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GoodMuyis:
I have attached an pdf ebook if you are a Reader take you time to read

How-to-be led-by-the-holy-spirit by Keneth Hagin

LINK: [url]http://www.dailybread.com.au/e-books/K-E-Hagin/How-to-be%20led-by-the-holy-spirit.pdf[/url]

You are heaven sent , I borrowed someone my copy and it's not in a state I will be comfortable to collect it back again, so I was thinking of buying another copy very soon. Thx for the link.


bro CharlyG1 On what you said in your earlier post that "true spiritual warfare starts with the mind" . I can say you're 200million percent right . What you said about how demons persistently whisper thoughts into people's mind is also true. I have experienced it very well. I will talk more on it later. It still happened to me two days ago as I laid on the sofa at home trying to catch a nap, I was thinking then suddenly a very unusual and carnal thought just came into my mind. But God helped me discern, that the source of the thought was not within me but behind my head, I clearly heard the demon speaking thoughts from being my head Not noticing that I had caught wind of his presence, I didn't see it but I'm very certain it was from outside my own mind and body, so I immediately rebuked it in The name of Jesus. I have had other experiences too that a thought pattern will just set in and I will then realise that it's an entity projecting it in my immediate environment, I often don't see them but I quickly rebuke those thoughts. Having said that it's the believers responsibility to control what he watches and listens to particularly guys, beware of excessive football entertainment its a snare and weapon of distraction, I've fallen a lot for that recently, I'm recalibrating sharply. If it's not edifying you, it's stylishly defiling you. Be warned. The devil is not powerful over Christians but his game is to get legal right by distractions, deceptions, trickery, he fans the fire of our fleshy desires, he's very patient and subtle.

1Smartkiddzy Not to overflog the issue, there is nothing like gift of the word of God, any man of God that gives you that Kind of prophecy is suspicious. God won't give a gift that's contrary to what he has revealed in the verses of scriptures. If he called you a teacher Now, I would have accepted that he may be right.

1Smartkiddzy:
There are a lot of things going on in my life right now ( which I will explain later). The man of God (a branch pastor of a very big church in Nigeria here in SA)[I am currently in South Africa] told me that neither the devil nor any enemy is responsible but that God is the one working out everything which will be like a history for me to tell later. He said he saw me on the pulpit preaching and that I was called to serve and if I refuse to heed to God's call, I would die. He said plainly that answering God's call is the only way for me to remain alive and he said he is seeing the gifts of Singing, healing and interpreting the word of God..
You couldn't imagine the shock on my face that a man of God who I came to see for guidance and counselling was now telling me I was to be a Pastor...Pastoring was the last thing on my mind.
And then I asked him if I was just to be an ordinary brother to serve God well or a pastor. He said he is seeing me standing on a pulpit not in the congregation....
And ever since then I haven't really accepted the call because I am still doubting it so I have been looking for confirmation....
So please I need answers to the following questions:::
1. Does God use suffering to train His children?
2. Is it proper for me to Request a sign from God if He truly called me [Because it is a big risk to venture into pastoral ministry without a calling from God]
3. Is there any Gift like interpreting the word of God
4. And if I finally want to accept the call, how do I go about it?
Please I need Holy-Spirit guided answers!!!
I believe everyone here also has calling and I need help on how to go about with mine

Hello brother you're welcome. I hope this answers will help.
Firstly it's important to understand that everything a child of God does is actually a ministry because it's supposed to be in service to God. Meaning you can be in service to GOD as a businessman e.g Abraham and Job, you can be in service as a politician e. g Daniel and Joseph even a banker or musician is in a ministry as long as its servicing God's interest. So don't let anyone box you into thinking you must be pastor to serve God. Serving God is just doing what you're created to do in service to God.
However there is the office of the five fold ministry I. E the Apostle, prophet, pastor, evangelist and teacher whose duty is prepare And spiritually equip the others in the body of Christ for their respective work for God.
On the matter of calling. It's important to note that there is a DIFFERENCE BETWEEN YOUR GIFTS AND CALLING. YOUR GIFT IS THE GRACE OF GOD GIVEN TO YOU TO PERFORM A SPECIFIC TASK WITH EASE, IT'S AN ENABLEMENT GIVEN TO YOU TO FULFIL YOUR CALLING. HOWEVER YOUR CALLING IS THE SPECIFIC THING GOD WANTS YOU TO DO WITH IT. For example that you have the gift of discernment of spirits doesn't make you automatically a prophet, and that you are prophet doesn't mean you are sent to everyone or sent to prophesy everything. E.g Joel was a prophet sent to Prophesy the coming of the Holy Spirit and the endtimes, Jeremiah was sent to the nations so you will see several prophesies he prophesied to several nations. Samuel was also a prophet but he was sent only to Isreal. Paul was an apostle to the gentiles. You can be a teacher and you are only sent to teach the subject of faith or grace. So an actual calling tells you who you're sent to and what you are sent to do with your gifts and when to set out.
So it often (not always, GOD is mysterious and can do anything he likes, how he likes) starts with you discovering that you manifest a kind of gift or grace e.g Teach easily, inspired to write songs, seeing Visions, having knowledge of hidden things e.t.c . Don't jump into ministry presumptuously at this stage or BE WORRIED EVEN IF YOU RECIEVE A PROPHECY POINTING TO WHAT YOUR CALLING MAYBE. Just keep exercising that gift of yours as God allows it per time where God has put you AND MOST IMPORTANTLY WALK IN GOD's general will for all (His revealed instructions in the word) which includes SANCTIFICATION, DILLIGENCE IN WHAT YOU'RE CURRENTLY ENGAGED IN, PRAYER, FASTINGS, VAST STUDY OF THE WORD OF GOD. Continue your education or whatever you are doing now and do it more diligently but beware of distractions, The anointing often attracts the devil and he comes with diverse tactics to derail you (sufferings, ladies ,family sef) be focused. Then along line at God's appointed time, he will speak to you clearly on what he specifically wants you to do in a way that you can't deny he's the one speaking, don't rush in until he unveils his perfect will for you. BUT IN THE MEAN TIME BE SANCTIFIED, BE DILLIGENT, STUDY TO SHOW YOURSELF APPROVED BOTH THE BIBLE /ANOINTED BOOKS AND YOUR BOOK IN SCHOOL. BECAUSE MANY ARE CALLED FROM BIRTH BUT ONLY FEW ARE CHOSEN AND SENT. THE PROBLEM IS NOT WHAT TO DO, BUT WHO TO SEND, GOD CAN'T SEND JUST ANYBODY TO DO HIS WORK, THATS WHY YOU HEAR HIM SAY "WHO SHALL I SEND? WHO WILL GO FOR US? " Isaiah 6:8, until he removed the iniquity in Isaiah's mouth on verse 7, he couldn't send him. God sets apart him that is godly for himself (psalms 4:3)
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity. But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and of silver, but also of wood and of earth; and some to honour, and some to dishonour. If a man therefore purge himself from these, he shall be a vessel unto honour, sanctified, and meet for the master's use, and prepared unto every good work. Flee also youthful lusts: but follow righteousness, faith, charity, peace, with them that call on the Lord out of a pure heart.
2 Timothy 2:19‭-‬22 KJV
God is always seeking to see who amongst those he has given the gifts(Grace to do) to see who he can send on specific tasks,
“And I sought for a man among them, that should make up the hedge, and stand in the gap before me for the land, that I should not destroy it: but I found none.” Ezekiel 22:30
THE SPIRITS OF THE PROPHETS ARE SUBJECT TO THE PROPHETS, BEWARE OF PERSONAL PROPHESIES NO MATTER HOW GIFTED THAT PERSON IS. Don't despise it but test it with the word of God and wait for him to fulfil it. God bless you

analice107:
Am suspecting we attended the same Bible Studies Yesterday. Am with you 100%

Lol no, it's just something that came to my mind. It's good to have you you back, I have missed your inspired words. Don't go on a long leave if absence again on, you're one of the people that spice up this forum.

I hope this will bless someone!
Ephesians 4:11-13 KJV
11 And he gave some, apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
13 Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fullness of Christ:
14 That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;

In this perilous times where wolves in sheep clothing’s have invaded the body of Christ, it is increasingly difficult for Christians to accept and be blessed by the ministry of sent men of God. It has become so scary that you need the helps of God and high level discernment to escape many of these wolves. However the fear of getting it wrong with men of God is gradually robbing the body of Christ of the benefits of God’s plan for giving ministry gifts to stabilize the church in the first place. Hence I belief that the devil is capitalizing on his introduction of false men of God on a large scale from two angles. firstly by using those people to led people astray and secondly to use the fear and common narrative of Christians being led astray to further toss to and fro well meaning Christians and spiritual babes in the faith. I’m a very strong advocate that a believer’s faith is primarily his own responsible however we must not lose sight of the benefits of accepting the ministry of anointed vessels.
According to the scripture shared above, no matter how anointed you are, no matter how studious, no matter how fire brand you are, you can’t attain the fullness of the stature of Christ without the input of anointed men and women of God in your life. Even pastors must have a pastor, every timothy needs a Paul, and even Paul needed an Ananias, Jesus needed John the Baptist. So this is a spiritual principle we can’t do away with despite the prevailing circumstances of false men of God.
I have found this principle to hold true from personal experience ( it may differ for others), to have an healthy and rapid spiritual growth every Christian must have access to the ministry of a Teacher in the faith ( A PERSON WITH THE TEACHING ANOINTING, NOT JUST TRYING TO TEACH ON HIS OWN. TEACHING IS VERY DIFFERENT FROM PREACHING) and then a prophet ( a new testament prophet, not everything vision things without sound doctrine) or an apostle preferably through their books and messages.
I attend a church whose founder is called to be an apostle and by virtue of this he often manifests as a pastor and prophet frequently, or a teacher sometimes yet there are spiritual principles he will teach that he can never explain like someone who is primarily a teacher. There is just this anointing that makes teacher explain deep things and make them look cheap.
The problem is most churches by virtue of their founder usually have one ministry gift in operation most times, so it’s important that you let the Holy Spirit open your eyes to books and materials of other anointed men of God (living or passed on) to augment your spiritual arsenal.
Not all Christians may need the ministry of the evangelist in their lives but the ministry of teachers, apostles and prophets are so vital to every Christian, that there are somethings you will miss out on if you are not connected to them
Important notes:
1. Out of all these ministries,i didn't mention the pastor, because I believe the ministry of the pastor is non-negotiable, every christian has one (Jeremiah 3:15), you must pick them extra carefully because they often have the closest relationship with you. It’s also important to note that your pastor does not necessarily have to head a church or have a title, the closest person to a pastor in my life is not even an ordained pastor, he’s just a very grounded Christian brother, but I know he has depth of understanding in scripture, has a matured character and he gives invaluable counsel. In sort he has the pastoral anointing in vivid manifestation (unfortunately, I have been a bit distant from him recently which is my fault)
2. NO MAN OF GOD IS A SUBSTITUTE TO YOUR PERSONAL WALK WITH GOD AND WORK FOR GOD, THEY ARE CATALYST BUT YOU MUST DO YOUR OWN WALK YOURSELF.
3. TEST ALL SPIRITS, HOLD ONLY WHAT’S TRUE. BE WARNED
4. IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTION PARTICULARLY WITH RESPECT TO WHO IS A TEACHER, PROPHET E.T.C AND WHAT THEY DO OR ANY OTHER THING WITH RESPECT TO WHAT I HAVE SHARED FEEL FREE TO SHARE
5. IF YOU HAVE ANY CORRECTIONS OR VARYING OPINION, PLEASE BLESS ME WITH IT.
6. PROPHETS ARE NOT SUPPOSED TO LEAD YOU, THEY CAN HOWEVER GIVE YOU A CONFIRMATION OF WHAT THE HOLY SPIRIT HAS PUT IN YOUR SPIRIT MAN ALREADY PLEASE BE EXTRA WATCHFUL OF THAT.
7. TEST ALL SPIRITS, AGAIN I SAY TEST ALL SPIRITS, NOW I’M EVEN BEGGING YOU PLEASE ALWAYS TEST ALL SPIRITS . I TEST ALL SPIRITS EVEN MY OWN SPIRIT LEST I’M GRADUALLY FALLING TO ERROR.
GOD BLESS AND KEEP YOU ALL. AMEN

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Lamasta:
In this second dream this one is reaally complicated but I will share it in this dream after the first dream I shared above I was with a group of people which I suspect to be Party leaders and we are having a meeting with President Buhari in his bedroom in Aso Rock, me I realized I was just an observer listening to everything been said so Mr Buhari with a very SAD AND UNHAPPY MOODS WAS TELLING THIS PEOPLE THAT HE WANTS TO DIVORCE HIS WIFE AND THE PEOPLE HE WAS TALKING TO WERE LIKE WHY WILL YOU DIVORCE YOUR WIFE AND WHAT WAS HER OFFENCE? AND Mr BUHARI RESPONDED THAT SHE HAS COMMITED AN OFFENSE HE MENTIONED SUCH AS ADULTERY OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT THAT HE MENTIONED AND HE SAID THAT HE CANNOT CONTINUE WITH HER AGAIN THAT THEY SHOULD HELP HIM LOOK FOR A CREDIBLE REPLACEMENT THAT HE CANNOT FIND HIM HIMSELF BECAUSE OF HIS BUSY SCHEDULE AND VICE VERSA, SO THEY ALL TOLD HIM TO CALM DOWN THAT THEY WILL SURELY DO THAT FOR HIM THAT HE SHOULD NOT BE SAD AND UNHAPPY BECAUSE OF HIS POSSITION THAT THEY WILL SURELY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT.
As this meeting ended when we got outside seems we met some people who are like pressmen and they were asking what was the outcome of our meeting with the President and also what are they to expect in 2019.....I will cut it here cos the reply the person that responded in the dream which I suspected to be a heavyweight in the team that did the meeting with the President in his bedroom was opposit completely from what Mr Buhari said and where I was I was shocked that the President must not hear what this Man said o but again I realized that they don`t even know that someone like me was even witnessing everything they are doing and I woke up at this stage and I forgot everything as my eyes opened, but the funny thing thing is that as I opened my eyes I just felt the urge to PRAISE GOD AT MY BED AFTER SINGING SOME COUPLE OF SONGS I JUST SANG THIS SONG
HOLY SPIRIT BE MY COMFORTER......AND IMMEDIATELY ALL THE DREAMS WERE REPLAYED EXACTLY AS I HAVE DREAMED THEM AND I STOOD UP IMMEDIATELY AND WROTE THEM DOWN AND SINCE THEN DEVIL HAS BEEN BLOCKING ME FROM SHARING THIS DREAMS BUT I THANK GOD HERE IT IS SO Bro CharlyG1 pls your attention is needed in this 2 dreams. What baffles me is that each time I want to have dreams like this the HOLY SPIRIT will tell me His coming to visit me...
Bro CharlyG1 Sir I know you are always busy but pls spare me little time and explain this dreams to me. God bless as you respond Sir.

Wow, i don't really know much about interpretation of dreams but it's definitely true that there is more than meets the eyes concerning Nigeria, I shared some dreams with regards to that a few weeks ago here. Another thing I have learnt is that the devil is a very dubious and deceptive personality, he would rather want the church to be fighting the wrong enemy while manipulating things from the background. The leadership of this country needs our prayers a lot,our problem is not that party or this party. There are powers in the heavenlies designated to rule the unbelievers over Nigeria Andthis forces manipulate Every unbeliever knowingly or unknowingly and if the genuine children of God (not church goers) don't make intercessions this forces will keep manipulating the society through economic, social and other factors to draw men to sin. For example Now this current economic crunch has killed the conscience of many including christians, they are looking to get rich anyhow and what this stimulate his the judgment of God which we must intercede against. If the people that are called by my name will humble themselves and pray and seek my my face and TURN FROM THEIR WICKED WAYS, I will hear them and heal their land.

@ Tjayjosh , I'm waiting to hear your opinion of what spiritual warfare should be. Will like to learn from you and see things from your own perspective .

chabod2015:
Very true @etidy.

Also personally do not use medication.

Mine is based on the fact that Jesus has paid for my good health as revealed in scripture.

Whenever anything contrary tries to rear up, I simply meditate on this fact and profess it - voila!

Learned the hard way though.

Your posts have always been of great benefit.

Even though you maintain a humble disposition, your greatness still shows through.

Keep it up brother.

Thanks

thanks bro, I appreciate, it's not just about trying to be humble, the truth is I'm just a small boy in the faith, I will be deluded to think otherwise .its feels great meeting a colleague who is a believer, it's becoming really rare in our profession now, I think when people acquire scientific knowledge it can lead to futility of the mind and the fear of God dies in them. God bless you sir and may you continue to increase in Grace.

chabod2015:
My close friend who is also a believer complained of symptoms of asthma, he had rejected it as not being his portion.

Now, I believe that Jesus Christ has made full provision for sound health. At the same time I am a licensed medical doctor.

This is a dilemma, I affirm God's provision of health, and at the same time, I am aware that untreated asthma can lead to sudden death.

My solution - understand that God's promise/provision and our experience in some way can be viewed as the relationship between aviation and gravity.

The experience of flying is not the denial of gravity.

It is the imposition of a higher law over another.

It is wrong to go the top of a building and, without any prior preparation, jump off and expect to fly! It is wisdom to rather do this in a wise and practical manner including adequate preparations. Consider how much safer it is to engage this higher reality by utilising an aircraft.

I encouraged him to go for evaluation and accept therapy as offered - prudence is to heed God's warning signs.
Afterward, to find out God's provision on this matter and engage it by continuously meditating on and professing this reality.
The life of God begins to manifest as we change our deepest thoughts and continuously affirm same. Soon, you realise your experience has eased into this higher reality.

Some are mature enough to jump and fly. If you're NOT certain to jump off the cliff and NOT crash, please use the aircraft of wise - common sense. Cheers

I'm also a Medical Doctor and I face this scenario with patients regularly. Personally I don't use drugs because I CAN'T AND I DON'T fall sick, everything is a function of faith. The problem is people don't have an understanding of faith. Many people think it's strong mindedness that want to have what it likes without a foundation. Any faith that's not based on personal revelation from a divine encounter is likely to fail. I got my own command of health from a revelation of the word and because whatever God(the word) does is forever, it has withstood several tests and never failed me. What I do with those kind of patients is to find out where their expectations come from, is it because they heard so and want to join the bandwagon OR because a pastor said so? If it's not a revelation of truth I just advice them to use drugs.
One scripture that opened my eyes concerning faith is this :
My son, eat thou honey, because it is good; and the honeycomb, which is sweet to thy taste: So shall the knowledge of wisdom be unto thy soul: when thou hast found it, then there shall be a reward, and thy expectation shall not be cut off.
Proverbs 24:13‭-‬14 KJV
So the reward for the right word encounter is sure delivery of your expectations. as long as the expectation is based on the word, you can rest easy, your friend will be fine.
Another scriptures that buttresses this is
My son, attend to my words; incline thine ear unto my sayings. Let them not depart from thine eyes; keep them in the midst of thine heart. For they are life unto those that find them, and health to all their flesh.
Proverbs 4:20‭-‬22 KJV
Any one that has found the right word encounter should not be bothered. So the challenge is to decipher whether what your friend has is Word based faith or just a desire
Another thing that just struck my spirit from both scriptures I just shared above is that, Word encounters don't just happen, YOU ACTIVELY SEEK FOR THEM TILL WE FIND IT AND WHEN YOU GET IT, YOU JUST KNOW YOU HIT A JACKPOT, now I see what David meant when he said[b] Psalm 119:162 KJV: I rejoice at thy word, as one that findeth great spoil.[/b]

I Listened to a man of God recently and he said something along this line that struck me like thunder " if you are a truly redeemed child of God, it's an insult for you to wake up at night and be praying because of the devil, if you must wake up to pray let it be about thanking God, asking for wisdom or something else" . It sounded boastful but when i pondered it, he was right and his boasting was not in himself but what Jesus has done. it is unscriptural to spend your nights fighting the devil as a genuine child of God. why this is what the scriptures say :
It is vain for you to rise up early, to sit up late, to eat the bread of sorrows: for so he giveth his beloved sleep. psalms 127:1 and who is that beloved ? you and i why? because ephesians 1:6 To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved. since i learnt this from a book anytime i consciously proclaim this and hold Christ to fulfil his promises before i go to bed except on a few situations where i let my faith i have never had any problem sleeping, sex demons oh, nightmares ooh, name any kind of sleep problems i don't have it. that"s what the word of GOD does, it is light that shatters darkness. The Holy Spirit helped me discover it and taught me how to apply it while doing my personal study, if i had refused to study maybe i wont have found it. what else does God say about sleep?
Psalms 4:8 I will both lay me down in peace, and sleep: for thou, LORD, only makest me dwell in safety.
Psalms 91:5-6 5 Thou shalt not be afraid for the terror by night; nor for the arrow that flieth by day;
6 Nor for the pestilence that walketh in darkness; nor for the destruction that wasteth at noonday.
All that's needed is for us to discover and put our faith in Jesus like a baby and trust him to keep his part of the bargain.

Now let me share my experience. on monday night after sharing my testimony of how God helped me to shame the devil when i ate in my dream. It seemed the devil provoke and wanted to shakara me that night . i went to bed around 11 pm, exactly around 2:15pm after phcn had done their usual stuff. suddenly it felt like something entered my room and immediately tried to start pressing me gradually from the leg upwards. so i rebuked it and woke up, i could sense something was i the room but i didn't see anything, next thing i know was i heard something like a cat or a baby crying at my window truth be told small fear catch me (i no be spiritual macho man yet) my mind told me that "yes dem don find you come house, sebi u dy get mouth: but i determined in my heart to hold on to the truth that good sleep was my right and i won't give the devil space to contest it by praying a prayer of unbelief. so i tried speaking in tongues, but it didn't flow, i choose to ignore the voice, i wan form smith wigglesworth by not recognizing the devil, so i walked around and eventually went to the living room to sleep on the sofa. for where ? sleep no come , i could still feel the evil presence . so i went back to my room, slept on my bed and started reminding God of his promises in a conversational tone. Then from nowhere two scriptures came to me one of them i had read during the day . Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid (john 14:27) and i added Jesus you have not given me the spirit of fear, but of power and of a sound mind (2 tim 1:7) and[b] just like that, immediately,it was as if someone took something off my back and as if a person switched on a bulb. the evil presence departed and peace just rushed into the room. [/b] and i fell asleep. i slept so much even (though i had planned to do my normal study and prayer later on) that i was late for work on tuesday . i say all these not to boast in myself but in JESUS CHRIST. I DID NOTHING THAN JUST BELIEVE IN HIS COMPLETED WORKS, I DIDN'T BOTHER TO FIGHT THE DEVIL BECAUSE HE'S NOT MY MATE, BECAUSE I JEJELY CHOSE TO REST IN JESUS SHIKENA.BUTTERFLIES ARE MINDFUL OF COBWEBS, BUT A MAN INSIDE A JEEP(JESUS) SEES A COBWEB, RECOGNIZES IT, HE DOESN'T DENY IT'S EXISTENCE OR IT'S POWER TO IMPEDE ANOTHER PERSON , BUT HE ALSO RECOGNIZES IT CAN'T BE AN IMPEDIMENT TO HIM, SO HE DRIVES ON LIKE THE COBWEB IS NOTHING. THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN WINNING AND LOSING IS OFTEN NOT WHAT WE KNOW, OR THE INTENSITY OF OUR PRAYER, BUT LOOKING AWAY FROM OUR WORKS TO BELIEVING IN THE COMPLETED WORKS OF JESUS. JESUS HAS DONE IT, JESUS HAS SET US FREE. TO HIM ALONE BE ALL THE GLORY.

GoodMuyis:
Dont, panic joor, next time you eat like that wake up and drink water. Then praise God...

But if you dont want such dream again Psalm 127:2c "for so He giveth His beloved sleep". shikena no need of fire-fire prayer, just tell God you are His beloved sake of John 3:16 and you need sweet sleep. that's all.

CAUTION: My advice is for child of God, and you are sure of yourself, Then have you confidence toward God.

God bless

Thanks for that word of exhortation sir. Most people in the Body of Christ don't know how cheap the devil is, because we don't really know Jesus and what he did and many preachers (particularly so called deliverance minsters, FORGIVE ME FOR SAY THAT, THERE ARE A FEW GENUINE ONES)are not helping matters. they have glorified satan so much that the only reason many people are serving God is because of fear of the devil. The truth is that the devil is very powerful but he can only rule over those who are not in Christ. Christ is not just a person, it's a realm. Christ is the secret place of the most high, the shadow of the almighty(psalms 91:1). when he came he paid our ransom, defeated the devil, and made us to sit in heavenly places IN CHRIST JESUS far above the devil (ephesians 2:6, ephesians 1:20-22). SO CHRIST IS A REALM YOU ENTER AND SIT IN, AND OUR ACCESS IS BY FAITH. Our major fight is to labor to enter into this rest. Paul said in Hebrews 4:9-11

9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God.
10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his.
11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

We labour in faith to enter into this rest, so we don't fall into the snares of the enemy by unbelief. this is the real fight of faith. that's why agree with sister HananHezron that we Christians need to take personal responsibility for their faith. another persons faith can only help you a bit, but you can only live by own faith. BUIILDING FAITH IS NON NEGOTIABLE AND IT'S HARD LABOUR. IT'S INTENSE LABOUR STUDYING THE BIBLE, FASTING AND PRAYERS, STUDYING ANOINTED BOOKS, LISTENING TO ANOINTED MESSAGES.
THE SAME WAY ANYONE NO ONE CAN URINATE FOR ANOTHER PERSON OR EAT FOR ANOTHER PERSON, IS THE SAME WAY NO ONE CAN HAVE FAITH FOR ANOTHER PERSON. (MORE ON THIS LATER SHA)
THAT HEBREWS 4:11 WAS CLEAR, IF WE LABOUR FOR FAITH TO ENTER INTO OUR REST(THE SECRET PLACE, THE CHRIST REALM), WE CEASE FROM OUR WORKS. MEANING WE ARE NO MORE THE ONES THAT FIGHT THE DEVIL BUT JESUS FIGHTS FOR US. BUT WHAT DO CHRISTIANS DO TODAY? WE ARE MORE FOCUSED ON LEARNING THE TECHNIQUES OF FIGHTING THE DEVIL THAN LEARNING HOW TO ENGAGE WHO WILL FIGHT FOR US.
WE CAN'T FIGHT THE DEVIL ON OUR OWN WITH OUR OWN WORKS, HE WILL ALWAYS CRUSH US, BUT IN CHRIST WE ARE AT REST.
THERE IS TOO MUCH TEACHING ON WHO THE DEVIL IS AND WHAT HE DOES (THOSE KNOWLEDGE ARE VALUEABLE BUT NOT THE BREAD AND BUTTER OF CHRISTIANITY) AND HOW TO FIGHT HIM LIKE THIS AND LIKE THAT AND WITH THIS UPPER CUT, AND LEFT JAB. OYA SHOUT JESUS THIS NUMBER OF TIME, SHOUT FIRE THIS NUMBER OF TIME, HOLY GHOST BOMB THIS NUMBER OF TIME, OYA KICK THE DEVIL THIS WAY AND THAT WAY AND THEN MAKE SURE YOU ARE SHOUTING OOH AND TWISTING YOUR HEAD. ... I'M REALLY SORRY IF I MIGHT HAVE OFFENDED ANYONE WITH WHAT I JUST SAID AND I KNOW SOME OF US MAY NOT AGREE WITH IT, BUT AS BRETHREN IN THE LORD, WE SHOULD ALWAYS BE OPEN TO OURSELVES WITH THE TRUTH. MANY OF THOSE THINGS ARE ARRANT NONSENSE AND CAN'T BE SUBSTANTIATED IN SCRIPTURES. WE HAVE LEFT JESUS WHERE HE PUT US AND ENTERED THE REALM WHERE THE DEVIL CAN BEAT US, THE REALM OF UNBELIEF.

Tjayjosh:
You are right. That is why it is important to be persistant in prayer. There is nothing like unanswered prayer. It is either your prayer does not go beyond your roof as a result of sin or it fails to manifest because of spiritual opposition from the devil and his kingdom. Anybody reading this should note that, God hears the prayer of a righteous man and answer immediately. Then he continued, "Do not be afraid, Daniel. Since the first day that you set your mind to gain understanding and to humble yourself before your God, your words were heard, and i have come in response to them. But the prince of the persian kingdom resisted me twenty one days. Then micheal, one of your chief princes, came to help me, because i was detained there with the king of persia (Daniel 10:12-13). Because we are unaware about the spiritual warfare in this area satan robs us of the answer before it can manifest.

This is very true sir and it's more common with intercessory prayers. What most Christains are not conscious is that there are different kinds of prayers (Eph 6:18) and the rule that governs them differs . The prayer of faith which involves appropriating God's promises to Ourselves is usually straightforward if our faith and standing with God is intact, but with intercession for a person or group of people we are leaving our own territory to plead another person's case. The person may even be in sin or has done something that gives the devil the right to contest the delivery of the answer. That's why intercession is often fierce warfare and you did notice most times when interceding particularly in the Spirit, there is usually this extra fire, extra burden that just comes on you, that compels you to press in prayer till you obtain the answer often signified by a release or a lifting of the burden. I believe that was the case with Daniel and the children of Israel. The Prince of Persia was legally in command of that domain and the children of Israel had been placed in his hands.
Another reason for seemingly unanswered prayers was what God revealed concerning me recently , I was asking God for an answer to something but because my reasoning on that matter was very carnal and my expectation from God was based on wrong information even when God had sent an answer I couldn't recognize it I kept on bothering God in prayer. In many cases, Our Peter is already at the door knocking but because of wrong expectations we may still keep praying and making God look unjust and unfaithful (Acts 12:12-17) . Only God can help us.

chumz11:
Teachers in the house how can one be delivered of eating in the dream.i ate in the dream last night and been purging all through today.i want this nonsense to stop in my life

Just to add to all everyone has shared. Engage the power of testimonies

King James Version
The law of the LORD is perfect, converting the soul: the testimony of the LORD is sure, making wise the simple. Psalms 19:7
People's testimonies about the acts of God are very powerful. They can make us wiser and equip us with the knowledge to apply in our own situations.
That's why the Bible says "And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony;......
Revelation 12:11 KJV
They are faith boosters and spiritual growth accelerators. That's one of the reasons I come here regularly. To come and be blessed by the testimonies of others.
Why did i say all these? Because I actually overcame the devil's food attack on me because I had heard testimonies of how people sweatlessly overcame.
A man I know once had a dream. In that dream an elderly man came to his bedroom and forced something in to his mouth (can't remember what it was, a cake or something else) while he was on his bed.the thing became a cockroach in his throat and he was forced to swallow it, suddenly he developed a sharp pain in this tummy which woke him up. As he woke up he was in excruciating pain and as he pondered on what to do. The Holy Spirit reminded him of a Smith wigglesworth testimony where the devil came to visit him at home, but instead of Mr Smith to start panicking and firing prayers, he just said "oh devil so it's you" and went back to bed and nothing happened. So the man said he too choose not to "panic pray" but instead, thanked the devil for the meal and opening the door of financial increase for him. And he went back to bed, the pain ceased and the next week, the man's income doubled . Since then the man has being looking for the devil to bring another meal . You can see how powerful testimonies are. There is no spiritual heavyweight in reality Except Jesus, we are just at the mercy of what we know and what we choose to believe, to exercise faith or to exercise fear. Have a great night sir.

chumz11:
Teachers in the house how can one be delivered of eating in the dream.i ate in the dream last night and been purging all through today.i want this nonsense to stop in my life

That's the easiest thing to do, when you wake up just ask the devil to bring fruit juice next time . I will be talking more along the line of faith on this platform ,if the Holy Spirit permits. It's important we really know who Jesus is on a deep level, what he did and where you are sitted in the realm of the Spirit. This will help you to know how to exercise your authority in Christ by just putting absolute faith in his completed works. If you have completely accept Jesus as your LORD and saviour then all the devil can do is to bark and lure you out of your place of rest and faith in Christ Jesus into the realm of prayers of unbelief and fear. The devil has tried that trick with me before, I ate with confidence and Just told them that I enjoyed the meal But they should bring fruit juice next time . Since then they gave up. But first thing first examine yourself and your relationship with Jesus. Be conscious of his Grace and not your works and then, use the stone of targetted verses of scriptures to deal with the enemy. As for the purging, if you can take the communion, it will stop sharp sharp. God Bless you.

http://pastor.ng/en/audioDetails/2276
Please I'm pleading with everyone to check that link and download some of the messages On that page and website in general. Particularly the one titled "everything is in Christ" . Ooh how sad we make Jesus feel, how insignificant we make his completed works to look. The enemy has robbed many, spoilt many, destroy many, because we chose not to learn the truth. The Holy Spirit once opened my eyes with these inspired words "from the beginning the problem of man, is not the devil but DISOBEDIENCE (REBELLION) AND IGNORANCE. For Adam it was rebellion. Just look through scriptures it has always being about Man not knowing what to do (my people perish because they lack knowledge) or simply refusing to do it (disobedience, rebellion). THE DEVIL IS NOT YOUR PROBLEM, AS LONG AS YOU'RE BORN AGAIN. IF ONLY WE KNEW, WE DID MARVEL AT THE GRACE IN CHRIST JESUS, IF WE KNEW WE WILL TRULLY KNOW THAT "IT IS FINISHED". IF ONLY WE SEE THAT JESUS HAS PUT HIM UNDER, WE WILL GLORY IN JESUS AND NOT IN OUR WORKS AND FASTINGS AND PRAYERS AND GIVINGS. THE BIBLE NEVER SAID PRAYER IS THE WEAPON THAT DELIVER PEOPLE, THE WORD (knowledge of Jesus Christ) IS THE WEAPON OF DELIVERANCE. PRAYER IS JUST AN ART FOR CHANNELING (UTILIZING WHAT WE KNOW), THE WORD IS THE SWORD OF THE SPIRIT, PRAYER IS JUST THE ART OF APPLYING THE ARMOUR AND WEAPONS THE WORD HAS GIVEN US. THAT'S WHY WE WEAR THE WORD FORMED ARMOUR FIRST (EPHESIANS 6:11-17) AND THEN ENGAGE IT IN PRAYER (EPHESIANS 6:18) .. SO SAD, WE HAVE MANY DELIVERANCE CHURCHES AND MANIFESTATIONS OF DELIVERANCE BUT ARE THE PEOPLE TRULY DELIVERED? POVERTY, DISEASES , STRIFE STILL RAVAGE THE LAND BECAUSE THE PEOPLE REFUSE "TO KNOW AND WHEN THEY, THEY REFUSE TO DO" . THEY GLORIFY Satan BY PAYING MORE ATTENTION (to fighting the devil) THAN KNOWING, LOVING, ROMANCING AND GLORIFYING JESUS. If we knew, we will enter into a place of rest, where we hold our peace and Jesus fights for us.

AND YE SHALL KNOW THE TRUTH, AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET YOU FREE. JOHN 8:32

HE SENT HIS "WORD" AND HEALED THEM AND "DELIVERED THEM FROM THEIR DESTRUCTIONS"
Psalm 107:20

THE SPIRIT OF THE LORD IS UPON ME, BECAUSE HE HATH ANOINTED ME TO PREACH THE GOSPEL TO THE POOR, HE HATH SENT ME TO HEAL THE BROKENHEARTED, "TO PREACH! TO PREACH!! " DELIVERANCE TO THE CAPTIVES... LUKE 4:18.

WHEN WE TRY TO DO WITH PRAYER, WHAT THE WORD WAS SENT TO DO, WE SCORE A SPIRITUAL "OWN GOAL" AND TURN INTO APOSTLES OF FEAR

Great0 and Alexandro15 that guy is a troll, all he wants is to distract us by eliciting a negative reaction from us. He's not interested in anything that will edify us (just check his post on other forums) . The best way to deal with such people is to ignore Or just keep blessing and loving them if you can. Either of those approaches takes out the sting in their operations.

Which brings me to one truth I have come to accept, NOT everyone is ordained for eternal life. Some people by choice just choose death, even Jesus appearing to them can't stop them (the Jew's saw Jesus Christ) there is nothing you can do to appeal to them.

temi4fash:
No sir,

The office of the teacher and that of the prophet are two parallel offices, if you read some of his books, there was one he said he received the teaching anointing. He said he preached a long time and never had the teaching gift.

Like you, I perceive you have the gift of teaching you are not fully there yet but, with patience, constant study as well as a standing and upright relationship with God, you would have the capacity to occupy the office fully. That does not mean i cant teach infact in my service year, I did teach once or twice or made some contributions during bible study that i know its not me that these. Does that make me a teacher.. NO.. But does that mean i can operate in the teaching anointing definitely when the Lord give me.

Na teachers i fear pass self.. they can be so good at what they do that, if you not careful they will turn the bible upside down and still back it up with scriptures.. They will teach same verse you have reading for more than 15 years and you begin to wonder and be like eh en.. So it true sha.

God help us..

You are absolutely right that the office of the teacher and prophet are two distinct offices but it's possible for someone to be called to stand in more than one offices. There is a lot of controversy along this line sha, but i've read about a lot of people who are called to stand in a particular office and has time went by, God opened another phase of the ministry to them. For e.g with hagin he started out thinking he was a pastor until he was struggling and the Holy Spirit ministered to him, he was pursuing a wrong miministry, however he didn't wait for a full instruction and ran into the evangelist ministry for a year, until God reproved him and unveiled his perfect will for him to be a teacher, which he did for many years until God, unveiled his prophetic ministry to him. At one time he nearly lost his life because he was pursuing another ministry. So he was a teacher but he stood in the office of the prophetic anytime the propehetic unction came on him. I did some study about the scriptural basis of these some time ago and there is a book I read back then " understanding the anointing ". I need to refresh though because it's always good to be hold on to the scriptures not experiential evidence. But I do believe, for some ministers, the vision is unveiled in phases depending on how faithful they are. Thanks sir. I mentioned you on an earlier post, do u have any counsel for me on that sir, will greatly appreciate it.

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HananHezron:
I miss them myself; The thing is, i may be wrong but i think God suspended them for a while taking me thru what you can call a "separation process". That's how i can best describe it; God let me know that for the revelations to "flow", i have to part away from quite a few number of things and make amends in a few areas in my life:

I am naturally a procrastinator and quite lazy too, even to pray sometimes, yes and i'm truly sorry ; dad was another procrastinator; we are always like "later, some other time, tomorrow, we'll see" [/i]i'm sure i would be farther than this if i just could just put in more effort; Dunno, just a feeling of tiredness and heaviness; Is it natural or not, don't know; i got back to fitness and i must say i feel more energized, even if i know i still got some way to go.

Sorry for the digression; just to let you know where i come from.

Today this morning, while i was [i]"trying to pray", God put this procrastination thing in my mind and He just prompted me like "Today, not Monday, today , you will finish all the work you've been putting aside and you will send it to your boss; like today." And boss is on holiday o. Does God understand that one? . I finally finished paying some colleagues the money i owed them yesterday ; And it was not even much o! I would have done it since .But the laziness to do it...
If God does not literally pressure me or put me under a tough situation where i have no choice, i would just sit there and watch Him. Yeah i know

Another reason for the supension of the revelations: Distractions. Unhealthy distractions for that matter;
I don't just know...i got someone to download "Empire Season 2" The thing even makes me laugh now.
I spent the weekend watching a show that glorifies viciousness, dysfunction ,portraying unnatural scenes in the crudest way I felt disguisted at one point but i kept on watching. At one point i stopped towards the 4th episode...and that is where my problems started. God let me understand all these "Empire" images were packed in my subconscious and it made it difficult to Him to "work";

I even felt like "but if You're not allowing Me to watch/read this or that..how am i going to be informed about what's going on out there?"

Answer from our dear Creator :" So in your mind....Empire is information, abi?" I'm really laughing hard here That answer just finished me. He assured me He will guide Me on how to go about it so that i won't be behind "the latest information". But on His terms.

Something tells me that even "Power" sef, eh... it would be a thing of the past very soon

Looks like God wants to set a kind of timetable for me to follow; With everything being done in due time and due season and in order.
Let me adjust and maybe the reveations will come back....

" So in your mind....Empire is information, abi?" Chai, see answer I just kept quiet

Abeg i'm condemning anyone who watches that show....if watching it doesn't upset your faith...ok o. Looks like it doesn't work for me...or rather for God.

Chai we are cut from the same cloth. The Holy Spirit had to ban me from many seasonals (I used to watch like 7 including empire) , yet I had a relapse and spent most of last weekend watching a movie. I had to pray for mercy ehn. The funny thing is one of them was a magic movie, so when I close my eyes to pray, I was seeing imps and all sorts of creatures, took a while for it to clear. God will help us oh

Tjayjosh:
Wow! Indeed the times is here. Were you able to decipher the date written on the board? My dreams are usually vivid. I see and here things exactly how they seem, but codes (Numbers), dates are usually difficult to decipher.

Honestly for some reason it was purposely blurred, I did see a 2*** as I strained, my closest guesstimate was 2047 but as I didn't exactly know what it was about and I didn't want to run to error. I didn't share tthat part. I don't usually operate revelational gifts of the Holy Spirit but recently I have had a spike in trances and meaningful dreams. I believe the cooperate anointing plus education from this forum is a contributory factor. As for the number I didn't see clearly, my closest assumption will be 2047 . Does 2047 ring a bell as a code?
The funny thing is both dreams started from phone, had almost the same message. If you didn't share yours I won't have had a more firm conviction that the revelation was from GOD.

Tjayjosh:
This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covestous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, traitors, heady, highminded, lovers pleasure more than lovers of God (2 Timothy 3:1-4 KJV). We are approaching the end of this earth's history and satan is working as never before to drag men and women, including believers to hell. 3 months ago i was given a dream. I'll try to share this dream just the way i saw it. In this dream i saw myself and my immediate younger brother sitting on the bed in the room we lived while on campus. In the same room i saw 2 other strange fellas lying face down on the rug. I was going through my phone as i sat on the bed in this dream. Suddenly the face of my phone turned into a manuscript with a strange writing. The alphabets were not english, but of an unknown origin. Surprisingly i was able to read and and understand all that is written there-in. The content of this manuscritpt are repulsive. The works of darkness are repulsive in the most profound sense of that word, and we must recognize them as such. My brother who was sitting close to me asked; what is it? I began to explain the content as i've read. It talks about sexual immorality in all of its ramification, Fornication, adultry, homosexuality, bestiality, masturbation, incest, etc, it says the spirit has been poured out and people will, before i could finish the last sentence, unknown to me one of the fella lying at the extreme end of the rug is a demon. With his face downward he said yes, people will do it more than ever before, this he repeated 3 times and immediatly leaped on the person next to him and began to have sex with him, he grew fangs like a dog, grabbed his neck and began to drain him. On seeing this i held my brother by the hand and we began to run. We ran outside and the demon came after us, we saw the gate of the next house before our own opened. We ran inside , but the demon could not enter though the gate was till open. He just stood at the door mouth and was staring at me with anger, i turned and stared back at him. This demon looks exactly like a vampire, just like the one we see in movies. Satan is working with a great intensity, he desires to embrace the whole world in his confederacy hiding his deformity under the garb of christianity. I see a spirit prevailing in the world today, trancending all age groups, even in the church. Sexual immorality has become the norm of our society. There is nowhere that the contents are not found. Pornography is
rampant in the world today. Perhaps more than anything else,
Satan has succeeded in twisting and perverting sex. He has taken what is good and right, loving
sex between a husband and wife, and replaced it with lust, pornography, adultery, rape, and
homosexuality. Pornography can
be the first step on a very slippery slope of ever increasing wickedness and immorality. Let us pray against this spirit.

the Spirit is indeed one, this is almost exactly the dream I had a few weeks ago, I shared it here on this forum on August 13, u can scroll back to check. I heard the LORD speak to me clearly about a massive increase in immorality. To be honest I only shared a scaled down version of that dream with you guys here. What I saw was too putrid, The rapes, the homosexuality, the murders and I saw a date that was deliberately blurred so I wouldn't know it, but I knew the day was very close, very very close, it almost felt like this century but I don't want to speculate on that, at one point I was nearly doubting myself but I knew I didn't pray to see it, neither was I thinking about the last days at that period. I saw the moon vanish, you can scroll back to August 13 on this page and read some of what I shared. IN THE MOUTH OF TWO OR MORE WITNESSES IS A THING CONFIRMED. THE PERILOUS TIMES IS HERE.

oyeludef:
hi bro, nairaland as a forum has afforded us enough privacy already, u can share anything u know will b useful in bringing souls to God infact dat is why dey are even posted here, about d kenneth hagin files i shared, i av been tremendously blessed by his writing, even though i never got to know of him while he was alife, but his books has helped me grown in faith.
About ur question, i am hardly a teacher, infact i lack d patience nd tactfulness of a teacher( going line upon line, precept upon precept...) as evident in my posts. Sincerely i really pray for the teaching grace and i envy teachers. I think I fare better in d pastoral.
I believe if we all contribute our gifts to dis thread, definitely we will discover those with the teaching grace among us here cos i know God can't leave us without teachers

most times its people that learn from you that will notice that you're a good teacher initially and even if u are naturally not a good teacher, if you really study and listen to some like hagin who was a prophet And teacher something will naturally rub on you. It works with any anointed material. Thx once again

MakeWeTalk:
etidy
We both know that u stand on the square!

What's important is that you leave the Men's Club.

YOU CANNOT MAKE HEAVEN AS A FREEMASON!

YOU CANNOT SERVE TWO MASTERS

Matthew 6:24
No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one,
and despise the other. Ye cannot serve God and mammon(jabulon).

The ball dey ur court!

God bless you sir, I love you bro, but JESUS loves you more. I hope u r having a great evening?

hey my guy Makewetalk, how are you? I hope u had a great day? was surprised we have not heard from you since morning. You're very much welcomed to share Rhema with us ooh anytime. And one more thing, I love you bro. God bless you

Lamasta:
@Bro Etidy I and Sis Analice we are doing our owwn bible study and arguement has to occur all in a bid to know more of the word of God SPEAKING IN TONGUES MEANS FOR EXAMPLE YOU BRO ETIDY as a Nigerian you started Speaking China, Malaysia and French language inside the church after the Holy Spirit has taken over you at that moment even you yourself you won`t know what you are saying thats what Acts 2 vs 8 to 12 was saying, it was the people who are present in the day of pentecost watching the Disciples that say this one is speaking our language PARTIA, SOME MEDIA SOME JUDEA etc Thats what Speaking in tongues is it makes you a Christian by the help of the Holy Spirit to worship, Pray and praise God in Japanese without necessarily learning Japanese....Hope you got my point.

Very good point, however from my little study of tongues what happened at Pentecost is a peculiar situation. Lets look at 1 Cor 14:2 again, amplified version

For one who speaks in an [unknown] tongue speaks not to men but to God, for no one understands or catches his meaning, because in the [Holy] Spirit he utters secret truths and hidden things [not obvious to the understanding].
I believe(Maybe very wrong) God allowed the event at Pentecost to be so just to glorify himself. I don't think it's a regular occurrence that people hear other's speak in tongues in their native language. I've heard a couple of occasions but it's rare. Most times if people will hear it's usually an operation of the gift of interpretation of tongues. That's why we all need that gift, I get some personal interpretation some times but it's not common. It's like we are having so many power gifts (gift of unlimited faith, working of miracles and healing) and revelational gifts (word of wisdom, word of knowledge and discernment of spirits) but less vocal gifts (interpretation of tongues and diversities of tongues) these days. Unlike what I read from the early 20th century. Could it be there are many fakes? Maybe, or maybe people think those vocal gifts except gift of prophecy are not flashy like the power gifts/revelational gifts hence we don't covet it And the Holy Spirit is locking up Hmm I think the later maybe the case.

Well I've thought about it @ Lamasta and analice107 . I don't think what any of us believe on this topic makes much difference, as long as we believe praying in tongues is a fool proof realm of prayer as stated in Romans 8:26-27 because you will always pray the will of God and God will always respond when we pray his will (1jn 5:14) . Let's move on, I believe that Satan can't hear sha, because if he hears ,he can as well empower any high ranking human agent of his kingdom to understand, in other words when you pray in tongue some empowered humans can understand nullifying Paul's assertion In 1 Cor 14:2. Again that Satan was a former angel doesn't mean he can understand or operate Kingdom mysteries (mark 4:11), that's why he can only counterfeit he can't speak or understand real tongues. Tongues is an operation of the Holy Spirit and only those who are of his kingdom should be able to operate and (If he will's) understand it. makes no difference though. Most important thing is that tongues offers immense advantages sha. Lets move on

Wow reading through some of your past posts here has been an eye opener , I hail all the Spiritual badoo in this house oh. Bro oyeludef I admire God 's grace for explaining things comparing spiritual things with spiritual in your life. Are you a teacher? I can also perceive the kenneth hagin in you from a distance. thx also for the dropbox.
I want to also seek permission to share some testimonies I have read here on some other platforms, I promise to keep everything as anonymous as possible, there are some notorious fornicators I know who I want them to see the evil in Fornication In 4D

HananHezron:
power of the Holy Spirit is actually the "PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT"
You over there, who "illuminated"(chai ) you on the fact that i was told last week to search ""PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" or maybe i mentioned it somewhere....

But on a more serious note, there will a time where your "sweet gentle,tender, compassionate" Jesus will not tolerate lukewarmness anymore; He's just giving time to some still lagging, who are neither here nor really there to FINALLY choose their camp.And stick to it!!!

Lately, i don't know maybe it's just to me that it's happening; but the Lord is gradually making me discover me his "Captain of His Host" "Awesome, terrible God" side, no more "sweet sweet Jesus"

You are equally right about speaking in tongues; In fact, i encourage believers to speak in tongues; not babbling, speaking a language actually. It doesn't even matter if you babble first; that's how it starts for some;

Just speak in tongues for long hours on end; when you're working, at school ,when you doing your chores, when you reading your Bible, when you going to fix your hair or if you are at the barber's ; just whisper under your breath; they will gradually develop into languages. Practice makes perfect; Don't worry if you feel awkward ; it's sometimes like that at the beginning.
YOU WILL COME OUT REFRESHED AND STRENGHTHENED

You're actually right about the statement that the person of the Holy Spirit is the Power of the Holy Spirit in a sense. I think my use of English was bad there, what I meant is actually the habit of people looking for manifestation of supernatural events, the gifts, signs and wonders, concentrating on speaking in tongues (which is good) without actually looking for a sweet communion With the person that makes this things to happen. People want to skip the step of knowing how the person feels and reacts to things , what grieves him and what brings him joy. People want to skip the part of hearing his voice and chatting with him straight to manifesting his power. I'm guilty of those things I just said, but most of us are guilty without knowing. And that's why many people command signs, see visions have gifts, but there is little evidence of close interaction of the person of the Holy Spirit in their language and actions. The manifestations of his power are good but it's the communion with him that changes US INTO THE VERY LIKE LIKENESS (IMAGE) OF CHRIST FROM ONE LEVEL OF GLORY TO GLORY (2 COR 3:18) . A Christian can manifest the power to a certain extent without knowing the person responsible for the power. I hope u get what I'm trying to say now . Thanks God bless you, more grace. ..chai, I don exhaust my acceptable talking Allocation on this forum today Lol, make I siddon learn from my Ogas.

analice107:
Tongues are a mystery to man, "unregenerated man" Why? Becos is dead spiritually. Satan is a spirit not man, and he had been right at the throne with the father before the Rebellion.
He indeed understands Tongues, that's why he is able to fake them. You can't fake what you don't know. Occultic people speak in tongues, I hope u know that?

What i expected you to say is, demons can understand what we say to God in Tongues, but can't effect any negative changes or influence the outcome of our prayers. But, they understand tongues.

Hmm that's actually a very interesting point of view and very plausible. I get what you just said there. The part I don't just understand is that apart from helping us pray right, then speaking in tongues will offer no greater value than praying with the understanding if Satan could hear it. Because if you're praying with your understanding using the right scriptures and your faith is intact in the first place Satan won't be able to stop you even though he understands what you're praying e.g the case of Elijah. So it's likely that there is something more deeper that irks the devil so much that he wants to counterfeit it. That something is counterfeit means it's aim is to distract people from the original and it can never be like the original. Anyway that's just my line of reasoning from scriptures, I guess we should just ask the giver of the tongues himself the "Holy Spirit " , he definitely will have the answer. As I just typed this two scriptures just came flying in Wow. Mark 4:11 unto us is giving TO KNOW THE MYSTERIES OF THE KINGDOM, because Satan is a spirit doesn't mean he understands the mysteries of the Kingdom of our father. the devil and principalities though they came before man are to learn the many sided wisdom of God through us, tongues are one of those mysteries set in motion in Christ Jesus from the beginning to keep them bewildered about the depths of the wisdom of God. That's what just came into my spirit man, you can ask the Holy Spirit and see what comes to you and share, I will be glad to hear from you
. And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ: To the intent that now unto the principalities and powers in heavenly places might be known by the church the manifold wisdom of God,
Ephesians 3:9‭-‬10 KJV
0 [The purpose is] that through the church the complicated, many-sided wisdom of God in all its infinite variety and innumerable aspects might now be made known to the angelic rulers and authorities (principalities and powers) in the heavenly sphere. Amplified version.

temi4fash:
I pray for these brother, that you would not stray from these path, I pray that the lord would go before you be your shield and your blocker, he will be your guide, you would not fall, your not be defeated by the power and the call of God upon my life you would not be defeated, the lord give you power to oppress your oppressors, And reinforcement of the enemy against the fire of the most high God would silence them in the name of Jesus. God bless you bro.

Continue to enjoy God.

Amen , thank you very much sir. Thanks for the love. May his grace keep you and continue to multiply IN your life. I really really really appreciate this sir.

HananHezron:
NONE OF YA GOT THE DRIFT...

Had nothing to do with the typo; It was about the message;I can't believe i typed this all by myself....

I started quite slowly and carefully, because i didn't know how to go about this "Touch not" thing. You see, i felt so many people reading the part of this thread grumbling in their hearts and feeling dissappointed (out of frustration and/or the fact that they of kind of felt played) because just like me, at one point; they equally felt God was not being fair by letting "them" get away "just like that".

Yes , i felt most of you guys...you can't hide from God

Like i said i started typing slowly and then BAM. The words began to come, verses began to pour in, i just began typing very fast. When i was through, i looked at the message and i felt like Steve Urkel : Did I do that??

Something told me not to post it, i hesitated. Didn't want to be an instigator of an unecessary polemic here; But i don't know...just clicked "submit" and off it went.

Maybe i could have posted more, the thing is, my eyes got blurred, couldn't see the screen well; that's why i made spelling mistakes. Does it ressemble me to make so many mistakes on one line like that? I could see clearly around 30 mins-1hour later;


I don't even know ...but it looks like God put in my heart to urge christians out there to search the scriptures diligently and to stop being lazy in their walk in the Lord. Yes, you are called to respect the spiritual leaders God put you under because they watch over your souls, but please, stop being ADDICTED to them; You throw everything on them, even areas where it is[b] YOUR OWN RESPONSIBLITY[/b] to work on. C'mon here!

Spiritual laziness, spiritual ignorance and the gospel "that preaches to us what we love to hear" is what has landed most of us in trouble today. If you don't read your Bible often, how can you be familiar with God's Voice, how will you be able to discern what is of God and what is not God. God doesn't even have the means to warn you in case of attack !!!!You just sit there and accept any wind of doctrine that is chewed and given to you. You see what nonchalance can do?

We are in times of deception, please, at least,for your own safety, take time study the scriptures ; spend time with God; One can never over-emphasize on this. Long for God, want God badly; seek to know His Truth, even if that truth does not suit your personal conveniences; as long as God confirms in your heart that it is from Him, that is all that matters. Strive to know Him in the most Personal and Intimate way and not always because you can obtain this or that material blessing. God has become people's umbrella. You only open to Him in times of rains and storm, never when it beautiful and sun-shiny. When times are sunny, you fold Him and hang Him somewhere....where all the dust of the house will settle on Him. When times get stormy, you remember that your umbrella you threw somewhere in the house and dust him off cos now he's useful to you.

That's selfish. Very selfish. You are hard-hearted, yeah i said it. And you wonder why you aint getting nowhere...What if someone you dearly love treated you this way with so much disdain? How would you feel, how would you take it

When wolves in sheep's clothing eventually chew you and spit you out, you start thinking "All these so-called men of God are the same!"

If you feel so much all these men of God are the same, I , Hanan,

I challenge you to come out and make a difference!!! A real difference!!! Show us what a real man/woman of God is all about; Let people out there see how a man/woman after God's Heart looks like!!! After all, by their fruits we shall know them, abi?

STOP whining about this or that Man of God, take a stand and show God you mean business!!!!

I am the commander of the army of the LORD. Now I have come.Joshua 5:14
Quit bawling and get into the ranks!!!!


And you'll be as exciting as Hanan Hezron I just had to do small shakara, the temptation was too much, ha ha ha

Coming for those called to look after God's flock
Don't know when nor how, but your turn will definitely come

You are indeed a woman of the Spirit and u have richly blessed me with that post. I believe it was specifically for me. Let me digress a little, in an earlier post I said something that how Nigeria will get worse. How did I know this? After service about a year ago I was actively seeking God's face on what next and I had set my eyes on travelling abroad to continue my studies, I had even started processing some professional exams I needed to write because of the nature of my profession then God struck from the story of Isaac and told me to remail n the land of famine. It was so clear that NIGERIA will experience a "famine" season aka economic holocaust. Now where am I going with this. Recently I have not been satisfied with the progress I have made so I started turning my spiritual antenna to pick signals and I keep picking this signal "BUT THOSE WHO KNOW THEIR GOD SHALL BE STRONG AND DO EXPLOITS" . We are entering a season where only those with INTIMATE KNOWLEDGE, ACTIVE RELATIONSHIP, DEPTH OF KNOWLEDGE OF KINGDOM SECRETS, MAN KNOW MAN RELATIONSHIP WITH THE HOLY SPIRIT WILL STAND OUT. The kind of wickedness and hunger that is coming is what requires daily guidance to live above it. One Dollar is already 400naira on the parallel market. I believe three things will happen many people will turn to wickedness and the devil by making mammon their god, Those with the inside info in the kingdom will become "Kingdom giants" and those inbetween particularly those playing nominal Christianity will suffer greatly. One thing I seek Now more than tongues, gifts and power of the Holy Spirit is actually the "PERSON OF THE HOLY SPIRIT" . Only those that know him will shine and hit the mark of the high calling in Jesus Christ.
Just look at Moses after many exploits, he had the opportunity to ask anything from God but look at what he asked Now therefore, I pray thee, if I have found grace in thy sight, shew me now thy way, that I may know thee, that I may find grace in thy sight: and consider that this nation is thy people.
Exodus 33:13 KJV , Paul after many years of ministry was still pressing THAT I MAY KNOW HIM, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death;
Philippians 3:10 KJV
Only those who purse a deep knowing of him will be able to abide faithful in his Kingdom, do exploits and NOT lose their placement in his army.

analice107:
Thanks bro, for the correction. It's true that demons were once angels and can understand heavenly language, and that they are multilingual. Well, I was deceived to believe that it was 'Safer' to pray in touches because demons can't understand.
Thanks again. See why we are here? Learning every day.

I'm just catching up with some things I missed before I joined this forum. I'm amazed with some testimonies here. I just want to add something about tongues. Analice I believe your earlier stances that Satan and his agents cant understand tongues Is actually right. Here are some scriptures to buttress this
Paul writes :"The unspiritual man does not receive the gifts of the Spirit of God, for they are folly to him, and he is not able to understand them because they are spiritually discerned" (1 Corinthians 2:14 RSV). This lack of understanding and discernment would apply all the more to Satan and his demons because they are the total description of carnality.
For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
1 Corinthians 14:2 KJV
Praying in tongues is speaking mystery and that verses says specifically it's a prayer ONLY TO GOD. if Satan could hear what we are saying, I believe he could easily empower any demon filled man to understand and that verse becomes nullified because man can now hear it.
Now unto another dimension of tongues :
Likewise the Spirit also helpeth our infirmities: for we know not what we should pray for as we ought: but the Spirit itself maketh intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered. And he that searcheth the hearts knoweth what is the mind of the Spirit, because he maketh intercession for the saints according to the will of God.
Romans 8:26‭-‬27 KJV
From that scripture it becomes evident that only "He that searcheth the heart : "GOD" can know what's in the mind of the Spirit when we groan. Satan can't know the mind of the Spirit. I believe the same way only the Spirit searches the deep things of God and we can only have access to them by the helps of the Spirit, (1 Cor 2:8-12) also only God can know the mind of the Spirit. That's why it's a mystery, an encrypted line to the Godhead. So ur earlier standpoint was right.