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Highcuerayte:
Read my post well I didn't support Jesus an Angel.

The path to enlightenment is for those with opened minds.
I am young,but I believe that God endowed me with an uncommon discerning spirit.
The current bible is a selective compilation of medieval texts put together by the roman catholic church in order to strengthen the influence of the catholic doctrine and enhance the papal authority through religion(you can check out the history of the roman emperor constantine),an example is the shifting of the sabbath from saturday to sunday.
Many books,texts and scrolls have been omitted from the bible(an example is the book of Enoch),so it is wrong to assume that all the events that happened during the biblical ages or all the heavenly mysteries are recorded in the bible.

Highcuerayte:
I will go no further to explain anything to you only know this Angels of all ranks can shape lift into human but you can't shape lift into angelic bodies.

Indeed,but some humans(enlightened in Christ) command powers that angels can only dream to wield.
Man is a trinity,he has a spirit,soul and body; Just like God.Angels only have spirit.

Highcuerayte:
If you can't comprehend my writings up there in regard to your questions then there is nothing I can do for you again.

A pity,you were proving to be quite interesting.
Just answer my questions straightly,or do you not have pre-conceived answers anymore? *mind tricks*

Highcuerayte:
duty wise but personality wise they are Sons of God. Yes or No?

You seems to be cutting Scriptures that address Angels as Sons of God. lol

Yeah,Angels are Sons of God.
However,when on earth,angels are subjects to human servants of God(they leave their office in heaven to descend into the terrestial realm as messangers or ministers of God),but when in heaven,angels and humans are on the same level as children of God.
Man(like Christ) can be both divine and human in nature i.e man has authority(seat) both in heaven and on earth,but angels are only divine in nature i.e angels only have office in heaven,but are diminished on earth.

[quote author=Highcuerayte post=393][/quote](1) You didnt respond to the pertinent question: do you believe the existence of "aliens"?(Do you believe that God made alternate life forms; perhaps in the "first earth" or other planets)
(2) True,perhaps Christ was speaking about "lifelong preservation of virginity" when he spoke of eunuch; however,the general church condemns abstinence from marriage as unbiblical(except for catholic priests and nuns).Do you think it is unbiblical?.
Also,while I accept homosexual tendencies as normal in modern society(I'm personnally very familiar with quite a number of them),what does your "first hand knowledge of God" say about it?.

(3) The bible speaks about a time of tribulations(whether it is pre- or post- rapture is currently being heavily debated by biblical scholars),then rapture of the spiritually enlightened will take place.However,some remnants will repent,prompting a second "coming of Christ",and the finally,judgement will take place.
Moreover,this generation?,how?

vooks:
What had this got to do with Jesus is my question. Is Jesus too the ' great Prince of Israel'?
For instance, David and Solomon were Kings in Israel. Does this make Michael a son of either?
Thinking is a privillege that should never be abused

lol,was Michael a human ruler in Israel?.
You obviously dont know what you are talking about.

vooks:
Because it is not recorded that he tempted nor doubted him.
Now young man, demons in the possessed clearly knew who Jesus was, the Son of God. So Satan must have known. Is this too much to process?

Do you think that everything that happened in the biblical era is recorded in the bible?,my brother,the current bible is not even complete.

Highcuerayte:
Angels are servants and sons of God. Christ was referred to as servant of God in the Bible, was it personal reference or duties reference? It is the Angels duties that makes them servants of God not their personality. If I may ask you one question, Are Christians servants of God or not?

Christians are indeed servants of God on earth,in terms of "duty reference",but are also children of God in spirit,in terms of "personnal reference".
However,angels are ministering spirits sent to guide and strengthen human servants of God in carrying out their spiritual duties.

Highcuerayte:
No lie my brother is of the Truth. 99% Truth and 1% lie is 100% lies.

Most factions of christiandom have their own elements of truthful doctrines.
Since you have so far failed to prove that Michael wasnt Jesus or Jesus is the only son of God,let me derail a little by asking you:
(1) What is your knowledge about extra-terrestial creatures and creation of planets,according to scriptural analogy.
(2) When Christ spoke about "eunuchs" in his explanation,was he justifying homosexual relationship?,didnt christ say even "eunuchs" will enter the kingdom of God(*ancient hebrews referred to feminine men or homosexuals as "eunuchs"
(3) Is there a difference between rapture and coming of christ,or are those two events one and the same?
(4) Answer 1,2 and 3

Highcuerayte:
Another sets of contradiction. Adam was like Jesus? Trust me bro the readers you are writing for knows more than you do and they know one day through Christ they will be equal to Angels . No point in quibbling over words you believing you are greater than Angels doesn't make you greater than them. Only The Trinity is greater than Angels and you holding that view is saying you are equal to God.

Angels are ministering spirits in the presence of the children of God,they are servants of those reborn in the light of Christ.It is written in the book of Hebrew.

Highcuerayte:
That my brother Is not a deal. Their mark Is on you brother. And you have to get rid of it.

What mark?,I was influenced into adventism by my parent anyway,however,not all their doctrines are completely misguided.

Highcuerayte:
Cain had sisters my brother. In fact Cain was not Adam first born. Gen 4:1 Eve said "I have gotten a man from God" meaning beforehand when they reproduced they only have daughters no son was given to them.But this time they got a son from the Lord.Moreover Gen 5:4 Adam thereafter beget sons and daughters again. And that my friend is where Cain got his wife.
But I don't see how the knowledge of the post adamite will help your faith or the reader's faith. So as the Scripture I should have nothing to do with senseless genealogies.

Your scriptural analysis is quite opaque.
Gen 1:27 said "So God created man in his own image,in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them".
There are two possibilities;
(1) God created a woman before eve,the woman was later exiled from the garden of Eden.
(2) Cain and Seth married their sisters,which is seen as an abomination before God.

vooks:
It is logical to conclude that such conclusions can only come from ret@rded mindsj

Am still waiting for proof that Jesus is Michael

Once again
Michael is a chief angel
Jesus is NOT an angel

If your read the OP,you would have seen my evidence from the book of Daniel.

[quote author=vooks post=39321164][/quote]How do you know that satan didnt tempt john the baptist?

[quote author=vooks post=39321164][/quote]Dan 12:1 referred to Michael as the "Great prince of israel".

vooks:
Men are also children of God, sons of you will. So, are they angels or are angels men?

Then it is logical to conclude that God has many sons,of which christ is his annointed firstborn.

Highcuerayte:
Adventist you say, unravel celestial mysteries. Brother I tell you in the name of God and the authority of Christ as the one of the two annointed that stands before the Lord of all the earth Adventist is a satanic movement emanated from the JW. They have the same purpose distracting people from Faith to Theology and Works of Law. I myself were an ex-adventist.If you are an elect of God you will sure be free from their bondage.I trust Christ from that.I questioned the same Adventist pastors on their teachings they could not give me answers rather they see me as someone condemning their teaching,an apostate.They had no answer to give in return then I remember the word of Christ ,"You shall know the truth and the truth shall set you free." I told them the Truth and they hated me for it. Those things they write for you in books are not Truth but Fables.
If you are an elect of God you will be freed one day.

I'm no more a dedicated adventist.

Highcuerayte:
Theological prowess? I get it, you think am going analytical or am being taught what am saying.FYI I am an annointed teacher of the Bible, young in age but not in the knowledge of God and my teachings are first hand knowledge of God.So my teachings may or will not agree with your theological ideas.

I have proved Lucifer is Satan and I have as well explain angels are sons of God like Christians are but not the Son of God like Christians are not and like you said,bring out scriptural evidences that contradicts my teachings .That being said, Adams and Eve were the only and first human being to ever live on the surface of the earth after the extinction of the pre-adamites that was destroyed in the Lucifer's flood. Such remains, there were no human being outside the garden of Eden.

Who then did Cain marry?,Cain had no sister as at the time he settled in Nod and took a wife.
Explain the post-adam geneology using your "first hand knowledge of God".

Highcuerayte:
You have scriptural evidence that contradict my teaching on nairaland you post them and stop quoting me unnecessarily lest I report you to the MOD and you will be dashed days ban.

There are many scriptural evidences that contradict your teachings.You havent proved that lucifer is satan or that angels arent THE sons of God.
Let me ask you this questions,I want to test your theological prowess: Were adam and eve really the first human beings on earth?,or were there other human beings outside the garden of eden?.

Highcuerayte:
Like I said they are foolishness to you and illogical as they were to the Jews when Jesus spoke of the Father to them.They had no idea the God of Abraham is a Trinity and they stumbled.But I pray you don't. And if you do may Christ you reject as God still help you stand.
Do try and get rid of those gibberish you are taught.

I do not reject Christ as God; I believe in the trinity.
However,we must understand certain factors of the scriptures; one of the things that makes me subscribe to the adventist movement is their zeal to unravel celestial mysteries.
Let us seek enlightenment.

Highcuerayte:
You have no idea what the Word of God is and the knowledge it holds.Until you let go off the gibberish you are taught you will not understand a thing in the Bible.

Everything I wrote there are first hand knowledge from the Bible. You don't understand a thing in it you ask question.But as it is you don't have a learning mind but an arguing and debating mind but I don't argue on the Scripture people here know me for that. And since you are bent on arguing I say good bye. You can quote me when you have questions to ask.

Oh no,dont get me wrong.While I may disagree with you on various matters of celestial significance,you are very welcome to air your own opinions or belief on this thread.
Your posts are fast proving to be undisputed sources of amusement,as well as cautious enlightenment.

mayorall:
There are kings and there is King. Jesus is God's only begotten son. according to John 3:16.

There are sons and there is a Son.

"There are sons and there is a Son": how does this make any sense?

Highcuerayte:
And that is the foolishness that makes the Jew and the Greeks stumble. You figure what that means out.
And for the record I didn't say "Sons" I said "A son" and "The Son"
What makes the Jew want to stone Jesus when he said he is the Son of God? You think they would have stoned him if he said he is a son of God? I tell you No. "The" makes the difference. "The Son of God " is not a title,it's a name only God bears.
Like I said throw away the gibberish you are taught and learn the Truth.

"The Son of God" is a name only God bears?,how can God be his own son?,how can any entity be a son of himself?.
While I greatly applaud your ill-rehearsed cocoyam theories,I can hardly figure out any iota of logic from your post.

Highcuerayte:
I put up Scripture references already so you go and read them.
Lucifer was then an angel of God,an Archangel to be precise.He ruled as King in the then world which recreated by God is now our planet earth.His name then was Lucifer.He decide to Ascend to heaven in the far north where God dwell but he failed because no Angel can Ascend up only God can Ascend and Descend.So when he failed he host up his angels for a showdown with God but was defeated and his Kingdom which was the world before our recreated world was destroyed by flood of water and God cause Sun to cease giving lights which is what you see in the second verse of Genesis. When defeated he became Satan by name.

I must commend your flair for theatrical comedy and fictional sci-fi.However,we are here to discuss scriptural intricasies,not quantum metaphysics or phylosophical parapsycology.
Defend your dramatic tale about kings ascending northern mountains and careening off southern cliffs with the scripture.

Highcuerayte:
Angels are sons of God Jesus is the Son of God. Two different entities.

This is the most ridiculous arguement I have heard for quite a while now,how is "son" different from "sons"?,isnt "sons" the plural of "son"?: how can angels who are "sons of God" be different from Jesus who is the "son of God"?,arent they all sons of God?.

Highcuerayte:
Throw away the gibberish you are taught. Lucifer is an Angel both Ezekiel and Isaiah spoke of it like that.

Who told you lucifer is satan?,explain by using scriptural reference.

[quote author=vooks post=39316377][/quote]I have made these points before,but let me reiterate them,
(1) In the book of Daniel,Michael was referred to as the "great prince of isreal"; however,Isaiah called Jesus{in his prophesy} the "prince of israel".Can Israel have two princes?
(2) Revelation referred to "Michael and his angels",however God is called the "Lord of host".Can the heavenly host have two commanders?
(3) Daniel called Michael "one of the chief princes" and illustrated Michael liberating an angel of God from a deadlock with the "prince of the kingdom of persia"(satan) who had withstood the angel for 21 days.
(4) Jude called Michael "the archangel",meaning; chief(ruler) of angels.However,Jesus was described as being worshipped by angels in the book of Hebrew.
(5) Satan challenged Jesus to throw himself down from a tall mountain "if he was truly the son of God",why would satan doubt the position of christ in the celestial arrangement?

vooks:
Young man, read your bible.
Job 1:6 (KJV)
Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan came also among them.
Satan with sons of God
Revelation 12:9 (KJV)
And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
'....and his angels...'
Matthew 25:41 (KJV)
Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels:
'...the devil and his angels...'
You want it written in Yoruba for you?
We have clear evidence Jesus is not an angel
We have evidence Michael is a chief angel
We use our brains to conclude that Jesus is not Michael

Where did the bible say satan is himself an angel?,give me the scriptural reference: its theological deduction.
God is the 'lord of host',is God an angel?

mayorall:
My brother. Revelation 12vs 7 after Jesus Christ resurrection.


And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels.
At least we've known Jesus by this time.

That is what i'm talking about.

vooks:
Because we are told Jesus is not an angel and because NOWHERE is Jesus called Michael except in your imagination. Fortunately we follow scriptures not hallucinations

Neither were we told that satan was an angel,yet we deduce through theoretical analysis.
Everything about the celestial world is not written in the bible,but we are meant to unravel the mysteries of the kingdom of God.

khassy:
We'll talk when you get back Thanks

Kk,tanx.

vooks:
What are you smoking Negro? Archangel is chief angel
Who told you Michael is the Son of God is Jesus ?

what are you sniffing? who told you Michael wasnt Jesus?