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ezeagu:
I still say there's no such thing as 'Igue festival' in Agbor. And there still isn't any evidence.

I don't know who Ikhime is.

so i guess iguefi is a liar then. cool.

There's no such thing as the 'Igue' festival in Ika, well in Agbor anyway, if there is I'd like to see proof (pictures, news stories, videos). I believe it's a lie made up on the internet by someone we know well.

6)Many festivals where indeed adopted from Benin or will I say inspired from our contacts with Benin. Thus the feasts you have mentioned while there is truism with some connections , these feasts have eveolved into what I will say are uniquely Ika feasts.It is complete rubbish to say that the Igwe festival of Owa or Agbor is identical to Benin.They are not and no two clan clans have their own Igwe feast identical.Our Igwe festival in Igbodo for instance is marked in April before the farming season while in neoghbouring Umunede just 5 miles away it marks the new yam festival in September.

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dont take my word for it. that is iguefi's post.
and my agbor foreman did say they chant iyare iyare, and i dunno if that is not edo.

I never denied there was influence from Benin, on the other hand olisa names are restricted to a part of Igbo land.

i wasnt talking about olisa, i said orisha/orisa. and well, there is that popular igbo name called orisakwe and i guess it means god-agrees.

See how you're jumping through time and pinning people together. Eri is supposed to have lived 1100-1200 years ago, Odudwa is 900 years ago I thin, and Eze Chima founded Onicha Mmili around 500 years. Unless you want to twist and contest these facts like you're twisting Eze Chima's name?

well, the dating may need to be revisted. and the reason why i pin eri on ikhime is that i just find it funny that is those areas that ikhime stepped foot on that dont have osu or where osu is not prevalent, unlike the other igbo areas where eri and ikhime had nothing to do with. so that is why i think eri is ikhime or ikhime is eri.

if they do the right things of course they will become more prosperous than their neighbor sudan

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dat is if they do the right thing. but do people always do the right thing? the morals of sudanese up north are not so different from the ones down south. so south sudanese will only continue to perpetuate whatever is happening in the north. i was watching a documentary on tv and there is already wide spread corruption going on the south and this is bound to continue. and already, there is no freedom of speech and press also the south. one of the south sudanese commentators actually complained that what they fought against the north for is already what is taking place in the new sudan. and i pray that another seperatist movement don't spring up in the south and there will be another civil war in the within the south. so i dont think south sudan is going to be developed any time soon

today south sudan is now a country, so lets see and wait how things unfold.

so u really believe south sudan is now going to progress and become fully developed into a first country leaving north sudan behind?lol that will never happen. both countries are always going to be at par with each other if they both have relative peace.

The language in itself is as diverse as the origin of the various groups that make up Igbo.

that is what i will call "diversity of ojoro", coz anything that sounds remotely igbo becomes categorized as "igbo" even though lots of "igbos" cannot understand the supposedly igbo lauguage.

Thanks Exotic for your moment of comic relief.Meet ya @ d jokes session.

lol, no sweats. i am happy can all have fun over "diversity". hahaha

Yorubas = Oduduwa

Hausa = Bayajidda

Igbo = Eri (Jew)

how could u forget that? and the jewish link is also through the same nri/eri. so where did nri come from? was he really a jew? or was he oduduwa? or was he ikhime? methinks he was ikhime and i have given reasons why in my old post.

.Nworisa,Olisaemeka,Nebolisa,Osakwe and others are common names in Imo and Anambra states.

lmao!! and u forgot to add orisakwe.

btw, where is ezeagu who asked me to swear on my "yoruba" gods, forgetting that igbos also worship the same yoruba gods.

lol, so what are u now saying? that edo people are of nri origin? plus yoruba people whose one of their deities is orisha? maybe u are the one who needs to travel and know that nri may not be of igbo-origin after all. and who knows maybe nri is actually odududwa, hahaha

Ika is more influenced by Nri than any of the groups above while their language is not even as deviated from Nri.

then how come it is the same ika that is also more influenced by bini culture than the other igbo groups in the east? so who is to say ika is more nri than edo? and if u read agbontaen essays their language is very edoid. in fact my agbor foreman told me they call oil - ofigbon which is also the edo word for oil. and he said when they celebrate igue festival, they chant iyare iyare just like edo people.

i dont care about "igbo unity" and whether they unite or not is not my problem. but u are the one who make it seem as if edo people are not diverse. only igbo can be diverse and not edo. and i have already said i have been to some eastern states and i know that a lot of them cant understand eachother. u are trying to reduce edo to only bini people and maybe esan, which is not the case. edo is also as diverse as igbo and since some of the people want to be categorized as edo, they should be allowed to do so, and the igbo categorization must not be imposed on them, thats all im saying.

im not an outsider. im part of the discussion just like everyone else.

u say u are igbo, good for u. but agbontaen says he is not igbo, good for him too.

but those who say they are igbos must not impose their beliefs and ideologies on those who say they are not. some even say they are edos and should be allowed to identify as edo.

and oh, i did have a nice day, thanx. i hope u slept well.

@igbo boy,

dat was a weak argument, because i can turn everything u said around and say becos they are binis with nri influence does not make them igbo.

if we are to believe igbos migration theory and they migrated from wherever they claimed they migrated from, is it not possible dat they are not the original occupants of the land but just migrants?

the british migrated to nigeria also, that is why even though we speak a dialect of english, we are not british. so yeah, even though they speak a dialect of what u categorize as "igbo" does not make them igbo. after all, even ur nri igbo-jewish theory also support the fact that igbos are the migrants not edos.

they are not igbos just like are not edos. those claiming they are igbos are the igbo migrants and i guess u are one of such migrants.

lol, ezeagu
so which of the yoruba gods i should swear on? orisha that onitsha was named after?

there is even ovbi-usen in edo language and that is my tribe. stop the assumptions and lies.

^stop lying coz there is ovbi-ika, there is ovbi-kwale, there is ovbi-igbanke etc etc all in edo language.

lol, this one says im stubborn, the other one says im playing dumb, all becos i won't agree to ur line of thought and "categorization".

but like i said, as biased as iguefi's long essays are, u still can't rule out that fact dat the people are both edoid and igbotic linguistically and culturally, not to even mention agbontaen's essays.

so why should they be "categorized" as igbos and not edos apart from subjective/sentimental reasons? i couldn't get any answer yet im the dumb and stubborn one. i guess i will have to wait for another one of iguefi's essays for a proper explanation coz now im bored. gudnyt.

"it is clear that both linguistically and culturally, they are both edoid and igbotic people"

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dat is a fact reading from iguefi's long arse essays not to even mention those of agbontaen's

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yeah ryt.

and i thought u were gone, i guess the door didnt open.

"----- Yet, you have consistently failed to apply that logic to Ika, why?"

well, since they have their own identities and want their own "categorization", i dont see any reason why i should group them as edo. and most importantly, i don’t see any reason why they shouldn’t have their own “category”

now, you tell me why they should be categorized as igbo when it is clear that both linguistically and culturally, they are both edoid and igbotic people. any reason you want them to be categorized as igbo apart from a subjective/sentimental one?

The person doing the categorization has little to no bearing on the actual characteristics being categorized.

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I just wanted to come in here and let you know that there's a difference between identifying and categorizing.

awwww, how gracious and generous of you eistien, but i already knew dat. and that was why i identified as usen and categorized myself as edo. if u were following like u claimed, u would have known dat.

Anyway, you can feel free to continue on with ezeagu, andre and whomever else.

aight then. and please dont hit your head on the door on your way out.

ChinenyeN:
Anyone with objectivity. For instance, anyone with objectivity knows that Ika clearly exemplifies "Igbo", linguistically (first and foremost) and culturally. They can feel any way they want to about their identity. It still will not change the fact that their language (in particular) and culture will fundamentally be categorized as "Igbo" by any person with objectivity. So, like I stated earlier, this is not about identity. It is about categorization.

"anyone” with objectivity already makes it "subjective”

and on the contrary, linguistically and culturally they are both edoid and igbotic, so that is why they are unique and different from both groups.  the ika word itself is of edo-origin and not of igbo-origin. so who is to say they are to be categorized as igbo and not edo? you?

ChinenyeN:
No. That is fact. Categorization is an objective exercise, not a subjective/sentimental one.

and who does the "categorization"?

When it comes to categorization, 'want' is irrelevant.

and that is ur personal opinion.

i guess ezeagu is now going to tell me oduduwa was nri cos some igbos also believe nri came from heaven, hahahahaha

ChinenyeN:
I'm just saying, maybe you simply need to learn to shut up and listen. This isn't about the identity, but about the categorization of people.
If you don't get that, then you simply just do not get the picture.

well, maybe u are the one who needs to listen and shut up because it is clear a lot of the people dont want to be categorized as igbo.

^ huh?

who cares who oduduwa was and please do move on to ewuare after all it was after the reign of the same ewuare that anioma lands were conquered.

ChinenyeN:
Exotik isn't getting the picture.

no, u are the one not getting the picture. the picture is clear from where im standing.

hahahahahahaha, u are the stuppid one nzonigga, and i don't care how the ijebus choose to identify themselves. if by tomorrow, they say they are not yorubas, wetin concern me. but as of today, a lot of ika people don't want to be called igbos, ozuo.

vicenzo:
Many igbo groups trace their ancestry outside igboland,there are some igbos who does not know the meaning of their surnames,what makes you igbo is not where you came from,rather its the language you speak as a first language,what unite all igbo groups is the igbo language,(which all of us speak a dialect of),and not where we came from.

and the language they speak is not igbo language, they speak ika language.

lmao!so if he traces his origin to edo wouldn't that make him edo? his ancestry leads him to edo state and not imo state so his is more edo than igbo, that why he is ika!

@vicenzo, so he has an edoid name and has an ika name does not make him igbo. if anything he should be edo coz it is his surname and not first name that is edoid