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prettymina:
Salamualaykun waramathullah wabarakathu




Pls,is there a special tahajjud prayer for some1 seeking guidance in choosing a spouse?


Can tahajjud prayer be offered any day of the week?

Can a female on her period observe tahajjud prayer?

albaqir, sino, fundamentalist, lexiconkabir, tbaba1234, BETATRON, muhdg, abduljabbar4

Annunaki:
No I don't. It's not biblical and it's contrary to scriptures.

Cool. What I Want To Hear. Now, Is Trinity Part Of Jesus Teachings, It Is Not Biblical?, Fine.

Those Who Believe It, Are They Any Less Christians?. Are They On The Wrong Creed?

Annunaki:
Ok show me were trinity is in the bible.

So You Don't Believe In Trinity? .

Fundamentalist:
it is ONLY a COMPLETE OLODO that would say some ahadeeths of sahih bukhari and sahih muslim are weak or fabricated lies.

i am only sad about ignorant people that will swallow this.

You Wrong Akhi, Very Wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFATM9zHGbg&ebc=ANyPxKqbA4P1IgtQeBPXztyV9_E-sS7BUaDdiP0GYy1007HfLu60XB_TCy7HrwpM950Oa_lbuWyn

rexben:
According Jesus in John 3:16, He is the only begotten Son of God. Or was He lying?

How about this?

He also told His disciples that they are children of God too.

It means he is not the only son of God.

This also proves that as ou rightly quoted

Jesus replied, "Do not touch me, for I have not yet ascended to my Father. Go to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
John 20:17

There Are Other Begotten Sons Of God As Well. Psalm 2:7 Hebrews 1:5 To Mention A Few

Word!

Nothing But Truth

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rexben:
@empir.ee

oh oh oh, nje o. Okunrin lo n ke si

Am sorry i won't reply or quote your comments again. Reason being that you guys are not ready to listen or try to understand. You guys have held your religion in high esteem and can not see it to be lies. I am tired of pouring water inside baskets

I asked question and you have answered. You said "God gave birth to Jesus". Thats what begotten means. So you have answered. Too bad you tired of me

But i can see that you guys are creating problems for other viewers or readers because of your religious views.

proooooblems ??...how?

@empir.ee

n da o loun....eye meji ki jediye

I don't care about whatever quotes or reply after this. I won't reply because it can not lead anywhere,it will lead to another argument.

too bad u gave up.

Let me ask u a quick question. Who was Abraham to Jesus and other prophets according to the bible?

Aba rilwayne, you don finished the dude na. I doubt he has anything reasonable to say after this. That was a big knockout.



As for rilwayne & agba man, self proclaimed truthman, I wonder how you guys would look if you were to meet in person. Agba man makes no sense anymore.

rexben:
check your dictionary. A son that is given birth to

God gave birth to Jesus?. I hear you. At least you are bold enough to define "begotten son". Your brother, scholar8200 is unable to do that. He said "begotten" is not defined.

Now that you defined "begotten son", you said God gave birth to Jesus. This is animal act which does not befits His Majesty. Therefore, you blaspheme. This is shirk that Qur'an condemns in surat 2:116, 6:101, 9:30, 10:68, 19:35, 19:88, 23:19, 37:151, 72:3, 112:1-4, 18:1-5


"Those Who Say: ' The Lord Of Mercy {God} Has Begotten A Son', Preach Monstrous Falsehood At Which The Very Heavens Might Crack........It Does Not Befits God To Beget..." Mary Verse 88

Give Up Your Creed Before It Is Too Late.

You Should Post Pix

parisbookaddict:
What does it mean to be a religious muslim??



Answer: oppressing women with hijab, burka in 45degrees celcuis heat, and muslim men dressing


and growing dirty beards like the dead 7th century Arab sex addict

You Are Still Not Making Sense In 2016.

naughtynaughty:
Biko, nah project work b dis? Too long abeg.. U guys above me shld pls gimme d summary of evritin *yawning*

I Wonder How You Passed WAEC, JAMB, GCE And Even College Exams If You Can't Read This Simple Paragraphs.

rexben:
Yes. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. John 3:16.

Lobatan. You said God borne a son. How about God's other sons according to the Bible, are they any less dignified?. There also other begotten son in the Bible.

What Is "Begotten Son"?

rexben:
13 When Jesus came to the area of Caesarea Philippi, he asked his disciples, "Who do people say that the Son of Man is?" 14 They answered, "Some say John the Baptist, others Elijah, and others Jeremiah or one of the prophets." 15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?" 16 Simon Peter answered, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God." 17 And Jesus answered him, "You are blessed, Simon son of Jonah, because flesh and blood did not reveal this to you, but my Father in heaven!
Matt 16:13-17. Jesus never said His disciples are Christians neither did He said His disciples are Muslims or Buddhist etc. I no longer call you slaves, because the slave does not understand what his master is doing. But I have called you friends, because I have revealed to you everything I heard from my Father.
John 15:15

So should we conclude that God borne a son?. Verses you quoted still dont define what 'son' is. Quran teaches us that God does not begets.

rexben:
@emp.iree. You proclaim or preach Islam,a religion built on lies like other religion. I can't continuing trying to tell you the truth because you are not ready to listen,all you believe in is lies.

Excuse me, can you please quote Islamic text that are lies?

For this is the way God loved the world: He gave his one and only Son, so that everyone who believes in him will not perish but have eternal life.

You are yet too answer this question at underlined. What is definition of Only Son, Begotten Son?. Pay close attention to the statement, is appear to be a voice of second person speaking for God. Who is the speaker?


And You Claim To Be 'Disciple' Of Jesus But His True Disciples Proclaim To Be Muslims As Recorded In These Verses.



he{Jesus} said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Sura 3:49




"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger {Jesus}: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'". Sura 5:111

Scholar8200:
Seen




1. If Simon Peter was a Nazarene with these beliefs then what went wrong when he wrote 1 & 2 Peter

2. If Peter and the other Apostles disowned Paul then why did Peter say this:

Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation, just as our dear brother Paul also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him
2 Peter 3:15


Here Peter was writing to Gentile believers that Paul had evangelised; the Nazarenes were Jewish believers who held to their judaismic background and were based in Jerusalem. Also they were not the audience of the letter written in Acts 15.

And if they disowned Paul, why was Paul in Jerusalem, of all places, accused as the ringleader:'

"We have found this man to be a troublemaker, stirring up riots among the Jews all over the world. He is a ringleader of the Nazarene sect
Acts 24:5

Now concerning the Nazarenes, this much is said by wikipedia showing that your source doctored history to suit his/her blog:

Nazarene beliefs[edit]
The beliefs of the Nazarene sect or sects are described through various church fathers and heresiologists.

in Jesus as Messiah:
The Nazarenes... accept Messiah in such a way that they do not cease to observe the old Law.

— Jerome, On. Is. 8:14
in the Virgin Birth:
They believe that Messiah, the Son of God, was born of the Virgin Mary.
[size=14pt]
— Jerome, Letter 75 Jerome to Augustine
in Jesus as the Son of God:
[/size]Matthew, also called Levi, apostle and aforetimes publican, composed a gospel of Christ at first published in Judea in Hebrew for the sake of those of the circumcision who believed, but this was afterwards translated into Greek though by what author is uncertain. The Hebrew itself has been preserved until the present day in the library at Cæsarea which Pamphilus so diligently gathered. I have also had the opportunity of having the volume described to me by the Nazarenes of Beroea, a city of Syria, who use it. In this it is to be noted that wherever the Evangelist, whether on his own account or in the person of our Lord the Saviour quotes the testimony of the Old Testament he does not follow the authority of the translators of the Septuagint but the Hebrew. Wherefore these two forms exist “Out of Egypt have I called my son,” and “for he shall be called a Nazarene.”
Matthew/Levi wrote the Gospel account to these Nazarenes, using the Hebrew language and here you have it black and white:
http://www.biblestudytools.com/cjb/matthew/16.html(look out for vs 16-19)
and
http://adamoh.org/TreeOfLife.lan.io/SDAcomms/Hebrew%20Gospel%20of%20MATTHEW%20by%20George%20Howard%20-%20Part%20One.pdf

So were the hawariyun the disciples known as Nasara commended in the Quran?

Nothing much to be said here. You can see clearly yor highlighted part claiming Jesus is not Divine which is in conflict with yout creed. Anything else?. As for Nasara as we (Muslims) know it, it means "Christians". But disciples are Muslims.

Quran speaks:


he{Jesus} said, "Who are my supporters for [the cause of] Allah ?" The disciples said," We are supporters for Allah . We have believed in Allah and testify that we are Muslims [submitting to Him]. Sura 3:49


And:


"And behold! I inspired the disciples to have faith in Me and Mine Messenger {Jesus}: they said, 'We have faith, and do thou bear witness that we bow to God as Muslims'". Sura 5:111


As for Nasara, it means Christians (5:82)


۞ لَتَجِدَنَّ أَشَدَّ النَّاسِ عَدَاوَةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الْيَهُودَ وَالَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا ۖ وَلَتَجِدَنَّ أَقْرَبَهُم مَّوَدَّةً لِّلَّذِينَ آمَنُوا الَّذِينَ قَالُوا إِنَّا [size=20pt]نَصَارَىٰ[/size] ۚ ذَ‌ٰلِكَ بِأَنَّ مِنْهُمْ قِسِّيسِينَ وَرُهْبَانًا وَأَنَّهُمْ لَا يَسْتَكْبِرُونَ

Highlighted is Na Sa Ra

Here is the translation of the meaning of the text.


Strongest among men in enmity to the believers(Muslims) wilt thou find the Jews and Pagans; and nearest among them in love to the believers (Muslims) wilt thou find those who say, "We are [size=15pt]Christians[/size]": because amongst these are men devoted to learning and men who have renounced the world, and they are not arrogant.



Read The Transliteration


Latajidanna ashadda alnnasi AAadawatan lillatheena amanoo alyahooda waallatheena ashrakoo walatajidanna aqrabahum mawaddatan lillatheena amanoo allatheena qaloo inna [size=16pt]nasara[/size] thalika bianna minhum qisseeseena waruhbanan waannahum la yastakbiroona

You got it?. There are other verses that mentioned nasara in reference to christians.

Scholar8200:
Here is a quote from the thread you directed me to:


Now I noticed the person quotes an Imam not the Quran. However, Muslim exegesis establishes that the disciple included: Peter, etc

The Qur'anic account of the disciples (Arabic: الحواريون‎ al-ḥawāriyyūn) of Jesus does not include their names, numbers, or any detailed accounts of their lives. Muslim exegesis, however, more-or-less agrees with the New Testament list and says that the disciples included Peter, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Andrew, James, Jude, John and Simon the Zealot.[1]
Wikipedia


The Hawariyun, disciples, have been praised exceptionally and promised to be given superiority in the following verse of the Quran as well:

‘Remember when Allah said, "O Jesus! I will take you and raise you to Myself and purify you of the falsehoods and of those who blaspheme. I will make those who follow you, superior to those who reject faith, to the day of resurrection. Then you shall return to Me and I will judge between you of the matters wherein you dispute." (Surah 3, Verse 55)
http://islamicglobalhistory..com.ng/2009/02/hawariyun.html

The foregoing establishes that Peter, among others, was one of the hawariyun recognised, he and the others were promised honour in the Quran, and history/the Bible reveals that he and they believed and taught that which you say is the unforgivable sin.

Do you agree with the Imam, the blog and the authors of the exegesis thus stated?

See, I understand what you trying to do. It doesn't bother me for a second. When it comes to who those disciples of Jesus are, since Quran does not mentioned their names, it becomes a matter of fiqh (jurisdiction). Fiqh does not from Allah. It is rather scholarly opinion which varies widely. Which means scholars may agree and disagree on a subject. It is clear that not many Muslim scholars support opinion of Imam Qurtubi because anytime I searched internet for "who are disciples of Jesus", it is always come under same Imam which means it is his only opinion. If his opinion/claim is valid, we would have seen many scholars of Islam saying the same thing. Here you quoted one Imam and asked me if I agree with him?. You so funny.

First, Islamic scholars do not make it incumbent upon any Muslims to establish Peter, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Andrew, James, Jude, John and Simon the Zealot as disciples. You gleaned this from wikipedia which has no authority in Islam. Wikipedia is editable. Now, instead of arguing over whether those 12 people named above are truly the disciples, the only way for Muslims to confirm that is by looking in to their teachings which MUST conform with teachings of Jesus for them to be accepted by Muslims. And they also must not contradict each other.

For the sake of this thread, if we have to assume those people are truly the disciples, what gives you 100% assurance that their teachings arent corrupted like they did to Jesus?. And if you insist they are the true disciples, then, they should have defined "begotten son" which you are unable to figure out. Remember that Jesus as you called him today is not his real name. Therefore, he has no idea what Jesus is. Likewise, those 12 disciples mentioned above, I am 100% certain those are not their original names. If their names could be corrupted, why cant their teachings?. I came across a hadith which appears to mention just one of the names of the disciples that doesn't even appear in the list above. Be truthful one second, it is the English speaking Bible writers who gave those names above.

Here is the hadith i came about and it made no mentioned of any of the names on the list up there. Read below

Abu Ja‘far (‘a) said, “The foremost are four: the murdered son of Adam, the foremost of the community of Moses, who was a believer among the Pharaoh’s people, [size=13pt]the foremost of the community of Jesus, who was Habib the carpenter,[/size] and the foremost of the community of Muhammad, who was ‘Ali ibn Abu Tàlib (‘a).” (Bihàr, 66, 156)

It says Habib the carpenter was one of the disciples. So you can see that it is not mandatory for Muslims to believe Peter, Philip, Thomas, Bartholomew, Matthew, Andrew, etc are disciples. That's from christian sources. To be fair, we can only accept their teachings that are in harmony with Islam and true teachings of Jesus as taught by Quran. Nothing more.

Just Came Across This While Looking For Another Hadith. It Might Be Relevant With Respect To Greeting.



Volume 5, Book 58, Number 148:
Narrated Abu Said Al-Khudri:

Some people (i.e. the Jews of Bani bin Quraiza) agreed to accept the verdict of Sad bin Muadh so the Prophet sent for him (i.e. Sad bin Muadh). He came riding a donkey, and when he approached the Mosque, the Prophet said, "Get up for the best amongst you." or said, "Get up for your chief." Then the Prophet said, "O Sad! These people have agreed to accept your verdict." Sad said, "I judge that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as captives." The Prophet said, "You have given a judgment similar to Allah's Judgment (or the King's judgment)."

AlBaqir:
^ Empiree, all I need is SAHIH hadith which says the tale, as you've rightly put was a dream. Then, whatever it is, does it make any sense? And that is called "sahih (authentic)?"

What I want to understand is, are you saying Ulama derived rajam from there?. I dont get it.

If i come across it i will in sha Allah post it.


In Any Case Though, The "Hadith" Is Considered STOPPED

AlBaqir:
Honestly I will appreciate you post a SAHIH hadith indicating it was a dream.

It was tru2.god who opened that thread back in April 2015. I detailed everything there when he challenged and made fun of it. I am just too lazy to go through all that now.

The tale is not related to rajm. Matter of fact, no mentioned of rosul in there. It was a man who had the dream. I wish i can go through all that again. I have gone through my posts this afternoon looking for it. Unfortunately, the thread is deleted. The "punishment" for zina is not derived from there. It is a separate tale.

True2.god's intention was why would punishment apply to animal if they dont reason like us. He thought the penalty apply to them too. But the tale clearly says it is a dream. Imam Bukhary didnt categorize it under hukm

joseph1832:
No need bro, you can see why below. And thanks for answering your mention.

Okay what you quoted:

doveda:
Stop being da.ft

I can insult you and I will insult you!
There is nothing you can do to change that

appears to be her subsequent post. I was actually asking for the "insult" you claimed earlier before I commented. Truthfully, I am not here to support or against @underlined. It will be unfair for me for side with you. It looks like you too have been draging something. In any case, this is a case of NL regulations issue and has noting to do with Islam.

By all means go right ahead, its a free world, but you should know I don't indulge insolent ragamuffin.

As for bold part, I see that to be mere rant. Frankly though, it is inappropriate. No one has liberty to insult anyone without just cause. And like I said before i dont know what you two have been dragging before my mention. You can just ignore her if you feel uncomfortable. However, guess what, you guys are going to make great couple

I Noticed This Thread Was Opened Yesterday And It Has Attracted Quiet Some Page For Me To Go Through Right Now. I Am Currently Busy

joseph1832:
I merely mentioned you to please indulge your moslem sister doveda who call herself a feminist

I consider this to be allegation against her because I glanced through the thread really quick and noticed that she said she didnt call herself feminist. That may have been your conceived notion. Can you quote her for reference?

and believe its okay for her a woman to insult and equate herself to a man.

Okay, can you quote her please. I don't want to read anything out of context. I will appreciate it. In Islam, men and women have their roles to play. Men and women are equal before God if that what she meant. But role play, different.

joseph1832:
Hmm. And what does Islam say about insulting people who insult you? And what does Islam also say about women who preach feminism? I know for a fact that Islam said a woman's happiness is at the sole of her husbands shoe or even feet. So what's with all this feminism nonsense you spread about.

Mind you, before you answer, lemme quickly mention the Islamic scholars I know here, Em.piree and Ri.lwayne001. So be careful how you answer.

What's gona here?. im aint scholar...just a dude.

^ scared the heck out of him

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AlBaqir,

Hadith you posted seems to be a dream We had discussion on it in another thread last yr posted by a christian. Do a little further research. The hadith of monkeys stoning another monkey for adultery was a dream

Afin