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AlBaqir:
Video and picture is Haram according to his manhaj so you cant find any Jabata video anywhere. But funny enough there exist a website where you can listen and download his audio lectures
www.voiceofthesalaf.com/audios

I wonder if there's any hadith in his weird world to prove "audio lectures" recorded is halal or haram. What a sick attention-needed scholars!

He's a local champion in Ilorin and his environ. His late father was a recognized Sheik in Ilorin. Though he has declared his father as kafir who will rotten in hell because he was a Sufi that followed Tariqat tijaniyyah.

By listening to some of his video, you will get to know who he is. 95% of his lectures are based on labeling this and that scholar or acts as kufr/bid'a. You will also learn a lot. Sometimes satan speaks the truth.

There is another salafi website that attacks him vehemently on their website:
http://www.simplysalafiyyah.com/A-Peek-at-False-Manhaj-of-Muhammad-Awwal-Jabata.html

Well, serves them right. One good turns deserves another they say. I honestly hate sectarian discourse but it's necessary sometimes. Salafi altogether are known to make takfir of people they consider heretics. I won't mention names but there are 2 salafi sheiks that i love listening to their lectures a lot. I never used the word "salafi" to describe them even though i know from the way they talk they are.

Just a week before Ramadan finished, I came across their lecture on "takfiri". It's part 1/2. Very interesting. Both scholars gave their thoughts in the lecture. They spoke about dessenters who called themselves 'Salafis' and are making takfir on people and everything. I could not stop laughing. I said to myself ' served you right' because both scholars themselves have made takfir of Sufis. I watched their video where one of them was asked about his opinion on Sufis?. He didnt blink twice before he said "that's the way to shirk".

Not only that, he seems to resent them a lot. I finally figured he has little understanding of sufism. In the video i watched in ramadan, he said he was accused by Salafi takfir of bending and kneeling to greet elders and that's shirk. I said to myself "there you go". You love criticizing others not knowing that evil that man does lives after him.

Those takfiri are themselves salafis. So these two sheiks in the video addressed themselves as "we the salafi salih". I knew that all along. This is the problem their Ulama have created overtime and now it backfires. They gonna have to deal with this for a long time. They mentioned Jabata in the video as well. He was addressed by one of the shuyuk as "Ali Jababata". I was just laughing.

It's their problem. They created it. They have the idea that knowledge is only taken from bin Baz and co bcus in the video he called Bin Baz "our father". I was like this is the kind of thing you people accused Sufi of. smh. It's same thing a brother is doing here now (kennyyossein). Who thinks knowledge ends with Sheik Bin Baz (RA).

Anyways, the sheik tuned down in the video that you can't just call people kafir without strong evidence. But himself failed the same test long ago. I do have respect for him but they need to stop all these nonsense. There are other important issues out there to deal with. They finally called 'takfiris' jobless dunces

^ lol, offended?, trust me, im not. probably sounds like that to you.

PURIFICATION OF SOUL


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUukzZsM04w



TANI ALAKATAKITI BH


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ZR6ZJ9j-X4

^^ Alright. Enough. You have turned this to "my aqeeda is better than yours". I wont even bother myself posting his lecture here. And you keep forcing 'sufism' down my throat when in fact i didnt call myself one. Keep up with sectarianism cus that what you people do best.

Same old nonsense i went through some yrs back. Not for once @both of you defended your claims against sufis. If your ideology is base on discriminating against scholars of islam and muslims, then, it's faulted.

I will post his lecture in my profile. Simple

abuhubaidah:
don't get me wrong I didn't say is not a Muslim, but he is a mubtedi which the prophet warned us not to be.. I know this ADEBAYO very well, all tijaniyyat do believe that you earn more reward when reciting solatul fatih than observing the obligatory solat.you can check a book called Jawa'hirul maha'ny by Ahmad tija'ny or tenwiirul absor by Muhammad Awwal(oshodi). They also believe that is everywhere not in the samoh and many more.... Listen to sound scholars of Islam not mubtediheen

Sorry, man. I stop listen heresays you people spread around in the name of "I know him very well". Same old nonsense.

Let me get back on my regular pc and I will post a lecture of his i just watched. I am sick of hearing nonsense. And please when i post the video, make sure you watch it full becuase I am aware that Alhu hadith, salafis and co dont know how to listen to Sufi..the same way you refute one another. The video will dump your claim up there in garbage bin. It will tell you how he put emphasis on obligatory salat. smh for you.

Obligatory 5 daily Salat take precedence over anything. Get that fact straight

abuhubaidah:
brother please enroll in a modrasah because you know less about your Deen.. You can join us at da'rul Hadith

heheheehehehe, Ahl-hadith. I got you. Make no mistake, you are accusing me of exact same thing you doing..

Now, let's face it. Dont even think for a second I have time for descriminating against any muslim like you people do. You just condemned another muslim by saying "abalajo" meaning 'oh i see who you are now'. You people condemn segment of muslims for "blindly" following their shuyuk. But many of you do exact same thing. My question, what gives you right to think you better than others?. See, I dont belong to any of this or that group. I listen to any muslim scholars regardles of faction.

Since you people have been mentioning your favorite scholars and lecturers, I never condemed any. But if others mentioned thiers, just because you dont admire them, you call them names like Alhu bid'ah. So what are you now?. Alhu hadith, right?. Keep it up. I dont have time for this nonsense

Pardon?. He's not muslim?.

abuhubaidah:
habajo can't blame you thou.. أسأل الله لك الهداية إلى سنة رسوله

You may also take TUMS every night before bedtime. And a small quantity of food anytime you eat.

Also, ginger, lemon, and herbal tea. Cook them all together on low heat. And a teaspoon of honey(optional).

^See, another gross-bold claims again.... telling folks not to visit islamqa website. I visit it most time and i benefit from the site. Just dont know why you think your mindset is the only acurate one in matter of Islam?.

And those claims you put up there is like brushing a whole group with one brush. Again, I have never heard of any sheik telling their followers not to pray. However, I have heard from many of them warning against such thing. I think you have negative mind towards your fellow muslims. You may need to return to madrasa cus you appear to have lots of mixed up with people. I am not going sit here occupy myself with sectarian talks brother.

@ brother kennyosein, you have made positive contribution and well said. Even right here on NL you see them speaking nonsense and how they mate a girl etc. Indeed, they have no shame. However, (website) you quoted this from is a little partisan.

It's true that it common practice in christianity where they confess their sins to the priests. I have not seen this practice in any factions in islam. I have never openly seen any. But if the writer would critizise some sufi practice such a thing, then, I need to remind you of many of non-sufi website like islamqa.com where some muslims asked questions concern their sin.

I have read from their several times muslims asked questions like:

"Ya' Sheik, I had intercourse with my wife couple of days after she gave birth. What is sunnah with this regard?

Sheik xyz, can you advice me of what to do?, I had intercourse with my wife from behind

Sheik xyz, after I had intercourse and wanted to perform janaba, I pee on myself in the shower, urine was on my body. What's is your opinion on this sheik?

Sheik xyz, may Allah preserve. my father refused to support my marriage to my girl friend. I am seriously in love with her and me and her have have decided to settled, what should we do?"

Now, this is not the way the questions are framed. But definitely, they are related. What you do think they are doing?. Arent they confessing?. If you did not notice this before, kindly review their website. You will see bunch of these related questions. My point?, 'confession of sins' to saints, holy men and preists is common phenomenon among christians. It's not something known in mmuslim commmunity at large. Confession of sins is due ONLY to Allah and should be done SECRETLY. However, there is other confession that is sinful and also a crime. Like you cheated someone without victim know about it. We are allowed to go to the person, confess and apologise. Definetely you raised good point. Hayah is receding.

GeneralQuamdeen:
i really mean to say Quamdeen, it's not the first time you hear that name, is it?

Well, this is the first time I am learning about this pronunciation. That's why I tried to verify the correct pronunciation. Did you ask your parents about it and what's the meaning you are told?.

I will do a little research further but for now, I don think i recognize this name. Agaain, I iterate it could have been Qamar-deen (Kamorudeen). Pardon me.

Op, are you sure you did not misspell your name?. Are you sure you are not trying to spell Qamardeen (Yoruba accent - kamorudeen). Is that what you referring to?

^ Oops!

kaybyte:
salamun alaykum brother emperee. You have just prove to us that you are a sufi by adding (RTA) to the name of sheikh ADAM which is meant for the companions of the prophet (saw) in his time.

Walaikum salaam. [size=15pt]Sheik Abd al-Aziz ibn Baz(RTA).[/size] Are you comfortable now?.

What's wrong with sufi?

^As much as i like his quotation, i frown at the guy. He's a clown Lol

NYC Masjid

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OYIzja29Nzo

Umar

http://www.authentictauheed.com/2012/12/423-hadeeth-number-14.html?m=1

http://twelvershia.net/2013/04/24/ameer-al-mumineen-umar-bin-al-khattab-ra-just-and-god-fearing-ruler-or-oppressive-dictator/

http://sunnah.org/history/Sahaba/Sayyidina_Umar2.htm

Also.... SHEIKH RABIU ADEBAYO ABDUL MALIK (BABA L'OWORO)

is the basement going to be livable?

AlBaqir:
Mirror na Shirk (polytheism) on this thread fa
Those that can label eating spoon as bid'a will definitely takfir whoever uses mirror. Weird!

@ albaqir, do you have video clip for Ali Jabata?. I dont know who the man is.


@kennyosein, this is perfectly directed at you


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCB32MOjfNo

Keep it up

kennyosein:
Do you think I should reply a person who called himself a sufi, I have argued with him on another thread he made it clear he is in the path of sufi methodology may Allah guide him to the truth.

kenny kenny kenny my friend. How u dey. Easy brother. See, i was right about you in the other thread . You just proved it. And where did I say I am Sufi?. If I should say that it means I have to defend every single non sunnah practices by some Sufis. Yes, I do share sufi methodology because I have studied them to be correct. I believe many muslims dont know how to listen to them. But this is not the subject of discussion here.

And who told you are on haq and everybody else is on falsehood or bid'ah?. Where is certificate issued to you by Allah or His Malaikat confirming your assertion?. You aint dead yet but you are so comfortable?. Brother sino's posts are comprehensive enough. Anyways, let me leave you with words of great Sheik Adam Abdullah Al-ilory(RTA) on THE PRISTINE SUFISM AND PRISTINE SALAFISM


"I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf means indifference to what is with people and yearning for that which is with God. And I am a sufi only if tasawwuf signifies the unveiling of unseen realities and inspired knowledge of God the Creator."


[size=14pt]"And I am a salafi as long as salafiyya refers to holding to the Sacred Law with practices based on what is flexible and evolving rather than that which is rigid and narrow."[/size].

You follow the later which is not always right with time.

Imam Zaid Visiting the Grave of Malcolm X - 10.26.14

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KsygYd-VMA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZMKLnemVC6Q

Masjid After Ramadan



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Lament of the Masjid

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A few days after Ramadan, many masjids were seen to cry.
Someone asked, why?


You ask me why I am so grieved?
It’s because I have been deceived.

I ask, Oh Muslim, where have you gone, where are you?
Was the past month a dream? It doesn’t seem real or true.

Oh my beloved, was it all a dream, was it all a show?
That is why my tears do flow.

Why don’t you visit me, why have you not returned?
From the past month is this what you learned?

My soul is empty without you and also my heart
How can you feel at ease being so far apart?

You are the one, whom the Lord chose for his own remembrance,
So why should I not lament at your absence?

Why do I no longer hold any charm?
From where else will you attain inner peace or calm?

I call you every day but you do not respond
Day by day weakens our bond!

I call you in the day and I call you at night.
What’s happened? For sure something’s not right

Don’t you recognize me anymore? Don’t you hear my voice?
Is it deliberate or do you really have no choice?

When will you light me up again? Will I have to wait another year?
Going by past experience, that is what I fear.

OBSERVATION!

Masjid In Ramadan...................[size=20pt]Fully Loaded[/size]

Brother, what we need is to come to your office location. We cant be meeting seller at a roadside. That's isnt cool. Or you give us address of the property for inspection and you meet us there. Then we think about it and get back to you at YOUR OFFICE. Thats how broker works.

This is the only way we can deal. Fair enough? Besides, since you said the picture you put up there is sold, I dont think it's necessary to still have it up. You should be posting picture of the one you are currently listing. Please dont assume I am just troubling. I was serious at outstart.

joecooper, for 89k, how many channels that covers (that can buy)?.

opes:
i guess spyder880 did 18ft before, the link is here

www.nairaland.com/1111260/parapet-roofing-support-building-ebonyi/5

Yea, you right

PICTURES IN ISLAM

@ OP, you have to understand that in view of unprecedented development in print and electronic media, particularly TV, Internet and Video phones, it is important that we understand the issue of 'pictures' in Islam in its proper perspective. I understand the opinions of Islamic scholars are divided on this subject.

Al-Qur'an takes precedent first. So let's review that.


(1) It is in Quran - وَاتَّخَذَ قَوْمُ مُوسَىٰ مِن بَعْدِهِ مِنْ حُلِيِّهِمْ عِجْلًا جَسَدًا لَّهُ خُوَارٌ ۚ أَلَمْ يَرَوْا أَنَّهُ لَا يُكَلِّمُهُمْ وَلَا يَهْدِيهِمْ سَبِيلًا ۘ اتَّخَذُوهُ وَكَانُوا ظَالِمِينَ (Meaning - The people of (Prophet) Musa ( علیھ السلا م ) made in his absence, out of their ornaments, the image of calf, (for worship): it seemed to low: did they not see that it could neither speak to them, nor show them the way? They took it for worship and they did wrong. (Al-Araf - 148).



(2) It is in Quran - وَلَقَدْ آتَيْنَا إِبْرَاهِيمَ رُشْدَهُ مِن قَبْلُ وَكُنَّا بِهِ عَالِمِينَ- إِذْ قَالَ لِأَبِيهِ وَقَوْمِهِ مَا هَـٰذِهِ التَّمَاثِيلُ الَّتِي أَنتُمْ لَهَا عَاكِفُونَ - قَالُوا وَجَدْنَا آبَاءَنَا لَهَا عَابِدِينَ - قَالَ لَقَدْ كُنتُمْ أَنتُمْ وَآبَاؤُكُمْ فِي ضَلَالٍ مُّبِينٍ (Meaning - We bestowed aforetime on Abraham ( علیھ السلا م ) his righteousness of conduct, and well were We (Allah - swt) acquainted with him. Behold! He (Abraham - علیھ السلا م ) said to his father (the brother of his father whom he used to call father out of affection) and his people, "What are these images, to which you are (so assiduously) devoted?" They said, "We found our fathers worshiping them." He said, "Indeed you have been in manifest error, you and your fathers." (Al-Anbiya - 51-54).



(3) It is in Quran - يَعْمَلُونَ لَهُ مَا يَشَاءُ مِن مَّحَارِيبَ وَتَمَاثِيلَ وَجِفَانٍ كَالْجَوَابِ وَقُدُورٍ رَّاسِيَاتٍ ۚ اعْمَلُوا آلَ دَاوُودَ شُكْرًا ۚ وَقَلِيلٌ مِّنْ عِبَادِيَ الشَّكُورُ ( Meaning - They worked for him (Prophet Sulaiman - علیھ السلا م) as he desired, (making) arches, images, basins as large as reservoirs, and (cooking) cauldrons fixed (in their places):"Work O'Sons of David (علیھ السلا م)with thanks! but few of My servants are grateful!". (Saba - 13).


The first Quranic verse says that in the absence of Prophet Musa ( علیھ السلا م ) some people made an image of a Calf [size=15pt]for worship.[/size] This act on their part was wrong.

The second Quranic verse says that some people in Prophet Ibrahim's ( علیھ السلا م ) time made some images and [size=15pt]worshiped them.[/size] This act on their part was wrong.

The third Quranic verse says that some people [size=15pt]worked as per the orders of Prophet Sulaiman ( علیھ السلا م ) and made images.[/size] This act on their part was right. Why? Because these images were not meant for worship.

The above Quranic verses confirm the fact that the intention behind making images has to be virtuous. Images made with bad intention (for worship) are disallowed and images made out of good intention are allowed in Islam.


AS PER AHADITH

DRAWING / TAKING PICTURES OR EVEN MAKING DOLLS (HUMAN OR ANIMAL SHAPES) FOR GOOD PURPOSES IS ALLOWED IN ISLAM

(1) It is in Hadith - Narrated by Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) - "I used to play with dolls in the presence of the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) and my girl friends also used to play with me. When Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) used to enter (my dwelling place) they used to hide themselves, but the Prophet (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) would call them to join and play with me. (Bukhari).

(2) It is in Hadith - Narrated by Ummul Momineen Aisha (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہا) "When the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) arrived after the expedition of Tabuk or Khaybar (the narrator is doubtful), the drought raised an end of a curtain which was hung in front of her store-room, revealing some dolls which belonged to her. He asked: What is this? She replied: My dolls. Among them he saw a horse with wings made of rags, and asked: What is this I see among them? She replied: A horse. He asked: What is this that it has on it? She replied: Two wings. He asked: A horse with two wings? She replied: Have you not heard that Solomon had horses with wings? She said: Thereupon the Apostle of Allah (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) laughed so heartily that I could see his molar teeth. (Abu Dawud).


In Saudi Arabia we see the pictures of their kings hanging on the walls of every Government office, Universities and importance buildings. This is done as remembrance and a mark of respect and reverence to their kings. We also see all Saudi/Salafi newspapers publishing the pictures of their Ulema/people/royal family members freely on print media/newspapers/internet.

So the essence of the "science of hadith" quoted in the op making 'pictures' forbidden is in act of worship. That was the primary reason for it interdiction. Didnt Sheik bin Baz (RA) see pictures of great Ulama and Kings everywhere when he was alive?


Finally, it is in Hadith - Umar (رضئ اللہ تعالی عنہ) narrated : I heard Allah's Apostle (صلى الله عليه و آله وسلم) saying, "The reward of deeds depends upon the intentions and every person will get the reward according to what he has intended." (Bukhari, Book 1, Volume 1)

Wallahu T'ala Alam

@ kennyosein, you see how lacking theoretical/rigidity approach of yours sound on this subject?. Smh for you bro. I will be back here later insallah with flexible approach. Op is very wrong. Your problem is you and your cohorts take religious text too literal. The same way you argued on sticking to dua attributed to the rosul(saw) as the only "authentic" sunnah dua becuase you think your books are the only right one. This is called protestant Islam or lazy man methodology. You basically memorized this kitab and that kitab and downloaded everything. That's what you called 'knowledge'. Islam is to be understood WITH TIME using our intellect and exploiting Quran and authentic narrations and then derive meaning without stepping out of line.

What's the point of quoting medieval or 20th century scholars but can't properly deduce from their works while many things evolve around you today?

Anyways, be right back inshallah.

^ Oh sorry,, I mixed you up with someone else. It's the fundame.ntalist brother. Sorry about that. But you aint far from his ideology anyway. Sorry I dont do follow follow. That's misconstrued. Dont think for a second that your understanding of Qur'an and Sunnah is the only way.

You said 'dont follow blindly'. Aren't salafis follow their shuyuk as well?. They have their medieval scholars like Sheik Ibn Tayimiyah (RA), Sheik Muhammad Ibn Abdl Wahab(RA). Sufis also have their medieval contemporaries like Sheik Sidi Ahmad Tijjani (RA) and Sheik Abdul Qudri Jilani(RA).

Salafis also have their 20th century scholar like Sheik Ibn Baz(RA). Sufis also have their 20th century scholar like Sheik Adam Al-ilory. The two groups use different approach. Theoterical and spiritual aproach. You quote your leaders. They quote theirs as well. What's the problem. It is too much with you people calling them Ahl-bidah and mushirk. Sufis are not known to make takfir on people just anyhow. Afterall, they are muslims. Thats my point. Sorry that I misunderstood you for someone else.