below hadith confirms which yawning is from Satan



Hadith - Mishkat, Narrated AbuHurayrah , transmitted by Tirmidhi and Ibn Majah.

"Allah's Messenger said, Yawning in prayer is an act of Shaytan, so when one of you yawns he should restrain it as much as possible. In another version it the word are: He should place his hand upon his mouth.


From the above source it is confirmed that the yawning during the prayers are from Satan. Where as physical yawn is not from Satan.


Other Related Ahadith:


Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Yawning is from Shaytaan, so if any of you feels the urge to yawn, let him resist it as much as he can." (Muslim, 2994)



Abu Hurayrah reported that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: "Sneezing is from Allaah and yawning is from Shaytaan. If any of you yawns, let him place his hand over his mouth. If he says ‘Ah, ah!’ (makes a noise when yawning), Shaytaan laughs from inside him." Abu ‘Eesaa said: this is a saheeh hasan hadeeth. (Sunan al-Tirmidhi, no. 2746; classified as hasan by al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Jaami’, 4130)


According to another report also narrated by Imaam Ahmad, Shaytaan enters when a person yawns. (Saheeh al-Jaami’, 426)

So the basis for my interpretation is by bringing ALL related ahadith to derive meaning. @highlighted, I didnt use ONLY. You put that in. I didnt say Yawning ONLY caused by Shaitan


And yes, Prophet (saw) NEVER Yawned. I dont see record of that. This further proves that "Yawning" mentioned in the ahadith might be in the context of not being devoted enough to Allah. Matter, I notice this matter was discussed on NL before by Seun and co years ago

https://www.nairaland.com/47056/mohammed-never-yawned-all-life

AlBaqir:
You have simply deviated from the literal meaning of the hadith. "Yawning is from Shaitan" is what the hadith says not "Shaitan loves to see a person yawn".

@underline, Besides, on what basis was the so-called interpretation is based? Another hadith or senses?

@bold, that is another baloney of lies. No be only fullness of stomach that cause you yawn abeg. However if you can substantiate your point with strong evidence that shaitan laughed only to the yawning of fullness of stomach. That might be more sensible



All the above are just analogy. None of them support their analogy with clear evidence. Period.

Newnas, over to you. Where art thou?

[size=15pt]Pope Francis:[/size] I don’t like to speak of Islamic violence, because every day, when I browse the newspapers, I see violence, here in Italy… this one who has murdered his girlfriend, another who has murdered the mother-in-law… and these are baptized Catholics! There are violent Catholics! If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence . . .



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kz-t2P8O6_c

WORDWORLD:
The U.S.A.

So what do these Christians have to say about this Christian nation with s!xual immorality borne out of s!xual revolution instead of channeling their energy on Islam and Muslims and Northern part of Nigeria?. Why are they playing Holier than thou?

WORDWORLD:
The Economy is a factor but the MAJOR FACTOR is the sexual revolution that took place in the 60s. I have done a study on that.................I gat to go. Take care.

You mean Nigeria or in the US @highlighted?

Ok, later.

WORDWORLD:
Have you checked the statistics of TEENNAGE pregnancy in the U.S.A..........for crying out LOUD? Is the LIES of the 6th century responsible for thank. check out the Rankings of TEENAGE PREGNANCY in the World and tell us where Predominantly Muslim countries lie.

You used the NORTHERS as an example................While Islam is a Universal concept.

WHO IS THE ONE WHOSE EDUCATION EQUALS TO ILLIITERACY HERE?

www.perfectinsider.com/top-10-countries-with-highest-teenage-pregnancy-rate/

I was going to say this. It seems the dude is not informed. pls go through my profile you will see my new thread titled "Hot Topic". I invited everyone to read. The thread talks about that.

There are bunch of 25-30yrs old grandma and grandpa in the US. It has nothing to with with what the dude said. Besides, the reason 30 yrs old grandma in the US is not blamed is bcus economy is good. Govt automatically gives its fair share for the baby. That's why they give birth early. These christians are bunch of hypocrites

babajeje123:
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I don't have mb to waste on you guys. Kindly continue to wash your dick with sand & leaves. And when you want to sleep with your wife, blindfold her she doesn't see it.

parisbookaddict:
Dude pray hard so jinns don't fly in ur bum.. That's what Mohammed the mentally imbalanced fellow thought.. Do U see why sane people don't take him serious..

U clean ur bum with Stone and sand.. U avoid looking at ur Instruments.. In all honesty do U do all this crap

Stupid rules that show a man with serious mental health issues.. Empires U are far smart than Mohammed, if U actually went to college.. You should be muhammads prophet..

annunaki2:
Olodo, there several laws on cleanliness and even sanitation in the bible(leviticus 15) which precedes islam by at least 3,000 years so stop exposing your ignorance in public.

naijadeyhia:
Dude that muhammad was beyond crazy....wait he forgot to mention the kind of sand....sharp sand or plaster sand or silt or clay?

Islamabad

[size=21pt]Bunch of PRODUCTS of RAPE by Bandits[/size] filled with extraordinary CARNAL MIND

Oh well, am not gonna respond to the first part. Our inputs are understandable. I know you just playing sectarian card. That's okay. I am trying to help newnas out. Thats all.

AlBaqir:
Which spiritual dimension? How is yawning, which is part of human fitrah (how our Lord created us), is from shaytan? Did Prophet yawn or not? Allah says shaytan can never near or control his devoted servants. It is part of human measure (Qadar) that if you are feeling sleepy or hungry or tired or low oxygen in your lung, you yawn to expel excess carbon dioxide.

Bros you are sensible than all these unless you've joined the bandwagon of Ahlu Fitnah wal Jama'ah.

For this, the phrase, "Yawning Is From Shaytan" is euphemism. I know it is natural instinct and also has to do with our body mechanism. I wanted to see newnas objection or support for my replies to you but unfortunately he was busy criticizing me on irrelevancies. I dont have problem with body being low in oxygen causing human to yawn etc. I am saying that the hadith is not necessarily false if understood beyond literal value as worded in the hadith. I did my research before posting 'YAWNING IS FROM SHAYTAN' Was only expecting newnas and supporters to say something bcus they are the one who claimed Sahih hadith is 100%.

So far, they quiet and left me to deal with you. Was not interested earlier until you raised it now. Anyways, the hadith with its interpretation is clear to make some sense. The Hadith is saying Shaytaan likes to see a person yawning because it makes him look different and so he laughs at him. It does not mean that the Shaytaan is the one who makes him yawn. And it was said that yawning is attributed to the Shaytaan because yawning comes from fullness of the stomach, which generates laziness, which happens under the influence of the Shaytaan.



Al-Nawawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: Yawning is attributed to the Shaytaan because it promotes whims and desires, because it stems from heaviness of the body, excessive relaxation and fullness of the stomach.


^

That's why it is advised to eat less because all Allah's prophets (Upon them be peace) ate less.


Al-Manaawi (may Allah have mercy on him) said: It is attributed to him i:e Shaitan, because he is the one who calls for giving the self its share of desires. What is meant here is to warn against the things that lead to that, which is eating too much and eating one's fill, which makes the body feel too heavy and tired to do acts of worship.

So I insist the hadith is sahih so long as it is not taken as face value.

"Spiritual dimension" is the interpretation and understanding of the hadith

usermane:
We whine? The only reason we engage or discuss you Sunnis/Shia is that you are always in our face. You refuse to accept pluralism because you think you are the saved sect and should have dominion over us all. You also soil the name of Islam in the mud by upholding reprehensible customs.

"Saved Sect"? I am advocate against that. Accepting PLURALISM is not the problem. The problem is religion is practised as taught by the prophet. We know it is impossible that the prophet was just walking around without practically involved with his sahaba and taught them the religion. That's the sense I am trying to put in your upstairs. Excuse my language

You are a partisan or affiliate of MSS, CAIR and Muslim Brotherhood, right? Do you know how many millions of dollars your organisations receive from Saudi Government? It is from this fund that you receive loans, gifts and many other benefits from these organisations. The magnificent Ramadan Iftar or dinner you enjoy at your local mosque throughout Ramadan, who sponsor them? You have so much money to throw big events, where you invite politicians, federal agents. Would these people come to an event that we would hold? Impossible! We have no exotic means to host these officials that have a feast day every Ramadan with you.

You raised good point but unfortunately I am not partisan nor do i belong to any of the organisations you mentioned. I am not anti them either. See them only as my brethrens in faith.

Yes, Ramadan iftar was good and tastes Premium or First Class taste YUM YUM YUM. Nice Dish with Rice the main dish, Beef, lamb and sometimes potatoes on the side with SUPER stew also on the side of the plate and Roti as desert. Each plate costs at least $10 and probably they ordered some 400+ plates per day for 30 days excluding assorted drinks, Bagels, Biscuits and fruits for pre-iftar. However, this is open to the public which means they dont give a flying fu!k whether you are Sunni/Shia Sufi/Salafi/Wahabi or Quraniyun like you. Even homeless and non muslim dudes tried to belong and pretend to be one the "Muhammadans" but are not chased away. They all eat. So what exactly is your point? That Quranite are dealt with separately or subdued, marginalized and subjugated in the muslim community? FALSE OF THE CENTURY

I know by now you SALIVATING on the MENUS above. I noticed that for you to bring this up MUST have pained you so bad that you didnt get to be part of these organisations in order to scythe the benefits above. That's too painful. I am so sorry but hopefully we still alife NEXT year so you can belong. However, renounce Quraniyoon wholeheartedly to qualify the whole package deal

Do you know how much Salafi sheikhs in Saudi are paid to promote salafism and back the Saudi Monarchy?

You can iron this out with newnas and vedexcool. They are your buddies in the arena

babajeje123:
Look, bible does emphasis on spiritual cleanliness which automatically affects the outward on. The Holy Book is not obsessed with those ephemeral things that are found in Quran. If not for mental degradation, how can someone be telling me to use sand to clean my bumbum if there's no water? I think you guys should remove those trash from your book or do away with it totally & come up with something more suitable for this century

You have been reasonable until you post this. Have a good day. I will only discuss on this with seekers of knowledge. These are very elementary things we learned before we even able to say "baba" "mama".

You obviously have no detailed reference of purity and cleanliness in ur bible other than to say "spiritual cleanliness affects ur outward ('fantasy')".

Good luck

Note: sorry, we not removing the refernce from our source. It is none of your business. Thanks but no thanks