₦airaland Forum

nurain150:
i am a Muslim, please help me check on this rullings.due to some shoot-out that has died down in our area before Friday.my mum said i should not pray jumat at the central mosque .but she can send me to the area of the mosque to get her something..........and she said i should not pray ishai prayer but she can send me out at night, should i obey her or i should obey the will of allah.before i was allowed to pray jumat .though the jumat is in a market.she do not allow me to go to jumat sayinv it too far.but she can send me there.

Demmzy15:
I agree with you bro, when I read this work I was totally convinced. When you look at the position of the four Imams(Malik, Abu Haneefah, Shafi'e and Hanbali) Rahimahullah, their positions totally contradict each other. One of the Imams said "the Sunnah of the Prophet his is Madhab"

About the translations that placed "unmarried" in parenthesis for Suratul Nur, we should know that this Chapter was revealed purposely for Aisha(RadiAllahu anha), she was a married woman. Another verse in Suratul Nisai States that the punishment for a MARRIED slave who commits adultery, her punishment is to be halved. I wonder how Stoning could be halved.

We don't have any right to discredit our scholars, but we should also have it at the back of our minds that they're humans and ultimately make mistakes. Left to me, if a adulterer is to be punished, I'll fight for flogging because the hadith can't and would never abrogate the Qur’an.

sino:
It suffices me that the issue of rajm is an issue of abrogation and abrogation are of different types, and the type as explained by scholars, is an abrogation of the verse without the abrogation of the rulings.

And I was talking about shi’ah and believe of their scholars that the Qur’an is incomplete is quite different from the understanding of abrogated verses.

Here is a brief explanation on abrogation of verses in the Qur’an:

Abrogation of Verses

Allah (subhanahu wa ta’ala) says in the Holy Qur’an:
ما ننسخ من آية أو ننسها نأت بخير منها أو مثلها
Whichever verse We abrogate or cause to be forgotten, We bring one better than it or like it. (2:106)

The scholars have observed three kinds of abrogation. The first is the abrogation of the ruling alone. The second is the abrogation of the ruling and the recitation. The third is the abrogation of recitation alone.

The existence in the abrogation of recitation is a commonly accepted view according to many Islamic scholars, even ones from outside the Sunni school. Jalal Al-Deen Al-Suyuti in his Al-Itqaan quotes several examples of this form. Such narrations usually include a companion saying, [size=20pt]“We used to read such and such during the life of the Prophet.”[/size] When returning to the Qur’an, we do not find these verses within it. Scholars refer to such as an abrogation of verses.

Even though the abrogation of recitation has been something that has always been accepted by Muslim scholars, we do find that there are some that have doubted the existence of it. Their main argument is that they do not see the wisdom of such a thing and that abrogation of recitation creates nothing but confusion.

However, such an argument holds no weight, since it is not required for the creation to understand the wisdom of the actions of Allah as a requirement to accepting those actions.

According to Sulaiman Al-Lahim, in his introduction to Al-Nahhas’ Al-Nasikh wal Mansookh (1/118), one of the wisdoms of the existence of the abrogation of recitation is that it makes the Qur’an easier to memorize. He quoted the following verse:
الآن خفف الله عنكم وعلم أن فيكم ضعفا
For the present Allah has made light your burden, and He knows that there is weakness in you. (8:66)

By returning to the context of the verse, we find that Allah is decreasing what He expects from the Muslims at war. This is indeed a mercy upon them, for they were expected to stand up to armies that are up to ten times in number, but then the number was decreased to twice in number.

Similarly, the abrogation of those verses is a form of mercy as well, since Allah’s words can never run out, and having the Qur’an in its final state makes it easier to memorize than what it could have been if no abrogation of recitation existed.

Please note again, this belief of the ahlu sunnah is far from what the scholars of shi’ah believe, I had already posted a link for your perusal.

Again your arguments and debates must stem from genuine facts, and supported by scholarly opinions, if you think just that stoning the adulterer is barbaric, hence your argument, then we may also look at cutting of the hands for a thief, and even whipping a fornicator 100 lashes can also be viewed as barbaric, not to mention the continuous pressure from some quarters to abolish death sentence. The last paragraph of the above post is very instructive. The Question to ask yourself are: Are the narrations on rajm authentic according to Islamic scholars?! If yes, why do you reject them?! If no, then who weakened them, and on what basis were the reasons for the weakness of the narrations?!

Aroh48:
You called me a loser? I laugh in chinese.How I wish you know me well you shouldn't have made that useless statement.I just pray the herdmen visit you soon so that you can feel the pain the people of agatu and Enugu are feeling right now.

Aroh48:
1,900 dat's a small figure.they shld kill more.

wastedsperm:
Until Nigerians run out of supply of beef then we will appreciate the importance of the fulani herdsmen we love to demonize. I have always maintained that there is a conspiracy between the press and reporters to paint the herdsmen as killers just to discourage the grazing bill which will benefit all nigerians in the long run. Every one knows the fulani herdsmen are always armed with sticks to guide their cattle. The Bokoharam terrorists are cattle rustlers who kill fulani herdsmen and use their cattle as a disguise to migrate to other parts of the country due to military onslaught against them in the north east. We have committed a great sin against the fulanis by labeling them killers when all they do is raise cattles for our beef and milk consumption. How many southerners can rear cattles like the fulanis? Instead we claim to be educated and see them as primitive. We Nigerians need to apologize to the fulanis and instead condemn the terrorists killing them and stealing their cattles to perpertrate evil. No wonder the president insist the killers are not fulanis but terrorists who migrated from Libya after the fall of ghadaffi. God bless the fulanis, God forgive majority of Nigerians who demonizes them especially the Igbo's

Ochoiho:
Catholic and Idolatry, An image have appeared to give credence to deception. It must be from the devil

udatso:
Sir you clearly know how to prolong issues. I am beginning to think you are always gonna have a reply for me whether it takes us forward or not.

dolphinheart:
I will not tell you which church, denomination, group of people , organization to associate with. ill rather tell you to read the word of God first, try to know the requirements for salvation. If you know what to look for, you'll probably know where to find it. You will be in a better position to separate the truth from false.

AlBaqir:
I don't get it @underline. # That Prophet stoned or existence of ayat rajm?

# Again there are too numerous ahadith about stoning for adultery but not that ayat rajm existed. The later (ayat rajm) is found in both Sunni and Shia ahadith but I simply don't believe them. I believe its part of traditions of the Prophet (due to numerous ahadith).

# I believe so much in Allah's mercy for sinners. Death punishment is however for the unrepentant sinners who defiantly continue to cause mischief on the land. Interestingly, my favourite Sahabi reported this hadith (thank Allah the hadith is par with the Quran):

Narrated Abu Huraira:


The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "The one who commits an illegal sexual intercourse is not a believer at the time of committing illegal sexual intercourse and a thief is not a believer at the time of committing theft and a drinker of alcoholic drink is not a believer at the time of drinking. Yet, (the gate of) repentance is open thereafter."

Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 6810
In-book reference : Book 86, Hadith 40
USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 8, Book 82, Hadith 801
(deprecated numbering scheme)

WORDWORLD:
Okay here it is. After Charlie Hebdo Paris attack which was as a result of a supposed caricature of Prophet Muhammad.

A FRENCH LADY BY THE NAME ISABELLE MATIC REVERTED TO ISLAM 4 DAYS AFTER . SHE IS A FILM DIRECTOR .

She wrote as thus which is how we muslims should always behave. Not by puting laws into our hands. THOUGH ITS ONLY THOSE WHO ARE CONTROLED BY EMOTIONS THAT BEHAVE THIS WAY .


"They are making fun of Muhammad and do not harm him. They are making fun of a character that they have imagined and to whom they have given a name. THIS MAN IS NOT OUR PROPHET" Isabella matic

Alhamdulillah! Allah has spoken the TRUTH.
" AND CERTAINLY THE MESSENGERS BEFORE YOU (MUHAMMAD) WERE MOCKED AT. (so what's new if you are also being mocked?). BUT THAT AT WHICH THE SCOFFED ECOMPASSED THEY SCOFFERS AMONG THEM" Quran 10 : 10..

KEEP IT UP..........WE ARE ENJOYING YOU!

www.moroccoworldnews.com/2015/01/149537/french-director-converts-to-islam-after-charlie-hebdo-attacks/

udatso:
Empi.ree
I'm shocked oooo. He said that? Maybe it's a mistake. It has to be

AlBaqir:
Brother mi, your statement is as clear as daylight though it seemed to have contradicted your aim. Do you believe in the ismat of the Aimmat of Ahl al-Bayt or not? Why making comparison where none exist?! How can you compare the so-called sahih of a book that its supposed author know nothing about? And even if Imam Bukhari was the author, for argument sake, was he a masoom?

AlBaqir:
How on earth can you make an analogy between the two?! The basis of the infallibility of Aimmat Ahl al-Bayt is exclusively revealed in two divine messages:

# Surah Ahzab, the verse of purification. Here Allah purify them with absolute purification.

# Hadith Thaqalain especially the bolded part:

Imam Ibn Kathir (d. 774 H):

In the ṣaḥīḥ report, it is recorded that the Messenger of Allāh, peace be upon him, said in his sermon at Ghadīr Khumm: “I am leaving behind over you the Two Weighty Things (al-thaqalayn): THE BOOK OF ALLAH AND MY OFFSPRING, AHL AL-BAYT. Verily, both shall never separate from each other until they meet me at the Lake-Fount.

Ref: {Abū al-Fidā Ismā’īl b. ‘Umar b. Kathīr al-Qurashī al-Dimashqī, Tafsīr al-Qur’ān al-‘Aẓīm (Dār al-Ṭaybah li al-Nashr wa al-Tawzī’; 2nd edition, 1420 H) [annotator: Sāmī b. Muḥammad Salāmah], vol. 7, p. 201}

These are part of several undeniable evidences which Ahlu Sunnah shy away from and Wahabiyyah deliberately misinterpret.

* So, what's the basis for the "infallibility" of Sahih Bukhari?

AlBaqir:
Agreed with you that what? I told you my research is inconclusive though my heart doesnt agree with it. Let me be clear please:

# There is nothing like verse of rajm in the Quran

# Whoever says it has been abrogated or erased will show us authentic hadith of what verse replaces it. No verse is erased, abrogated or cause to be forgotten except there is a better or equivalent verse to replace it {Q.2:106}

# Ahadith from both Sunni and Shia sources that talks about ayat rajm being in the Quran are nothing but falsehood.

# With overwhelming mutawattir hadith about the legislation of rajam from both schools, it is safe to conclude that rajam is perhaps Prophetic legislation for unrepentant sinners (adulterer(res)). The difficult conditions attached before punishment can be passed for adultery give room for repentance rather than that no mercy punishment.

# Today many Muslims countries have removed beheading and stoning to death from their sharii law and replaced them with life imprisonment. Quran too is very clear that if those who committed indecent acts repent sincerely and work righteously, they should be left alone.

Allah knows best