Hanibbal:


You can't convince me until you tell me those personal reasons.

1) In 1992 or thereabout I know someone who went to TB Joshua with their relatives and was given a paper with something written on it in a language they can't read and understand. And to be put under her pillow or tied to her clothes.
This evil for many reasons :

1) It was not a prayer points.
2) Not written in a language she could understand
3) No Bible scriptures quoted or given in the paper.
4) It is unscriptural to tie something on your clothe for protection like the herbalist.
5)The name of Jesus did not appear in what was written in that paper.

She had a terrible dream after using it .

Secondly , the ways he used to conduct his deliverance is demonic to me .

3) The Bible says if a prophet prophecy and does not come to pass , he may be a false prophet.
He prophesied about America's election and the prophecy failed.

3) He made open his charity to a fault which is against God's words :

Matthew 6:1-4 KJV
Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven. [2] Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. [3] But when thou doest alms, let not thy left hand know what thy right hand doeth: [4] That thine alms may be in secret: and thy Father which seeth in secret himself shall reward thee openly.

4)God will always give you revelation regarding dangers about to happen to his children or the ones that could claim lives of people related to you or around you.
The building that collapsed in his church that claimed hundreds of life is an indications of which prophet he was .

5)Why selling anointed oil and water ? Is that scriptural?

Lastly , I watch a video where he told a teenage girl who had problem with her breasts to naked her breasts and asked her to press it to confirm the healing . This girl was ashamed and as she was doing it , you could see TB Joshua enjoying the show with his eyes fastened to her breasts. It was a show of shame and uncalled for .

Hanibbal:
I have read a lot about Apostle Joseph Ayo Babalola and I was once a CAC member so I know a lot about him and his exploits. I have read about Orimolade of Cherubim and Seraphim and this great man of God called Benson Idahosa.

And the ones I am opportuned to witness the likes of Adeboye, Kumuyi, Oyedepo, Olukoya and the rest. These are great men of God too but I strongly believe Prophet T.B Joshua did more exploit than all these people in terms of quality and quantity even though he was widely criticized as a satanist but this made me remember Apostle Paul's word.

I Corinthians 15:9-10

[10] But by the grace of God I am what I am, and His grace toward me was not in vain; but I labored more abundantly than they all, yet not I, but the grace of God which was with me.

I need your opinion Nairalanders

He was not a man of God .

I have personal reasons for this .

AntiChristian:


How can we confirm this? The context of the verse is where Matthew met Jesus. Matthew should have said Jesus met me or I met Jesus.

Why did Matthew commit a grammatical blunder by addressing himself as "he" (or Mathew) instead of "me"?

Allah addresses Himself as I at times. And at times He calls His name Allah or other names of HIs. And at times He uses Us/We for His Majestic self.

What is the context and exegesis of the verse you quoted?

1)
That of Matthew is not an issue because the book is not about Matthew but about Jesus.

Matthew is not the main character but Jesus .
Jesus is the protagonist or the main character in the Book of Matthew.

Where the writer is the protagonist , it would be normal to be addressed as '' I '' Me'' myself'' etc . That is , it will be in the first person singular.
But in this case , the book of Matthew only made mention of Matthew twice , in Matthew 9:9-10 and 10:3 . Other characters like Peter appeared even more that the writer.

It is the BEST PRACTICE in book writing to address the writer in 3rd person singular since his role is insignificant.

WHAT ABOUT THE QUR'AN ?
2) The case of your Qur'an is compound problems and that of fraud.
Your problem with the book of Matthew is that Matthew addressed himself in the 3rd person singular but you don't have problems with Allah addressing himself in 1st person singular and 1st person plural and 3rd person plural .
Is that not the meaning of HYPOCRISY ?

3) What has context got to do with grammatical errors and fraud of Impersonations ?
And whst exegesis are you going to give to errors, other than to cover-up the blunders .

Those that live in glass houses don't throw stones.
The mistakes and errors of the Qur'an wouldn't have mean much since humans can make mistakes or errors at time. But to say the Qur'an was written by God with a copy in heaven is pure devilish lie.

Ladtly , If you want to reconfirm what your prophet and Allah have confirmed , first contact Muhammad and Allah and if they can't give you a tangible answer , come back and take Matthew's phone number.

MaxInDHouse:
God raised Jesus from the dead {Act 2:32} because he fear God! Hebrews 5:7
So he is not the Almighty God as he can't do anything without the person who GAVE him power!
As regards Adam he is your God through whom you came into the world, Yes his son died and he couldn't resurrection his son because he's no more having God's blessings.
When Jesus wanted to resurrect Lazarus, he prayed to the person who empowered him this shows that the power was given to him because he remains obedient to God. If Adam had remained obedient to God he too would have become our father, counselor, doctor and teacher till today!

There no reason to continue with someone like you who could call a human being , like himself , his God and creator .

MaxInDHouse:
Adam is your Creator through birth!

It's God who gives the power to each of His creatures to do what they're doing, it's never by their own might! Jesus is powerless without His father's backing {Matthew 27:46} God gave Adam the power to procreate and the power was transferred to other humans through Adam!

So if Jesus does anything the power is not his own but that of the person who made him like a God just as He made Moses before Pharaoh! Exodus 7:1

Adam is not my creator but your own creator.

If Adam is your creator what is God ?

A Creator is one who bring into being from nothing .
A Creator is a giver of breath of life.

When Abel died was Adam able to give him life to live again ? No

Humans can only procreate and not create.
The word ''procreate '' means reproduce.

Animals procreate just like we humans . Are animals the creators of their offsprings too ?

When Jesus died was he able to live again by his own power? Yes . That is a Creator . He created everything by his power.

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.
[18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

This is the nonsense you have been taught by your organization which you want to spread , that we humans are our own creators ?

haddeylium:


Now, I get it.
Can you please just research what I told you?
Use Biblehub and check for their strong meaning and their translation. Then, we could continue this conversation.

There's one other thing you're mixing up and I wouldn't want to deviate.
All the heavenly creatures are Spirit sons of God(Son, as a virtue of being created by God). (—Job 1:6; 2:1; 38:7
Angel is not their names, they have their personal name too.
Angel is just a title which means Messenger!
Any spirit son of God submitting to God's service are called Malak(In Hebrew), Aggellos(In Greek ) and Angel (In English)

I'll ask again, is Jesus God's servant/messenger?

When you deliver a message for your father , what are you ?

Do you still remain his son or not ?

Are you his messenger at that particular time or not ?

MaxInDHouse:
Your eagerness to falsify what JWs believe is your problem!

As long as your mom lives, you will always remain her BABY! That's why when any disaster strikes anywhere around the world the first thing that comes to the minds of women is "where is MY BABY?"
The way your mom took care of you from cradle will always be there in her mind, so when people see you as a PRESIDENT or GENERAL your mom still see her little baby that she nursed from infancy.
So stop deceiving yourself!
And as for Jesus he was created the same way God created Adam that's why God's word equate both of them as God's sons! Luke 3:38; John 3:16 compare to 1Corinthians 15:45

Like I said before , you are the one that will remain a baby to your parents and not me.

How was Adam created ?
He was created from dust . Was Jesus created from dust like Adam ?
Adam was created in the image of God the Father and God the Son . Does that mean Adam was created the way the Father is with all the Glory of God ?
Can Adam give life to nonliving things like Jesus?
Among the creations of God , what did Adam create and which one amongst them was not created by Jesus Christ ?

The fact that Jesus Christ came in the form of man does not mean he is equal to man . And if not equal to man but equal to God , then he is God and not man nor Angel.

Philippians 2:6-11 KJV
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God: [7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men: [8] And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross. [9] Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name: [10] That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth; [11] And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

I am sure you don't know what you are saying.

MaxInDHouse:
What question again?
Haven't you heard enough from my brothers?
Did any of them disagree that Jesus is not our Master, Lord and King?
You were once a baby and no matter what you become in life you were once an embryo in the womb of a woman to whom you'll ever remain her baby!
Jesus is God's messenger (angel) no matter the position God GAVE him {1Corinthians 15:28} So he will still step down for his father and God after his assignment.
And what position will he continue to hold forever?
The chief of all Messengers of God both man and angels he will ever remain Archangel Michael!

How can a grown up man remain a babe ? Is that not an abomination ?

As for me , I am no longer a baby to my mother I am her son . Even in Christ Jesus , I am no longer a baby but a son .
But you are the one calling yourself a babe .

When Adam was created , was he created as a baby or as an adult ?

Jesus was never created as a baby by God but as an Almighty God like his Father in heaven.

Since you are a baby Christian I will tell you the Position Jesus holds and will hold for ever; THE POSITION IS THE RIGHT HAND OF GOD HIS FATHER surrounded by Twenty Four Elders and the Spirits of God and Angels bowing to him and his Father with songs :


Revelation 3:21-22 KJV
To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
[22] He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Janosky:


At the bolded, Yes!
Jesus "the word" is A god to all creatures.
Jesus "the word" is A god /divine @ John 1:1.
Enilove, you haveare confirmed that the Sahidic Coptic Bible, Emphatic Diaglott & NWT have a very accurate rendition of John 1:1.
@ John 1:1, (compare John 14:1 & John 20:17), Jesus is NOT the God his Father.
@ Colossians 1:15," Jesus is the first born of every creature"
Enilove, is the first born of every child still a child?
Romans 11:35-36 & Ephesians 4:6 Yahweh the Father of all created Jesus Christ.
Jesus came through the Father before creation of the universe.
Job 38:1-7 is hard for Trinitarians to digest.



Often in the scriptures, Yahweh gives command.
Any spirit being who obeys Yahweh's command is an angel.
Enilove, John 7:16, 3:16 John 12:49-50, Jesus Christ says he's an angel , obeying Yahweh's command to teach & redeem.

Point of correction:
@ Psalm 110:1, the Hebrew rendition reads:
Jehovah said to my Lord:
"Sit at my right hand"
Can you see that Jesus Christ (the lord of David @ Psalm 110:1, Ephesians 1:3) has his God & Father in heaven & earth?

Here comes the bombshell:
KJV Translators knew that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael since 1599.
The KJV Translators used the Geneva Bible to translate the KJV in 1611.
The same Textus Receptus manuscript.
Daniel 10:13 Geneva Bible ©1599.

Daniel 10:13
1599 Geneva Bible
"13 But the [a]prince of the kingdom of Persia withstood me one and twenty days: but lo, [b]Michael one of the chief princes, came to help me, and I remained there by the Kings of Persia.

Footnotes

Daniel 10:13 Though God could by one Angel destroy all the world, yet to assure his children of his love, he sendeth forth double power, even Michael, that is, Christ Jesus the head of Angels."

Enilove, no dey DECEIVE yourself.
JWs are very correct: Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.

What is hard for trinitarians to digest , that God the Father is different from God the Son or what ?

A child when not yet matured is called a child .
Jesus is a Son of God .

3) You said any spirit who obeys the commands of God is an angel .
Are the Twenty Four Elders in heaven who are obeying and worshiping God in heaven Angels ?
You Jehovah witnesses love assumptions too much.

4) Where did Jesus call himself and Angel in John 7:16 ? Jesus said his Father sent him. Does a father has authority to send his son a message or not ?
All you are doing is to assume what is not and to discard what is written in the Bible.
Despite reading in Hebrew 1: 13 that Jesus is not an Angel , you are still assuming what is not .

Hebrews 1:13 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?

5) How did Angel Michael become Jesus Christ ?
That is what your organization wants you to believe and that is heresy ;

2 Peter 2:1 KJV
But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Biblical evidences that Jesus is not Angel Michael are :

1) Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee.
ANGEL MICHAEL COULD NOT REBUKE SATAN HIMSELF BUT BY THE LORD.

Luke 4:8 KJV
And Jesus answered and said unto him, Get thee behind me, Satan: for it is written, Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.

BUT JESUS IN THE FLESH , IN HUMAN FORM , IN A LOWER STATE THAN THE ANGELS COULD REBUKE SATAN DIRECTLY AND NOT '' IN THE NAME OF THE LORD''.

That shows that Angel Michael rebuked Satan the Jesus name in Jude 1:9 above.

MaxInDHouse:
I believe by now that each commentator can see how JWs study God's word before we come to form a global family of peace loving worshipers having the same line of thought.
It's not just that some people just infused the teaching in our heads without each JW giving himself or herself to thorough research about what we believe.
I purposely opened this thread to show those criticizing JWs that we are diligent Bible students but the fact remains that we are dedicated to one course: Upholding the truth that worshipers of God must be united in faith! John 17:20-23

So we come from different religious backgrounds only to discover that the one and only true God has an organization of worshipers having the same line of thought in LOVE, JOY and PEACE! 1Corinthians 1:10

Therefore let's focus on the topic of discussion instead of arguments.

Why are JWs so strong in explaining what they believe with conviction using the scriptures? Isaiah 54:17

This guy na wa for you o . Instead of answering my question you are here babbling .

DappaD:


A much better translation of Colossians 1:17 renders it as “through”(Greek: δι) although “by” is a synonym of “through”, the meaning can become ambiguous if not properly rendered. For example, if I go through somebody to get to another person, isn’t there that middleman who made it possible? If things were created through(by means of) Jesus, doesn’t that suggest that Jesus is the agency through which it occurred and that he is not the mastermind of Creation?
If you hire workers from Julius Berger to do construction work for you, who do you think is the mastermind behind that construction project, you or Julius Berger? In whose name would the said project be documented as?

I thought this Bible verse has been deliberated on extensively. Even Jesus himself said that humans are called Gods(John 10:34-35) yet this doesn’t mean they’re equal to the Almighty God(John 17:3) Even Jesus himself agreed that he has a God(John 20:17) yet you say he is still the Almighty God, how?

You already answered yourself with the highlighted. Therefore they cannot be the same person if one is ordering the other one around. Psalm 110:1

Since you know that Jesus Christ is the one that created all things , does that not make him a God to his creations , even though through the instructions of the Father?

Jesus Christ is the one that created all things including the angels. He cannot therefore be regarded as an Angel.
The Bible makes this clear to us in :

Hebrews 1:13-14 KJV
But to which of the angels said he at any time, Sit on my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool?
[14] Are they not all ministering spirits, sent forth to minister for them who shall be heirs of salvation?

It was only Jesus that Father told to sit at His right hand.
Angels are ministering spirits .

Psalm 110:1 KJV
The Lord said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

This is the Bible making it clear that Jesus is not an Angel and David calling Jesus Lord and God the Father Lord.

haddeylium:

Yes!
They exist as mal·ʼakhʹ(Hebrew) and agʹge·los(Greek) which means Messenger


This is a common knowledge but looks like a new knowledge to you. You can research it .
Angel means Messengers plainly
Bolded, You saying Jesus served as God's Angel (Messenger)?(Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

If there are Hebrews and Greek words for angels , you think the translator of the Bible could not differentiate between those words ?

Regarding your second point on the fact that angels are messengers of God.

I know angels are messengers of God just as human beings are messengers of God if called by God to deliver God's messages.

But you claimed that only Angels are messengers of God as long as the spirit is concerned.
There is need to support you claim with the Bible .
Here I am not talking about any common knowledge which can be discovered to be false.Just like the time it was a common knowledge that the earth was flat.

The Book of Isaiah makes us to know that Jesus is God's Son assigned to carryout the works of redemption for mankind.

An earthly father can have messengers for his works and at the same time a son for assignments as messenger .
It will be wrong to say that messengers or slaves are the only ones that can deliver messages for the father.

DappaD:


And the highlighted is found where in the Scriptures? If Jesus is the firstborn of God’s creation, how does it make him the Creator? Colossians 1:15-16
Just listen to yourself! How can he be both the messenger of God and the Creator?

You gave Col.1:15-16 as evidence that Jesus Christ is the firstborn of God's creation , good and correct .
What about the succeeding verses which told you that Jesus Christ created all things ?

Colossians 1:15-17 KJV
Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
[16] For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
[17] And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Since humans are creations of God , it means humans are among ALL THINGS CREATED by Jesus Christ.

And a Creator is known as God. This makes Jesus Christ a God .

John 1:1-3 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

Jesus was in the beginning with God and he created all things by the instructions from God the Father.

Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in OUR image, after OUR likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

This means two Heavenly powers working together as one were responsible for our Creation.

THE ONE WHO SAID '' LET US '' IS GOD THE FATHER GIVING INSTRUCTION TO GOD THE SON IN THE ACCOUNT OF OUR CREATION IN THE BIBLE VERSE ABOVE.

haddeylium:


The Hebrew 'mal·ʼakhʹ and the Greek 'agʹge·los' that was translated to Angel in English means Messenger of God
So, any spirit sons of God that are his Messengers are called ANGEL.

"Do you think that Jesus is a “messenger of God”? (Mal 3:1 , John 5:19 and 14:31 )

Does the word ''angel '' exists in the Hebrew and Greek languages or not ?

Where did you get the information that ALL spirit sons of God that are messengers are ALL angels ?

Jesus was a messenger of God , the ONLY BEGOTTEN Son of God and OUR CREATOR .

MaxInDHouse:
Whatever you here me tell you about Jesus is exactly the belief of Jehovah's Witnesses.
It's further learning that you're demanding not how JWs view Jesus presently.
He was ONCE
©the first angel God created.
©the chief of all angels.
©a baby in the womb of a virgin.
©a smart teenager.
©a carpenter.
©Jewish religious teacher.
©wise Counselor.
©a God in human flesh.
©a dying man on the torture stake.
©a dead man buried among the rich.
©a resurrected spirit being.
©a spiritual lamb before God in heaven.
©sitted at God's right hand side in heaven.

But today he is now a crowd Prince and King ruling God's organization both in heaven and on earth!
We are declaring his Kingdom until he comes to destroy all enemies of his righteous rule on planet earth.
So going doing the memory lane Jesus WAS all the mentioned, therefore if you meet a JW who told you Jesus WAS a "dying man on the torture stake" or "God in human flesh" it doesn't mean he is still in that same position now because God has given him the highest authority both in heaven and on earth so apart from God his father Jesus is above all! 1Corinthians 15:20-28
May you have PEACE!

Are you saying Jesus was an angel before but no longer an angel?

MaxInDHouse:
If not for inherited sin i wouldn't have had any business with a Jewish man from Nazareth.
But because i was born, bread and brought up in sin i needed a saviour to redeem me from sin.
That man is Jesus of Nazareth.
So to me Jesus Christ is my Master, Lord and King!

But 'Jehovah witness' believe that Jesus is an archangel .
Why is your believe different from theirs?

MaxInDHouse:
On this religious section it has been noticed that most commentators do claim Christians apart from few Atheists, Agnostics and Muslims.
Each person has been expressing himself/herself regarding their resolve about Religion.
But Jehovah's Witnesses have formed an organization of like minded worshipers from different parts of the earth, race, skin colour, class, educational background, status and so on. This has help to bring us all under the same Master, Lord and King so that wherever we find anyone who subscribe to our teachings we can be rest assured that the same line of thought governs us as one family. John 17:20-23; 1Corinthians 1:10

So if you'll like to study the Bible with us you are welcome, let's see how God's promise of long ago regarding one big and happy family of peace loving worshipers has become a reality in our own generation! Isaiah 2:2-4; Micah 4:1-3

Please the thread is open to all, but let us keep our FAITH strong and back it up with God's word in order to SEE how it's benefitting those living by it's standard.

You don't need to mention the name of your church but if you feel like questioning the belief of any religious group then it will be appropriate to PRESENT your church so that everyone can SEE how things supposed to be done better!

I am Maximus one of JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES, once again you are welcome!

I have a question for you.

Who is Jesus Christ to you , is he an archangel or Not?

Goshen360:


Brother....you're not making sense. You asked me to you where stubborn kids are to be stoned to death and I did...so now what? Go and or teach another do do so whenever their kids disobey.

The truth is YOU ARE CHERY PICKING THE BIBLE WHENEVER IT SUIT OR OKAY FOR YOU

You are the one not making any sense at all and your problem is LACK OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOD'S WORDS.

BELOW IS WHAT YOU POSTED :

''Why don't you ALSO STONE YOUR CHILDREN TO DEATH WHENEVER THEY DON'T LISTEN TO YOU? Isn't that in the law of Moses too....many things in the law of Moses YO
U DO today and YOU SHOULD BE STONED TO DEATH TOO....how about that? ''

When I asked for the Law of Moses that stipulated that , you gave me the scripture below :

Deuteronomy 21:20 KJV
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

You said ,'' whenever they don't listen to you'' .

Whenever they don't means '' anytime they don't listen to you''.

Is that what the above scripture says ? Is the child to be stoned anytime they don't listen to their parents?

It is when a child has developed an OBSTINATE nature and refuses to listen that it will become an act of stubbornness.

Children occasionally will not listen to what their parents are saying , that does not make them stubborn. When you correct them , they will change.
God did not tell you not to correct your children.

It is sad thing that after your years of reading the Bible you still view God as a wicked God who will ask parents to kill their children for acts of
occasional disobedience .

The Bible gives room for you to correct you children thus :

Proverbs 22:15 KJV
Foolishness is bound in the heart of a child; but the rod of correction shall drive it far from him.

Proverbs 22:6 KJV
Train up a child in the way he should go: and when he is old, he will not depart from it.

AntiChristian:


You still haven't answered who wrote the book of Matthew? Was it Matthew or holy spirit? How can we verify?

Was it Matthew speaking of himself as he?

Answer that first before we move to the Qu'ran!

It was written by Matthew .

Can you answer my question also ;

Who wrote this Qur'an verse below ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Why did Allah say '' may Allah destroy them'' ?

mhmsadyq:


In Islam the Qur'an is an evidence of God my creator.
So, limit your understanding to you bible which seems to be making you insecure.

Why ask a question when answered, you will argue.

You believe the Qur'an is the word of God without reasoning about why you need to believe it ?

How did Muhammad received things that happened 3000 years b4 his birth from God and could not receive information about his personal life and family ?

What I mean is this :

Hadith
Narrated Abu Hurairah:
The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) would accept a present, but would not accept alms (sadaqah). And Wahb bin Baqiyyah narrated to us, elsewhere, from Khalid, from Muhammad ibn Amr said on the authority of Abu Salamah, and he did not mention the name of Abu Hurairah: The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) used to accept presents but not alms (sadaqah).

This version adds: So a Jewess presented him at Khaybar with a roasted sheep which she had poisoned. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) ate of it and the people also ate.

He then said: Take away your hands (from the food), for it has informed me that it is poisoned. Bishr ibn al-Bara' ibn Ma'rur al-Ansari died.

So he (the Prophet) sent for the Jewess (and said to her): What motivated you to do the work you have done?

She said: If you were a prophet, it would not harm you; but if you were a king, I should rid the people of you. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) then ordered regarding her and she was killed. He then said about the pain of which he died: I continued to feel pain from the morsel which I had eaten at Khaybar. This is the time when it has cut off my aorta.

Hasan Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4512
In-book : Book 41, Hadith 19
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 4497
Abu Dawood

He could not receive revelation about what was going to happen to him because his former revelations were googled and fake .

Muhammad had to send Aishat parking because they told him she committed adultery.
He took her back months after people reconciled them together .
But he could not say whether it was true or not.

That is just a token of the evidences that Muhammad never received anything from God.

Is it not unwise to believe such person ?

As long as you are living in this world that is
full of physical and spiritual pollution and in this earthly body , to be perfect or righteous is impossible.

PAUL DECLARED :

Romans 7:15-19 KJV
For that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I. [16] If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
[17] Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
[18] For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
[19] For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.

THE ONLY WAY OUT IS :

1) To accept Jesus Christ as a saviour that can help you .
2) To be filled with the Holy Spirit .
It is when the Holy is in control of your spirit that you can live a holy life .

Romans 8:1,5-7 KJV
There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[5] For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit.
[6] For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.
[7] Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be.

Holy Spirit will help you to crucify your flesh.

mhmsadyq:


You are only want to argue as usual.
You have been here sufficiently to know who Allah is.
Muslims have schooled you enough about Allah.

Allah is not an idol in any form or object.
Allah can never take human form for whatever reason.
Allah can never beget. This is an animal act!

[112:1] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"قُلۡ ہُوَ اللّٰہُ اَحَدٌ ۚ﴿۱﴾

(O Esteemed Messenger!) Proclaim: ‘He is Allah, Who is the One.


[112:2] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"اَللّٰہُ الصَّمَدُ ۚ﴿۲﴾

Allah is the Transcendent of all, the Protector and Far-Superior to all.
[112:3] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"لَمۡ یَلِدۡ ۬ۙ وَ لَمۡ یُوۡلَدۡ ۙ﴿۳﴾

He has not begotten any, nor is He begotten.

[112:4] Al-Ikhlāṣ-الْإِخْلاَص
"وَ لَمۡ یَکُنۡ لَّہٗ کُفُوًا اَحَدٌ ٪﴿۴﴾

Nor is there anyone equal to Him.’


For Muhammad to cause you these obssessions is also an evidence of his prophethood.

As a Muslim I have no issue with what Jesus did or did not do. He wasn't God nor the son of God. Simple!

[10:65] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"وَ لَا یَحۡزُنۡکَ قَوۡلُہُمۡ ۘ اِنَّ الۡعِزَّۃَ لِلّٰہِ جَمِیۡعًا ؕ ہُوَ السَّمِیۡعُ الۡعَلِیۡمُ ﴿۶۵﴾
(O Glorious Messenger!) Let not their (hostile and malicious) conversation grieve you. Surely, all grandeur and authority belong to Allah alone (Who bestows upon whom He wills anything He may please). He is All-Hearing, All-Knowing.
[10:66] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"اَلَاۤ اِنَّ لِلّٰہِ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَنۡ فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ مَا یَتَّبِعُ الَّذِیۡنَ یَدۡعُوۡنَ مِنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ شُرَکَآءَ ؕ اِنۡ یَّـتَّبِعُوۡنَ اِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَ اِنۡ ہُمۡ اِلَّا یَخۡرُصُوۡنَ ﴿۶۶﴾
Know! To Allah belongs whoever is in the heavens and whoever is in the earth. And those who worship (idols) besides Allah do not (in fact) follow (even) their (own sculptured) partner-gods. They follow but only (their own) assumption and conjecture, and they merely indulge in wrong guesswork.
[10:67] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"ہُوَ الَّذِیۡ جَعَلَ لَکُمُ الَّیۡلَ لِتَسۡکُنُوۡا فِیۡہِ وَ النَّہَارَ مُبۡصِرًا ؕ اِنَّ فِیۡ ذٰلِکَ لَاٰیٰتٍ لِّقَوۡمٍ یَّسۡمَعُوۡنَ ﴿۶۷﴾
He is the One Who has made the night for you so that you may rest and relax therein, and made the day bright (so that therein you may do your work). Surely, there are signs in this for those who listen (attentively).
[10:68] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ اللّٰہُ وَلَدًا سُبۡحٰنَہٗ ؕ ہُوَ الۡغَنِیُّ ؕ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ اِنۡ عِنۡدَکُمۡ مِّنۡ سُلۡطٰنٍۭ بِہٰذَا ؕ اَتَقُوۡلُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ مَا لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَ ﴿۶۸﴾
They say: ‘Allah has adopted a son (for Himself,’ whereas) He is Holy. He is Self-Sufficient. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth, all belongs to Him alone. You have no evidence with you of this (false allegation). Do you attribute that (thing) to Allah which you (yourselves) do not know?
[10:69] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"قُلۡ اِنَّ الَّذِیۡنَ یَفۡتَرُوۡنَ عَلَی اللّٰہِ الۡکَذِبَ لَا یُفۡلِحُوۡنَ ﴿ؕ۶۹﴾
Say: ‘Surely, those who fabricate lies against Allah shall not prosper.’
[10:70] Yūnus-يُوْنـُس
"مَتَاعٌ فِی الدُّنۡیَا ثُمَّ اِلَیۡنَا مَرۡجِعُہُمۡ ثُمَّ نُذِیۡقُہُمُ الۡعَذَابَ الشَّدِیۡدَ بِمَا کَانُوۡا یَکۡفُرُوۡنَ ﴿٪۷۰﴾
There is (but a few days’) enjoyment in this world. Then they are to return to Us. We shall then afflict them with a severe torment as recompense for their disbelief.

You can continue your argument.

I have not met any reasonable Muslims who can be a teacher to any Christian in this world as long as your prophet was commanded to enroll in any Christian school for knowledge as a student.

I have one simple question for you which will make me to know whether you are different from others .

What evidence do you have to prove that Muhammad Qur'an is from God Almighty .

To quote the Bible or the Qur'an is not an evidence that they are from God since anyone can writer down magical books which some people follow and it works for them.

What evidence do you have to show the Qur'an is from God your Creator ?

Kobojunkie:
1. According to the story above, we are told that the punishment leveled against the man had to do with the Spirit of God, not Paul, in much the same way that the punishment against Ananias and Saphira was also leveled against them by the Spirit of God and not Peter, meaning God , not men, judged them guilty in both cases of the crimes they committed.

In both cases, we are not told that Paul or Peter acted out of hatred against these men,nor are we told that they acted against them either. Instead it is the Spirit of God inside of them that we are told passed judgment against those involved.

2. Also, Peter , and also Paul, did not need to pray to God in both cases, nor did they call down fire upon these men. The Spirit of God instead spoke His Judgment through them in each case.

How does the above compare to your many prayers to the Father asking Him to kill those who stand against you. Are you suggesting in some way that what the Spirit of God didin tHe cases you highlight in the book of acts, compares to you using you asks to request God inflict evil on your fellow man?

3. As followers of Jesus Christ, we are called to love sinners, even those who work for the devil since that is what sinners all do... work for the devil. Where in the Bible does Jesus Christ provide you this exemption you continue to claim for your refusal to love even witches and wizards?

Keep on twisting the Bible @kobotwister , God is warning you.

Open your eyes and read carefully :

Acts 5:7-10 KJV
And it was about the space of three hours after, when his wife, not knowing what was done, came in.
[8] And Peter answered unto her, Tell me whether ye sold the land for so much? And she said, Yea, for so much.
[9] Then Peter said unto her, How is it that ye have agreed together to tempt the Spirit of the Lord? behold, the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door, and shall carry thee out.
[10] Then fell she down straightway at his feet, and yielded up the ghost: and the young men came in, and found her dead, and, carrying her forth, buried her by her husband.

In verse 9 above ,it was Peter that decreed her death by saying ,'' behold the feet of them which have buried thy husband are at the door , and shall carry THEE out'' .

WHAT ABOUT THAT OF PAUL ?

Acts 13:10-11 KJV
And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
[11] And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Did Paul not show hatred towards Elymas by cursing him and calling him names as you read above ?
He also decreed the kind of punishment he deserved .

What Paul and Peter exhibited above is known as HOLY HATRED , which is allowed by God.
The psalmist said :

Psalm 139:21-22 KJV
Do not I hate them, O Lord, that hate thee? and am not I grieved with those that rise up against thee?
[22] I hate them with perfect hatred: I count them mine enemies.

Paul and Peter showed they hate those who hate the Lord with perfect hatred .

You said it was the spirit of God that killed them isn't it ?
That means God killed them. Do you have love more than God who killed them ?

Lastly , stop saying what I did not say.
When did I say God should kill anyone who stands against me ?

We are talking about the witchcrafts powers and not the humans .

mhmsadyq:


You are comfortable with a God that took a human form to die for his own creation sins.

Why not dey your lane jeje.

Everything you said up there are your own conjectures.

We know what we believe as Muslims.

Yes God took a human form to die for his creations and to live again for ever .

John 10:17-18 KJV
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again. [18] No man taketh it from me, but I lay it down of myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This commandment have I received of my Father.

JESUS HAS THE POWER OF RESURRECTION .

But what you believe is Allah the black stone.
Is it not madness to believe in a stone than a man ?

Psalm 115:3-8 KJV
But our God is in the heavens: he hath done whatsoever he hath pleased.
[4] Their idols are stone, silver and gold, the work of men's hands.
[5] They have mouths, but they speak not: eyes have they, but they see not:
[6] They have ears, but they hear not: noses have they, but they smell not:
[7] They have hands, but they handle not: feet have they, but they walk not: neither speak they through their throat.
[8] They that make them are like unto them; so is every one that trusteth in them.

You believe a man like Muhammad who was bewitched over Jesus Christ the Messiah who casted out demons of bewitchment from demons possessed people like Muhammad .
Is that sensible to you ?

Kobojunkie:
1. Why do you keep shifting the goal post here. First you claim that witches are humans who are submitted to the devil, now you claim they are instead demons. Please pick on and show us Bible proof of your claim while you are at it.

2. When Jesus Christ took on Judas, the one who belonged to the same devil you speak of, did Jesus Christ seek to cast Him out or did Jesus Christ allow Him to stay within His gold until the end?

You keep speaking as if there is a group that is exempt from God's Kingdom and somehow believe this is done by God Himself but the very same God, in a parable, spoke of allowing the good and evil crops grow together in His Kingdom until harvest, when He will ask His servants to harvest them separately.

You however seem to believe that it is your duty to dispose of those whom you have set your sights against, going as far as to conjure up stories about how there is a separate group out there made specially for you to target and I wonder where in the Gospels Jesus Christ tells you this.

How did I shift the goal Post ?

Your problem is you don't understand spiritual matters which you always dabbled into .

A witch is a human being possessed with witchcrafts.

Witchcrafts is the magical powers or satanic powers from evil spirits or demons to perpetrate evils.

It is the demons of witchcrafts resident inside a person that makes the person a witch.
A witch is working for the devil by the power of the demons in him or her .

2) When and where did I conjure a story about a special group out there made specially to target me ?
Must you lie to make a point ? Beware for all liars will go to hell .

AM I THE ONE THAT WROTE THE SCRIPTURES BELOW ?

WHY DID GOD PUNISH THE WITCH BELOW?

Acts 13:8-12 KJV
But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith. [9] Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him, [10] And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord? [11] And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand. [12] Then the deputy, when he saw what was done, believed, being astonished at the doctrine of the Lord.

Answer my questions and stop lying to coverup your spiritual ignorance .

Kobojunkie:
In John 20 vs 21 - 23, Jesus Christ makes clear what that the righteous among His followers are able to forgive sins and not to. In both cases you cited - Bar Jesus, Ananias and Saphira - the unforgivable sin was supposedly committed , sin against the very Spirit of God, hence the condemnation.

Now back to witches and wizards and Jesus Christ's command that we love our enemies and pray for them, if you submit that witches are sinners, why do you continue to insist that you have been given authority to kill them?

And by what power does this fire come with which you supposedly burn them with? Obviously cannot be the power of God since what you declare is against Jesus Christ, the one through whom the power you claim ought to be sourced. Recall that a Kingdom divided against itself cannot stand so by whose power does your fire come down on your enemies, these witches?

Jesus did not die for witchcrafts powers . He died for humans and not for demons.

Witchcrafts is a satanic branch of the devil's power on earth.

When you ask God to kill the witchcrafts power operating inside witches and wizards , two things can happen :
1) The witch might be set free of the witchcrafts power , that is , delivered from those powers.

2 ) God can kill the human being harboring the witchcrafts power along with the demons.

In both cases , their evil agendas would have been terminated without harm on their victims.
Witchcrafts is satanism and God hates it with perfect hatred

THIS IS AN EXAMPLE FROM PAUL WHO WROTE ABOUT LOVE IN THE BIBLE :

Acts 13:8-11 KJV
But Elymas the sorcerer (for so is his name by interpretation) withstood them, seeking to turn away the deputy from the faith.
Then Saul, (who also is called Paul,) filled with the Holy Ghost, set his eyes on him,
[10] And said, O full of all subtilty and all mischief, thou child of the devil, thou enemy of all righteousness, wilt thou not cease to pervert the right ways of the Lord?
[11] And now, behold, the hand of the Lord is upon thee, and thou shalt be blind, not seeing the sun for a season. And immediately there fell on him a mist and a darkness; and he went about seeking some to lead him by the hand.

Whose hand was upon Elymas ? God or man?

MaxInDHouse:


So if your son or daughter should engage in casual sex indiscriminately, you will stone him or her to death shey?
Come on Mary Magdalene was a witch out of whom seven demonic spirits {Luke 8:2} were cast out, Jesus never asked people to stone her rather he drove out the demons and she became one of his loyal, discreet, faithful and humble followers.
So go and do likewise, nobody deserves to die according to Jesus of Nazareth! John 3:16

For God so love the world!
Witches and wizards are part of the world for which Jesus died!

When you pray against witchcrafts , you are dealing with the powers of Satan that is ruling that person to perpetrate that acts of witchcrafts.

You don't pray against human enemies but spiritual enemies which you can't see .
It is left to God to decide whether the power dies or whether the man or woman dies with the witchcrafts power .

I have not seen any church that gives the order to its members to kill witches and wizards physically .

I did not say that someone should kill witches and wizards around them. But it is mandatory and Biblically right to pray against the works of darkness of any form , be it witchcrafts ,sorcery , magicians and demonic powers.

Rashduct4luv:


I would rather answer the question "What are the ahadith that can be used for Islamic ruling?"

1. Shaykh al-Islam Ibn Taymiyah (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
It is not permissible to rely in matters of sharee’ah on da’eef ahaadeeth which are not saheeh or hasan. End quote.
Majmoo’ al-Fataawa (1/250).

2. Al-Nawawi (may Allaah have mercy on him) said:
The scholars said: Ahaadeeth are of three types: saheeh (sound), hasan (good) and da’eef (weak). They said: It is only permissible to quote as evidence concerning rulings those ahaadeeth which are saheeh or hasan. As for those which are da’eef, it is not permissible to quote them as evidence with regard to rulings or beliefs, but it is permissible to narrate them and act upon them with regard to matters other than rulings, such as stories, virtuous deeds, and offering encouragements and warnings. End quote.
Al-Majmoo’ (1/98).

So we Muslims don't derive rulings from Da'eef hadith as they can be falsehood or contain errors, etc.

And i think the classification and authentication of the ahadith makes it overtly authentic than your Bible.

No one classifies/authenticates the Bible. You just accept it by faith.

For example: In Matthew narrates in Matthew 9:9-10

9 As Jesus went on from there, he saw a man named Matthew sitting at the tax collector’s booth. “Follow me,” he told him, and Matthew got up and followed him.

10 While Jesus was having dinner at Matthew’s house, many tax collectors and sinners came and ate with him and his disciples. 11 When the Pharisees saw this, they asked his disciples, “Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?”

If truly Matthew narrated the above about Jesus, then Matthew won't have repeated his name several times as captured in bold.
How do we classify this Bible verse now?
But who cares in Christianity! Holy Spirit will cover up for the mistakes!

You have just quoted a daif Bible written by the daif Muslim.
The true Bible did not mention Matthew's name severally as you claimed above :

Matthew 9:9-10 KJV
And as Jesus passed forth from thence, he saw a man, named Matthew, sitting at the receipt of custom: and he saith unto him, Follow me. And he arose, and followed him. [10] And it came to pass, as Jesus sat at meat in the house, behold, many publicans and sinners came and sat down with him and his disciples.

Why should there be weak or strong book of Allah since a copy is in heaven with Allah ?

Now let's take a look at your Qur'an :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"The Jews say, "Ezra is the son of Allah "; and the Christians say, "The Messiah is the son of Allah." That is their statement from their mouths; they imitate the saying of those who disbelieved [before them]. May Allah destroy them; how are they deluded?"
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 30)

Just like your question above about whether it was Matthew who wrote the book of Matthew .
Who wrote the above Qur'an ? Who was the speaker ?

How can Allah say '' may Allah destroy them''?

MaxInDHouse:
Churchgoers only feel hatred for anyone called "WITCH" so they capitalized on the Old Testament whenever they hear anything about witchcraft.
God's law even commaded parents to bring out their child who dishonour them and everyone will stone such a child to death.
But their Churchgoer pastors won't show them that it's only about witches that they're concerned!

You lack spiritual understanding and Biblical understanding because you are not a churchgoer.
Abd the reason you don't know that stubbornness is witchcraft and evil is because your understanding of the Bible is very shallow:

1 Samuel 15:23 KJV
For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry. Because thou hast rejected the word of the Lord, he hath also rejected thee from being king.

Goshen360:


Deuteronomy 21vs18-21.

Deuteronomy 21:20 KJV
And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard.

For a child to be stubborn and rebellious he is a witch and can die at any time even if the parents can't kill him or don't want him dead.

Rebellion is witchcrafts .

Exodus 20:12 KJV
Honour thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the Lord thy God giveth thee.

Whether old or new testament , God's commandments still stand and must be obeyed.
Although people may not punishment them according to the Bible , the demons can use this as a ladder to attack them and cut short their lives .

Prozico22:
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Only a fool will not know that following you will lead him or her to hell .

Lukuluku69:


The Bible condemns killing you say?

The Universality of Qur'an injuctions can be seen in it's ruling on:

Commerce, Marriage, Divorce, inheritance, Worship, and many many other facets of human interaction.

Islam breads terrorists and therefore dangerous for global peace.

Hadith
Narrated Abu Huraira:
Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "I have been sent with the shortest expressions bearing the widest meanings, and I have been made victorious with terror (cast in the hearts of the enemy), and while I was sleeping, the keys of the treasures of the world were brought to me and put in my hand." Abu Huraira added: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) has left the world and now you, people, are bringing out those treasures (i.e. the Prophet did not benefit by them).
Sahih al-Bukhari 2977
In-book : Book 56, Hadith 186
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 220  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Al-Bara:
A man whose face was covered with an iron mask (i.e. clad in armor) came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, "O Allah's Messenger (ﷺ)! Shall I fight or embrace Islam first? "The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "Embrace Islam first and then fight." So he embraced Islam, and was martyred. Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, A Little work, but a great reward. "(He did very little (after embracing Islam), but he will be rewarded in Abundance).
Sahih al-Bukhari 2808
In-book : Book 56, Hadith 24
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 63  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Islamic views of women is not good either :

Hadith
Narrated `Aisha:
The things which annul prayer were mentioned before me (and those were): a dog, a donkey and a woman. I said, "You have compared us (women) to donkeys and dogs. By Allah! I saw the Prophet (ﷺ) praying while I used to lie in (my) bed between him and the Qibla. Whenever I was in need of something, I disliked to sit and trouble the Prophet. So, I would slip away by the side of his feet."
Sahih al-Bukhari 514
In-book : Book 8, Hadith 161
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 1, Book 9, Hadith 493  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Politically , Islam with be unfair to other religions :

Hadith
It has been narrated by 'Umar b. al-Khattib that he heard the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) say:
I will expel the Jews and Christians from the Arabian Peninsula and will not leave any but Muslim.
Sahih Muslim 1767 a
In-book : Book 32, Hadith 75
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 19, Hadith 4366  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

Lastly , dogs will have to be wiped out from the earthly surface :

Hadith
Narrated Jabir ibn Abdullah:
The Prophet of Allah (ﷺ) ordered to kill dogs, and we were even killing a dog which a woman brought with her from the desert. Afterwards he forbade to kill them, saying: Confine yourselves to the type which is black.
Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 2846
In-book : Book 17, Hadith 3
English translation : Book 16, Hadith 2840
Abu Dawood

There won't be freedom of religion because apostate is punishment of death .

These are some of the reasons I think adoption of Islam as a global religion will be wrong.