₦airaland Forum

WARTHUNDER:
Free public show April 2019, it was fun that day in Kaduna, army weapons display. I dont know if same pics are on other pages here.

Methinks arguments on Army budget is simple case. Low funds VS Enough funds. Lets agree to disagree like someone said. Methinks with published data from FGovt. Min. Budg & Nat. Pln budget office and Army HQ.

NA lost golden chance in oil boom era 2004 till 2013 when clever OPEC pushed full army modernization while Nigerian army wasted its share, army alone capital procurement budget inc. grants hit $4 billion. Phase 2015 till 2019 another MBNP $3 billion capital budget paid army alone. NA didnt shop right with $7 billion 2003 till 2019, Fed. & Legist. will need real convincing to dish out heavy again, fear of wrong shopping.

For 2019 Army COAS asked Govt. for capital procurement budget $250 million but Fed. MBNP gave $120 million. MBNP blames scanty unclear purpose because Army dont give detail of what it can use to fully finally finish job in N.E, it's asking for same things MBNP paid NAF to buy, not so convincing in this scarce dollar days. Please can anybody help them out to plead their case well?

The military arms should have dedicated secretaries that will liaise with MBNP and the legislature on such matters. Infact,the army should be ready to go in front of the National Assembly to paint a dire picture of the war, subtly hint at the rise of external threats and outline a feasible comprehensive wishlist, that is how militaries get funding in democratic settings.

A situation where we have Generals clamoring for helicopters to be parked beside trenches(trenches!,we are still digging trenches at this stage), it clearly shows that someone somewhere is clueless.

rka2:
There have just been too many false Dawns. National assembly members nearly had coronaries with the Super Tucano purchase, what do you think would happen to them if they used excess crude 'oyel' account for the Russian purchases

Probably they will all keel over their parliamentary seats and die of cardiac arrest

However, we know that even if that was done, there is no coherent blueprint for military procurements. We have had billions of dollars released for procurements over the past decade, but nothing tangible has been achieved.

Military purchases in Nigeria is a lucrative enterprise for politicians, generals, profiteers and middle men who have zero care for national defense needs. Truly sad state of affairs. Those in power must learn to be criminal, but not at the detriment of the state.

rka2:
Oh boy, make una come see o!

"Nigeria discusses with Russia the possibility to purchase its Su-57 fighters and is also interested in Russian helicopters, tanks and intelligence equipment, Steve Davies Ugbah said.

"You also mentioned Su-57 fighters, negotiations are also underway on them. But sanctions against Russia do not help this cause, as you can imagine. Russia is a reliable partner that always fulfills its obligations," Ugbah said."

https://sputniknews.com/world/201910111077019504-nigeria-has-received-6-russian-mi-35m-helicopters-expects-6-remaining---ambassador/

SU-57 with which budget and under what agreement? When just three JF-17s from Pakistan is taking eternity to arrive due to budget limitations and unseriousness. I want to believe this is just Russian propaganda to drive the notion that many countries are now getting interested in the SU-57, or otherwise, a slip of tongue by our Prof Ugbah

No be only SU-57, why not typhoon?

WARTHUNDER:
I dont understand because Buhari said this exact same thing 4 years ago, but we saw only Mi-35. Why cant Govt publish this draft list so we see how our money is spent? Every kobo on weapons is painful but needful sacrifice by 100 million extreme poverty hungry Nigerians who stay suffering as we remove funds from jobs-micro business creation to war. Good news Russia.

Hence,why we are being hopeful that maybe this time,something will come out of the deal. At least, if the Russian sources are to be believed.

Officially, Nigeria is not at war, but we all know the realities on ground. I believe the right thing to do at this stage is to borrow West, buy East and look inwards. Like you said, we can't continue this way; for the past ten years we have been budgeting huge sums for arms procurements without seeming to know what we are buying or even how to arm our military. I hope both the government and the brass sit up very soon.

BabaOwen:
President Muhammadu Buhari has looked to Russian President, Vladimir Putin, for much needed military support to combat the resurgent Boko Haram terrorists in the North-East.
Citing a report on Kremlin’s RIA news agency, Reuterssaid PMB will sign a Military Technical Cooperation deal with the eastern European state in the Russian town of Sochi before the end of October.
Nigeria’s ambassador in Russia, Stephen Ogbah, said, “We’re sure that with Russian help we’ll manage to crush Boko Haram given its experience combating Islamic State in Syria.”
The Buhari administration had in 2018 paid $496m for the purchase of some Tucano jets from the United States, which it said would be delivered in 2020.
According to Ogbah, Nigeria is interested in buying Russian helicopters, planes, tanks and other military equipment, adding that a draft version of the deal had already been finalised.
He added, “We hope President Buhari can take the talks to their logical end. The agreement will open new possibilities in such areas as the supply of military equipment and training for specialists.”
http://saharareporters.com/2019/10/11/buhari-turns-russia-combat-boko-haram?

Hopefully, it would be a comprehensive package over a specified period of time. The Russians are very flexible people we can work with.

Carmit:
Sir... I believe you don't know much about the science of automobile designs...you think all you have to do is sketch it out and voila your design is ready?

That's another aspect of production fam.

Aerodynamics are taken in consideration... Man....its a lot more complicated than you think...

And I've said this on nairaland before.. The owner of Innoson is just being lazy for not being innovative but you can't take it away from him that his company produces vehicles....its good for our military whether you like it or not... And not all parts are imported SIR!

You sound like an exasperated sergeant who just can't believe how dumb his superior is with all these your "sir".

I get your point, and in actually fact, I agree with you that Innoson is very lazy. Getting original designs is a preliminary step and it is one of the easiest in automobile manufacturing. Especially with these civilian vehicles. However,on the producing of cars aspect, well, depends on what you mean by "producing". What I know of Innoson is that, apart from the elementary panel beating of the body and production of the seats and carpets, all the rest are imported and assembled.

Carmit:
Off Topic

Made In Nigeria vehicles (Innoson)

The designs are unoriginal. All the parts are imported. The company should look beyond playing the made in Nigeria card.

Any bored Nigerian adolescent with a pencil and a heap of sweets can map out an original vehicle design. I wonder why Innoson can't.

blacKDalia:
You are simply deflecting from the main subject which is Nigeria. I'm not concerned about what is happening in these countries you mentioned but they are economically better than us. An example of a fantastic corruption is the ONSA using the north east insurgency as a front to fund the PDP campaign and also enrich individuals. The north east insurgency has been and is still a cash cow for the military top brass. In these countries you mentioned I doubt if all these happenings will go unpunished. I agree that Dasuki has been taking to court but four years after, no conviction, nothing,you know why? Make a guess. Some of them in a different North East insurgency heist, where given just a slap on the wrist and told to return just a little from the much they have stolen. Recently 3 military boys absconded with millions of naira they were supposedly escorting for a major general, where did he get the money from? Did I hear you say he is being court marshalled. Na paddy paddy go kill that case, because they all are in the same league. I will scoff at your idea that "Nigerians exhibit too much hysteria tinged with inferiority complex", or whatever you will like to call it next time. And in all these, young men are being unnecessarily killed in the North East without any one batting an eyelid. Mtcheeeeew.

Let me foreclose further comments on this issue by submitting that Nigeria's problem is more of poverty than corruption. If we are generating revenues to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars every year, the theft of a few billions will hardly be noticed, and the effect on national development would be very limited, that is why big countries can get away with such massive corruption and financial waste. Even if a kobo is not stolen from our current budget, it is still grossly inadequate to cater for us as a nation.


It is almost impossible to practice Constitutional Republican form of democracy without corruption.

GabrielYulaw:
You are talking nonsense. In fact I feel like giving you a solid knock on the head. Let me ask, when have you ever gone to a public official in Nigeria and obtained what you needed without paying bribe?

Like 2 years ago I went to immigration office Awka and paid over 30k for international passport. At that time the official cost of the passport was 15k. Has things changed today? Of course not!

I don't know why you feel like lying to yourself, but the truth remains that all of us are wildly and irremediably corrupt. Corruption is in our DNA. We will lie and cheat our fellows and then blame the government for corruption.

Go to any public office in Nigeria and see how they pray with gusto in the morning. Once prayers are done there is no way you can get what you require without dropping something. You must drop something at the hospital, at the train station to buy ticket, at the stadium to buy ticket and to the force men if you don't want to be unduly delayed. We are not fantastically corrupt. Instead, we are very very fantastically corrupt and that will kill us one day.

The countries you mentioned cannot be compared with Nigeria. There, corruption is more hidden and more punished. There is no way a sitting governor in India, US, Russia and Saudi Arabia can be shown on TV taking bribe and nothing happens.

This has nothing to do with inferiority complex. I'm just stating the facts as I see it.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you believe that corruption in those other aforementioned countries is more "hidden and punished" than in Nigeria. Is it hidden in Saudi Arabia where each of the over 15,000 princes is entitled to a monthly stipend ranging from $30,000 to $350,000, plus other allowances such as "palace allowance"?, the Al-Saud family alone is worth an estimated $1.4 trillion, and it all comes from the Saudi treasury. Is it hidden in Russia where an estimated $20 billion was laundered to several banks in the U.K, Moldova and Latvia in the notorious "laundromat" scandal between 2010 and 2014?, a case that implicated Igor Putin, a cousin to the Russian President, Vladimir Putin. Yet till today, nothing has happened. Is it hidden in the U.S where billions of dollars are donated every year by "lobbyists" to top government officials for favours and contracts?, A country where, till today, they can't account for the over $1 trillion spent on the F-35 stealth fighter project. Let me not even talk about India, Brazil and co. How much is the entire Nigerian budget compared to these figures?.


You think because we have these corruption scandals here and there(many of which are even unfounded and politically motivated), then Nigeria has it worse than all other countries of the world?. You need to see beyond emotions, it has clearly affected your sense of self worth.

Corruption is in our DNA? really?.

GabrielYulaw:
First, is not Nigeria very fantastically corrupt? Yes, we are all corrupt and delight in cheating each other. That is precisely why Nigeria is a shithole. Lie to yourself all you like, you and I know what's up.

Secondly, is it only Britain that sells arms? That AK 47 that forms the bulk of our standard arms na from Britain we buy am? Don't the Russians, Chinese, North Koreans, Egyptians, South Africans and more sell arms? Why the unending fixation of buying arms from Britain or the US and getting these denied and then pointing to the denial as the reason why we were unable to win the war? That is nonsensical and childish.

Thirdly, Nigeria never allows foreign intervention? So, the Chadians gallivanting all over the north east are what? How many times of recent has Cameroon come into Nigerian territory, killed her people and burned down their houses and the government sat silent?

Fourthly, who told you that the Jonathan government was serious about anything except enriching itself? Was it not this same government that turned blind ears to the entreaties of the Chibok parents and manhandled them when they dared to protest. Was it not this same government that denied and denied that any girl was abducted from Chibok till it couldn't deny anymore?

Leave emotions and face facts. We will all be better for it.

I will not be drawn into the futile cycle of arguments that has pervaded this thread over the past few pages, I have so far tried very much to abstain from it.

Nigeria is "fantastically corrupt", how much is stolen from Nigeria's treasury compared to Saudi Arabia(where the state coffers is more or less the property of the Al-Saud dynasty), or India where corruption has become a holocaust, or Russia that is a classic example of plutocracy and cronyism, or even the US where corruption is state sanctioned in form of "lobbying" and national policies are scripted by big corporations?. Oh, I am not in any way saying that corruption is not deeply rooted in the Nigerian society,but we make it seem as if we have it worse than all other countries of the world,when in fact, we are doing fairly well when you take into consideration our meagre fiscal revenue and the cumbersome form of governance (presidential with a bicameral legislature) we are currently practicing.

I am of the opinion that Nigerians exhibit too much hysteria tinged with inferiority complex on issues that certainly don't warrant such. The fact that David Cameron called Nigeria fantastically corrupt doesn't mean we are fantastically corrupt, at least if we are to go by the dictionary meaning of "fantastically".

Before coming to conclusions, we should always bear in mind that there are informations we are not privy to,which usually influences the decisions of the government. In the days of President Yar'adua, Prime Minister Gordon Brown offered Nigeria a weapons deal worth $350 million in order to "secure the Niger Delta region" from militancy. Yar'adua attended the meeting in Downing Street, drank tea, smiled politely and nodded his head as Brown chattered endlessly about the British "special package" of military hardwares. He left the meeting and came back to Nigeria to offer the militants an amnesty programme, discarding British advice of escalating the war against the militants. Today, we have managed to pacify the Niger Delta region(at a negligible cost). In truth, Gordon Brown only cared about oil in the region and was willing to supply as much weapons as was needed to support British and American interests. If Yar'adua had towed the line of sustaining the conflict, we'd still be at war with MEND and other groups till today, and many Nigerians from that region would be displaced. In that instance, Brown will say Nigeria rejected British help.

I will be the first to agree that Jonathan didn't handle the BH crisis well and corruption was quite pervasive during his administration, however, in this case, Cameron is simply playing to the gallery for his own reasons.

seankafor:
why is the northern part of this country synonymous with poverty,illiteracy, violence and terrorism?

Perhaps the word "synonymous to" is not correct within the context of your statement. Afterall, these same anomalies exist in the East, West and South too. Can we say the East is synonymous to kidnapping and human trafficking?, or that the South is synonymous to militancy?.

I assume you are talking about the prevalence of these issues, and I think it's due to:

1. Population: The North easily account for almost 50% of our total population. When such a large population has to compete for meagre resources, it is bound to create inequality,which leads to social vices.


2. Religious dogma/extremism: Majority of northerners are Muslims,and we know that these middle eastern religions(Christianity, Judaism and Islam) accommodates a lot of violence from the dictates of their archaic texts, especially in the case of Islam. These interpretations of scriptures have given rise to a behemoth proportion of religious extremism, aided by the fact that western education is usually suppressed in favour of quranic education.

3. Oppression by the political class: Of course, politics is a game of numbers, and a large poor illiterate population serves as an exquisite well of voters to draw upon during elections. People who can be easily manipulated based on religious or tribal bearings. In recent years though, Northern states have begun to massively invest in education, however, the interest of the people in westernized form of education remains low. Mainly because of religion and culture.

BabaOwen:
David Cameron: We located some Chibok schoolgirls but Jonathan didn’t allow us rescue them

David Cameron, former British prime minister, has alleged that ex-President Goodluck Jonathan did not give enough support to Britain during the abduction of 274 schoolgirls in Chibok, Borno state.

The abduction, which took place on April 14 2014, had sparked a global outrage following which the international community offered to assist Nigeria.

In For The Record, his memoir, Cameron, who was in office at the time of the incident, said British troops traced the location of some of the victims and offered to help but Jonathan refused.

“Iraq wasn’t the only place we would need our military to counter this extremist menace. Boko Haram in Nigeria was linked to al-Qaeda, and believed Western education and lifestyles were a sin (the meaning behind its name). It too wanted to institute a caliphate, and like ISIS it would use whatever barbaric means it thought necessary,”Cameron wrote.

“In early 2014 a group of its fighters centered the government secondary school in the village of Chibok, seizing 276 teenage girls. They were taken to camps deep in the forest. The Christians among them were forced to convert to Islam. Many were sold as slaves, entering the same endless violent nightmare the Yazidi women suffered.

“As ‘Bring Back Our Girls’ campaign spread across the world, we embedded a team of military and intelligence experts in Nigeria, and sent spy planes and Tornadoes with thermal imaging to search for the missing girls. And, amazingly, from the skies above a forest three times the size of Wales, we managed to locate some of them.


Cameron said he expected Jonathan to handle the Chibok issue better

“But Nigeria’s president, Goodluck Jonathan, seemed to be asleep at the wheel. When he eventually made a statement, it was to accuse the campaigners of politicising the tragedy. And absolutely crucially, when we offered to help rescue the girls we had located, he refused.”

TheCable sent messages to Ikechukwu Eze, spokesman of Jonathan, seeking his reaction to Cameron’s claim but he had not responded as of the time this report was filed.

Cameron also said the Nigerian army was unable to participate in operations the US and UK forces organised for the rescue of Chibok schoolgirls because of “politically appointed generals”.

The ex-British prime minister wrote on how the Archbishop of Canterbury was contacted to assist during the intervention in Nigeria.

“We had to play the long game focusing on a much bigger training effort for the Nigerian military and intelligence forces and trying to promote more energetic leaders from the younger generation. The Archbishop of Canterbury, as an expert on Nigeria, could be particularly useful on this and I invited him to join our NSC discussion,” he wrote.

“Some of the girls have managed to escape over the following four years, and others have been released, but over a hundred are still missing. Once again. the combination of lslamist extremism and bad governance proved fatal.

“How did I feel about all this at the end of 2014? The answer is, depressed. ISIS now occupied an area larger than Britain. A similar brand of terrorism was being wrought by Boko Harem in west Africa), another ISIS affiliate in north Africa, and by al-Shabab (‘the youth) in east Africa, while related groups were springing up in the Philippines, Bangladesh, Afghanistan and the Caucasus. There seemed to be no stopping an evil ideology that seduced minds from the badlands of Syt’tato bedrooms in Birmingham. When I spoke about the challenge publicly I tried to remain measured and resolute. But privately did asked myself, would we ever be able to defeat this thing?

A total of 112 Chibok schoolgirls have remained unaccounted for. The government of President Muhammadu Buhari secured the release of more than 100 while 57 managed to escape.

Source: https://www.thecable.ng/david-cameron-we-located-some-chibok-schoolgirls-but-jonathan-didnt-allow-us-rescue-them/amp

You wanted to rescue the girls, yet when we needed weapons at the height of the insurgency to do the exact same thing, you refused to offer us any deal. Isn't it funny how Cameron didn't consult the Nigerian government before invading our airspace with spy planes and "tornadoes" with thermal imaging, yet was very quick to publish this condescending account after the fact?.

What serious sovereign government will allow a unilateral commando-style rescue mission within it's territory without some form of pre-determined cooperation?.

Cameron's foreign policy was worse than Obama's, especially as it affects Africa. Isn't it this same man that was under investigation for misleading the British Parliament to support military strikes against the Gadaffi and destabilizing Libya, despite the fact that there wasn't enough motive(on the Libyan side) to warrant such aggression?.

According to Jonathan, Nigeria actually authorised a secret operation which saw British SBS and Israeli intelligence, along with Nigerian military SFs rescuing some foreign hostages captured by BH in 2013. This was going against Nigeria's norms of never allowing foreign intervention within it's territory. Does that sound like a government that rejected help?.

One would suspect that this British wathog really enjoys doling out condescending remarks and insultive actions against Nigeria; from treating the then opposition Presidential candidate, Muhammadu Buhari, as a head of state even before the 2015 elections, to continously snubbing the Jonathan administration,and then later referring to Nigeria as "fantastically corrupt".

I am definitely not a fan of the Jonathan administration when it comes to the way he managed the BH insurgency in the earlier days,and the whole corruption issue. However, these statements are an affront to Nigeria, and I am Nigerian above all else. Such blue lies are intolerable.

lionel4power:
What I'm I still doing on this forum arguing with17 year olds.

My most junior kid brother is a medical doctor.

Hahahah...


Anyway... It appears that Nigerian satellites provided recon imagery to Mali during the coup.

But really,it isn't about age,so far as the second party possess a passable level of maturity and intellect. I have had very engaging and cerebral social media chats with a 16 year old, a 17 year old and a couple of 18 year olds. Heck, when I was that age,I wasn't dumb either.

We have 35 years old babies here, I am sure your mind can pinpoint a few.

That guy is an ardent enthusiast and he contributes meaningfully to this thread, I think you should give him some respect.

mekussa:
Ezugwu MRAP made by DICON.
Hope it functions better than it looks

Is that a MRAP or an electric transformer?

Prospect048:
yes and at the cafe was told that it is how they programmed it.

That's the verdict I got too. Thanks anyway.

KennethNnolim:
The issue is with the reference from. If you're using chrome on your phone, change the paper size to "foolscap" then you can download to print later.

Alright,thanks buddy.

Prospect048:
still d same sef

Is it the same for you??

ugo4u:
Goto a cyber cafe to do the print outs. They should print directly from army site and not from a flash, phone etc

I did so, used both my PC and cyber cafe's system, but still couldn't get it to change.

Yours were in single pages?.

Lukas47:
If you are browsing with a phone use Google Chrome but if the issue is with Google Chrome Just change the paper size

I tried both, still couldn't get it on a single page.

Changing paper size worked for you?.

Good afternoon guys, I am trying to print out the docs, but some of them are cutting into two pages instead of one,even on the pdf, is it normal or is there a problem with how I downloaded the files?.

@ugo4u et al

Odunayaw:
Sun Tzu says It is only one who is thoroughly acquainted with the evils of war that can thoroughly understand the profitable way of carrying it on.

"It is only one thoroughly acquainted"...
All you made are salient points but I regard them as ripple effect of chaos. Order>>Chaos>>Order >> ∞
From your opinion, its basically the phoenix rising from the ashes. Now, my question is about the "ashes". Does this " ashes" know what'd come out of it by and by?

Alright, I get your point. Though I still disagree with Sun Tzu in the previously quoted context.

However,to address your question, I,like you, don't believe that this war was cooked up and is being sustained to benefit the government or people in itself.

Covert1:
As much as I hate to say it something which no one wants to say but the intelligence desk across board in the services and I think must have also crossed some minds or is somewhere in the minds of policy makers, political and military leaders, local community stakeholders and traditional rulers, though at the end of the day it's still the call of the sitting president and I don't know which president would want that to be his legacy but maybe it might just be time to start considering talks with any element or at least moderate elements of Boko Haram to cease hostilities and find some way to live in peace even if it means creating for them a "living space". Yes, I know someone is screaming "give jihadists a living space?". And the downturn is not good because we might just go from Boko Yusuf to Boko Shekau to ISWAP to a monster we know not, but there are many options that can be put up for negotiations that allows for peace to reign and this shouldn't be only for Nigeria but the whole world suffering terrorism for which we could be a model. At least most of these guys are Nigerians like us which is one engine that drives the bitter fight. Because as it is I see no end in sight for the foreseeable future except we are ready to go through another 2 to 3 presidents and who knows still end up here whilst many state and non-state actors continue to benefit from this bitter war that has taken the lives of very fine young officers and soldiers. No doubt this is our own Vietnam and except we consider this course of action then no other choice than to roll out everything and officially declare war, start using napalm to destroy whole villages and towns and roll out the big guns and bombs including banned weapons. Except drastic measures are taken we may just continue to send young men to chase ghosts they can't see fighting us in a classical insurgency warfare that almost every other big power has lost. Nothing being done now that hasn't been done before which they know. Ideas can help.

You actually made some sense.

I have thought about this idea too. Creating what you call a "living space". This could work if we are able to come to an agreement with moderate elements of BH, perhaps if they could transform into an islamist political party and participate in government, if there can be a shift from radical theology to political theology, what better way to fight an idealogy than through another ideology?. Afterall, we know that they have support of the local populace in some places, and as long as they continue to enjoy such sympathy, this war will get more complicated.

However, we also know that these people are not afraid of death, they are only too happy to embrace it and get the heavenly reward promised by their clerics. I reckon it'd be difficult to convince them to forfiet the promise of a harem of heavenly virgins in exchange for corruptible earthly power. You can never win over a people that have been so adversely indoctrinated.

We also have the problem of sociopolitical implications on the nation as a whole. How will the rest of the country interprete such a move?, Such an action will breath life into the grand conspiracies that have been trailing this war since it's inception. As a government, of what profit would it be to gain a section of the country and lose the larger whole?. What if others starts clamoring for the same treatment?.

So I don't think that would be a solution for such a country as Nigeria.

Odunayaw:
The nation in Sun Tzu's theory is the Government - people.
Whoever benefits from a prolonged war is definitely not part of the government.

hope you catch my drift

I have modified my previous post to capture this. I still disagree. Read my reasons.

Odunayaw:
Show me in those spheres

N.B Not at once tho, you cab take your time.


When you read that the Rhodies had to literally " count " their bullets when in contact with the enemies and still racked up a reputation you'd instantly want to break everyone's head

When I talk about profiteering, I mean all the funds and aids budgeted for military procurements, resettlements of displaced persons, eradication of diseases, and so on. A huge chunk of which end up in the hands of corrupt state actors.

Another angle is the possibilities of active sponsorship from state actors who suscribe to radical islamist ideals, people who may actually gain power in a new theocratic order of government.

Modified: To counter Sun Tzu's position on the efficacy of wars as tools for national development; constant conflicts and rivalry between European powers led to the renaissance of Europe in the 14th century and the industrial revolution that saw the rise of military and technological powers in the continent. A large part of technological advancements(which we now enjoy today) were driven by those years of conflicts.

Furthermore, the sustained flux of wars was a galvanizing factor for the democratization of European nations from unstable Aristocratic governments (monarchies) to Constitutional Republics. This can be said to have come to a head within the context of the European balance of power(the political agreement between Austria, Britain, France and Germany), the League of nations and now, the United Nations.

Wars have been fought in the quest for independence and emancipation. This is seen in the context of the black emancipation movements that fought to eradicate slavery, amongst a few.

Of course, there will be loss of lives, economic instability and massive scale destruction during the course of war, but there are cases where it benefits the people eventually.

Odunayaw:
Instead, I'd like one to show me the realities. Who is benefitting, what is the end game, how are they benefitting

War is still under the wing of politics, there is benefit, however I fail to see the "benefit" (the ones Nigerian see)

Well, when you put it that way, I wouldn't call it "benefit". Let's just say, some people are profiting financially, economically and politically from the war.

PS: I disagree with Sun Tzu, there are modern examples of nations that eventually benefitted(I mean positively) from prolonged warfare.

Odunayaw:
Meanwhile, maybe its because I have devoured books of the wars in the Southern part of Africa I am saying this.

From Top down there are near-clueless fellows running this war.
In weaponry, we are not as underarmed as Rhodesia was.
In sheer numbers and access to improvement, We're not in dire straits.
Embargoes, none. Economic crisis, none. etc etc.
I am not worried about setbacks, its only alarming how unserious everyone is in MAKING the SAME mistakes again.


"There is no instance of a nation benefitting from prolonged warfare." -- Sun Tzu.

As many as are still on the delusion that there are "people benefitting..." Come forward & make your case.
All this blame apportioning is sickening

Your last paragraph. You believe people aren't benefitting from this war?.

I actually want to know why you think that despite the very obvious realities.

bLacKGoLd3:
How is it that these SF guys aren't issued a secondary weapon such as a pistol? Should our elite forces be better funded and equipped?

I once saw a picture of the SF guys from Nigerian Airforce, Panthers, and they had what looked like a Beretta M9. Can anyone here confirm if this is standard practice?

In that line of work, if things gets so bad that you have to use a pistol, then you are as good as dead.

But I get your point, at least a side arm will add another layer of protection in case shit hits the fan.

Covert1:
Nairaland should ban this Evarn Buharist of an APC operative. He has no business been here other than to subtly promote the archaic tendencies of an inept and morally bankrupt government bent on installing the Asiwaju as Nigeria's next president as an entitlement for almost single handedly making Buhari president.

Adeosun has no business holding any command or been promoted Lt. Gen. except for being Tinubu's eyes and ears in the Armed Forces. Under his watch as Army chief of operations ISWAP/BHT ran amok and almost overwhelmed the entire 7 Division and MNJTF. Nah not only in all but name COAS while the equally now incompetent Buratai is made CDS and we start all over again from the beginning on a never ending CT/COIN war that feeds the pockets of bloated Generals that have clearly run out of ideas while the competent and professional ones are been set up for GCM or rendered redundant with non-combat deployments and irrelevant postings.

This same Evarn continues to write rubbish that does not meet the test of intellectual scrutiny blaming the failure of governance on the people rather than those vested with power to solve the problems. This Evarn calls his own compatriots drug dealers and human traffickers in foreign countries an affront on Nigerianness as if to say that's the nature of the Nigerian which is quite the opposite as most aliens know judging from the ingenuity of the average Nigerian to make ends meet against all odds. This Evarn applauded by fellow deluded fakes speaks exactly as his master Buhari who blames everyone else except himself for perverse insecurity in the land, economic stagnation, mounting local and external debt, moral bankruptcy of society where kids are now told by judicial fiat certificates are extinct by law, wealth is sacrilegious, myopicism is excellence. Who else among us will stand up against a broad daylight of mocking our humanity as it is in the religious ideological goal of taking us back to the stone age. Turkey has become this way under Erdogan an Islamist fanatic making his country a totalitarian religious state whose people has been driven into amnesia by a systemic bastardization of their senses they no longer fight for their rights or even know any longer what their rights are.

Evil persists when few good men do nothing.

I would have normally ignored your schizophrenic outbursts, however, when I saw your post riddled with barmy delusions meticulously fabricated to assassinate my character and brand me with ghastly sobriquets, I just can't help but reply.

I have nothing to do with your Tinubu delirium, if you are seeing him in your dreams,then I think you need a therapist. I don't know him, neither do I have any affiliation with him. That doesn't stop the fact that any bonafide Nigerian is eligible to contest for President. Also, anybody with a kernel of fibrous tissue between his/her ears who reads my posts will know that I do not support any political party or government, because I believe most of our current set of politicians are shitty at best.

You on the other hand,have the delinqent habit of trolling threads and promoting political bias. I have never seen you make any intelligent contribution here, all you do is chant PDP and Atiku. Nothing useful to offer, you are either reeling out bellicose war strategies that only exists without the murky confines of your deluded cranium,or you are playing the tribal card that clearly exposes you as a Nigerian jew. It is people like you who besmirch the good reputation of the Igbos.

I will always speak what I perceive to be the truth, that isn't against any spirit of "Nigerianess".

Please, stop trolling this thread,if you want to engage in a political conversation, open a thread for it.

bidex111:
Guys you have to watch these....

Drama in the Military Court Marshal, as General Otoki rejects the heads of the court marshal.


https://www.facebook.com/180168166239931/posts/383041215952624/

General Otiki in my opinion is merely dramatizing. Coming to face a judicial panel in a wheelchair and feigning illness on the cusp of a court hearing are political gimmicks that have unfortunately crept into the military.

If he feels Lt. Gen. Adeosun is a biased adjucator,then he should present facts to that effect, not turn the court room into an arena for his CoAS ambition. As it is, Adeosun is already CoAS in all but official title.

jpphilips:
Operation Tiger claw

Yes. Tiger claw was the blanket name for the series of engagements. But the bonny operation was not really part of Benjamin Adekunle's tiger claw.

durella32:
i can jog for 30kilomtres nonstop.. I have done it countless times.. maybe u can help me

Err...30kms?

Thats!...I mean it's!...that's like running a standard 400meter track 75 times!!.


Can anyone on earth even jog such a distance without rupturing some serious organs?

QuietMynd:
U have little to no idea of basic economics

Okay.