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Ecuador1:
I don’t know abt dat enlighten me more

They report to the IG of police

elampiro:
You mean a midfield that has world class Pogba is overrun? That can't be true.



You guys were arguing that for every goal scored by Aguero, Kane, Lacazette, that they miss three clear cut chances. That was why I brought that chart to show they all miss same number of big chances, but Lukaku is a poorer scorer currently. If he scores the typical strikers goals, his stats will be up. E be like he even miss penalty sef.

Before Pogba went on injury, Lukaku was scoring goals. He just came back, not after Lukaku and others have to go through the trauma of playing with a ghost. Do you know how many times Jose has changed the team to get the right players? No one can predict who will play against City but we can almost predict City's team sheet. Other big teams we know who will make up the attacking quartet but we can only guess who will pair Lukaku.

How many goals have they those strikers scored and how many big chances have they missed? Is there any significant gap in both? I don't get

elampiro:
Criticizing a player doesn't mean we are saying he should be benched for another. We are not disputing his scoring ability, but there are areas we have highlighted you people don't want to see. Okay, Lukaku is 100%, he is world class striker, world class hold up play and bringing others into play. Are you happy now?



You brought up Rooney's name in comparison.

Ihenacho is like Chicharito, play them for 30 minutes, they score the much elusive goal to win the match. At such situations, everyone is playing to the arrow head. But start them, they become ghost or headless chicken. I remember when people used to argue that Chicharito is our best striker based on such stats.

I brought up Rooney's name first? Why would i do that?

Maybe not you, but some actually called for him to be benched. I was responding to them. Lukaku has not even been close to 80% but so has the team. Nobody is asking why our midfield is overrun or why we are having a lot of disjointed attacks but they want a Lukaku that does not have the speed of Aguero to be at the winds to cross the ball and also be at the 18 to nod it. He has missed chances but then when i look at all the places he has to be i feel i can excuse him. His missed clear cut chances are only well pronounced because they are quite few. After all he has missed almost same number of big chances as other strikers so why is his case different? People are now making it seem like he has missed 10 big chances and others have missed 2-3. Kilode

elampiro:
3 goals in one match boosted his stats. I am not convinced that he can carry on scoring at that rate. He is currently ahead of Lukaku on goals per minutes, but he wont be near Lukaku at the end.

Lukaku is not just doing enough looking at his play at United, particularly in recent matches. That's my argument.

Can u name just one striker that will do better in our current set up, especially the period when we had a short one in midfield and Lukaku had to come deep to get involved?

At highlighted then why you bringing his name up in this discussion? Ihenacho had a better goal/minute ratio for City but we know who the better striker is.

dopeJemi:
some people did not give Pogba last season this same benefit of the doubt but that's not the point

I can't even count how many big chances Lukaku missed in those games against the so called small teams, he is either blasting balls into the stance or drifting to the right when he is supposed to be running behind defenders creating space for himself to receive the ball, he did this a lot against Watford, I can't count the number of times Lukaku was out of position when Lingard had the ball, Watch the replay of Lingard's goal against Watford and see what I am talking about, Lukaku was out wide and I was glad Lingard didn't pass that ball to him, or was it mourihno's tactics that made him forget how to score a simple tap in against Watford? Or na mourihno tactics na make am forget how to position all of a sudden? I have never seen Lukaku to be an Intelligent striker

This doesn't mean I don't support him, All I want is for him to improve on his positioning and decision making, these days, he barely knows what to do with the ball

When you put it like this fine but not when somebody comes to ask what Lukaku is doing in/for the team or calling for him to be benched. That is being unfair to his contribution so far. I still insist that there is no striker that would do better than him right now. I don't want to believe he shys away from the box, or was it not him that was going after rebound in the box early this season? Is this not the same Lukaku that was scoring goals early this season? Teams have started running at us, our midfield can no longer control play and you expect Lukaku to score goals. Kane has just two more goals than him, just forking two and people are already calling for his head. Haba

Take a trip to their headquarters at abuja

Ecuador1:
Sars never hold u b4
Atleast police with small money if u dey drive dem go free u but sarz go first label u accusations den if u no get mind no b small money u go pay

I thought SARS is a unit under NPF?

anpipac:
ITS TOO LATE. IT SHOULD BE SCRAPED

You just asked for the name to be scrapped. Another unit will rise up and do even worse. Reforming or reorganization will be more productive

Buahahaha I don tire for this thread

Unfollows thread before my lips change shape

Then one ghost went to bring up Sakho rating but forgot to check up Lukaku rating from the same site. In words of the professionals, Lukaku linked up play well, providing an outlet for his team. But some slim quack Einsteins want us to think otherwise. Never again

Oasis007:


Ain't you tired of this endless Argument with Elamp? Don't you know Rooney is like a god to him?! Seem you want the Pages to reach 5000 this Week?!

Be like I just dey bored since yesterday. But I don't even know why Lukaku matter dey pain me set. Probably because I already know what to expect from him and as far as I'm concerned he is doing a lot for the team already. Looking at it, it seems Jose is playing to the strength of the team right now. Even at the beginning of the match yesterday, Lingard started ahead of Lukaku. He was the one pressing for the ball in the striker position when we had a Lukaku on the field. From where I'm standing, that says a lot

elampiro:
Rooney was old na. Lukaku is young.

From what I can deduce now, Lukaku is poor being isolated up front just like Chicharito.

So the Rooney we have at everton is no more old?

Elampiro am still waiting for you to tell me why Rooney couldn't cope at united but is scoring goals any how at everton

elampiro:
[b]All the matches you listed, did Gabriel or Lacazette score even if they played inside the box? ;[/b]D

We are not even too worry about Lukaku's goals return. I said it a million times already. But his ability to affect play whenever he plays or whatever pattern. You play outside the box, you are given a chance to go on one vs one with the goalkeeper, you take a heavy touch that gives the ball to the goalkeeper. The defenders collects the long balls with ease and build an from their zone unhindered. May be he is over used and tired.

I remember when Rooney played false 9 against City in 2012 in an FA cup match. I think we won 3-2 (not too sure of the score). He made Kompany and his partner to suffer by dragging them out of position and holding the long balls to bring Nani and co into play. Then Rooney ran into the box again to nod in from crosses.

Against Watford, who sent Lukaku to play outside the box? Did we also park the bus? Did we not score 4 goals? Abi na for half line we score 4 goals ni?

Did we park the bus against arsenal? Did we not score 3 goals and could have scored more? Shey na from our post we score those goals abi?

dopeJemi:
Well, I believe he needs to improve

I do too. He has a lot to improve but so does the whole team. The team play is affecting him.

dopeJemi:
even the times when we play small teams where he stay inside the box, how many he score, he should train himself too

Tell me which small team we didn't struggle against especially during that Mkhi sad era. Was it not Huddersfield he had to go to the wings to cross the ball for Rashford for our only goal? Which other small team did we play that Lukaku had someone carrying the ball to him through middle and not all those crosses that defence do find it easy to deal with. Chelsea City Arsenal Liverpool have players carrying balls through the middle creating space but we has to turn to the wings every time when we don't even have a RW. Crosses no dey pass the first or second person but we want Lukaku to score 100 goals with those one one big chance and 100 snap shots

raumdeuter:
eph12, elampiro

Of the top 6 teams City, Man Utd and Arsenal have played against Chelsea away this season
I am comparing the heatmap of Lukaku vs Lacazette vs Jesus the main strikers in this game and make your deductions about the average positioning of Lukaku

his will show you that its the tactics deployed thats making Lukaku ineffective in scoring goals

That shows Jesus and Lacazette are spending more time in the box and playing more centrally compared to Lukaku in a similar game yet we are wondering why he isnt scoring as much

I am sure Lukaku would have preferred to be in the box and centrally like other strikers

Exactly!

The goals will come if he spends more time there and he has the team to bring the ball to him. Even against small teams we were still struggling to string passes and get the ball to him. Because he hardly gets the ball, everybody wants him to score that one clear cut chance that falls to him but it doesn't work that way. Strikers need chances to score goals. Even the goal that he scored against Newcastle he did the work by himself.

I think the other argument was about him not linking play well but compared to other strikers this will be difficult to prove.

I personally think having debates is healthy, just shows your knowledge of the game. But when you need to take your L, just do so humbly and wait for your comeback another day.

Neymar1095:
is that why lingard has more goals than the so called hidden.

Can you defend this with facts?

xreal:
Pastors should be careful with their actions.
They can mislead members easily.

Do you know how many of his members who have gone extra mile and out of their way and will to meet the 30% mark 'as their leader did'?
Yes, some with think this way...
''If daddy-pastor increases his; who am I not to?''
''I need more blessing, so I need to increase mine also."

I stand with freeze on this matter.

Do you know he called Jesus a drunkard and probably twisted some verse to prove his claim? Do you also stand with frz on that?

elampiro:
Who measured the quality of chance? When Lukaku dey burst net with awoof goal where you dey?

Including the one against Newcastle right?

Of all those topping the charts, only Kane has proven to be better in recent years so no surprises with him being above Lukaku. Everyone is surprised with Salah's performance and goals. He is the surprise package this season but hope he can see it through. How many penalties has Aguero scored to pad his stats? Jesus has scored about 3-4 easy tap ins and he does have the defensive burden Lukaku has.

Dongorgon5:
pogba better than kdb
That's not true,not in this life,even in next life kdb will always be his oga

Go and argue with your stats

raumdeuter:
eph.12

Do you know Aguero has not scored from open play in the league since September 23. His 3 goals since then have been from the spot. That is over 2 months of not scoring from open play in a team like Man City where they create chances anyhow and he stays in the box

Wow! This can't be correct

elampiro:
He wins 3.5 headers per 90 minutes out of 7.1, and defensive clearance from corner kicks adds to his stats.

How many Assists? Against Watford, when he didn't get goal to score, he started dropping deep to involve in play.

Exactly what I have trying to tell you. Because of the style of play coupled with playing with the useless Mkhi for majority of those games he went on goal drought, he had to drop deep to involve himself and create something.

elampiro:
The stats are the best facts. Not you guys' claims that Aguero gets three times more chances than Lukaku. Whereas they get almost same number of chances per 90 minutes.

Quality of chance and Aguero is just one goal ahead of Lukaku o that we cannot hear word again sha

elampiro:
He mentioned Salah first.

But to respond to you, Aguero, Morata, etc are currently outscoring Lukaku. Some of them have goals every 84 minutes or 90 minutes. Lukaku has every 160 minutes.

Then people said other gets 3 chances to score a goal. That Lukaku gets half chance to score.

I dug deep, I saw they all have same number of chances he to score. The other guys have not missed more big chances than Lukaku.

I thought I was going to see Aguero has missed 20 big chances, Salah 25 big chances, Lukaku 0 big chance.

They have missed the same number of big chances but they still have goals more than him. Does this not tell you about the number and quality of chances others have gotten?

elampiro:
It doesn't. You guys said other strikers have 3X the chances of Lukaku. Then I proved you guys wrong.

If you notice, I never had problems with Lukaku not scoring, his mediocre play as a big striker striker the issue.

OK it's no more about his goals but his link up? Do you know he wins more aerials than other top strikers in the league? Do you know none of them have more assists than him despite playing in a more attacking team and him having to operate more from deep?

elampiro:
Any chance. A chance is created when a shot is taken.

Big chance or Clear cut chance is when a player is reasinably should score. Like when one vs one with keeper or free header at close rage or tap in.

I know what big chance means. This stat don't tell the full story

elampiro:
Shots taken every 90 minutes (chances received every 90 mins)

This is for those who didn't understand the per minutes stats

Even the try your luck shot will be counted here. Give me a stat for big chance received, oh wait you already did and it proved nothing, in fact it favors the argument for Lukaku

raumdeuter:
Maybe we should also expect Jones to have more assist that Martial since Jones from defence have more options to spray passes to

Really? Those in front of Jones in defence are in goal scoring positions too?

elampiro:
Salah has 12 goals and Lukaku has 8. You see gap. Meanwhile look below to understand the chances created for EPL players
.....

MINUTES PER CHANCE RECEIVED BY EPL FORWARD PLAYERS (MINUTES PER SHOT)

Big chance or half chance?