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gregyboy:
You're putting yourself into myth bro, you would endup soiling the thread with myth
You guys should stick to empire debate


TAO11 would mess you up if you debate her on this myth

Are you aware oba eweka11 agreed in 1914 to have been an oduduwa son and he paid homage to ooni and alafin

She will mess you up

this are what the Yoruba's capitalize on after 1897


if you want to know about the cruelty of the Yoruba's specifically read about how midwest was form and Akenzua 11 struggle

they thought Benin will be totally weaken after 1897



thats why you see tao11 always posting a picture of the again written yoruba/ awolowo meeting of obas


before 1800 the yorubas can never in history be compare with benin

very Afonjalistic people!!!!

https://www.google.com/url?q=http://www.waado.org/nigerdelta/ethnichistories/egharevbalectures/Fifth-Omoigui.htm&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjw-qWBhLrtAhVQDOwKHVA8A2EQFjAKegQIChAB&usg=AOvVaw24UrtoRkICCSaeg3IRA78M

TAO11:
Lol. You’re in public space. Reserve your your embarrassing ignorance for another day.

Now, go read a book!

You may start with the writings of Archibald Dalzel — a French slave trade who lived in Dahomey in the 1700s.

The book is entitled “The History of Dahomey”. Oyo’s imperial domination of Dahomey and other kingdoms in the region fills up the book almost literally.

You must kill your ignorance.

madam parts of Dahomey are original Yoruba settlers beyond the Dahomey areas the Yoruba's are once that suffered slavery at the hands binis

or are you going to tell me that the Yoruba's in Brazil and other places were originally there?


this your Oyo fight against Dahomey were the reason I said Oyo never fought another tribe


or you want to remind me of what happen against the Fulani and Oyo ?

TAO11:
Oh, now you see! But this time you seem to be seeing more than what is actually written. Lol.

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Anyways, Yes he is a Yoruba man from Ife in the same sense as you are an Edo man from Benin.

Benin mythology claims that Ogiso Igodo skydived into Benin city.

Do you agree that Igodo did this is in a literal historical sense?

Or do you think this is just a mythological narrative to glamorize his personality ??

myth is always done to create fear

talking about igodo

before igodo the ancestral leader of the binis was Idu he was not made king after his death that was where igodo took over

that is why the ancestral shrine of the oba of Benin is erhinmwin_ Idu ( spirit of Idu )

this shrine is handled by the isekhure of Benin



we are not talking about igodo our focus is oduduwa which has always cause problem in history


if you want to talk about igodo you are free but that is after we are done with oduduwa

TAO11:
Oh, now you see! But this time you seem to be seeing more than what is actually written. Lol.

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Anyways, Yes he is a Yoruba man from Ife in the same sense as you are an Edo man from Benin.

Benin mythology claims that Ogiso Igodo skydived into Benin city.

Do you agree that Igodo did this is in a literal historical sense?

Or do you think this is just a mythological narrative to glamorize his personality ??

the Benin palace have never denied oronmiyan coming to Benin but they we always tell you that the oronmiyan in question is a grandson to their exiled prince and even the olugbo confirm it that oduduwa at first came to sought refuge

so what again explain that

maybe you claim again that oduduwa was an ife man

I still dey laugh you


madam read this about ogiamien claim





https://www.nairaland.com/6291503/evidences-shows-ogiamien-claim-original

gregyboy:
Was oyo really an empire

Babatundey
Balogunodua
Olu317
Obalufon

my brother we are din with that


Oyo was no where close to Benin because Oyo never fought a war against another tribe the only one they fought was against the Fulani and they were bitten black and blue

Benin empiristic period started before Oyo but Oyo ended before Benin

there has never being anything in history called Yoruba kingdom rather what we have is Oyo , ijesha land osogbo land etc

the Yoruba's are nothing different from the igbos also with owerri land , olu etc just name it


but in the case of benin, it controls everything with one central power just like roman empire


if there. is any kingdom fit for empire in Nigeria, its Benin

babtoundey:
This one has started with his provide 1300 written evidence that the world existed.
The same thing he tried on the formal threads that Tao kicked him hard in the head is what he is trying here.

You think we are fools when all you will end up saying is "Benin is Sha great, Benin has Sha recorded many achievements, Benin Sha get plenty juju"

Nobody has time for roborebe. if you believe nothing proves the Benin-Ife relationship, prove it. We have seen the video of your Oba admitting Oranmiyan came from Ife to rule Benin. start by proving that wrong and stop the child play of "provide 11000 written account that a father was once a child"

my problem with you Yoruba's is that you look half message

undeniable the oba said oronmiyan came from ife but you people have refuse finish what he says about oduduwa because that doesn't suit you.

the true story of oduduwa being an individual that sought refuge in ife is with the Olugbo of ugbo land



dont come here to give half scripted page please

TAO11:
Read the comment you quoted again — but this time around with your eyes open.

Earlier on, I had talked about the possibility that you have what may be called the selective-seeing syndrome. Thank you for confirming that I was right.

cc: Obalatule, gomojam, Balogunodua, babtoundey

yoruba man from ife by coming from the sky and landing in ife ?

give me a yoruba account that says oduduwa was born and raised in ife

for now let's go into greetings in Benin

Apart from the customary family greetings in Benin we also have greetings that tell hour of the day, occasion, work activities etc for example :

Obowie ____ good morning, happy morning
( obo = happy , owie = morning ) but note that the general word for happy is oghogho but in this case , the obo comes in to represent the action been done at the said time. the original word for obo is "obee" meaning "having"( both e sounds air..) hence the last O ( ob"o) is added to indicate a proper usage for morning ( called owie in Benin ).


Obavan _____ good afternoon ( oba = happy ,
avan = noon ) the "a" in this oba is added to be able to sound well with noon ( which is called avan in Benin) because " ob" can't stand alone


Obota______good evening ( I think I dont have to explain this )


Okhiowie _____ good night or till morning ( okhie = till, owie = morning )


Obevbaru_____ well done


erhegue ____ you will not be killed by another ( this is a greeting done only by females of Benin after eating, actually the word originated from Erhe = another + ghi = will + gbue = kill you .)


Kada _____ i respect you ( this greeting is done only by males of benin after eating, the word was coined out of Ika= I first + da= respect etc +nuen= you)

obokhian _____ welcome

Iyare ______safe return

okhiewere ______ safe journey



the usual family greeting in Benin serve only the purpose of identifying the family you belong to.

I greet Lagite as my morning greeting because am a descendant of the enogie of ute in orhionmwon. Lagite was coin out of Ona ogiu te ( meaning this is of the enogie of ute )



okhiowie ivbi edo mwen n uwa

TAO11:
Interesting!

Anyways, he is not from Mecca even if an Sultan Bello (an Hausa-Fulani man) had said so.

Just the same way you're not a Chinese even if an Igbo man insists so.

To know where you’re from, I’d have to visit your town or village.

Similarly, to know where Oduduwa is from, you must head to his kingdom where he reigned — IFE.

And Ife traditional accounts has repeatedly maintained that he is a Yoruba man from Ife. Okay?

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For further enquiries, in addition to already answering your question in full, you may visit the Obadio of Ife — the priest of Oduduwa.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12799386_856b67dfbae84f7387b6adfd85d9297e_jpeg_jpegf3210016fa4c66aca7215782224a3832

Oh, one last thing! Meccans have long had writing and documented history even centuries before the advent Islam.

Yet there is not a single trace of any exodus from Mecca in the direction of Africa, nor is there any account oral (or written) to corroborate Sultan Bello’s story.

Moreover, Arabs don’t name their children “Oduduwa” if that helps.

you didnt give the answer

again where is oduduwa from since you say he is no from Benin


i dont need the priest that is why I have you as an historian

or your knowledge is limited to that ?

we will looking at Egbe oghe ifienmwen ( parts of speech )

so the first will be

Eni _____noun : eg

Imade ( name of person)

Uselu( name of place )

Emen ( name of animal )

Aga ( name of thing )


in Benin, noun is divided into two

1) Eni nii gia ka ( countable noun )
eg owa ( house)

2) Eni nii giaka ( uncountable noun )eg Amen ( water)


Utaeni______pronoun
utaeni ra lo yu kpo eni ( used in place of noun )
e.g

osaze tota yo daro wa ghe ( the "ghe " represent the utaeni ) osaze sat outside his house

Ada Ivbi Edo !!!! Imose!!!!

Obalatule:
Bini is a Yoruba sub-group
Change my mind

you talk without any form of constructivity

I can't even argue baseless assumptions with anybody on how somebody we come down with chain from heaven or how he ran a marathon race all the way from mecca ( history done given in order to suppress the question on why are Yoruba becoming Muslims even when it was not their original practice )


Benin is far older than ife in all ways if you like bring your half scripted page

I have online Benin work to do so please stay bless

Obalatule:
Tao steady be schooling these Bini history frausters

Centuries had to pass before the 1970s when Bini Fraud-historians realised all of a sudden that Oduduwa came from bini

o boy no need to discuss with you

TAO11:
See question!

Where did you come from?

this is exactly my problem with you

you claim oduduwa is not from Benin then I ask where he is from

rather you are asking question to answer your question

how ironic!!!

OK am sure he is from mecca

TAO11:
While historians accepted his narration, they debunked the part which says Oduduwa is from Benin.

They maintained that such particular aspect of his narration is a fraud that was made-up in the 1970s.

And they affirmed the classical Benin account which simply sates that the Benin monarch was founded by the Ife-Yoruba subgroup.

Peace!

cc: Obalatule

then where did oduduwa come from?

TAO11:
Your playmates are waiting:

www.nairaland.com/attachments/12647307_img20200916212710_jpeg67fd5262a10290889c45f9b351a68fba

Cheers!

madam my problem with you is that love giving half story

Obalatule:
You are the definition of pain and insecurity, Bini is a Yoruba sub-tribe even your Oba acknowledged this publicly


Do you guys really need to always put yourselves through this painful trashing at the hands of the yorubas all the time?

Oga the oba of Benin didn't acknowledge anything of sought without also talking about how oduduwa came from Benin


stop deceiving the public with your half story syndrome

TAO11:
The statement attributed to a certain Alaafin along the lines that Oyo-Ile paid tributes (during some reign before his) to Benin is at best a misrepresentation by the reporter and for the following reason:

(1) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Oyo’s traditional oral literature (as well from its earliest written volume — circa.1700) which may be adduced to remotely substantiate such report.

Yet Oyo traditions admit in clear unequivocal terms that Oyo-Ile, in its early centuries, had to pay tributes to the now defunct kingdom of Owu-Ipole. Owu-Ipole for that matter.

The same Oyo traditions admit in unambiguous terms that Oyo-Ile only managed to survive military attacks from the Bariba and the and the Nupe among other disasters clearly admitted in its traditions.

(2) The demographic nature of the Oyo-Ile kingdom (as a frontier settlement up north amidst Bariba and Nupe frontier settlements) supports and agrees with these statements admitted in its tradition.

However, the same report fails to gel (no matter how far we stretch our imagination) with the respective demographic settings of the Oyo-Ile and Benin kingdoms.

It simply makes zero geographical sense that Benin kingdom (which did not obtain tributes from all the kingdoms lying to its west between itself and Oyo-Ile) somehow managed to do so from distant Oyo-Ile.

(3) There isn’t a single account from the vast corpus of Benin’s traditional oral and written literature which may be adduced to even faintly support such report.

As may be expected, the Benin traditions (written or oral) certainly would not have missed the “golden opportunity” of incorporating such an event of imperial nature into its corpus had it ever occurred even slightly.

(4) Similar examples of such proven misrepresentations may be found in reports from Benin.

One interesting example of this is Roupell’s report of statements supposedly from Benin officials along the lines that Benin knew nothing about bronze casting prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa.

This statement proves to be a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of an actual statement) when the contrary vast and overwhelming indigenous accounts of Benin are considered.

Moreover, dating techniques also place some (at least one of Benin bronze that I’m aware of to a date prior to the Portuguese’s arrival in Africa — thus also proving that this report is a misrepresentation (or at least an exaggeration of actual local statement).

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In the light of the foregoing considerations which outrightly uncovers such reports as an exaggeration (or at least a misrepresentation ) by the reporter, what then appears to have been the actual context supported by multiple independent reports is as follows:

During the wake of Oyo’s civil crisis (towards the end of its imperialism), Oyo did a number of military outsourcing to swell the size of its army in preparation for decisive engagements against a very large Ilorin army which comprises majorly of Oyo Islamic converts, Fulanis, and fugitive Hausa slaves.

The traditions of Oyo are extremely clear about such military outsourcings where it speaks of military allies from the Bariba country, as well as a report from Clapperton of effort to also outsource the Benin army for the same purposes. These outsourcing efforts as may be expected would not have come free of charge on a plater of gold.

In fact, at the the time of Oyo’s imperial rule, we read in Archibald Dalzel’s “The History of Dahomey, (1793)” that Oyo sometimes pays its allies to punish provincial rebellions on its behalf by military action and economic embargo.

An example of its payments to its “Lagos” ally in order to punish Badegree may be found on page 183 of the above-referenced material.

The King of “Lagos”, acting on behalf of Oyo (but not without payments), prevented the Badagrees from receiving food supply from “Lagos” while also taking many Badagrees as captives for its own use.

In the light of this background, payment to its allies for military engagement appears clearly to be the only explanation for the misrepresentation of the report.

This explanation gels with the fact of Oyo’s civil troubles which was prior to 1911.

This explanation gels with the pre-1911 Clapperton’s report on Oyo’s interest in enlisting its Benin allies among other allies to quell a large provincial rebellion.

This explanation gels with the absolute silence of such statements from the vast corpus of both Benin traditions and Oyo traditions.

Lastly, this explanation gels with the demographic absurdity consequent from the report.

Cheers!

cc: Balogunodua, babtoundey, DenreleDave, SaintBeehot, gomojam, scholes0, nisai, LegendHero, Newton85, macof, barbilius

I keep on laughing at your writeup sometimes

if are ask a simple question now you will start bringing half scripted page that suit your argument even when the truth is obvious


keep on deceiving yourself Tao11

gregyboy:
Nope that is one of her third dunce account

why are the Yoruba's that deceptive? always creating fake account everywhere to cause havoc online

or is this what Afonjalism bring?

gregyboy:
Yes her brothers confirmed it to me

OK her brother is omolofin?

TAO11:
They have started again oo.

Their small tribe syndrome seems to have kicked hard again oo.


Shall we debunk their delusions again or let it slide this time thus causing them to have something to kill their depressions from prior threads ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ?? ??

what do you mean by small tribe syndrome or you just want to spark up your usual baseless claim which I have always treated ?

gregyboy:
Drop it, drio everything you got we aren't coward I decided to stay clear
The moment you go silly, you would regret it bro

Someone just confirmed youre gay disgusting

is tao male

gregyboy:
Try it again bro

have gotten it

please guys I need help on this issue

yesterday I went to seek the help of international schooling program that help in assisting persons to study abroad but to my greatest surprise I was told that I can't read law in Canada because their government system is different

I don't really know what governmental studies I can be able to study in Canada please I need the advice from you guys

osanobua _______ God of creation ( osa" no" bu wa) the "no" means "that",the bu means create and the wa means us. the "bu" is always stressed when pronounced osanobuwa.

oghodua/oodua ____ God of prosperity (ogho "du" wa)

Akpamakpaye______ Trinity in creation ( akpama kp "aye") okpa ma ya kpa ye


Ayi ____ creator

oghodudu ______omniscience

Orhiole _______omnipotent

Udazi ________ omnipresent

oghene ________ owner of all creation

Ohisa _______ surprising God

ivbi Edo n uzomo wahia bu gi eduzola no khua, edenere ke gharee ikpedehan vbu k iweva vbu kpo.

wahia be vbe ne ghe khare!!!!

( greetings to all Precious children of Edo this Sunday and this day day being 6 of December.


greetings to you this hour.)



today will be looking at the some names of God in Benin language


firstly in Benin


Owugamwen_______ church

Ebenomwanren _______ bible

ohen_Osa _______pastor , priest etc

odibo_ Osa ______ angel

ovbi Osa _____ child of God

edibohien__,___ judgement day

izorhee ______ thanksgiving

Alaghodaro ____ progress

Esu ________ devil

Edubiemwen____birthday

igho ,_______ money

Obalatule:
This one has turned to low budget poet

Provide evidence of how Bini ruled over various tribes of Africa or shut your mouth and stop shouting Empire

my earlier reply to you was not talking about Benin as an empire

you focused on BENIN RULE OVER THIS PLACE that was why I said the answer you seek is on the map


then talking about Benin as an empire

I believe if there is any kingdom that should be called empire in Nigeria, it is Benin.

or do you think the empire of a think originated from Benin historians ?

TAO11:
And he has been exposed to be an impostor.

Is there any reason why you were unable to read that specific part of my comment??

Or are you awaiting some prize-money for deceiving yourself??

Historical knowledge ??

Please put up a screenshot of where he demonstrated such knowledge. I would love to see it.

The only time he said a thing close to history was when he admitted by implication that he hasn’t read a book (yes, not one book) on history.

So, I’d await how you reconcile such admission of his with your own statement here.

Well, you seem to have what may be called selective-seeing syndrome. LMAO!

Again, he is an impostor who fled upon exposing him.

How many times does this have to be re-written before you acknowledge seeing it??

I promise to re-write it multiple times if you would tell me how many re-writings would help you see it. I promise.

I could tell.

I could tell at least from your strong attraction to deceit and falsehood.

In any case, your posterboy has already been exposed to be an IMPOSTOR.

He loves to want to claim/prove that he is an Ijebu person at every opportunity he gets.

However, something changed when a real acid-test was put up for him to translate just two basic Ijebu words.

Not only was he unable to do so for about 48 hours now (and still counting).

Not only was he unable to find any member of his alleged Ijebu families to help him out.

Guess what, he FLED and avoided that specific discourse completely.

Note again: he loves to want to prove/claim that he is an Ijebu person at every opportunity he gets.

So tell me, would you have done something different if you were in his shoes??

Would you have fled if some Bini folks had requested you to prove yourself by speaking Edo or translating two Edo words??.

[I decided to write the foregoing in red, because of your selective-seeing syndrome. Let’s hope you see it this time].

OK thank you


today na Sunday how Lagos na?

TAO11:
Amazing! You’re such a great student of history. /s

May be he should also teach you about Benin kingdom from his wealth of historical knowledge. . /s

I know now you would reason properly and say — wELL, wHo sAiD hE iS qUaLiFiEd aS a HiStoRiAn? Lol.
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In any case, contrary to his impersonation all along, he is in fact not an Ijebu person.

He has been exposed. He couldn’t translate only two basic Ijebu words.

Neither could anyone from his alleged Ijebu family help him out.

Rather than prove himself as he loves to do at every opportunity he gets; he fled instead. Haha

So, don’t get too excited when anonymous liars do their job — i.e., lying.

Cheers!

OK I hear madam

I only said that because the guy you are talking about stated that he is an ijebu man and he also back it up with his historical knowledge

just discuss with him as a fellow westerner rather than letting tribal misunderstanding to bring insults on both end


I be Edo man 100% so I nor suppose involve myself for westerners issues

have a nice time


WA DOO !!!!

Abovebonny:
I really don't care my initial argument is that Benin is a kingdom not an empire.... the Yoruba kingdoms are also as such, kingdoms.

the thing is that truthfully I will agree with you on the empire issue looking what it takes to because an empire but if there is any kingdom that should be called an empire in Nigeria it's Benin kingdom

why do I say so____


Benin kingdom controlled many other tribes more than any other kingdom in Nigeria

2) in those area controlled it also control trade

3) even when most kings exist in their kingdom they still need the oba of Benin to give them the Eben sword and some the Ada sword depending how the case maybe.

OK let me ask you

do you know that most kings in Delta state come to Benin to study the lifestyle of the oba of Benin before they become king?

4) it was the longest Nigeria kingdom that was ruled by a central power and it lasted more than any other kingdom in Nigeria


these are some of the things it takes to be an empire

the only place Benin failed to become an empire was in large stretched land mass but even at that, early foreigners still describe it as an empire as seeing it achievements in the realm

Abovebonny:
I'm sorry but this is a gross misunderstanding of history, I have read both books and neither of them make reference to Igbo's being under the thumb of the Benin Kingdom.

Asaba lies on the West Bank of the Niger River, and is the largest Igbo town across the Niger.
This means that Asaba is close to the Benin boarder, yet they were never ruled by any Oba and remained an independent Igbo community.
Which part of Igboland did Benin rule? Enugu? Owerri? please talk with historical facts and stop making historically inaccurate claims.

I am aware of Igbo migrations into the Delta and Benin areas, but that is not what we are discussing.

SO Benin and The British Empire are on the same level in terms of empire? since you think size does not matter?
Before The British Empire do you think the small Kingdoms which existed in England were called empires?
The Kingdoms of Wessex, Mercia, Kent, Northumbria etc all existed within Britain at one time... even when all these kingdoms came together to form England, England was still a kingdom.
When England, Scotland, Wales & Ireland became one state, it was still referred to as the "United Kingdom" as it is today.
It wasn't until Britain conquered other nations such as: Nigeria, India, Australia, South Africa, Canada etc that it became THE BRITISH EMPIRE.... so yes size does matter!

Its very simple to understand, in Nigeria there existed small kingdoms such as Benin, Oyo, Nri, Hausa and so forth. The only empire to exist in Nigeria was the Sokoto Caliphate.


Controlling trade in an area does not make you an empire, the Arochukwu-confederation had a monopoly on trade in the east yet no educated person would consider them an empire.

There is no shame in being referred to as a kingdom, all major states and empires began as kingdoms. Benin is one of the kingdoms which make up the state of Nigeria, the same way Wales is one of 4 kingdoms which make up the United Kingdom.... very simple logic to understand.

you come online to make baseless argument

do you know that apart from even Asaba and onitsha there are Benin descendants as far as IMO state ? even up to rivers state

I know you will even argue this but don't worry I won't be surprise .

prove me wrong if you can that 95% of kings throne in Delta state were not influence by Benin kingdom thereby subjecting them to Benin kingdom.