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Pastor AIO: If there is any other post that you addressed to me that I didn't respond to, please let me know. I'll be happy to respond when I find the time.

The framework set forth by Ninian Smart, commonly known as the Seven Dimensions of Religion, is widely accepted by anthropologists and researchers of religion as broadly covering the various aspects of religion, without focusing on things unique to specific religions.

Kay 17: ^^
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Yeah I don't like to be compared with animanls, but we are all atheists!

Kay 17: Ok, that is cleared, atheism is not the religion.

Kay 17: As to evangelical atheism: hatred, publicity and religious rights make a religion?

Kay 17: What is "religious" right??

Kay 17: I am sorry if you feel insulted, I meant it in a friendly manner.

Kay 17: I will find the quote.

Kay 17: Yes, I agree with that definition of atheism and its association with animals. The absence of belief in a supernatural being/God, a BLANK slate, a position of NEUTRALITY, a starting point. Therefore for an atheist, the idea of God MUST be introduced rather than an intuitive idea.

Kay 17: With this in mind, would you tag this a religion??

Kay 17: On evangelical atheism, there is no error in saying these are ppl that despise and hate religions with a passion added with propagation of such hatred. Would that be a religion?? By virtue of hatred, or publicity??

Kay 17: LOOL

Enigma, you are a clown!!

Kay 17: You asserted atheism as a legal backing as religion in Nigeria.

When asked for the specific precedent, you FAILED to provide that and further support your argument, but ran off to make a false comparism with scientific theories.

Kay 17: Also you throw too many terms that don't seem to mean the same and treat em the same: atheism and evangelical atheism.

dalaman: . . . . In one of such thread the plaintiff even failed to establish that atheism indeed was a religion as the Judgement says. . . .

The problem with the district court’s analysis is that the court failed to recognize that Kaufman was trying to start a “religious” group, in the sense we discussed earlier. Atheism is Kaufman’s religion, and the group that he wanted to start was religious in nature even though it expressly rejects a belief in a supreme being. . . .

dalaman: It was a general statement, there was no context to it.

dalaman: But we are not on those threads, and your statement wasn't made on those threads, it was made as a general statement here on this thread.

Your foolery your problem

By the way, your statement is as idiotic as giving a general statement that g[i]a[/i]y marriage is certainly a recognized marriage with legal backing.

Atheism has been confirmed in Nigeria as a religion on whose authority? Where is the legal backing for such?

Your general statement remain very inaccurate.

dalaman: Nigeria recognizes wicca etc, etc as a religion

From the Nigerian constitution it says that

38. (1) Every person shall be entitled to freedom of thought, conscience and religion.

dalaman: Which part of the Nigerian constitution recognizes atheism(disbelief in God(s)) as a religion?

dalaman: Nope, your foolery, your problem.

dalaman: Doesn't this show how ridiculous your general statement is? Your words "(evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally."

dalaman: If evangelical atheism is certainly a religion with legal backings then there shouldn't be a problem about it being recognized in Mongolia or any where for that matter.

dalaman: Where is the consensus that atheism is a religion here? What am I to do with mere opinions and counter opinions?

dalaman: I just thought you could provide legal backings to your own general claims. If atheism is certianly a religion with legal backings, where is the Nigerian legal confirmation that makes atheism a religion? I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria and we are on a Nigerian forum discussing about atheism, so where is the Nigerian legal backing that says that atheism is a religion?

dalaman: This is the main bone of contention so it will leave all the foolery and derailment and concentrate on it.

dalaman: "(evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally."

This is a general statement. I am a Nigerian living in Nigeria and as such I will like you to tell me how atheism has certainly been recognized as a religion in Nigeria and which legal law in Nigeria confirms it as you have stated. Remember your general statements says that atheism as been confirmed as a religion with legal backing. For some one like me living in Nigeria which authority confirms atheism as a religion and where is the legal documents that confirms it to be a religion?

dalaman: In the science text books used in Nigerian schools. Go and get one.

dalaman: Which law establishes evangelical atheism as a religion in Nigeria?

(evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally.

dalaman: Which Nigerian law prohibits, refuses to accept or confirm Wicca or Scientology as a religion?

dalaman: Is atheism recognized as a religion in Nigeria? Yes or No?

Next time you hear someone fume that God is the most contemptible being who never existed, keep in mind that you just might be watching the first act of a divine romantic comedy.

dalaman: In the science text books that talk about it. Students in Nigeria get to know about Pluto from the various science text books available to them in Nigeria and the science text books which are an authority have stated that and as such have proven that it is not a planet. We are not talking about Scientology here.

dalaman: You claim that atheism is a religion that has legal backing and I asked you if it is a religion in Nigeria with a legal backing.My question is simple. Is atheism recognized as a religion in Nigeria? The fact that you do not want to answer the question says it all. Your shenanigans laid bare.

dalaman: Original logic as accepted by whom? You or me? I never talked about Pluto, you did and I never ascribed anything to it. Where is the logic that states that there is no proof of Pluto not being a planet in Nigeria? Which authority claims that there is no proof of pluto not being a planet in Nigeria?



New logic as agreed by who? Where is the legal principle that makes atheism a religion in Nigeria?



We are not talking about scientology , wicca or candomble. We are talking about atheism. Is it recognized as a religion in Nigeria, yes or no?

Enigma: No matter how much anyone denies it or makes convoluted but ultimately false arguments, (evangelical) atheism is now certainly a religion (a daft religion but no less a religion) as has been confirmed in various ways --- including intellectually and legally.

dalaman: If you know how science works and how planets are determined and how scientific theories are proposed then you wouldn't be making this statement. It is not regurgitation but a regurgitation of something that as already been proven according to laid down scientific principles that are universally accepted the world over. The Nigerian science body also belongs to the universal science community which declared Pluto as a non planet. As such Pluto is not a planet in Nigeria.

Is atheism a religion in Nigeria? Which laws upholds it as a religion if it is a religion in Nigeria? Your answers are urgently needed.

dalaman: In the science text books that Nigerians use in Nigeria.

dalaman: Pluto is not a planet in case you do not know.

dalaman: I am asking you a question and you are replying me with more questions. Where is the legal confirmation of atheism being a religion in Nigeria? That is what I want you to show me.

see "world expert" or "world leading" Darwinians fighting now on erm, well, in the final analysis, speculation.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-sloan-wilson/richard-dawkins-edward-o-_b_1588510.html

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2012/jun/24/battle-of-the-professors

dalaman: Don't you think the Christians here actually contribute to their skepticism? The constant squabbles and endless display of confusion among believers encourages them to mock and ridicule believers. If its not tithers vs non tithers, then is Catholics vs non Catholics, young earth creationist vs old earth creationist or proponents of the prosperity gospels vs those against, with each side using the Bible and laying claim to the holy spirit as their source of revelation and explanation.

frosbel: Atheism is a religion Pal.

A religion with a belief in the concept of nothingness or evolution or both .

Next time you hear someone fume that God is the most contemptible being who never existed, keep in mind that you just might be watching the first act of a divine romantic comedy.

Look Who's A believer Now

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Secularist leaders were usually raised religious. As clever youths, they would begin to handle the Bible critically. They prided themselves in being "rational" and would decide that Christian beliefs did not meet this standard. They would then go on to find intellectual satisfaction in picking apart the beliefs of others. Thomas Paine's "Age of Reason," a book beloved by free-thinkers in the 19th century, systematically went through the Bible, gleefully mocking each book in turn.

Those who later recanted their atheism went on from this common start to begin to doubt their doubts. They gradually decided that their rationalistic method was too narrow: It could pick holes not only in Christianity but in any attempt to distinguish between right and wrong or to articulate the meaning of life. They came to realize that they could only tear down and thus were left intellectually with no habitable place to live. John Henry Gordon, who held the only full-time, salaried secularist lecturer position in England, came to believe that secularism was a creed of "mere negations."

Having realized that their method was flawed, they then began to reconsider faith. Christianity, they discovered, spoke to the deepest realities of human experience. George Sexton, for example, decided that Jesus as presented in the Gospels was so compelling and haunting that only a historical original could account for this: "If Christ be simply an ideal picture, the man who sketched it will be as difficult to account for as the Being himself."

Their skeptical pasts did leave a permanent stamp on their thought. Joseph Barker believed as a young man that the Bible was error-free. As a free-thinking lecturer he specialized in highlighting problem passages. As a convert, he conceded that the Bible was not perfect but went on to argue that it was perfectly suited to speak to the human condition. The Swiss Alps are not perfect cones, he observed, but this does not detract from their grandeur. Thomas Cooper declared that his newly rediscovered faith did not include a belief in eternal punishment.

As is the case with Mr. Wilson, intellectuals often pursue long, drawn-out love affairs with Christian thought. Next time you hear someone fume that God is the most contemptible being who never existed, keep in mind that you just might be watching the first act of a divine romantic comedy.


Mr. Larsen is the author of "Crisis of Doubt: Honest Faith in Nineteenth-Century England" (Oxford University Press, 2008 ).

Martian: But an atheist did write it, the guy just didn't provide the source. you get excited over every thing you deem an atheist's mistake or dishonesty. lol...I smell desperation. Don't you have some evangelical atheists to rail against?
Why do they believe their chosen fairy tale with unrelenting passion and reject the others as nonsense?