helinues:




My friend that's simply land grabbing, same thing the boko haram are doing...

According to both, they are carrying out God commands...

What is land grabbing ?
Killing for religion is land grabbing ?

From the hadith I gave you , did you see anything related to land grabbing ?

What I don't do and which I hate is calling white black or black white.
The war of Islam is doing is about religion , period.
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helinues:


What justification are you using to judge which of the God goals is right between Crusade and Jihad?

The crusade was set up to wrest the Holy Land ( Jerusalem ) and other lands from Muslim control.

That is , it was set up for protection and liberation . And the Israelites were not part of the crusaders.

The Jihad was set up to acquire lands for Islam by killing the occupiers of the land and forced them to accept Islam by force .

Hadith
Narrated Anas ibn Malik:
The Prophet (ﷺ) said: I am commanded to fight with men till they testify that there is no god but Allah, and that Muhammad is His servant and His Apostle, face our qiblah (direction of prayer), eat what we slaughter, and pray like us. When they do that, their life and property are unlawful for us except what is due to them. They will have the same rights as the Muslims have, and have the same responsibilities as the Muslims have.

Sunan Abi Dawud 2641
In-book : Book 15, Hadith 165
English translation : Book 14, Hadith 2635
Abu Dawood

mhmsadyq:


This is what Allah said about Jesus, son of Mary:

[4:171] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"یٰۤاَہۡلَ الۡکِتٰبِ لَا تَغۡلُوۡا فِیۡ دِیۡنِکُمۡ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا عَلَی اللّٰہِ اِلَّا الۡحَقَّ ؕ اِنَّمَا الۡمَسِیۡحُ عِیۡسَی ابۡنُ مَرۡیَمَ رَسُوۡلُ اللّٰہِ وَ کَلِمَتُہٗ ۚ اَلۡقٰہَاۤ اِلٰی مَرۡیَمَ وَ رُوۡحٌ مِّنۡہُ ۫ فَاٰمِنُوۡا بِاللّٰہِ وَ رُسُلِہٖ ۚ۟ وَ لَا تَقُوۡلُوۡا ثَلٰثَۃٌ ؕ اِنۡتَہُوۡا خَیۡرًا لَّکُمۡ ؕ اِنَّمَا اللّٰہُ اِلٰہٌ وَّاحِدٌ ؕ سُبۡحٰنَہٗۤ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ لَہٗ وَلَدٌ ۘ لَہٗ مَا فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ مَا فِی الۡاَرۡضِ ؕ وَ کَفٰی بِاللّٰہِ وَکِیۡلًا ﴿۱۷۱﴾٪

O People of the Book! Exceed not the limits in your din (religion), and speak nothing but the truth about Allah’s glory. The fact is simple that the Messiah, ‘Isa, the son of Maryam (Jesus, the son of Mary) is Allah’s Messenger and His Word which He conveyed to Maryam (Mary) and a Spirit from Him. So believe in Allah and His Messengers and do not say: ‘There are three (Gods).’ Refrain (from this belief); (that) is best for you. Verily, Allah is the Only One God, Holy is He, far above having a son. Whatever is in the heavens and whatever is in the earth (all) belongs to Him alone. And Sufficient is Allah as a Guardian.
[4:172] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"لَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفَ الۡمَسِیۡحُ اَنۡ یَّکُوۡنَ عَبۡدًا لِّلّٰہِ وَ لَا الۡمَلٰٓئِکَۃُ الۡمُقَرَّبُوۡنَ ؕ وَ مَنۡ یَّسۡتَنۡکِفۡ عَنۡ عِبَادَتِہٖ وَ یَسۡتَکۡبِرۡ فَسَیَحۡشُرُہُمۡ اِلَیۡہِ جَمِیۡعًا ﴿۱۷۲﴾

The Messiah feels no embarrassment in being a servant of Allah. Nor do the closest angels (ever feel ashamed). And whoever disdains to be His servant and perpetrates arrogance, He will soon assemble together all such people before Him.
[4:173] Al-Nisā-النِّسَآء
"فَاَمَّا الَّذِیۡنَ اٰمَنُوۡا وَ عَمِلُوا الصّٰلِحٰتِ فَیُوَفِّیۡہِمۡ اُجُوۡرَہُمۡ وَ یَزِیۡدُہُمۡ مِّنۡ فَضۡلِہٖ ۚ وَ اَمَّا الَّذِیۡنَ اسۡتَنۡکَفُوۡا وَ اسۡتَکۡبَرُوۡا فَیُعَذِّبُہُمۡ عَذَابًا اَلِیۡمًا ۬ۙ وَّ لَا یَجِدُوۡنَ لَہُمۡ مِّنۡ دُوۡنِ اللّٰہِ وَلِیًّا وَّ لَا نَصِیۡرًا ﴿۱۷۳﴾

So those who believe and persist in doing pious deeds, He will pay them their wages in full and will (then) award them more out of His bounty. But those who disdain (worshipping Allah) and behave arrogantly, He will punish them with grievous torment, and they will not find for them any friend or helper besides Allah.

Jesus, son of Mary said:

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird [\b]by permission of Allah.[\b] And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)

Who gave birth to your God?

Mary gave birth to a son and not God.
Jesus did not come into this world in the form of God in his glory as a God.

Matthew 12:47-50 KJV
Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
[48] But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Isaiah 9:6 KJV
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

FOR UNTO US A CHILD IS BORN .
To Mary and to the inhabitants of the world Jesus is a human being because he came as an ordinary man or in form of a man and not as God.

Empiree:
please ignore that guy called "anti-Islam". He doesn't have thinking capacity

Do you have ?
Which thinking capacity made you Muslims to accept someone like Muhammad as a prophet ?

Hear your prophet :

Hadith
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
I heard that the people asked the Prophet of Allah (ﷺ): Water is brought for you from the well of Buda'ah. It is a well in which dead dogs, menstrual clothes and excrement of people are thrown. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) replied: Verily water is pure and is not defiled by anything.

Abu Dawud said I heard Qutaibah b. Sa'id say: I asked the person in charge of the well of Bud'ah about the depth of the well. He replied: At most the water reaches pubes. Then I asked: Where does it reach when its level goes down ? He replied: Below the private part of the body.

Abu Dawud said: I measured the breadth of the well of Buda'ah with my sheet which I stretched over it. I them measured it with the hand. It measured six cubits in breadth. I then asked the man who opened the door of garden for me and admitted me to it: Has the condition of this well changed from what it had originally been in the past ? He replied: No. I saw the color of water in this well had changed.

Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 67
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 67
English translation : Book 1, Hadith 67
Abu Dawood

Can you do ablution with this kind of water ?
If you can't , why following this bewitched man?

Lukuluku69:


No. Israel was not cleansed at all! In fact they got worse. Read Isaiah, Jeremiah and host of other Prophets! They became worse all you need do is read Jesus encounter with their Religious heiriachy. Jesus CURSED THEM!

Kingdom of God shall be taken away from them!

The FIG TREE shall withered and not bear FRUITS AGAIN!

They ceased being occupier and ruler in that Land when they rejected God's message thru Jesus.

There were many times they worshiped false gods and God punished them after which they repented and worshiped the true God till the coming of Jesus Christ .

helinues:


If we are to go with the logic of God goals been accomplished, would you blame Boko haram for what they are doing cos they also have the belief of following God's orders

There is Godly goals which is for good and not for evil .
There is also satanic goals which are aimed at evil and destructions .

Boko Haram has evil goals which need to be aborted to prevent evils and destructions.

mhmsadyq:


Why him no wait to explain?

He didn't wait because he is not an area boy like Muhammad :

Hadith
Narrated Sahl:
When the helmet of the Prophet (ﷺ) was smashed on his head and blood covered his face and one of his front teeth got broken, `Ali brought the water in his shield and Fatima the Prophet's daughter) washed him. But when she saw that the bleeding increased more by the water, she took a mat, burnt it, and placed the ashes on the wound of the Prophet (ﷺ) and so the blood stopped oozing out.

Sahih al-Bukhari 2903
In-book : Book 56, Hadith 117
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 152  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Jesus is love and peace but Muhammad was a gangster and wicked man .

Hadith
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
When the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) was distributing something, a man came towards him and bent down on him. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) struck him with a bough and his face was wounded. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) said to him: Come and take retaliation. He said: no, I have forgiven, Messenger of Allah!.

Da'if (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 4536
In-book : Book 41, Hadith 43
English translation : Book 40, Hadith 4521
Abu Dawood

Can you call this one a prophet ?

mhmsadyq:


Save the emotions!

Who gave birth to your God, Jesus?

You should be asking your Muhammad and Allah this question .
Why did Allah claimed he did the miracle ?

mhmsadyq:


Compare the words of Allah above and that of trinity below:

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.

Where does Genocide resides?

Was it not a command from your Allah to carry out the Genocide ?

Yes or No .

mhmsadyq:


Who gave birth to God Jesus?

You are a kafir for not believing your Qur'an.

Why not leave this satanic religion for good. I can see you don't have faith in your Qur'an.

mhmsadyq:


No.
If your God does not need a wife to have a son, We were informed that one Mary got pregnant for you God.
Please reconcile.


Allah does not have any need for a son or whatsoever.

[19:88] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ قَالُوا اتَّخَذَ الرَّحۡمٰنُ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۸۸﴾

And (the disbelievers) say: ‘The Most Kind (Lord) has taken (to Himself) a son.’

[19:89] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"لَقَدۡ جِئۡتُمۡ شَیۡئًا اِدًّا ﴿ۙ۸۹﴾

(O disbelievers!) You have indeed brought most horrible and unusual evil (on your tongues).

[19:90] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"تَکَادُ السَّمٰوٰتُ یَتَفَطَّرۡنَ مِنۡہُ وَ تَنۡشَقُّ الۡاَرۡضُ وَ تَخِرُّ الۡجِبَالُ ہَدًّا ﴿ۙ۹۰﴾

The heavens may just burst at this (fabricated lie) and the earth split asunder and the mountains fall down to pieces,
[19:91] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اَنۡ دَعَوۡا لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ وَلَدًا ﴿ۚ۹۱﴾

That they have attributed a son to the Most Kind (Lord).

[19:92] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"وَ مَا یَنۡۢبَغِیۡ لِلرَّحۡمٰنِ اَنۡ یَّتَّخِذَ وَلَدًا ﴿ؕ۹۲﴾

And it is not befitting the Glory of the Most Kind (Lord) to take (someone as) a son.

[19:93] Maryam-مَرْيَم
"اِنۡ کُلُّ مَنۡ فِی السَّمٰوٰتِ وَ الۡاَرۡضِ اِلَّاۤ اٰتِی الرَّحۡمٰنِ عَبۡدًا ﴿ؕ۹۳﴾

Whoever is (dwelling) in the heavens and the earth (whether an angel, a jinn or a human being) will appear just as a servant before the Most Kind (Lord).

You are quoting words of a bewitched man .

Lukuluku69:


1. Abraham came from Ur in Chaldea ( Present day Iraq)

2. He settled in Hebron and was clearly called a " Stranger" in that land by the Bible.

3. He had sons ( actually but only one of them settled in that land. The others were settled northward and southward (Edom/Esau and Ishmael and his sons)

4. The Land of Palestine was promised the children of Israel (The Issac branch) on the condition that they worship God ALONE And OBEY HIS COMMANDMENTS. As such, the Pagans of the Land were massacred enmasee in order not to pollute them and their way of Life.

5. Israel Repeatedly flout God's commandments and went after other God's.

You are correct to an extent but the ultimate goal of God has been accomplished .

The main reason God called them to occupy the land was for them to be consecrated and be cleansed from idolatry and pollution for the coming of the Messiah .
Who is to save the whole world of eternal damnation by his blood.

helinues:


Before you get emotional, get to know that I am not a fan of any of the religion.

Back to how America possessed their land, those are the past mistakes that the world have never taken time to correct... Same as the current conflict in Gaza .

How did religion get to Africa if not through conquering... Forced beliefs on blacks...

How about the slavery all in the name of religion? Those are the things nobody is interested in discussing about.

Did the missionaries enslaved anyine?
The brought religion and free education to Nigeria.

Shellsploit:


Useless quote

The quy is a kid.

Na today then they copy Christians ?

Their prophet was a photocopy machine.

Hadith
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) came to Medina and saw the Jews fasting on the day of Ashura. He asked them about that. They replied, "This is a good day, the day on which Allah rescued Bani Israel from their enemy. So, Moses fasted this day." The Prophet (ﷺ) said, "We have more claim over Moses than you." So, the Prophet fasted on that day and ordered (the Muslims) to fast (on that day).

Sahih al-Bukhari 2004
In-book : Book 30, Hadith 109
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 3, Book 31, Hadith 222  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

Hadith
Narrated Ibn `Abbas:
The Prophet (ﷺ) used to copy the people of the Scriptures in matters in which there was no order from Allah. The people of the Scripture used to let their hair hang down while the pagans used to part their hair. So the Prophet (ﷺ) let his hair hang down first, but later on he parted it.

Sahih al-Bukhari 5917
In-book : Book 77, Hadith 132
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 7, Book 72, Hadith 799  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

helinues:


Possessed on whose authority? Empty land or already occupied land?

On whose authorities did America possessed the land of America , which historically belonged to the Red Indians ?

Also , did your Allah not claimed he was the authority that took Israel out of Egypt and asked them to possess it ?

mhmsadyq:


Interesting!
Another reason that your brain need some repair.

Your Allah commanded your prophet to go and receive knowledge from the Christians and I showed this to you in your Qur'an. How does that warrant that nonsense you posted above?

Or you meant the brain of your prophet needed to be repaired because of the bewitchment he suffered ?
I think you are right if you meant it for your prophet :

Hadith

Narrated Aisha:
Once the Prophet (ﷺ) was bewitched so that he began to imagine that he had done a thing which in fact he had not done.

Sahih al-Bukhari 3175
In-book : Book 58, Hadith 17
USC-MSA web (English) : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 400  (deprecated)
Sahih Bukhari

I believe you that something serious had gone wrong with the brain of your prophet . Eg.

Hadith
Narrated Abu Sa'id al-Khudri:
The people asked the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ): Can we perform ablution out of the well of Buda'ah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and is not defiled by anything.

Sahih (Al-Albani)
Sunan Abi Dawud 66
In-book : Book 1, Hadith 66
English translation : Book 1, Hadith 66
Abu Dawood

You better leave this filthy , dirty , insane prophet b4 it is too late for you.

helinues:


That word conquered,what does it mean?

It means to overcome in battle.

Mind you , I did not say they did not fight to possess the land .

They possessed the land accordingly and did not spread their religion beyond their territory.

This was more than 1500 years b4 Christianity and 2000 years b4 Islam .

helinues:


Very good.. Are you now saying when the Israelites leave the Egypt and migrated to Canaan,they did not meet people in Canaan which are the Arabs and Philistines then now Palestine's?

They were not Arabs nor Philistines :

These were the occupiers of the land b4 Israel conquered them and possessed the Land :

Genesis 15:18-21 KJV
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:
[19] The Kenites, and the Kenizzites, and the Kadmonites,
[20] And the Hittites, and the Perizzites, and the Rephaims,
[21] And the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Girgashites, and the Jebusites.

helinues:


Where was/is the Abraham's promised land?

What's the story about departing red sea into 2 all about?

The promised land is Canaan , present Israel.

The Israelites went to Egypt because God wanted them to go their as a sign to show the world that He is God.

They were there for some years after Joseph's death they were enslaved by the Egyptians.

Genesis 15:13 KJV
And he said unto Abram, Know of a surety that thy seed shall be a stranger in a land that is not theirs, and shall serve them; and they shall afflict them four hundred years;

Exodus 1:13-14 KJV
And the Egyptians made the children of Israel to serve with rigour: [14] And they made their lives bitter with hard bondage, in morter, and in brick, and in all manner of service in the field: all their service, wherein they made them serve, was with rigour.

helinues:


Israelites are migrants which means they migrated to the region as far back as Abraham's time.. God promised Abraham promised land but he couldn't led them until the time of Moses, red sea stuffs is around Gaza area..

When they arrived they conquered the place and other places like Jordan, Egypt, Iraq

That gave birth to muslim caliphate who fought back and started Jihadist... The Israelites called the war Crusade while the Caliphate called it Jihad

Israelites are not Immigrants. It was not their occupations to migrate from countries to countries.
Abraham was the ancestor of the Israelites and the Arabs. Are the Arabs immigrants because Abraham left his land of origin to settle in the land God showed him ? No.

The Americans , the Yorubas and almost every nation got to their present places as a result of migration. African was not occupied b4 .Some people left their previous lands and settled in these their present places called countries.

Historically , it was said that the Yoruba from the west African in Nigeria migrated from Mecca and some said something else. That does not make us immigrants.

Secondly , Israel never conquered Egypt and Iraq contrary to your claim.

Lastly , when was the crusade ? and how did those Caliphs who lived b4 the crusade came to rescue the Muslims ?

How did Muslims spread Islam ?

I want answers to these questions.

helinues:


The land that Abraham claimed God promised him is what is currently causing crisis in Gaza area.

Israelites are known to be migrants, that means they migrated to the current place they called their country now Isreal.

According to Bible, Isrealites were ruled by a pagan worshippers king, they had contrary belief and migrated from their original place of birth to seek for greener pastures..

The land was land grabbed all in the name of crusade and forceful conversion of people to their belief. They perpetrated so many evil during the time before the uprising of the people they are oppressing hence the birth of the caliphate..

Same way they forced their religion on Africa with cruelty.

Israel is the oppressor, land grabbed and trouble makers.

The Israelites had been living in that land for over 2,000 years before Muhammad came. And Muhammad even testified to this in your Qur'an:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَإِذْ قَالَ مُوسٰى لِقَوْمِهِۦ يٰقَوْمِ اذْكُرُوا نِعْمَةَ اللَّهِ عَلَيْكُمْ إِذْ جَعَلَ فِيكُمْ أَنۢبِيَآءَ وَجَعَلَكُمْ مُّلُوكًا وَءَاتٰىكُمْ مَّا لَمْ يُؤْتِ أَحَدًا مِّنَ الْعٰلَمِينَ
"And [mention, O Muhammad], when Moses said to his people, "O my people, remember the favor of Allah upon you when He appointed among you prophets and made you possessors and gave you that which He had not given anyone among the worlds."
يٰقَوْمِ ادْخُلُوا الْأَرْضَ الْمُقَدَّسَةَ الَّتِى كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا عَلٰىٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنْقَلِبُوا خٰسِرِينَ
"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
قَالُوا يٰمُوسٰىٓ إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًا جَبَّارِينَ وَإِنَّا لَنْ نَّدْخُلَهَا حَتّٰى يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنَّا دٰخِلُونَ
"They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; ......
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse20- 22)

The Israelites were in this land b4 and after Muhammad. But they were invaded later on .Thus lead to many of them living the land temporarily to seek refuge in Europe .
The Israelites came back to their land after the second world wars in 1945. This was acknowledged by the united Nations.

There is no record of the Israelites forcing their religion on any nation.
The crusade had nothing to do with the Israelites.
The truth is that the Arabs caliphates were the ones who were forcing and killing Africans and other nations around them to convert them to Islam. It was the crusaders that stopped these their atrocities.
Judaism was only practiced among the Jews only. And Christianity was spread by preaching the words of God with signs and wonders unlike Islam.
FOR EXAMPLE

Hadith
حَدَّثَنَا يَحْيَى بْنُ يَحْيَى التَّمِيمِيُّ، حَدَّثَنَا سُلَيْمُ بْنُ أَخْضَرَ، عَنِ ابْنِ عَوْنٍ، قَالَ كَتَبْتُ إِلَى نَافِعٍ أَسْأَلُهُ عَنِ الدُّعَاءِ، قَبْلَ الْقِتَالِ قَالَ فَكَتَبَ إِلَىَّ إِنَّمَا كَانَ ذَلِكَ فِي أَوَّلِ الإِسْلاَمِ قَدْ أَغَارَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم عَلَى بَنِي الْمُصْطَلِقِ وَهُمْ غَارُّونَ وَأَنْعَامُهُمْ تُسْقَى عَلَى الْمَاءِ فَقَتَلَ مُقَاتِلَتَهُمْ وَسَبَى سَبْيَهُمْ وَأَصَابَ يَوْمَئِذٍ - قَالَ يَحْيَى أَحْسِبُهُ قَالَ - جُوَيْرِيَةَ - أَوْ قَالَ الْبَتَّةَ - ابْنَةَ الْحَارِثِ وَحَدَّثَنِي هَذَا الْحَدِيثَ عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عُمَرَ وَكَانَ فِي ذَاكَ الْجَيْشِ.
Ibn 'Aun reported:
I wrote to Nafi' inquiring from him whether it was necessary to extend (to the disbelievers) an invitation to accept (Islam) before meeting them in fight. He wrote (in reply) to me that it was necessary in the early days of Islam. The Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) made a raid upon Banu Mustaliq while they were unaware and their cattle were having a drink at the water. He killed those who fought and imprisoned others. On that very day, he captured Juwairiya bint al-Harith. Nafi' said that this tradition was related to him by Abdullah b. Umar who (himself) was among the raiding troops.

Sahih Muslim 1730 a
In-book : Book 32, Hadith 1
USC-MSA web (English) : Book 19, Hadith 4292  (deprecated)
Sahih Muslim

mhmsadyq:


Why did the God Makers- the council of Nicea - excluded Mary the mother of your God from Godship?
May be genda bias.

How old was God the mother when she got pregnant with God the son for God the father?

What significant role did God the holy ghost played in the God drama script written by the Council of Nicea?

Jesus created the animals , humans beings including Mary. That is the awesome power of our God .
By rejecting him , it means you love death.

Our God does not need a wife to have a Son unlike the Allah who needs a wife to have a son.

It is the power of God that made a virgin to have a son which your Quran could not deny but impossible for Allah.

You asked for the age of Mary or Jesus like the Pharisees because they were spiritually ignorant .

John 8:51-59 KJV
Verily, verily, I say unto you, If a man keep my saying, he shall never see death.
[52] Then said the Jews unto him, Now we know that thou hast a devil. Abraham is dead, and the prophets; and thou sayest, If a man keep my saying, he shall never taste of death. [53] Art thou greater than our father Abraham, which is dead? and the prophets are dead: whom makest thou thyself?
[54] Jesus answered, If .........
[56] Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad.
[57] Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? [58] Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.
[59] Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by.

How come Jesus is older than Abraham that was born 2000 years b4 him?
The answer is simple , he was God in the flesh.

WHO IS GOD ? HE IS A CREATOR AND THE GIVER OF LIFE :
Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"And [make him] a messenger to the Children of Israel, [who will say], 'Indeed I have come to you with a sign from your Lord in that I design for you from clay [that which is] like the form of a bird, then I breathe into it and it becomes a bird by permission of Allah. And I cure the blind and the leper, and I give life to the dead - by permission of Allah. And I inform you of what you eat and what you store in your houses. Indeed in that is a sign for you, if you are believers."
(QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 49)

That is a sign of God Jesus exhibited . That bird flew because it became flesh and received instant blood and breath of life.

Bring all the professors , doctors , magicians of this world together and see if they can by their Knowledge , wisdom and magic create a BLOOD of animals or that of humans.
But Jesus did this as a token of the sign of who he is .

sagenaija:
enilove, you are doing a very good job!
Particularly with this guy who keeps running from one issue to another.

It's amazing that even when the Koran is quoted he still can't see AND ADMIT his foolishness in trying to indict the Bible.

Instead of admitting where he went wrong he runs to ask another question or present what he thinks is another problem.

That is what mere cramming of a book can do to the human brain. It robs a man of the right cognitive function.

In the attempt to fault the Bible he ends up not realizing that his Koran (which borrowed heavily from Biblical stories) gets incriminated.

Well done!

Thanks for the compliment , but I know for sure , I am learning from you guys.

As per the Muslims , their case is spiritual. For someone who has been bowing to an idol for about 20 years or more , he can't leave or forsake that idol just like that because there is a covenant binding them together.

We are just trying our best and we pray that the Holy Spirit will arrest their souls and damage their ignorance , in the name of Jesus.

Thank you my brother , may the Lord keep and bless you and your families , in Jesus' name.

mhmsadyq:


OK. I hear you.

My questions again:

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did?
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

Thank you.

The answers are in the quoted post above.

You are just calling you prophet a liar by saying Jesus was the one who carried out the killings because you Quran says it was Allah who did it :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

يٰقَوْمِ ادْخُلُوا الْأَرْضَ الْمُقَدَّسَةَ الَّتِى كَتَبَ اللَّهُ لَكُمْ وَلَا تَرْتَدُّوا عَلٰىٓ أَدْبَارِكُمْ فَتَنْقَلِبُوا خٰسِرِينَ
"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""

قَالُوا يٰمُوسٰىٓ إِنَّ فِيهَا قَوْمًا جَبَّارِينَ وَإِنَّا لَنْ نَّدْخُلَهَا حَتّٰى يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنْ يَخْرُجُوا مِنْهَا فَإِنَّا دٰخِلُونَ
"They said, "O Moses, indeed within it is a people of tyrannical strength, and indeed, we will never enter it until they leave it; but if they leave it, then we will enter.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse21- 22)

This was a genocide order from Allah .

haekymbahd:
gods is different from God.

Psalm 82:6
6 I said, You are gods [since you judge on My behalf, as My representatives]; indeed, all of you are children of the Most High.(A)

7But you shall die as men and fall as one of the princes.

The issue with Christianity is you guys misinterpreted bible, you definitely know that God cannot die like men there is only one God believers are only representative of God on earth...

Exodus 7
1 THE LORD said to Moses, Behold, I make you as God to Pharaoh [to declare My will and purpose to him]; and Aaron your brother shall be your prophet.

Why is moses not part of the trinity since he is God?

kindly post a verse where The father himself or Jesus use the word only Begotten son.. I don't want to hear Paul, Mathew, luke, John said show the fathers himself or Jesus saying I am the only begotten son of God... Because God has a lot of son (Angels, believers, isreal, Jesus)

Note Beloved and Begotten does not have the same meaning?

I pity you . Are you Muslims the one to tell us the interpretation of the Bible when your prophet was commanded by your god to go and take lessons from the Christians ?

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
فَإِنْ كُنْتَ فِى شَكٍّ مِّمَّآ أَنْزَلْنَآ إِلَيْكَ فَسْئَلِ الَّذِينَ يَقْرَءُونَ الْكِتٰبَ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ  ۚ لَقَدْ جَآءَكَ الْحَقُّ مِنْ رَّبِّكَ فَلَا تَكُونَنَّ مِنَ الْمُمْتَرِينَ
"So if you are in doubt, [O Muhammad], about that which We have revealed to you, then ask those who have been reading the Scripture before you. The truth has certainly come to you from your Lord, so never be among the doubters."
(QS. Yunus 10: Verse 94)

The way you muslims falsify your Quran by adding and deducting is what you are trying to do to the Bible .
Psalm 82:6 says :
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High. As simple as that . Why adding ( Since you judge on my behalf as my representatives ) ?

God is a title and not a name. The same goes with the word 'Lord' . These are titles only like kings , father , mother etc

Moses was given that title by God not because he was a divine being but because God made the Egyptians to fear him.

Idols are gods if you worship them :

Exodus 20:23 KJV
Ye shall not make with me gods of silver, neither shall ye make unto you gods of gold.

Like the Yorubas , they have god of iron , god of thunder etc.
It does not mean they are Creators of heavens , earth and everything.

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 KJV
For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,) [6] But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

We are created in the image of God as children of the most high.
Part of this attributes are evident in the thing we human beings created and discovered .
Eg Electricity , cars , planes , medicines , telephones etc.

As per your request where Jesus and the Father said ''only begotten. Son ''.
THIS IS JESUS SPEAKING.
John 3:16-18 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life. [17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved. [18] He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Jesus Christ was the one who was carrying out the instructions of God during the creation of the earth and the heavens.
He was the one God was addressing when God said '
Genesis 1:26 KJV
And God said, Let US make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

John 1:1-4 KJV
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. [2] The same was in the beginning with God. [3] All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
[4] In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
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mhmsadyq:


I dey shake my head for your matter!

I guess your God was still in his mother's womb when the wrong people possessed the land.

Was there no other way your peaceful, loving,
signs and wonderful God could have taken possession of the land back to the israelites except by genocide?

How do you trinitarians find it convenient to condemn Allah's command on one hand and on the other hand uses it to justify the evil of Jesus as you just did.
I thing I am begining to understand why you believe in trinity.

Do you expect me to accept the excuse you gave for the Genocide committed by your God, trinity?

In the light of the excuse you gave for trinity committing Genocide, what do you now think of the words of Allah below:

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"O you who have believed, do not take the Jews and the Christians as allies. They are [in fact] allies of one another. And whoever is an ally to them among you - then indeed, he is [one] of them. Indeed, Allah guides not the wrongdoing people."
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 51)

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
(QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 29)

You are spiritually blind.

I said you are spiritually blind because you fail to desist from this very point for the fact that your god claimed he ordered the Israelites to do the killings you are accusing them of.

God is against evil doers . Why will your God ask you to be against the righteous people ?

Muhammad just repackaged the 360 idols around and inside the kabah to ONE IDOL called Allah .
That was what made him to worship the 3 daughters of Allah :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

أَفَرَءَيْتُمُ اللّٰتَ وَالْعُزّٰى
"So have you considered al-Lat and al-'Uzza?"
وَمَنٰوةَ الثَّالِثَةَ الْأُخْرٰىٓ
"And Manat, the third - the other one?"
(QS. An-Najm 53: Verse 19- 20)

After worshiping them with his followers he then said it was the devil that mislead him :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:
وَمَآ أَرْسَلْنَا مِنْ قَبْلِكَ مِنْ رَّسُولٍ وَلَا نَبِىٍّ إِلَّآ إِذَا تَمَنّٰىٓ أَلْقَى الشَّيْطٰنُ فِىٓ أُمْنِيَّتِهِۦ فَيَنْسَخُ اللَّهُ مَا يُلْقِى الشَّيْطٰنُ ثُمَّ يُحْكِمُ اللَّهُ ءَايٰتِهِۦ  ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ
"And We did not send before you any messenger or prophet except that when he spoke [or recited], Satan threw into it [some misunderstanding]. But Allah abolishes that which Satan throws in; then Allah makes precise His verses. And Allah is Knowing and Wise."
(QS. Al-Hajj 22: Verse 52)

My point is this , Allah is the devil who is trying to discredit all the good works of God by setting Muhammad up as a prophet to mislead you people.

Ignorantly you are all bowing down to the black stone inside the wall of the kabah . That is idolatry.

How about the Safah and mawa ? Was that not part of the rituals of the idolaters as well ?

It was this very reason God had to destroyed the Midianites to prevent them from hindering billions of people from knowing the true God.

haekymbahd:
My father and your father, My God and your God

Since God is your Father it means you as a believer is also God right ?

Yes , we are gods because God is our Father :

Psalm 82:6 KJV
I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

The direct Father Son relationship only exists between God the Father and Jesus Christ .

John 1:18-19 KJV
No man hath seen God at any time; the ONLY begotten Son, which is in the bosom of the Father, he hath declared him. [19] And this is the record of John, when the Jews sent priests and Levites from Jerusalem to ask him, Who art thou?

John 3:16 KJV
For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

haekymbahd:
Yeah he prayed to his father and your Father his God and your God

John 20
17 Jesus said to her, Do not cling to Me [do not hold Me], for I have not yet ascended to the Father. But go to My brethren and tell them, I am ascending to My Father and your Father, and to My God and your God.


Is Jesus not God anymore how is a God praying to another God?

Jesus is God because his Father is a God .A lion wiill give birth to a lion .

mhmsadyq:


What evil did they do?

Why didn't God do the killings himself?

See this again:

Joshua
Chapter 6
17-27
17 And the city shall be accursed, even it, and all that are therein, to the LORD: only Rahab the harlot shall live, she and all that are with her in the house, because she hid the messengers that we sent. 18 And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it. 19 But all the silver, and gold, and vessels of brass and iron, are consecrated unto the LORD: they shall come into the treasury of the LORD. 20 So the people shouted when the priests blew with the trumpets: and it came to pass, when the people heard the sound of the trumpet, and the people shouted with a great shout, that the wall fell down flat, so that the people went up into the city, every man straight before him, and they took the city. 21 And they utterly destroyed all that was in the city, both man and woman, young and old, and ox, and sheep, and ass, with the edge of the sword. 22 But Joshua had said unto the two men that had spied out the country, Go into the harlot's house, and bring out thence the woman, and all that she hath, as ye sware unto her. 23 And the young men that were spies went in, and brought out Rahab, and her father, and her mother, and her brethren, and all that she had; and they brought out all her kindred, and left them without the camp of Israel. 24 And they burnt the city with fire, and all that was therein: only the silver, and the gold, and the vessels of brass and of iron, they put into the treasury of the house of the LORD. 25 And Joshua saved Rahab the harlot alive, and her father's household, and all that she had; and she dwelleth in Israel even unto this day; because she hid the messengers, which Joshua sent to spy out Jericho. [/b]26 And Joshua adjured them at that time, saying, Cursed be the man before the LORD, that riseth up and buildeth this city Jericho: he shall lay the foundation thereof in his firstborn, and in his youngest son shall he set up the gates of it. 27 [b]So the LORD was with Joshua; and his fame was noised throughout all the country.


I guess you know what God was doing...

Tell me which country that did not fight over land possessions in the world .

This was about possession of the land God promised Abraham .
Also , Allah is guilty of this as well because he claimed he ordered them to fight and take the land :

Allah Subhanahu Wa Ta'ala said:

"O my people, enter the Holy Land which Allah has assigned to you and do not turn back [from fighting in Allah 's cause] and [thus] become losers.""
(QS. Al-Maaida 5: Verse 21)

And one of the reasons God gave the land to the Israelites was because the inhabitants were committing abominable things like idolatry , sorcery etc

Genesis 12:5 KJV
And Abram took Sarai his wife, and Lot his brother's son, and all their substance that they had gathered, and the souls that they had gotten in Haran; and they went forth to go into the land of Canaan; and into the land of Canaan they came.

Genesis 15:18 KJV
In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates:

Deuteronomy 18:10-13 KJV
There shall not be found among you any one that maketh his son or his daughter to pass through the fire, or that useth divination, or an observer of times, or an enchanter, or a witch, [11] Or a charmer, or a consulter with familiar spirits, or a wizard, or a necromancer. [12] For all that do these things are an abomination unto the Lord : and because of these abominations the Lord thy God doth drive them out from before thee. [13] Thou shalt be perfect with the Lord thy God.

After the Israelites possessed the land they did not engage in any war to acquire more land or for religious conquest other than for self defense.
Unlike Islam whose killings and wars are open ended .

haekymbahd:
Good, Jesus was teaching them to pray the same way he prays

Mathew 26
36 Then Jesus went with them to a place called Gethsemane, and He told His disciples, Sit down here while I go over yonder and pray.

39 And going a little farther, He threw Himself upon the ground on His face and prayed saying, My Father, if it is possible, let this cup pass away from Me; nevertheless, not what I will [not what I desire], but as You will and desire.


Who is Jesus praying to?

Jesus was praying to God his Father .

DondyDesign:
Yes which is Christianity.

Not Islam , Buddhism , witchcrafts , etc