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elrony:
Elampiro go and sleep, it's not easy multitasking and chatting shiit sir.

He enjoys this type of thing. It's like he misses coogar and trying to recreate what he had with cougar

raumdeuter:
Is this not easy to see

It's not stat enough. He won't see it

elampiro:
What has chances created got to do with defensive stats?

These guys beat Lukaku in attacking and defensive stats per game. Even players who don't get 90 minutes.

You asked why they have scored more goals or not?

elampiro:
Tell me why all Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool and Manchester City players have better defensive stats than Lukaku. Aguero, Lacazette, Gabriel, Morata, these are players ahead of Lukaku on scoring.

Very simple! Those teams play better and create more chances.

Arsenal has created 207 chances, City and Liverpool 200, Chelsea 170 but United 149

RuffRuggedRaw:
First of all. Take note that I have said nothing for or against Lukaku performance(s). Na u with elamps baba get dat matter!

I am only challenging your use of the argument that other top strikers "do less work than Lukaku" to defend him. Because I believe they all do the same amount of work.
That other top strikers spend more time in the opponent box than Lukaku does. I seriously doubt it. As an illustration, see the attached pic for Morata goal vs Utd. His starting position and distance to goal.

Also Man United only "parks the bus" against a very small number of teams, top 4 or 5 at best. Typically, against the rest, they would probably be more on the front foot with more possession. Lukaku would surely have done more defending at Everton and West Brom than in United!

Did you watch United play against those smaller teams before Pogba came back? How was the team's performance? Did we not come here to be lamenting every match day even when we win? Was it not because the team was playing woefully?

elampiro:
All Liverpool players have higher defensive stats than Lukaku, except Salah. Lukaku beat Salah slightly on tackle while Salah beat him on Interception

Firmino has defensive stats of a defender. Very high

Could this be why Firmino has just 5 goals and 2 assists compared to Lukaku's 8 goals and 4 assists?

elampiro:
There is a difference in using stats to give report AS AT a given date and using stats to generalize (the future)

You have to understand that I am not using stats to tell that Lingard or Murray or Fellaini is a better scorer than Lukaku. We are saying that we are justified with these stats that Lukaku is currently poor and we have the right to complain.

His pass at opposition half, for instance, is a disgrace. His goals vs top scorers is way behind. His goals per minutes played is a disaster. He has scored one goal since September ending, and they said we should not talk.

How?

elrony:
Andy Murray, with his racket !!!

elampiro:
Sorry, I cannot help you if you see facts and still dispute them.

Like Murray scoring from the halfway line at Old Trafford abi?

elampiro:
Joselu played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker, and scored. Newcastle 1 Liverpool 1

Scott played against Liverpool at half line as lead striker against Liverpool and scored. I think that match also ended 1-1

Murray played against us at Old Trafford at half line and scored.

But people say Lukaku didn’t score because he played at half line against Liverpool, Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham. When has playing at half line being a license not to score?

Which Murray scored at Old Trafford? Bro why all this now? E be like we have to start double checking your facts again sef

elampiro:
1. Aguero missed more Clear cut chances than Iheanacho. But we know Aguero is the better player and striker. Same way, Aguero may have missed more Clear cut chances than Lukaku, but Aguero is still the better player and striker.

2. On the initial argument. I never for once said Lukaku should be benched. I don't know where or when that argument took place. All I said it that he was not doing other things well to help the team (like hold up play), even goals scoring aside.

3. No matter what you say, a striker that starts counting defensive contribution, high pass accuracy in his own half as his best qualities, is close to ruin. I didn't even see the defensive contribution sef.

Someone with low pass accuracy in opposition half is a weak link to his co-attacking team mates.

Ihenacho had a better goal/minute contribution than Aguero, Ihenacho is a better player - Elampiro 2017

I just decided not to drag this further but it's like it's dragging itself. At a point Ihenacho had a better goal/minute ratio for city but nobody can claim he is/was better than Aguero. Lukaku needs to improve and so does the team.

The initial argument here was that Lukaku was not doing anything for the team and should be benched for lord Ibra lol. When we compared his number of goals with other strikers, he wasn't doing bad. Assists too dey kampe but he isn't doing anything. We score 4 goals but they want us to believe we could have played a short one and still get same result. Na so. There's a Firmino which is the striker for Liverpool but they want to compare Lukaku with Salah like we just knowing that dribbling is not his strong points. His key pass percentage is as high as other strikers but no he is not doing anything. Our attack have been very horrible but Lukaku is the cause. The goal he scored against CSKA was another awoof like others. It's well o.

I don't expect him to have a good game against City unless others step up so begin to write the epistles down o

raumdeuter:
You now see that I am about 2yrs ahead of some people here in football knowledge. I will say something, they will shout argue and disagree. 1-2yrs later they will now start agreeing one after the other

If you were around when I said awards were a popularity contest, that the real thing is what you do on the field. Do you remember the outrage on this particular thread especially regarding Terry and Hazard

Now when Hazard don finish for 19th position they are now saying awards is a popularity contest

Yeah I remember. I was just patiently waiting for you to come and freshen their memory.

Hazard finished 19th and they're counting him as one of those to break the domination of Messi and Ronaldo. I no fit laugh abeg

raumdeuter:
When I said awards were popularity contests, everyone on here was shouting. When I said Terry and Hazard won popularity contests people shouted

Now all those who shouted are now agreeing that awards are popularity contests. diggz

sinizia you now see what I said about when I say some things it takes the average person 1-2yrs to catch up

I knew you were going to bring this up

BlueAngel444:
How did KDB who not included in Fifa 24 man list beat Kross who was 7th and Dybala who was 12th.

14. KDB
15. Dybala
17. Toni Kross

Did KDB out perform them or is the ballon d'or really just a popularity contest?

Maybe it's the fifa ranking that is the popularity contest

MoR2:
I hope we play you guys, una go hear am. Ororo will tear De gea and the net

So u that is disturbing me on shekpe thread is a RM fan? Ororo ko kerosene ni

diggz:
If you believe say na popularity contest....who you go replace adabowale with inside the top 20list?

I didn't say it is, I only asked you to coman see what your shekpe brother is saying? You can now see why we call you guys shekpe?

BlueAngel444:
Eph.12 answer the question it's in line with your reasoning

What does the ranking say?

diggz:
You are actually the one who is guilty of turning amala here....


My post which you respond to was about adabowale.....you then brought in hazard, which I have told you his position on the list, but you have blatantly refused to explain to us why ur world best midfielder is nowhere to be found on the list.

I have no business with adabowale. I only wanted to clear something that has been troubling me

BlueAngel444:
When this was in your head you must have felt wise, I guess to you what you just said made sense.


Your just a troll down to your soul

It made sense to everybody except trolls like you

Segedinho:
ds,z a logical comparison.. Midfielders............

The list was not compiled according to positions na.

atheist5:
balon for is not the only award,check FIFA list,by the way trolling apart these awards na popularity contest, imagine Toni kross na 17th

Ehen!
Diggz coman see something

Segedinho:
hazard z mile ahead of him.....although they don't play in dsame position............ Comparing both z nt logical.........but if u r hellbent in comparing both i blv u knw d ans

But ballon d'or does not agree with you sir. You can check the list to confirm

diggz:
Is adabowale still better than kross,modric,isco and kante?

When I see diggz accusing dayo of turning amala

diggz:
eph why are you sleeping? While hazard and kdb happen to be on that list.....Ur world best midfielder didn't even smell the list. Scummies are really the scums of earth! eph I understand Ur pains brother

Let us conclude this one once and for all: KDB and Hazard, who is better?

BlueAngel444:
Please if your player isn't in both Fifa 2017 and ballon d'or 2017 list be quiet this morning oh.

De Gea didn't even make Fifa list, Courtios and Oblak preferred to him

De Gea is not interested in the list if not he would have lobbied people the way Hazard has been begging RM to come and help his career

MoR2:
Hazard was 13th in FIFA was any United player on that list. Even though you won Europa league

Ibra in number 14 is a shekpe player abi?

Take your L, you have worked so hard for it

diggz:
eph.12 you have a query to answer here Bros.....

I was also told Hazard is better than De Bruyne too. Shekpe analysts ehn! What ya say brother?

drealzum:
These are Chad and Niger Republic girls. They are plenty in Kaduna, kano side. I was suprised when a friend told me he saw them in benin. Now here are pictures of them in calabar. Hunger is really pushing them down south of Nigeria.
The women and little children are sent to beg while the men seat in a corner drinking tea. They are not Nigerians.

It's not hunger. Most of those guys are greedy and lazy. They make enough to start something that will take them off the street but they prefer to beg

diggz:
19th position......


Why is voltron de defender of the universe gea not anywhere close to a a keeper that will turn 40years by January 2018?

And why is the best midfielder in the world not on the list?


Anyways shame no dey catch una and I am not surprised....no be today una dey try sell una average players as world-class...

Is that why Hidden is hiding from the top 10? Even with the league he won? Na wa o

emmie14:
But atiku have the support and mandate of the party executives council to speak to pdp. What is the relevance of IBB in his ambition?

Jonathan had the support of the party executives too but the strong men like OBJ were against him. See where it landed him

Branzy:
haters take

What is hidden doing there? This list is not for one corner dancers so that should be a typo