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4 personal fouls on Steph.

You can't make this up. The go-to move on televised games.

SmooshCHN:
Those uncalled fouls that gave them the advantage on the last run.. Make we dey watch

Jaylen getting away with a lot of bad fouls.

Eruditor:
Really shooting bad or else we would have been out of sight.

Peep how Celts got 13FTs in the 2nd Q but had only 1 in the first.

Home advantage tinz.

7/26 for Klay, KD and Curry.

SmooshCHN:
I'm quite confident we're gonna build the new Chase arena with all these bricks KD, Klay, Green and Curry are shooting.

Really shooting bad or else we would have been out of sight.

Peep how Celts got 13FTs in the 2nd Q but had only 1 in the first.

Home advantage tinz.

SmooshCHN:
The second unit keeping us in the game. And keeping Iggy was a great move

True. The shooting from KD and Curry has really been off. But we are playing solid D.

That foul on Green was no foul.

Swaggy the only warrior with his shooting hands.

KD and Curry have been off. Ball movement really confusing the young celts.

Curry doubting his shots and hesitating.

Lead down to 3.

Good ball movement from both teams thus far.

KD on fire.

funlord:
Ask maradona, Hugo sanchez, Philip lahm, paul scholes, Lionel messi, zico, platini, Michael Owen, Roberto Carlos and a few other legends whether the give a _fuck about height ever being a gift, talent or excuse in their careers.........footballing success is basically down to ability (it's application/ development by the player, focus, discipline, fitness, diet etc.) and not based on some natural measuring tape!

Oya go and collect HP sauce from homesteady and finish your L burger....

Oga, there are people on that list who had no aerial prowess or pace. Does it mean pace is not a gift?

Please, make una fear God o.

I rest my case finally.

funlord:
Abeg enough with the amala....they don't hand out strokes of a cane with L's so I don't get this your fear of consuming some healthy L soup which can sometimes be good for your body and soul sef.....lets move on abeg!

So a player's height is not a talent gift?

airmark:
Oga read what you quoted again: Talent is a God gifted ability. Just accept that height is not an ability (talent) and move on with your L like liverpool (you will never walk alone, homesteady has joined you).

Can I change the word to capacity? Will it make any difference? What about potential?

Courtois as a young chap had the ability (not everyone can) to grow tall. Then he worked on his skill to become a keeper.

Unlike Hugo Lloris that physically is not as gifted but perhaps is technically.

homesteady:
BTW, I'm sure when he listed height among KDB talents in comparison to Hazard's he meant aerial ability. Just like when There is a Ronaldo vs Messi argument, Ronaldo fans always say he has better aerial ability than Messi.

I started with taller.

They turned it to tallness is a talent.

Yes, being physically tall in sports is a talent gift.

Everyone wants it but not everyone has it.

Usain Bolts is both physically and technically talented. Same as Zlatan.

Those who know, know.

homesteady:
Eruditor is actually making sense, but you guys are trying to use little details to discredit his argument.

Who said Height can't be trained?

LLLLL

The term talent refers to an inborn and the special ability of a person to do something. A skill is an expertise, which is acquired by the person by learning. Talent is God gifted ability, whereas Skill is an ability in which you put your time and efforts to develop.

Every person possesses certain skills and talent, that makes us different from others. We often use the terms talent and skill interchangeably, without knowing the fact that these are different from one another

Read more: http://keydifferences.com/difference-between-talent-and-skill.html#ixzz4yRMbDfKF

Nihilist:
length of dick is exactly the same as length of body.

You cannot say a person is talentedly short or talentedly tall. You cannot say a person is talentedly long dicked. You can however say a porn is talented at lasting long.

Your own article has told you that Talent refers to an attribute that is trainable. If even your own evidence disagrees with you, then you may soon need to join the lallana clan.

LLL

All short players cannot dribble like Hazard and Messi. That ability to dribble is God-given but it can be harnessed. This qualifies as a technical talent.

KDB and Fabregas can kick a ball in a way that Bakayoko can't. Sure, Baka can kick a ball but without the same finesse or accuracy. He lacks that technical gift.

Technical talent is the subdivision of talent that can be trained or worked on. There is another subdivision called psychological talent. It is why some players will opt to take the first or last penalty of a dire game whereas the most technically gifted of them may cower from it.

The subdivision I am referring to is called physical talent or gift. Some players just naturally look the part. They are tall, strong, sturdy and so on. This talent is not worked on or trained for. You either have it or you don't.

My evidence supports me. I would sign only 3 autographs before I leave.

hensben:
No. there was no international game

Did he not get injured playing for Belgium? Was it not during a training that he got injured? So the game they were training for they did not play it?

Nihilist:
Talent stems from genetic inheritance does not mean Talent = Generic inheritance.


Even your post says Talent = Ability. Height is not ability.

Hazard is short and has a low centre of gravity, which means he's naturally better at changing directions rapidly at great speed. This natural advantage couple with his ball control is what makes him a talented dribbler.

His low centre of gravity also means he can accelerate very quickly from a standing position . This natural advantage makes Hazard a talented sprinter.

What Hazard is not is talentedly short.

Talent = Skill. It's even in the dictionary. It's in Wikipedia.

There is no nuance to your ridiculous submission. If height is a talent, then eye colour and nostril width must also be talents. The diameter of dopejemi's anus must be a talent.

We will forcefeed you this L till you choke on it and runaway from here.

If a pawnstar has long d!ck, many will say he is gifted. That is his physical gift to start with and many times such gifts are inherited genetically which the definition I posted above said.

If he cums faster than the Cops in a white neighborhood do that just means he is lacking the technical aspect of his gift. But with the right training he can work on it and be better.

I know about Messi and Hazard's low center of gravity but sadly, in our biased world, we do not view being short as a physical gift. Same way we do not view Morata's lack of stamina as a gift. However, players like him, Hazard, Messi and David Silva who seem to lack this physical gift compensate ably with their technical gifts and we respect them for it. It still does not detract from the fact that being tall in football (like other sports) is regarded as a physical talent gift.

I won't get drawn into the talent vs skill debate so much because I am sure you know that one website or dictionary does not possess the exclusive rights to define anything.

Others can go online and conduct their own research to see the subtleties between talent and skill and the subdivisions of talents - no matter how ridiculous it sounds....to you.

I resist this undeserved L with the strength of 100 virile horses and rest my case.

Nihilist:
Height is not a talent, it is a physical attribute just like dick length, foot size, nyash size etc.

The word talent is a synonym for skill - and skills are things that can be developed with practice. You can improve your pace by practice. You can improve your jumping by practice. Your passing, dribbling, etc.

You cannot improve your height by practice. And because you cannot improve your height, nobody will ever say Player A is better than Player B because of his height.

When they say Player A is better aerially than than Player B, they are referring to the jumping ability which is trainable talent, not the height. Lukaku is 6'4 and notoriously poor in the air, Tim Cahill is 5'10 and was famous for his aerial ability.

Ronaldo is 6'1 and Jumps higher 7cm higher than the average NBA player.

Height is not a talent.

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There is a distinction between talent and skill. They are not the same. Skills can be worked on but talent not invariably so. You can Google "Talent vs Skill" and you would see this.

I know my claim sounds ridiculous because I used a word many don't attribute to height but we can play a little trick and remove talent and place the word "gift" in its stead. I guess I don't sound ridiculous anymore?

A player can be technically gifted same way he can be physically gifted. People just tend to prefer the former because that one seems more precipitated by hard work and training whereas the latter is acquired by genetics or happenstance. I know you know this because your English and bent for research is better than some of the other trolls.

Please, just search for physical talent and see what turns up. I can present one definition and a corresponding link:

To have talent is to possess the ability to excel within a field (either physically or psychologically), generally with much more ease than the majority of the population. Talent often stems from superior genetic inheritance, but can only really be harnessed through hard work and determination.

http://sportsscientists.com/2013/11/what-is-talent-your-definitions-and-thoughts-from-david-epstein/

I know my claim is nuanced but I am wholly convinced that I am right.

In light of this, I respectfully reject that L.

hensben:
You lied. Hazard returned from injury during international break and he played too

So when Hazard was injured Belgium did not play?

So all the teams playing quality football world over Hazard plays for them?

Greatihex:
you didn't answer the question.

Of course his rating will improve - he is a very good player.

Same way Isco's rating has improved. But Isco is not WPOTY and nobody is calling him that.

But look at what people are doing on here.

hensben:
Hazard Make Belgium play quality football. Why is it so?

Roberto Martinez.

When Hazard was out injured Belgium still played quality football.

Greatihex:
so, after checking all the skills, you thought KDB have it more than hazard?

You can list them out for yourself and be honest.

Greatihex:
but, do you believe that with quality players around him, he can increase his rating above what it currently is?

Again, I believe Hazard is a great player. If you can bring any post of me calling him Ikedia or anything, then your question will be apposite.

sod09:
he could have used advantage instead of talent,we all know moanrinho can kill cos of height

LOL, guy no fear. Because it is an advantage that is exactly why it is a talent - same way Hazard's dribbling is an advantage or KDBs passing. Only that while the latter 2 "talents" I described are technical talents, a player's height is a physical one. Remember;

1. It is natural or God-given.
2. It presents one with the capacity to do something with it.

The boxing aficionados know this but would rather play devil's advocate.

Notice how fraudiola is no longer being used this season as oft as it was brandished last time - the name has gone back to Pep. Even you are guilty of this

Men will arrange when the time is right. They are just butt hurt that I alluded that their beloved so-called WPOTY (so-called because he is not there) may be less-talented than KDB.

Knicks Knicks Knicks

Ghen Ghen.

They are mounting a come back.

LEVELAND LAVALIARS.

Extra Ls to tell their current story.

80-65 at this point to NYK.

Shem.

airmark:
Tallness is not a talent bro. As tall as boathand is, midgets like aguero beat him in aerial duels.

Your own type of football scout will make barca starts playing like nassarawa utd, by packing tall but senseless players into the team anyhow.

Having pace is a talent but what is Walcott achieving with his own? Zidane had close control and guile etc but he was not pacy which means he had more talents than Walcott even though Theo is way quicker. The point I am trying to make is if a defender cannot use his stamina, strength or height to his advantage it does not mean those things don't qualify as physical talents. You can Google that phrase if you think it is my own coinage.

In dire situations Mou opts for Fellaini and pushes him upfront for long balls because of Fellaini's height. That is a natural skill-set Marouane possesses that Messi on his best day will never have. Same way Marouane will never be able to waltz past players like Messi does.

If we tabulate all Messi's talents to what Fellaini possesses, we would see Messi is more talented than him, even if Fellaini has that "height talent" over Messi.

You may not agree but this is a fact; there are psychological talents, technical talents, sociological talents and physical talents. The latter has categories like height, strength etc under it. Mou realized this and consoled himself that Lukaku would bring that to Man United - what he felt Lacazette would not do if he was signed. He had made the same claim during his time in Madrid when he compared CR7 to Messi and mentioned ororo's height as a "talent" Messi lacked.

Signing Drogba (not liking Sheva), preferring Milito to Etoo, signing Adebayor on loan in RM, bringing Drogba back in Chelsea, Demba Ba, Zlatan and now Lukaku.

Tall Tall Tall. Height Height Height. (Amongst other things of course).

birdman:
Dont be so sure - exciting basketball is not necessarily better basketball.

The East has a lot of players that can play the western conference tempo and get buckets - see p george and melo in uptempo OKC for example. East is just more of grind basketball - in fact all the teams that won rings from ECFin recent memory have all loved to grind . From pat rileys's heat (both wade/shaq and wade/lebron), cavs, detroit pistons, even that crazy celtics team with the big 3 played ugly outside a few heroics.

On the other hand, also note that the perennial ugly ball team in the west, AKA spurs has consistently been on top with 50+wins and 5 rings - they have survived the high powered lakers, the really good Kings who look the most like today's warriors, the high voltage suns (nash, amare, j johnson), the mavs who took 3s like its garri water, etc. And yet, there are the spurs. The WCF is not any more talented than the ECF. If anything, the ECF plays better, if less flashy bball.

Btw I think cavs need to get back to that kind of ugly ball - trying to play uptempo with the 10 shooters on the court is a recipe for disaster. I know LBJ is no longer at the physical top of his game, but this team should be able to lock down opponent for 4 or 5 possessions in a row

I feel like I am in school all over.

airmark:
He shouldn't have mentioned the players, especially kante. Well, according to someone today, he is talentedly taller than kante

You are funny I swear.

Don't worry, during Corner kick put Kante to man-mark Fellaini you hear?

Afterall, the fact that Fellaini is significantly taller than Kante is not a natural skill-set he enjoys that Kante lacks.

VargasVee:
When you say they'll never win it, that's shallow thinking for me.

It's never too late in football. It's unfortunate the best players are considered now on your goal tally and not actually the entertainment it is meant to be. They're both unlucky to be in a Messi And Ronaldo Era.

I never said they will never win it.

airmark:
I don't know what you talking about. What i learnt today from you is, 'tallness is a talent in football'

Of course it is. Llorente may be less talented than Harry Kane but being taller is something he has over Harry Kane.

As a result, there are certain goals he would score due to that "talent" that Harry Kane will never be able to score.

Temperament in competition is another. Mental toughness is another. That is why some people argue that Hazard "hides" in big games and use it to pan him. Some other players show up better in bigger games. It is a talent whether you agree or not.

You're welcome.

nateevs:
N.B. KDB and Hazard ? I love them both.

I have never insulted Hazard and truly believe he is a top player. But he is a bit overrated going by some things people say here. For e.g, Hazard will not become WPOTY playing in RM or Barca as some have said.

If Neymar did not become it, Hazard will not become it. The argument therefore that he needs better players around him (like those teams) to take him to that level (of CR7 and Messi) is fa fa fa foul.