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MaxInDHouse:
Guy, what we have today is far greater than what all the apostles put together wrote in that book about Jesus of Nazareth.
The first century Jewish disciples of Jesus only saw few of the fulfilment of prophecies about the Christ but we have the greatest evidence today.

I just needed to see this nonsense to further conclude that you're indeed an antichrist .

The 12 apostles , including John the revelator wrote the last piece of God's word and sealed it. There's no testimony that is greater than theirs because they were the foundation of the Church and their names will be in the pillars of the God's kingdom. When did Jehova witness come about? You mean after 2,000 yrs God would adulterate his words ?

Are you not seeing that you are among the false prophets and teachers Christ prophesied about?

Achorladey come and see nonsense

Janosky:
ErnestNc the same man who rejected
1 Thessalonians 4:16 is throwing Empty tantrums upandan.

Which chapter & verses of the holy scriptures did any of JEHOVAH'S CHOSEN SERVANTS authenticate your point of view in the other thread you opened?

https://www.nairaland.com/7704280/else-experience


You have no moral authority to ridicule JWs beliefs when you can't tell this forum which chapter and verse of your own Bible where any Servant of JEHOVAH authenticated your claim in that thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7704280/else-experience

Read carefully :

1 Thessalonians 4:16 KJV
For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Note that this Lord doesn't only use the voice of an angel, but also he has the trump of God.

Now tell me, in whose name did Michael rebuke Satan in the verse below? Because we know there's only one Lord and that is Jesus Christ.

Jude 1:9 KJV
Yet Michael the archangel, when contending with the devil he disputed about the body of Moses, durst not bring against him a railing accusation, but said, The Lord rebuke thee

There's one Lord and one God .
Do you know that calling Michael the christ actually means he is Lord creator of all things and saviour of the world?

How does that sound to your hear if you're not an enemy of God? It's only Satan that would delegate Lordship to an angel, because Satan seeks to be Lord.

MaxInDHouse:
Go and prove to a Jew that Jesus is the Christ first before coming to argue about 1914.

The name written in the scriptures is Emmanuel so when anyone say Jesus is the Christ what evidence do you have?

The Jews have the picture of a different messiah In their head. They typified the messiah to be a warrior kind because all the past messiah's from Moses to the judges and David were all Warriors and liberators from their captivity. If the foundational Apostle's testimony , Paul and Peter's couldn't convert and convince the Jews, is it mine that would do the Job?

We know the true Christ and his mission. It's not the same Christ that JW speak of. The JW speaks of another Jesus. Your Christ is an angel and mine is the son of God whose name is the Word, HE created all things even angels and principalities which includes Michael and his angels.

Talk about your false and heretical sayings of a Jesus that came in 1914, When it was clearly written that the time and hour isn't known, but yet it seems your founders have a direct contact of this Jesus that the body of Christ doesn't have at large.


JWs have a bible only peculiar to them . You refused to know only Christ crucified alone which is the true faith, but instead choose to spread fables and doctrines of devils whose aim is to cause division. True believers and christians only speak of Christ crucified alone, but You JWs will rather tell us about how Michael is the Christ and how Jesus came in 1914 and so many hogwash...

Janosky:
ErnestNc the same man who rejected
1 Thessalonians 4:16 is throwing Empty tantrums upandan.

Which chapter & verses of the holy scriptures did any of JEHOVAH'S CHOSEN SERVANTS authenticate your point of view in the other thread you opened?

https://www.nairaland.com/7704280/else-experience


You have no moral authority to ridicule JWs beliefs when you can't tell this forum which chapter and verse of your own Bible where any Servant of JEHOVAH authenticated your claim in that thread:
https://www.nairaland.com/7704280/else-experience

My experience has no scriptural backing , but it doesn't mean it wasn't true.

Secondly, My spiritual experience isn't above scriptures, therefore it doesn't fit in context of Christian doctrine or the faith. I won't deny this.

But, I'm not a JW who perpetually imposes their false and unscriptural beliefs on the minds of innocent people. I have the authority to defend the Faith as long as it doesn't align with scriptures.

You want me to shut my mouth against evil just as Satan would expect. Can't you see that Satan is speaking through you sir?

achorladey:
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I have repeatedly asked them

Who promised them reward in 1914?

Who delayed their reward in 1914?


Obviously no Bible verse can be used to respond to that question. In reality they were all promises of man starting with Russell down to their present GODS

No JW member has been able to answer these questions concerning the controversial 1914.

When you ask them to provide answers, they become terribly confused , as some would feign deafness just to evade being scrutinised. Others may try to twist scriptures so they can come up with another gibberish ...

It could also be true and might have been a Jesus Apostle Paul or Peter doesn't know about .

It's the likes of Cornelboy n Maxindhouse going from house to house to teach people these heretical doctrines.

tctrills:
Oga there is no unrest. You touched nothing. You are just like your fake prophet, another lying hypocrite.
And you are not a believer of Jesus Christ you are a believer of your fake prophet.

I'm sorry if I hurt you or made you cry fowl in anyway. It was not my intention.

He's not my prophet , neither am I a follower of his predictions or teachings. I don't follow any man of God but Jesus.
I'm sure you do follow several men of God and worship their teachings, as well as sitting inside their sepulchres where they minister death unto the deluded and wicked congregation that seek for signs.

tctrills:
Lol you are a hypocrite. What is your yardstick for calling me evil?
He is fake because his teachings and attitude are not in line with the scriptures.

The unrest you feel right now is because I touched a nerve without even calling you evil , but knowing that your're guilty of evil imaginations , hence the name callings and all. You're not a believer. And I doubt if you warn people about the imminent judgment of God and his salvation through the Christ, but instead you're one of those sooth sayers that pronounce peace upon people when there is a great condemnation upon them.

You should remove the mote in your eyes before removing the one in your brother's eyes. Beware .

tctrills:
Did you read the nonsense that your prophet wrote about the cure for cancer? You guys just follow any idiot because you are so lazy to read the bible yourselves.
In another post, your prophet wrote "Islam is the gospel of Apostle Paul to the Gentiles."
But you choose to fight me rather than question him.

You are so pained. You don't know me , maybe you should go through my threads before spewing gibberish. I won't judge a man by his past but what he speaks of and testifies of at the moment .


Does his warnings make people beware of the times we are in? If yes, he's of no harm. You attacked him like one who doesn't have the spirit of God.

tctrills:
Oga, it's not up to you to determine God's enemies. Every false and fake teacher is God's enemy.
I can't be God's enemy for pointing out a fake.
For defending a fake, what does that make you sir?

How do you know you're not a fake christian?
If Jesus should come now, will you make it with all your evil imaginations at heart?

By what yardstick do you qualify him fake?

Dey play

tctrills:
There are so many of you guys on Nairaland. I am sure the idiot is your pastor.

I don't know him but you seem to be an enemy of God.

tctrills:
See a fakeman calling on me to repent. You are all about false prophecy.
Hope you notice that no one takes you serious. You are another fake nairaland prophet hoping to make it big but you are too lazy to achieve anything meaningful with your life.

You better be humble and stay watchful because the times are evil. The days of mercy are soon shortened. Leave the man to do his work by warning people about the imminent doom that is by the corner.

If you are wise you will desist from antagonising him and also pray and watch so that you are not truly marked for damnation as he speaks of.

achorladey:
The same religious organization published a magazine Which they use to give to the public to read that God does not require anybody to go to a temple or shrine or whatever they call it to worship. Yet see them come to this platform repeatedly asking what is the name of the church of persons they are in conversation with.

It's Very hypocritical of them... Honestly

cornelboy:
If your revelations are not anything new from what were already written in the Bible, why would God reveal them to you in the first place?
It's needless

There are so many people Out there who don't know about the scriptures, or about God's salvation which is Jesus like Cornelius in acts 10, some have the scripture but don't understand like the Ethiopian Eunuch, but God by his mercies will reach them and teach them because they are humble, He will also direct them like Cornelius , to people who he has reached. And that was my case, as I never understood what the modern church was all about. I was lost and chasing after what pastor said we should do and not what scripture declares. But now I know what the true faith is and it's belief in Jesus Crucified and Ressurrected.

Just follow your way o. But I'm very sure that Jesus never taught us to worship without a congregation of believers.

Congregation of believers ? What do they believe in? Michael as God's Christ or prosperity as the essence of God's sacrifice?

You don't know what you worship . I'd rather worship with my brethren at home in secret and raise my kids to know the true Christ , I'd rather reach out to lost souls and point them to the Christ crucified and Ressurrected .

John 4:21 KJV
the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father.

There's no prescribed location for God's worship . You are God's temple and house of prayer.

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But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.

Do you worship in spirit and in TRUTH? This should be ur concern.

cornelboy:
What makes you think your own interpretation is not twisting of the scripture

Because all that you believe about God was what Jehova witness organisation taught you and made you believe, and not by the spirit of God or his apostles.

1 John 2:27 KJV
But the anointing which ye have received of him abideth in you, and ye need not that any man teach you: but as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is truth, and is no lie, and even as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.


When you're indoctrinated by mere men who don't have the spirit of God, you might have been marked for damnation.

So far, all you have been taught by your organisation have been proven fallible and erroneous when juxtaposed alongside with the scriptures of God's words.

cornelboy:
Lol. You got it completely wrong
When the 120 were speaking in different tongues, it was unknown to them because they never spoke or heard the language before. Only the Jews around them that were familiar with the languages because they've travelled to various countries understood it.

For example, if you started speaking in Spanish tongue today through the holy spirit, everything you said would be unknown to you because you don't know or understand Spanish unless you have the gift of interpretation of tongues.

All the tongues today are pure gibberish

Believe what you want. I won't follow you to twist scriptures. Keep following your sect .

cornelboy:
Seems most of your beliefs are gotten from the Jehovah witnesses

If you had a dream about what has already been written in the scripture that's normal. It's a replay of that you've already known in your head.

Like I said , most of the revelation I had about Jesus were before I knew scriptures nor even Met any JW. I was even instructed to let people know in one of my visions. So there was no way it was in my head beforehand. I had to search scriptures afterwards to see if they were so. Even if you preached to me, I would search the scriptures.

I'm not boasting but I have a revelatory gift. Most things were revealed to me before they happen and I never conjured anything or prayed to see these things.

My gift is centred around revelations of word of knowledge and prophecies, not miracles.

cornelboy:
Na solo you dé play with God
Do you have the holy spirit and how many miracles can you perform?
How many word of prophecies have the holy spirit revealed to you

Share some of your beliefs that the JWs got wrong, seems you have all the truths I have been looking for all this while

If you're talking about the workings of God's spirit through me, I have experienced many especially visions of revelational truths as touching the Christ as the Lamb of God, His coming and a new world which the modern church never talk about. Hence I stopped putting my faith in this world but in Christ and his government to come.

And I have also dabbled in odd practises of the modern church unknowingly too.

I can tell you, Miracles are real . Yes, there are people that do stage and fake them but they happen. Even Satan's messangers work miracles alot.

My meekness had made me sit with different JW people so they could teach me because I found the practises of modern church to be odd and without hope . Their Faith in God is basically believing in God for material possessions.

I entertained the JW evangelists anytime I saw them because they preached Hope of a new world and the new heaven and earth, even when people wouldn't want to listen to them around me. I was surprised that many didn't have an open heart as I did .

The revelation of a new heaven and earth was already revealed to me by God , hence my quest for truth increased. I told a JW what was revealed to me which was even in the scriptures, yet He called it spiritism and labeled my revelations as one that was sourced from Satan.

Years ago, I noticed each time i sat down in a church where the preacher preached only about Prosperity I get angry inside of me even tho I knew nothing about the scriptures.

I'm not alone. The church is not physical . Tho I may be isolated but there are People called Elects of God and they are scattered around the world. These ones may have been deceived for some time but God will not keep them in deception because they are Elects .

cornelboy:
What makes you think that your interpretation of 1 Thessalonians 4:16 is perfect? Why would Jesus's voice be a similitude of an angel's voice since you showed me from Hebrew 1:5 that Jesus is different from the angels?
Why didn't Paul say directly that the lord Jesus will shout with his own voice?

"...With the voice of the archangel"
You are the one adding or twisting the scripture because the verse clearly states that the lord Jesus will shout with the voice of the archangel.
Compared to John 5:28,29 we can reason that the voice of God's son is same as that of the archangel. Perhaps Michael the archangel is God's only begotten son that he sent to earth. And he was named Jesus on earth. That doesn't contradict anything in the Bible.


Jesus was a spirit being in heaven before he came to earth. He had to leave his glory in heaven and became flesh and blood.
God is spirit and has a spirit body likewise the other living creatures in heaven. Jesus explained that flesh and blood cannot enter heaven.
Only humans has physical bodies.

Apparently, Jesus is currently a spirit being in heaven right now. He only had a physical body while on earth.

Michael fought against satan and his angels, defeated them and chased them out of heaven. Jesus was already in heaven when that happened, why didn't he lead the battle?
When Jesus comes back again, he will come in his full glory not in human form.
So Jesus will lead the battle of Armageddon against the same Satan.
Now tell me why Jesus and Michael played the same role of leading the army of angels in a war against Satan?


Which of them are really using God's power today
Most of the miracles are staged and faked.
Pastor Adeboye's son that died several months ago, I wonder why he wasn't able to raise him up or at least any of his friends that are men of God could have raise him up. All these men of God visits the hospital regularly.


Being saved has nothing to do with the baptism of the holy spirit. The baptism of the holy spirit is meant for the manifestation of God's power. And also it's a seal for those that will be take part in the first resurrection. The 144000.


If we don't seek for the accurate interpretation then most the things in the scripture will remain unclear to us.

It's really hard to disillusion a sternly indoctrinated man. Hence, I leave you in peace with your beliefs. The prior and most important thing is salvation and knowing the true Christ. I will never jeopardize that by calling the Lord Jesus an Arch angel, and scripture says " non of the angels did God call his son" . But you Jw imply that Michael is the begotten son of God . Who else will exalt an angel if not a fallen angel which we all know to be devils ?

cornelboy:
The holy spirit was very much in operation then no doubt. But is the holy spirit still working like before?
For example when Christian folks speak in tongues today, all I hear them say is madman's language. It doesn't make any sense.
Compare to the proper tongue the first century Christians spoke. They spoke in other meaningful languages.
Acts 2:7-11

1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.


I hope you've come across this scripture.

There are diverse kind of tongues which was seen In Acts2 on pentecost, and there is unknown tongues as Paul indicated above.

What is happening today is perversion, it doesn't negate that one cannot speak in unknown tongue.

cornelboy:
First I would like to know what the name of your religion is and what your beliefs are

I'm a follower and disciple of the Christ of God.
I don't belong to any religion or faction of this modern day society. If you know what's good for you, you should dissociate yourself from factions with untraceable fables and tales that look like it was coined from scriptures.

What I know is that , all true JW members seek for the truth and they have tried to alienate themselves from the false practises of modern day churches , but they were still seduced and captured in their quest for "truth" into another form of apostasy, by denying the Spirit of God and the true son of God.

Marvel not, for Satan even transforms himself as an angel of light and his ministers are like ministers of righteousness.

If you truly want to be saved , humble yourself and ask God to teach you the truth. This time read the bible for yourself and allow the holy spirit teach you. God seeing your heart not being hardened will draw you and teach you his ways and show you his salvation which can be wrought only through his son, Jesus.

cornelboy:
The trinity doctrines that you folks believe in was brought by who?
Who interpretation and established that God is three persons in one? Or three Gods in one person?
Did Jesus or any of the apostle taught anything called trinity?

There's no word such as Trinity in the scriptures. I don't belong to any pentecostal , catholic or Charismatic group and my beliefs are not based on their doctrines.

But I believe in God and his son Jesus , the Christ who sent the Holy Ghost in the name his Son.

And Jesus instructed his disciples thus :
Matthew 28:19 KJV
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:




You Jehova witness people have your own bible where you have edited and twisted so many things to suit your Interpretation.

So everything you believe in today was based of the interpretation of the Catholic church. Trinity, hell fire, immortal soul doctrines etc

You don't know me nor my beliefs which are not based on factions and fables formed by men, but I know what you believe , You believe in the arch angel Michael as the son of God and your messiah because someone casted a spell on you and made you blind to God's word in the name of indoctrination.

Lemme ask you a tactical and logical question concerning hell fire

If hell fire is real;
a. Why didn't God send Adam and Eve there since they were the one that brought sin into this world? Why should someone that only inherited the sin go there?

It's clear you don't know God.

b. Why didn't God warn people right from the time of Adam to the time of the Israelites about the possibility of suffering in a fire after death?
Throughout the old testament there was nothing like hell fire.

So when Jesus spoke on the the story of Lazarus and the Rich man in Luke 16 , what was he preaching about? It was very clear Jesus was literal and it wasn't a parable , else why would he involve Abraham? Why would he speak of Abraham? The rich man was tormented sternly by the unquenchable flame as described By JESUS HIMSELF.

There were several Instances where Jesus spoke in parables concerning Hell and damnation. He spoke of Hell concerning the wheat and the chaff.(Matthew 3:12, Luke 3:17) The fire describes there was an UNQUENCHABLE FIRE

If those found wanting of God's judgment don't meet up, where do you think God would send them to? Oh u think they will be with God in his Habitation? You have been deceived, clearly.

c. Why didn't the apostle of Jesus Christ emphasis on it? Today, you would hear "if you don't repent from your evil ways, you will go to hell fire". Any small thing hell fire.
Why can't we find the warning about hell fire in the epistles of Paul and the rest?

Your question should be, WHY did Jesus lay emphasis on it. Who should you take seriously, more... The sender or the messanger?

So I'm asking you are you calling Jesus a liar?

Acidosis:
Omo, this man is being used by God to accomplish remarkable feats. I followed the programme online, and everywhere choke. The whole space was filled up. I thought UK was the height...

I'll continue to emphasise this: Religion and Entertainment have the potential to elevate this country to greater heights. Christianity was one reason that European powers used to colonize and exploit Africa. We can use the same Christianity as a country to re-colonize the world and take back what belongs to us.

There are only a few MOGs on Earth who can consistently attract over 500,000 live viewers online every day for 365 days.

This is your emphasis in this present time? Damnation isn't far o wicked and perverse generation that knoweth not their God.

franchasofficia:
Don't you ever say anything negative about Papa Oyedepo again please.


All that matters is that Jesus Christ is winning souls and the Kingdom is expanding as the word of light continues to spread all over the world.


The body of Christ is one even though we might approach it from different angle.


Jesus reigns, celebrate Jesus and leave any form of comparison, there is no room for

tribalism in Christ.


Congrats to all Christians all over the world, light will forever triumph over darkness, Christ is light

When I see a man that rejects TRUTH , I weep.

Cornelboy
Maxindhouse

You should ask why the Holy ghost would speak to believers and christians like Stephen , Ananias, and Philip that were not apostles in the early church . Why would God send his Angel to Cornelius(acts 10:36) after Christ had ascended . Would u call them spiritists? Won't you humble yourselves before God and learn of God?

God never said " I will stop speaking to my people , and my voice will they not hear anymore in the latter days " . It was you and your sect that came up with that by twisting scriptures

God never said "My son is the archangel Michael" . It was you and your sect!

God never said Lucifer will come to earth in 1948, it was you and your sect!

God never said " a time will come when I not pour out my spirit" rather it was you and your sect.

God said " in the last days I shall pour out my spirit upon all flesh and your sons and daughters shall prophesy and your young men shall see visions" , it was even confirmed by Peter .

How else shall we prophesy and see visions if not by the spirit of the Living God?

Please stop telling us what the scriptures didn't say, and tell us what it says directly, not what you Interpreted. It was the same Interpretation Satan gave to Eve and it separated God from man. JW's have been taught and inspired by fallen angels .

Most of your doctrines seem to want to severe the ties of man with God's holy spirit, by giving credence of the Christ to an archangel, so people won't believe in the son of God for salvation but will rather look up to the angel and I know that pattern came from the garden and that spirit is Satan.

cornelboy:
The means through which God mainly speaks to us today is true the Bible. The Bible is a complete word of God containing event that have happened in the past, events happening now and events that will take place on the future. The Bible is complete.
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When The holy ghost asked Philip to go to Gaza (acts 8:21)
Why didn't he open the bible to check if God said he should go there?
Was Philip an apostle?
Or when Stephen's eyes were opened and he saw Christ and the throne of God, why don't you tag him a spiritist . Was he an apostle too?

No one negates that the scriptures is complete. It was the Holy spirit that inspired the scriptures and whatever he will speak will be in line with has He has written.

You claim the scripture is complete , yet you still go to add to it by saying Jesus was the arch angel Michael. What a contradiction.

cornelboy:
There's no where in the scripture that says Jesus is the archangel Michael like you said but there are clues that indicate that Micheal could be the one sent by God as the Messiah and God's son.
Nobody knows the identity of Jesus before he became human.
You can find one of the clues from these verses; John 5:28-29 and 1 Thessalonians 4:16

Compare these verses, they are too many similarities. For example both scriptures state that "the dead will rise or resurrect after they hear a voice? Whose voice? Jesus's voice of course!

Why would Jesus use the archangel's voice instead of his own voice?
Because they are the same person.

Since scripture didn't say directly that Jesus was the archangel , why twist scriptures to arrive at such bogus conclusion? God has revealed all we should know, and any further revelation would be a confirmation of what has been written, and If God wanted us to know that Jesus was an archangel , he would have stated it in the scriptures. But you can't find that anywhere because it's a doctrine of devils and an addition to the word of God.

HEB 1:5 says

For to which of the angels did God ever say, "You are my Son, today I have begotten you"? Or again, "I will be to him a father, and he shall be to me a son"? For God never said to any angel what he said to Jesus: “You are my Son


Jesus is the only begotten son, and Michael is an arch angel of God.

"Why would Jesus use the archangel's voice "

Good question .

Why didn't the bible say "and Michael would shout in his voice"?

The scriptures only indicated that the voice of Jesus would sound in the similitude of an archangel , to best describe it. It never said Jesus was an archangel. This is how doctrine of devils are formed.

You can see another clue from the book of Revelations. Jesus led some important battles with host of angels under him just as Micheal led some battles too with hosts of angel under him.

Can you listen to yourself sir? Jesus has a body and Michael is spirit . There are two different entities entirely and two scenes of battles , one of which Michael fought against the dragon and his angels , and Jesus alongside his saints fought against the human government (the battle of armageddon), Hope you know this? And the scriptures clearly indicated that Michael would battle the dragon in Rev 12and in Rev 19:11 Christs fight was against the anti Christ and his government (physical battle) , invariably.

The way the holy spirit moved with the first century Christians is different today. You see the way the apostles were raising the dead, healing the sick, the lame and various kind of illnesses.
Are we still seeing that today? How many of this so called pastor can heal a lame man let alone raising the dead like it was done in the early church era?

Where have you been? Are you not seeing that there are So many believers and men of God that operate in the functionality of working miracles ,prophecies, and other signs.

The first people that received the holy spirit were the 120 disciples and they got it directly from God. The rest of the people that got it was secondhand from the apostles by laying hands on them.
So after the baptised apostles died and true Christianity was destroyed centuries back, there was no one left to transfer the holy spirit to people.
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These are sayings are not true. You're clearly implying that God isn't saving people today, because scripture says that The Holy ghost is a seal of our redemption and this indicates that those that have been saved by God have been given the gift of the Holy spirit which is a proof of their salvation . If they have been saved , it means they have the seed of God in them and they can also walk in signs and miracles as the Holy spirit leads.

Ephesians 4:30 KJV
And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

The authority of scripture is greater than any perceived Interpretation or understanding. Don't add to the word of God!

cornelboy:
Which of the doctrines don't sit well with you?

Most of JW's beliefs are from an implied or perceived interpretation and not directly as scripture says them.

One too many errors I find and they are thus,

1. Jesus is the arch angel Michael( no scripture indicated that directly, it was concoted and twisted )

2. Jesus isn't one with God , when John 1 clearly indicated that the word was God , the world was made by him and He was made flesh.

3. God doesn't speak to humans anymore (misinterpreting hebrews 1:1 to mean that God doesn't speak to us) . Whereas no scripture said that God doesn't speak to us . Jesus says " my sheep hears my voice and they obey. The voice of another they won't heed". This saying of Jesus aligns with the aforementioned text which says that God has spoken through his son .

In the early church there were several instances where the Holy ghost spoke to believers to embark on missions . JW would be quick to tag such believer as a spiritist . The scripture says "test all spirits" knowing that spirits would speak to us and through us but we must judge according to God's word and ways.


There are so many ..so many errors but I will stop here...

achorladey:
Chief, what is the primary aim of all military formations all over the world? Under whose care are these military formations?

Romans 131-5 Let everyone be subject to the governing authorities, for there is no authority except that which God has established. The authorities that exist have been established by God. 2 Consequently, whoever rebels against the authority is rebelling against what God has instituted, and those who do so will bring judgment on themselves. 3 For rulers hold no terror for those who do right, but for those who do wrong. Do you want to be free from fear of the one in authority? Then do what is right and you will be commended. 4 For the one in authority is God’s servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for rulers do not bear the sword for no reason. They are God’s servants, agents of wrath to bring punishment on the wrongdoer. 5 Therefore, it is necessary to submit to the authorities, not only because of possible punishment but also as a matter of conscience


Based on the scriptures and areas in bold cited above in your post. Do you see it as a sin when those God's servant takes the life of people?

Nice submission, but Whose testimony would you rather hold up? Christ's or Paul's? The highlighted verses of scriptures are true in that context, but in modern day reality we see military might being deployed on the basis of national conflict of interests , like the case of Russia and Ukraine; a sovereign nation trying to exert it's dominion and authority over it's subject .

The magnitude of chaos and destruction caused by the ego of one man all in a bid to declare sovereignty ... It's alarming and appalling to see that young men under the condemnation of sin and death are being deployed to be instruments of such mayhem and tragic loss of innocent lives.

For conscience sake ... It's better to be used as God's instrument of love other than an instrument of God's wrath of punishment.

Authorities are positioned to ensure order as purported , but if it would involve taking people's lives then I'd rather not be a part of it as it negates the commandment of love. Other forms of punishment is allowed as no one is above chastisement.

Paul would say thus:

1 Corinthians 10:23 KJV
All things are lawful for me, but all things are not expedient: all things are lawful for me, but all things edify not.

achorladey:
Do you see them(JWs) as being among the below captured in your opening words?.......

They are not excluded . But I must commend their modesty and dedication of love towards their brethren and labour in regards to fellowship with one another from house to house.

cornelboy:
John 13:34-35
[34]So now I am giving you a new commandment: Love each other. Just as I have loved you, you should love each other.
[35]Your love for one another will prove to the world that you are my disciples.”

Can Christian brothers who are supposed to love their fellow Christian brothers according to Jesus commandment above join the military or engage in politics?

Here's a scenario;
Some Christian brothers in Ukraine joined the military, some Christian brothers in Russia also joined the military and they were all sent to the battlefield by their respective leaders.

What happens when they meet at the battlefield, they start killing one another base on the commands of mortal men right?
Haven't they gone against Jesus's commandments about loving one another by joining the military to kill one another?
Ponder on these questions.

This is one of the reasons why Jehovah witnesses are the only one practising true Christianity today. They will never engage in military service and politics.

None of the people in the early church, Jesus, Paul, Peter, Timothy, John and the rest participated in politics. They were neutral and only focus on spreading the good news about the kingdom of God as commissioned by Jesus Christ.

The early church and the Bible is the standard for true Christianity and only the Jehovah witnesses follow the standard completely today.

Jesus taught us from the Bible to stand out and not be part of this world presently ruled by Satan.

God bless
ErnestNc

I love the modesty of JW people but some of their doctrines don't sit well . It appears mis-aligned.

Truly, a real Christian would not join the military . It's all an anti Christ Agenda to recruit men to become national assassins . God allowed Israel to have defenders and armies to protect the heritage of the Jews so Christ can come through them.

Now that Christ had come, He preached that we should turn the other cheek and not take a tooth for a tooth. But we want to save lives and protect them by killing another which negates the commandment of love for one another.

No matter how much we try to save our lives, it will be lost. Until the government of Christ comes , this world can't be salvaged or perfected.

MaxInDHouse:
So how do true Christians apply what Jesus said in the Bible book of John 13:34-35 in a practical sense today?

Scriptures says Love one another, doesn't say how we should love. I won't twist scriptures on the basis of implied or perceived interpretations. There are so many ways to show and apply love.

This is how falsehood starts.

MaxInDHouse:
The highlighted is interesting.

So what is the FRUIT expected of Christianity?

First ask who is a Christian?

ANS: A follower and disciple of Christ!

The fruit of a Christian thus:


John 13:34-35 KJV
A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.

[35] By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples, if ye have love one to another.