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^ I think you missed the point. Wahy or that the prophet does not speaks of his own desire is not the issue. The issue here is compilation and reporting of ahadith. Sunnah is already preserved and are universally recognized.

Seun:
1. The Quran talks about the meeting of two seas but the picture you provided is about the mixing of sea water with fresh water. Sea water is always salty while fresh water doesn't exist in the sea.
2. Even if we accept your misinterpretation, the fact is that the water in that picture is actually mixing. It's just that it takes some time.
3. Even if we accept the fallacy that they are not mixing, it is quite unlikely that no such phenomenon existed in the time of the prophet. Even if it didn't happen close to where the prophet lived, he may have spoken to a traveller who witnessed the phenomenon. This proves nothing.

First all, these pictures are not necessarily evidence confirming the verses of Quran but do you have evidence to suggest it is mixing as shown in the pictures?

Here again, Qur'an speaks:


"And it is He(God) who has released [simultaneously] the two seas, one fresh and sweet and one salty and bitter, and He placed between them a barrier and prohibiting partition." ~(25:53)

Sometimes muslims just need to sit back and relax. I notice that these guys are working for us. Ever noticed that they mention Islam and Muhammad than Jesus or Paul and Christianity?

annunaki2:
this guy is a real clown. [s]Does women's rights also include subjecting non muslim women to rápe as[/s] mohammed and his boys routinely practiced?

annunaki2:
You mean you have not read the story of how mohammed and his boys murdered safiya's husband, father and brother and ráped her the same night you seriously don't know your islam bros.

annunaki2:
And does being the 'wife' of mohammed justify mohammed murdering her father, husband and brother

otemanuduno:
Show me the link to where this discovery was made and when. Did Mohammed tell the name of the phenomenon? If he didn't, then he is just exactly like Mendeleev who didn't also tell the names of the elements.

To cap it up, MENDELEEV is more useful than Mohammed, talking about the advancement in the world

plappville:
You are the deaf can't you see? You ate not only deaf but also blind. Islam is a total scam from Satan himself. See what Islam is doing to the world today. Don't you havé feelings for those victims? We see people cry each passing day on the tv. They lost thier loved ones to Islam and You are here talking rubbish. Nigeria is where she is today because of Islam. Any nation where islam resides, knows no peace. France and Germany have accommodated Islam thats why they are facing terrible problems today. Wake up man. You will have a better life if you renounce this cult. Muhammed was the tool Satan used. He was never a prophet.

Continue. We are proud of you. You make the name of our prophet more favorite and become more household name. I can't remember the last time you guys mentioned Jesus or Christianity. That's how your religion will die out. It's getting odd. Now i wont derail anymore. Face front

I think we should be careful of raising the level of hadith with standard of Qur'an. I personally don't have problems with ahadith he quoted. We can't be two extremes. To say that as long as hadith is in Sahih Bukhari is "authentic" is very wrong my brothers. You know why?. There is no book on earth that is 100% guaranteed accuracy except Quran because Allah said so (sura 15:9). Did Allah make similar claim with respect to Hadith?. Then again, Rasilullahi (Allah's Blessing and Peace be upon him) reviewed Qur'an with scribes. This is guaranteed. Did he do the same with Hadith?.



Point #2, neither Allah nor the prophet(saw) verified hadith. This claim alone kills it. If anything in Sahih Bukhari is perfect, then, why do we have grades and classifications?. That's, why do they classified ahadith Sahih, Hassan, Mawḍūʻ, daif?. Why would Sheik Albani(ra) who came only in 20th century graded ahadith after hundreds of yrs, after it was already graded?. This is common sense. My approach is not to bend my knees to kufar. We are talking facts here. We better reason outside the box before ti is too late.

Let me give you further example. It is very suspicious that they would grade some ahadith that speak about dhikr in gatherings and some other forms of Naflat or dhikr while walking etc as daif or fabricated but would grade some questionable ahadith as sahih like op quoted. I am not disputing what he quoted and i dont have problem with them. This is not about modernity. This is about review, scholarly review. Some muslims may criticize a man clutching around with tasbih(rosary) doing dhikr as bid'a or show off. Fact is it is also recorded in other narration (not Bukhari) that the Angels love a muslim who make dhikr of Allah while walking. But this practice is takfired by those who hold Sahih Bukhari wholeheartedly becuase they do not see it there.


If we claim the Sahaba are not infallible why then we think Hadith compilers could not make mistakes?. Common sense isn't?. I am telling you now that there are fabricated ahadith inside Sahih Bukhari. If Taurat of Musa (as), Injeel of Isa(as), Sabur of Daud(as) could be corrupted,, who told you Sahih hadith could not?.


Quran is the ONLY sahih and "iyalaya" mutawatir. This statement of mine doesn't mean I reject hadith because of this hadith

Miqdam ibn Ma’di reported: The Messenger of Allah, peace and blessings be upon him, said, “Verily, I have been given the Quran and something along with it, but the time is coming when a man will recline on his couch and say: Keep to the Quran, for whatever you find in it lawful is lawful and whatever you find in it unlawful is unlawful....."
Source: Sunan Abu Dawud 4604

Grade: Sahih (authentic) according to Al-Albani



We can't be at the two extremes. It is extremism to reject hadith and claim Quran alone. Likewise, it is extremism to say Sahih hadith is 100% authentic. Sheikh Imran Hussein(May Allah preserve him) said:


"There are ahadith inside hadith that are fabricated and that a whole hadith could also be fabricated". He gave example as follows:


Sahih Bukhari Volume 3, Book 34, Number 425:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "By Him in Whose Hands my soul is, son of Mary (Jesus) will shortly descend amongst you people (Muslims) as a just ruler and will break the Cross and kill the pig and abolish the Jizya (a tax taken from the non-Muslims, who are in the protection, of the Muslim government). Then there will be abundance of money and no-body will accept charitable gifts.

@ highlighted, Sheik faulted it saying this is in conflict with Quran. That Jizya will last till the Day Of Qiyam. Isa(as) will NOT abrogate Shar'ah of Muhammad(saw) but will follow it. Did the sheik make sense?. Far as I am concerned, yes. The body of the hadith is sahih but contained element of mawdu within it. This is example of fabricated hadith inside hadith.

Also, it is another extreme to say every hadith that doesn't fit our restricted human intellect is false. No. This is incorrect. My point is, the two extremes must be rejected. Sahih hadith were not certified by Allah and His messenger nor was it reviewed by him. There are some ahadith that the Sufis used for some of their practices that are valid. But these ahadith are ceremonially removed from Sahih Bukhari and docked in some unpopular chains like Sunnah Abu Dawood, Tirmidhi etc. Myself growing up was Sahih Bukhari addict. But we must continue to study from wide spectrum without compromising Islam.

Concerning the age, it has always been a subject of debate. My understanding is, in those days, they do not record age. They go by maturity. So who put the age in this hadith?. Again, I am not denying the authenticity of the hadith nor do i have problems with it. What I do know is (unless you have evidence) that there was no earthly marriage ceremony between Rosululah (saw) and Aishat (ra). Their union was Divinely ordained by Allah (azwajal). So make no mistake, remember the Jews lived pretty much with Muslims in those days with their creepy minds and you think they could not have snuck falsehood therein?. In Shi'i hadith they actually recorded Aisha's age between 18 and 23 which means the age reported in Sahih Bukhari is not binding. Hell, if non muslims want to use it against us, that's cheap. we have argued that severally here. I can as well back up the age reported in Sahih Bukhari whether they like it or not.



#myopinion

MDsambo:
Safiyya bint huyayy was the wife of Muhammad


go back and read the story again https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/safiyya_bint_Huyayy

Salaam. Thank you for this handsome reminder. However, please don't fall for this these guys' cheap derailment. They are very miserable. We know them very well. They are never satisfied with responses by Muslims. Their brains have been suspended between heaven and earth. Therefore, whatever you say will end up in their deaf ears.

Please take this precaution

Walaikum salaam

annunaki2:
And does being the 'wife' of mohammed justify mohammed murdering her father, husband and brother

Sir, respectively, kindly stop derailing his thread. Can you have some level of decorum?. You are bringing in another subject entirely to sabotage his thread. You are free to open your own and say whatever you want. Or if you need answer to this allegation you keep bringing up, there are bunch of Youtube videos where this allegation and the likes have been refuted.

Please stay clear of this thread....otherwise, you may be reported.

Thank You, sir.

plappville:
I HAVE THIS TO SAY. ALLAHS ARMY AGAIN IN FRANCE. THIS TIME IN A CHURCH. DONT YOU THINK THERE ARE FULFILLING BIBLICAL PROPHECY?

Say whatever you want. Did they not kill bunch imams and sheiks in Syria?. Or you forgot about a sheik they killed inside mosque by slitting his throat?. What else is new? . Are you trying to make this one exceptional? . Why are Western lives matter to you than many more Muslims who have been killed by these monsters?.

Well may God have mercy on the priest. Anything else?

Anas09:
Sura AL Afghan 48:2
'Say, I am no bringer of new knowledge, or doctrine among the messengers, nor do I know what will be done with me or with you.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJQxliwKyG4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbcd-gxBpLQ

Everything stated here is my opinion and I can be wrong. So bear with me. This is going to be partly theory base, opinion and experience. You are free to add yours. But please don't turn this thread into culture and religious bashing. That's not going to help. Definitely I am going to cite few element of religious and cultural effects on this issue.


Read on

African growth is very slow when it comes to parenting at tender age compared to Western world. Take a look at the picture below The guy on the right with beard and elbow up is a friend of mine. He's 40 years old. His first son is on the left and celebrating his birthday today @23. Why is African growth so slow?

Here is my personal opinion. Most African men of old are greedy and the very cause of this. Whether they are christians or muslims doesn't matter. Also I think economy situation contributes and debars them from getting their children who have reached puberty to get married but that's not always the case. Primary problem is, in my opinion, they want to enjoy their social lives to the fullest before their children are enlightened. They see it as competition if their children were to give birth whilst they still socially function. They say 'face your studies".

This lopsided practice is very prevalent in Yoruba culture. Hausa people are very right in this yet we blame them. At least they marry their children off as they reach puberty. But Western culture don't get their children married at that age. They see marriage as old fashion even as grown men and women. Their children may get pregnant at very young age when a grown man in Africa has no idea how to relate with opposite s!x. Western women are matured really quick except for a few. It is very possible to see a 19 yr old girl living in the West with a kid or 2 while a 19 years old Yoruba boy has no idea how to woo a woman. Not only wooing a girl but very immature and not thinking about raising kids at that age.

Besides, despite having 23 years old boy, he has other children by different women. He's now a grandfather. He has two teenage girls who also have babies age 3 and 1. He also has set of two boys maybe 3 or 4 yrs old. His sister is 36. She also has 4 kids. Age 21, 19, 18 and 10. Her 21 years old daughter also has a child. This means she was 14 or 15 when she gave birth to her first child. Imagine at that time, most African boys and girls have no idea how to relate with opposite s!x. This is what gave birth to modern immoral s!xual exposure today in nigeria in my humble opinion. At the time this lady gave birth to her now 21yr old daughter, a nigerian girl at same age probably just having a child now. Not because of problems giving birth but immaturity.

We can always blame our parents for delay in parenting. As a minor having kids means sacrificing your youth. You don't want to bring kids into the world to suffer. That's the main point as some would allege. In Africa, most parents are not ready to assist in raising your kids when they still cater for you. But for the lucky ones, they may have kids for older person in a stable relationship who can take care of the kids. In Western world, as long as the two parties concerned have kids or by mistake, the provision are there whether with support of parents or not and that is the point that may be missing if we compare the two worlds. For women though, it is quite easy to share their burden.

On the other hand, Western folks who happen to give birth very early may have their kids end up in foster home. That's a problem because the kids may not have proper parental care. That is the case with the guy in this picture. He too was in foster home when he was 2. His sister's kids (nieces) also were in foster homes but everything is fine with them now. My point here though is African men (Yoruba) simply dont want the idea of their children having a child early. I dont know of the current situation there now. I am talking about when i was growing up. Those boys in the 90s who happened to have a child in the 90s usually ran away. I remember a family friend at 19 years old in 1992. Got a lady pregnant and ran off. The child is now 24. Everything is good now but was really rough and tough in the beginning. The thing is, the difference is those Yoruba boys who had kids at tender age by "mistake" had no parents consent. This is contrary to Hausas where they deliberately give their children in marriage because it is part of their fundamental beliefs and culture. Although some Yoruba men are enlightened and very understanding. Some of them simply fear of poverty which is understandable.



I am more concerned about the greedy ones. I believe that's the majority. Whether they greedy consciously or not they are guilty because it has negative effect now. Now this is going to be personal. Growing up in the 90s, I had a family friend about my age. His daddy is rich and married multiple wives of 4. He always undermined his children. Not want them talk to opposite s!x. Publicly disgraced them at least indirectly. For instance, there was a day he ordered his two boys who were 18 and 19 in 1999 to cut grass in front of the house. Daddy stood outside prying eyes on them. A well known very light skinned lady was passing by and daddy kept his eyes fixated on the boys. The young one who is known to flirt with women notice the lady and stood to pry but daddy embarrassed him. And the girl smiled and walked faster. The girl lived in the hood. Also, his daughter got pregnant in college and he ordered her to abort the pregnancy but his daughter was 22 years old in year 2000 when she pregnant. His children concluded that he simply doesn't want competition. True or not, that's how i see it too bcus he also had a new baby by his last wife same year.



So i believe that this unnecessary strictness is the genesis of this 21st century s!exual exposure which includes rape, unwanted pregnancy and many out of wedlock children, lack of self confidence talking with opposite s!x (for men) without screwing up religious line. Many are old now in their 30s and still single. Most of them lack self confidence. So they seek other means like brothel etc. Remember this problem is prevalent in both muslim and christian homes. For muslim daddies as greedy like this, are they following Islamic injunction?. Definitely not. In these 5 mins videos, the Sheik gave his thought and I agree with him.



I brought this thread up because I have noticed overtime, online and offline many Yoruba and some others in their 30s are single and "looking". They prefer to come online and register on dating websites where they can easily express themselves to their potential partners rather than in person. Some of them have vigorously complained about their parents being obstacles. Yoruba boys and girls between 15 and 20 years old in the 90s with kids at that time were most likely "The Fujis" and "The Jujus" could be matured in this level at that time. But so called "well brought" homes?, nah except for a few.

usermane:
I wont waste time on another apologist. Please research the term "Jihad Talab" and stop wasting your time on people like Sheikh Ilory, they 'll only tell you what they want you to know.

Highlighted, pardon?. What is he has to do with this?. I only asked you to respond to this video. You have quoted the hadith endlessly. The so called "offensive j!had" is nonetheless opinion and understanding of some. There is no preemptive war in Islam. That's George W's ideology.


Preemptive approach in Islam could ONLY be understood as a means guarding and protecting territory NOT attacking others without being provoked or threatened. I dont care what anyone says. Prophet did not wage preemptive war. Some of the things you read on "J!had Talab" is kinda emotionally attached base on whatever is going on locally.

Anyways, I only posted the video to enlighten you not to de-contextualize delicate ahadith just like that.

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Denko2721987:
fine which is why i was asking people for their opinions cos i am aware alot of mis-information spreads everywhere online. But what about the information the book (The People vs Muhammad) is trying to pass across or should we just throw the water away along with the baby in the bath becos the bath is dirty? (considering the guy who exposed the misinterpretation in the video affirms the fact that what the book says is true).. Anyway that's another question for another thread.. Subsequently why didnt the mods just close or remove the thread with stated reasons. Why locking the replies aspect of the thread with an Islamic declaration (i never insulted anyone or made any remarks against Muslims or Islam) thereby allowing only Muslims who accepts the Declaration to comment or reply the thread which automatically keeps every other person who isnt a Muslim out. Does that make any sense? Do they also use Christain declarations for threads that doesnt appeal well to Christains which are all over the forum and which even their oga S*eun* creates from time to time without the said declaration? I only see this as a strong case of hypocritsy and prejudice, nothing less..

As for the book, you think Muslims are worried about it?. To you it is "breaking news". To Muslims, it is old, same old allegations. What you dont know, you dont know. We are used to it. Get yourself educated. It is bcus you sniffed around looking to find fault with islam is the reason you think what the book says it new. Anyways, those allegations brought are nothing but 1400 yers of old trash that have been refuted.

Maybe you should read our responses here
https://www.nairaland.com/3239137/lets-read-book-people-vs

Also
https://www.nairaland.com/3244852/parisbookaddict-did-say-excellent-book

Who cares what is said in the book. Get yourself educated about islam and stop being fed misinformation. You are free to read the book. Thats your freedom. As for other allegations you brought abut NL, sort that out with mod. Let me quickly give you a hint, the reason for "declaration of faith" before commenting in muslim section was bcus of christian and atheist extremists who are hell bent on insulting islam and posting adult content pictures and other reasons as well.. You are not barred for commenting in the section. Just behave yourself after you click on the phrase. That's all.

The video has noting to do with the book. It is fake. Thats the work of your christian brothers spreading cheap propaganda to confuse and deceive people

Denko2721987:
Abeg help me ask this guy oh..

Actually the video you posted with the guy yelling for no reason is wrongly and deliberately misinterpreted by christian extremist. Read what your fellow christian who speak arabic has to say about it.


https://www.nairaland.com/3245083/exposed#47838883


So the video itself misrepresents Islam in violation of nl perhaps #myopinion

Anyways, you have the right to complain whatever you want.

#yourfreedom

Humm, Sheik Imran Hussein was right about him then. I remember in 2008 or so when US authority banned books produced by muslims to be distributed in a famous masjid in NYC. The next day after the ban, they flooded the masjid with Harun Yahya's free beautiful books with expensive powerpoint elegantly designed hard cover for FREE.

The man has some twisted theory about "Abrahamic Faith"

kilo4sure:
Really First of all it is stupid to say a book is divine because it has no discrepancy. My science test book has no discrepancy, Shakespeare has no discrepancy. But even if l agree with this false premise, still the quran has lots of discrepancies that even your scholars had to explain them away by the rule of abrogration. I would start with a few...
lt is they who have lost their own souls that they would not believe. Quran 6v12.
No soul can believe except by the will of Allah. Quran 10v100.
Is this a contradiction or not? One verse says no soul can believe except by Allah's will, another said some are responsible for the damnation of their soul because they did not believe.
Should Jews and Christians fear the last day? Surah 3v19 or they should not? Surah 2v62.
There are more coming, one at a time, just begin with these.

don't derail this thread please . open urs and then invite muslims to contribute . thanks

true2god:
Yoruba people now understand Mohammed/Islam more that Aisha, an Arabian girl and one of the numerous wives of Mohammed. Wonders shall never end!

I don't recall quoting you on this issue at all. Point of correction, Islam is not Arabia religion but UNIVERSAL!

A learned Igbo muslim may as well know better than Arab man.

How can people who were never an eye witness to an event stand as a witness to that event in the court of public opinion?

Very well then. You can as well deny your entire LUKE 1:3 and ACT 1:1 about Jesus because he was not eye witness.

"[size=14pt]...just as they were handed down to us by the initial eyewitnesses...[/size]."


It is universally accepted that the author of Luke's Gospel was not an eyewitness to the life of Jesus. So how can you true2god who NEVER witnessed the event believe the Gospel of Luke.

kilo4sure:
So you are using the Quran to confirm the Quran? Why do you believe what the Quran states?

Test of time and challenges:

"Do they not consider the Qur'an (with care)? Had it been from other than Allah they would surely have found therein much discrepancy." ~Surah 4. An-Nisaa, Ayah 82

kilo4sure:
Lol, so are you telling me if Daddy G.O or the Pope converts then Islam is from God? I simply don't get your reasoning here or you are just being damn right funny mehn. Many Muslims also give their life to Christ, a simple Google search would make this clear. Islam is so insecure that the moment a pope or pastor converts or even praise Islam, they see it as confirmation. It seems to me they think if pastors and popes who know it all could convert then Islam must be true, because they equate this men to their scholars, but this is not how it works in Christianity especially with pastors. Pastors have made many mistakes and some have done evil, popes in the past have also done terrible things. So their conversion to any other god mean nothing. Check wikiislam testominies to see how many Muslims convert to Christianity even your imams, all of these mean nothing to me and doesn't make Christianity true. What you should be concerned about is the reason the person gives for converting, does it hold water?

Pardon me?. You missed it. We dont need Pastor or Pope or any christian to confirm Islam. Confirmation of Islam is mentioned and confirmed by God and His Angels. That's enough for us.



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"But Allah bears witness to that which He has revealed to you. He has sent it down with His knowledge, and the angels bear witness [as well]. And sufficient is Allah as Witness." ~ Qur'an 4:166



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"And those who have disbelieved say, "You are not a messenger." Say, [O Muhammad], "Sufficient is Allah as Witness between me and you, and [the witness of] whoever has knowledge of the Scripture."" ~ Qur'an 13: 43




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"There is no god but He: That is the witness of Allah, His angels, and those endued with knowledge, standing firm on justice. There is no god but He, the Exalted in Power, the Wise." ~ Qur'an 3:18




So their praising Islam is NOT necessary. Doesn't confirm truth of Islam. Islam already confirmed itself.

TruthHurts1:
I've heard of the book and I welcome the opportunity to read it. However I don't think it will tell me anything new about the state of MudhaMAD's mental competence.

Even Mudslimes know that MudhaMAD needed help upstairs. Their Hadiths even state as such. There are 3 kinds of islamic hadiths:

sahih ("authentic",
hasan ("good"
da'if ("weak"

Let's see what one of the Sahih Hadiths had to say about certain peculiarities in MudhaMAD's behaviour:


[size=16pt]Narrated Aisha: "A man called Labid bin al-A'sam from the tribe of Bani Zariq worked magic on Allah's Apostle until Allah's Apostle started imagining that he had done a thing that he had not really done."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 no. 658

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Another passage from the said Sahih Bukhari Hadith:

[size=16pt]Narrated Aisha: "Magic was worked on Allah's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not. "

[/size]Sahih Bukhari Volume 8 no. 660


In most primitive societies, mental health challenges were usually attributed to demonic and/or spiritual attacks, a belief which prevails in certain societies that still cling to elements of animist and primitive traditions (Nigeria, to name but one example)

My take is that MudhaMAD was psychotic and mentally unbalanced. His followers knew this and more importantly they knew the damage it would inflict on their fledgling religion if its founder was found to be a MAD MAN. So they simply made up a lie that he was sometimes subject to spiritual control from evil sources.

One has to wonder about the intelligence of the average Mudslime who finds demonic possession in a prophet easier to swallow than insanity, but there you have it.

Exactly! this is what i'm talking about. This hadith was explained this Ramadan. You skipped the middle. Exactly what I said earlier. This man explained it in the video. "magic" had noting to do or has no effect with revelation. Do your homework again. Pretty sufficient if you watch the video. Dont come back here to let me you have no time to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOyP8J_eIQw

Anything else, I can care less to explain. You people arent ready for any rebuttal. Y'all a waste of time. You have track record. we know you well enough

Presbulg:
Considering the 1 million churches we have in Nigeria, it's hard for all of them to be in the spotlight. He's not the first pastor to revert tho. Surely won't be the last too.

Daddy Go is NEXT!

Damn! This is some KNOckOut puNCh. Parisbook, see ur life

Kudos Up There ^

This Buttresses Some Points Raised In This Thread



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kv9AffzjMs0

parisbookaddict:
I have mine, U also have urs.. but facts remain facts.. mohammed was a violent rapist, misogynist, caravan robber, pedophile and bigamist and the quran and hadiths say so. Fact not opinions. .

You said this all the time. Do you have anything to say?

usermane, what do you think?. This is your famous hadith that you de-contextualized to suit you. You mind watching this


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eS4hEd9lKLs

dare2differ:
Well I am and know that he doesn't care at all. Please ignore ShiaMuslim, let him continue his madness. Whatever he is trying to explain to op, op already knows it. Yes, I am talking about the wahabi, shia and Sunni stuff. The op maybe ***** but he is not completely ignorant . ShiaMuslim is just being fo.ol to think op gives a flying g fvck about his opinion!

Lol!...that's what I am telling him. He's not applying wisdom. I told him several times to eschew but he thinks I am hiding "facts".

marvelife:
I love this religion but what i read about them makes me scared....
To the elites in this religion please educate the younger ones so that things would change in future
i am a born Christian but i believe the world will be a better place if we love each other

some Muslims believes in Jesus Christ... Some Christians also believe pro. Mohamed SAW was truly Gods messenger
lets try peace one more time

slalom

Just avoid sectarianism, study islam from broad views and most importantly, do a soul searching REMINDER! that's is the genesis of PEACE Dhikrllah {Remembrance Of God)

everydayperson:
so much knowledge and insight everywhere.. impressive! but still very little effort at finding a solution.. perhaps there is no solution because we do not want one.. why even bother talk about it.. let the violence continue.. goodbye

You see, the way the Shia brother is driving this thread, something I already foreseen, would never end well. That's why I keep telling him that the way he's going about it will bring nothing fourth. Seems to me this thread is stalled.

As for solution, in my honest opinion, if this thread was not driven in to sectarian trash, would be West should remove ALL their political and economy interest from the Muslim nations.

Second, remove their army bases.

Will they ever do this?. No.

No, because they can not sustain without Islam, NEVER!. That's why terror!sm will continue.

See how simple I break this down without diving into sectratianism

DevotedOne:
Bismillaah ir Rahmaan ir Rahiim. As salaamu alaykum. I'm really tired of reading this rubbish. I hope you can make some sense of it. Please advise!



https://azelin.files./2016/04/the-islamic-state-22dacc84biq-magazine-1422.pdf Dabiq #14


https://azelin.files./2016/01/the-islamic-state-e2809cdacc84biq-magazine-13e280b3.pdf Dabiq #13




Wassalaam. DevotedOne

I really like the way you begin your every post. That's sweet. At first I would think you sound like robot . But then, you also sound like Sheikh Abdul Rahim Oniwasi Agbaye (Rohimohullah)

Demmzy15:
^^^It's a pity he can't reason beyond sectarianism, everything is sectarian. A non-Muslim doesn't know something about Islam, he jumps in and derails with his "Shia persecution" rubbish. Very pathetic!

I dont understand why he failed to discern that.