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Obalatule:
lol.....provide evidence of Bini rulership over this places or crawl back to your Bini land cursed with eternal violence

the answer you seek is on the map you brought but if you can't understand it, then it will be a shame on your part

Abovebonny:
Look at the map again, left of Benin it says Yoruba and this represents the Oyo Kingdom which was clearly much larger & had greater influence. The Yorubas influence stretched as far west as Ghana, hence the Ga people who are directly related to the Yorubas.

The Yorubas engaged in far more conflict than Benin. Although Benin had a large army they never put it into action like the Hausas or Yorubas did. Even the Different Igbo tribes were constantly at war with their neighbours and with each other. Benin is very ancient yes, but not very formidable in terms of conquest.

Oga if you say Yoruba

they are many some Akure , Ekiti , Osogbo etc

but in all this you claim there has been nothing called Yoruba kingdom rather what we have is

Oyo kingdom Akure land ife land etc

unlike Benin which was united and operate one monarch system

talking about going to Dahomey for war or Ghana by Benin can't be compared to that of Oyo who is in close border land with those people

talking about Dahomey, it was fellow Yoruba's in Dahomey that Oyo people fought

talking about Ga of Ghana they were not associated to Yoruba through Oyo conquest but maybe by migration from one of Yoruba enclave.

even the said Ga can't be totally link to Yoruba because there are some opposing account that link them to Benin.

I know some will want to prove me wrong on the Ga Benin connection because of what a king said to ooni. But the opposing accounts also bring some viable history of tribes in both Dahomey and Ghana linking to Benin.

You will want to mention those Yoruba's in East Africa or maybe some further part of Africa , the thing is Apart from Dahomey Yoruba and maybe those close to the area of Dahomey the others were absolutely victim of slave trade who were move from one place ( especially Nigeria) to other parts of the world or how do you think the Yoruba's in Brazil got there ?

in method of ancient travel the Yoruba's victim of slave trade really have the Benin to thank for selling them in ancient days as slave which helped their tribe to spread.

in the map you brought look at it critically you will notice Benin covering Yoruba land especially ondo, Ekiti, Lagos and some parts of Ogun

I stand by my word that Yoruba ( if there is a single kingdom called Yoruba) never wage a war against any other tribe.

the only tribe they wage war against was Oyo kingdom waging against Fulani and Oyo lost the war


Benin emperiotic period started before Oyo but Oyo ended before Benin , it took the NO THANKS help of an international kingdom to bring Benin to and end

I think my last word will help you compare Oyo and Benin because there is nothing called Yoruba kingdom so when addressing it please be specific.

Etinosa12345:
He knows he's saying nonsense...
Maybe he just wants to entertain us

he is welcome to entertain constructively

Etinosa12345:
Indeed but... Why should we believe u?

Were u present in the year 900AD?

If u were, what's the difference in the language of the Benin in 900AD and the one of 2020?

my brother for that guy to say oronmiyan was at uselu makes his history wrong because there was no evidence or sign to prove that oronmiyan ever lived in uselu

tollyboy5:
I don't know actually ask your grandfather if you guys were slaves to the awujales lineage during the ijebu kingdom. If yes then possibly you might be from ife. Mind you the ijebu settle had three different migration legend.

I'm capitalizing on ijebu ode in order not to confuse things.
Your remo ancestors might not come from ijebu ode . but ijebu-epe is from ijebu-ode . we speak the same dialect not the remo varient type.

I just want you to know the real first migration of ijebu.
Not the later ones who came later .

this your history shows that the ifes were slave to the ijebus

Unclekayfarms:
Nothing fake here.

The Benin Oranmiyan , Eweka etc govern were no difference with their counterparts in Ife

the kingship system in ife was done by the binis

overtime Yoruba have always tried to copied the Benin system of monarchy but always end in failure because fake is always fake

Unclekayfarms:
The original Benin and Yoruba are the same

Oga keep quiet Benin has Benin existence even Before ife

Unclekayfarms:
Good. Well, mine is from Yoruba's account of the history of Benin which is d truth. You people can write yours

then write your history without mentioning Benin
it is obvious that Benin is Yoruba ingredient and without it they will die

the name of Benin was changed in history by successive ruler

during Igodo it was called igodomigodo

during orire it was changed to Ile ( the e sounds el more like a stressed air but that of ile_ ife sounds A like hay)

but the igodomigodo name still stick after orire past

the Ile ibinu word came to light around the 14 century cause it was the way itshekiri address Benin so when the Portuguese came they first met the itshekiri and they told the Portuguese that the land is Ile ibinu
because Benin was already establish and the itshekiri was not. so they were the one that brought the Portuguese to Benin


the word Edo came to light during oba ewuare1


The word Idu was a man who was the ancestral leader of the Benin people even before the igodo era this makes the ancestral shrine of the oba of Benin Erhinmwin_ Idu ( spirit of Idu) held by the isekhure of Benin ( ancestral son to Ihama of Benin). the oba is the embodiment of all Idu people

Unclekayfarms:
The problem of the highlighted is because you don't speak and understand the Yoruba language. A Bini that can speak Yoruba language will understand the differences.
Igodomigodo are the real native of Benin cities when Ogisos were rulling them but Ile Ibinu came when Yoruba migrated into Benin and they needed a leader because the Igodomigodo started oppressing them.
Earlier many Yorubas migrated to Igodomigodo because their businesses were viable there. Later the Yorubas in Benin informed the Ooni about the oppression and they now requested for a leader from Oba Olufon the then ooni of Ife. Oba Olufon gave them Oranmiyan, soldiers and arms to defend the Ife people in Igodomigodo.
Later Oranmiyan named his settlement ile ibinu to differentiate it from Igodomigodo but later Ubinu expanded and overshadowed Igodomigodo natives.

my God save this guy

he is high with drug

you have not been able to explain how the change of name turn the people from Benin to Yoruba

Etinosa12345:
Lol... The Guy is drunk... He believes that oranmiyan specifically kept Yorubas in one place for more than 1000 years with the sole aim of defending the Oba...
The funny thing is that there are no reports that supports his nonsense claims...

he is totally drunk

to everyone reading,

The name Edo came to light during the reign of Oba Ewuare 1 who was trying to repay a head servant of chief Ogieva Nomuekpo name Edo
who save his life while he was still a prince because his junior brother oba Uwaifiokun was chasing him to kill hence the act Edo shown to the prince was that of love ( so that makes the word " Edo" to mean love ) just like in the bible meaning of a name is done through the action that brought the subject to historical light.

Etinosa12345:
What is this one saying...

Goan read abt oba ewuakpe that was abandoned and attacked because he refused to obey the people... there was no Yoruba person to defend him till he hear word

If There were really Yoruba in Uselu to defend the oba... Pls tell us how they lost their language..

What proofs do u have

Etinosa1234 oba ewuakpe was never at Uselu after becoming an oba not to talk of defend despite his pride

the guy is saying rubbish

Unclekayfarms:
How can an Oba be overthrown when he has his people defending him in his settlement. Oba Oranmiyan of Bini started his ruling at Uselu and Egor and other Yoruba settlements in Benin before they become what they're today

my guy I did want to insult you since but I believe you are in hallucinations

so Usama palace is in Uselu?


you are lost please find your way back

Unclekayfarms:
All words cannot be in a dictionary that's almost 200 years old.
Ado is cultural in Yoruba. There's no Yoruba States that doesn't have Ado even is in Lagos.
The first Oba of Lagos was named Oba Ado simply he came from Ado.

Uselu is in Benin, Ondo Owo and Ekiti etc

No known origin for Ado but is more of a cultural thing.Anywhere Yoruba goes their culture follows.

please Etinosa1234, gregyboy don't reply this guy again

he is lost in history

Unclekayfarms:
Egor local government

Uselu

Yoruba street

Etc

Used to be Yoruba camps

Yoruba camp to do what ?

Yoruba street is a recent naming just like Lagos street in benin

your illusion will not work

if you want to talk about camp for war ........

then I will tell you that Yoruba never in history wage a war against another tribe except themselves the only war they wage against another tribe was Oyo against Fulani and they lost

Unclekayfarms:
Edo is originally Ado. Is from Yoruba words. Igodomigodo people cannot say d word Ado like d Yoruba does, they prefer to say Edo until this day.

All yorubas called the Edos "Ado" because is Ado that's meaningful

this really show you know nothing that relate to history

please research your direction

Unclekayfarms:
There was no Bini before Oranmiyan came to Benin it was Igodomigodo the Ogiso called their lands.
The whole Egor local government was Yoruba earlier settlement reach Uselu.

so Ogiego na your papa abi ?

Iken na your papa abi?


so as the name change the people and language come still change abi?

guy go learn history before you com online to disgrace yourself and your tribe


Yoruba pride nor go let them see road,

Etinosa12345:
The truth is that we'll have to correct the ones we can correct.. otherwise some people will still remain ignorant...

you are correct.

personally I believe the Yoruba's adopt some of our words just as we adopt some of their words which makes it a fair share


even just as the Igbo adopt some Edo and Yoruba words and both adopting Igbo words

these are what makes us unique as a people but some tribal bigot nor go let person heard word especially the Yoruba people

I don't see reason why one clown will come online to make nonsense rant.

Etinosa12345:
Its called omomo in Benin ... Not omo




I've never heard of ugbo used in Yoruba... Its always igbo

This is wrong... Erha is used as father in Edo not Yoruba



Iye and yeye are not the same that it can be corrupted
It could be that due to the influence of Benin in the eastern Yoruba states, that was how the word yeye entered the Yoruba vocabulary

In Igbo ,its called Onu


I don't know the meaning of the rest...

Cc: Etrusen

all this Yoruba people just sit down to compose rubbish

even if most of the word mean the same thing it only shows how African tribes are close either through trade or meeting for example can we now say Benin is from Igbo because "unu and Onu sounds alike" ?
or can we now say Yoruba's are from Hausa or Fulani because some word sounds alike in both tribe ?

if a Yoruba man a particular word is theirs I as an Edo man can also say that particular word is ours after all Ondo,Ekiti,Ogun,Lagos, and Osun were undeniably influence by Benin the only state this likely free from Benin is Oyo.

the only historical meeting between Benin and Oyo was at Otun ( Ekiti state) through Iyase Ekpenede.



Benin was undeniably in existence before even the Ekalederhan/ Oduduwa period which has caused historical spark between both tribe
can we now say Benin never had a language before this period? definitely NO.

it is undeniable that all tribes in Nigeria came across each other in history one way or the other that is why we have some similarities but you cannot just decide to say a particular word belong to your tribe because others used same word making them a descendant of your tribe.

language exchange among various Nigeria tribe
are among what transpired in ancient time so it is only a clouded tribal bigot that will come online to make baseless rant


my bro Etinosa1234 leave this one make he dey deceive himself.

i think this man speak only to get attention
who know if na him wan Carry out the coup

Abovebonny:
Oxford definition of "empire": a group of countries or states that are controlled by one ruler or government e.g. the Roman Empire.

Considering Benin's borders never extended beyond the Niger River, let alone outside of Nigeria's boarders, means that it does not qualify for empire status.

The Benin Kingdom was just that, a kingdom.

The map I've provided shows just how small Benin was, comparable in size and influence to the Nri kingdom.

Look at Mali, Songhai, Ghana & Akan these can be classified as empires as they fit the definition perfectly.

I still think The Benin Kingdom was a formidable and rich culture with deep spiritual and militaristic traditions, but they weren't an expansionist enterprise like the other larger west African empires.

Even Oyo, the largest Yoruba kingdom was far greater territorially than Benin.

Please stop overstating history because you have a bias towards a particular topic.

ok thank u bye bye



saying Oyo is more greater than benin and it never extended beyond it torritory is enough reason for me not to argue with you


the Oyo u claim can't be found in your own map where others are shown in west Africa you claim it to be great maybe by fighting against fellow Yoruba's in Dahomey and the Benin you claim is small is all over Yoruba land and Nri land not the migrants that fled Benin to a far location eg those far in Imo state and even Benin republic


you people keep comparing Oyo that only fought with fellow Yoruba's and couldn't unite the language to Benin. that only war Oyo fought against another tribe was the Fulani and they were defeated and you come here to make about it.


there is no difference between Yoruba and Igbo monarch were each community have entirely independent monarch.

valirex:
Beautiful thread, but ọma dẹ necessary ni main outsiders Ẹdonaze na?

sokpan oma kheke na ma orhiovbe Edo naze na ? = but____necessary____ outsider____

gregyboy:
We can use voice note to speak here and teach ourselves

If need be

emwenta ni khin

gregyboy:
Ise, ke wu we,
De ghe na we ukwu ewere vbe edo,
Afix edate yor ne ha,

Abuede yo = afix edate yor

wa ghi vbie se !!!!!(sleep well)


Ada ivbi Edo !!!!

visit this link if you want to know more on names and meaning in Benin



https://www.nairaland.com/6116841/edo-names-meaning

please note that the eh am referring to is just like El_kabir more like saying a stressed Air in English.

let's go into words and meaning in Edo language Note: there are some words that you cannot find it meaning in Edo for example some one can't just ask me to tell him the meaning of Sim card in Edo because it obvious that Sim card is a new generation development and if you find it meaning, it will either be that the person answering the question added the usual "E"= A letter to the beginning of the question asked. Eg = Esim card or the answer will be that which explain what Sim card is used for thereby making the answer a sentence or explanation rather than the normal simple word for it.


now let's begin

Danvbeho_____Listen

Egbe _____ family both "e" sounding as eh

Egbe _____ body both "e" sounding as A

Fian _____cut

Ebe ______ Book both e sounding as A

Ekpetiughe____television first and second e sounding as eh and the last sounds A

Ovbierhinmwin____ phone. the O sounds ho and e sounds eh

okehoho____ Aeroplane

Okoto___ motor. the last O sounds or

OKamen ____ ship

Egogo ____ clock

Iwina _____work

Ivin/ kokodia ____coconut

Owa _____ house

Ode ______ road. the e sounds eh


Laho_____ please

rhivbianmwen____ beg me

Evbare _food. both e sounds A


Ozeba ____ liability. the O sounds or the e sounds eh

Izee___ rice. both e sounds eh

Eze __ river both e sounds eh

okun ____ sea

Owee ____ broom. both e sounds eh

Isawewe ___ groundnut. the e sounds eh and note the last "we" is silent .

we will be looking on how to combine those letters to form word in Benin



EG

A=ha ____ Is one letter that always stand alone when trying to write or pronounce a word eg A___men(water), A___wee( fasting) note in this case the " ee" sound eeh and not "A".

in Benin there are some letter that can't stand on their own in some case eg "g","b" "m", "w". It is not as if they can't stand on their own in certain case but when dealing with word like Egberanmwen( good health) ( E"gb"Eran"mw"en)
for example the letters must stick together to make proper word.


another is that in Benin there are some letter that don't easily start a word but are found in between other letters


Another thing is that in Benin letter we have O one sound "ho" the other sound "or" so funny when you see some people writing for example
Osakpolor instead of Osakpolo, Edobor instead of Edobo, Ordion instead of Odion because the last in Osakpolo and Edobo already has the "or" sound hence writing it as Osakpolor makes it English.

now words from each letter are as follows

A___ Agbon(world), Akon( teeth), Aye(life) etc

I____ Igbina( fight), Ikeke ( bicycle) both "e" sounding as eh.

U__ Uvbi ( lady), Udian( tse _ tse fly ), Uhun(head).

Ada ivbi Edo !!!!

gregyboy:
Hmm fiqure it out maybe its an error on your part

ok bro am still on it